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Friday, June 08, 2018

A Process for Capturing CO2 from the Atmosphere

Highlights
Detailed engineering and cost analysis for a 1 Mt-CO2/year direct air capture

plant Levelized costs of $94 to $232 per ton CO2 from the atmosphere First DAC

paper with commercial engineering cost breakdown Full mass and energy balance with pilot plant data for each unit operation

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Pretty fascinating stuff.

Assuming this technology actually works, I am guessing that liberals and progressives are 100% on board with this?

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:25 PM | Reply

--Assuming this technology actually works, I am guessing that liberals and progressives are 100% on board with this?

Hahahaha. That would deprive them of an excuse to enlarge the state and nationalize the economy.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 NW

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Where's the link???

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-08 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hmmm....

Let's try it here:

www.cell.com(18)30225-3

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:42 PM | Reply

Dang it. That doesn't work either.

Laura - it's linked in the first sentence of this piece:

thefederalist.com

Click the link at that site and it will take you to the primary source.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:44 PM | Reply

What garbage.

If We're Lucky, This Innovation Will Nuke Climate Change Scaremongering

Seriously Jeff??? and from the garbage site The Federalist of all places.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-08 03:53 PM | Reply

You can use tinyurl when the link contains characters that the DR barfs on.

You can also count on Nulli to barf on liberals every chance he gets. I'm no doctor, but it may be an acute case of Hillary Induced Political Bulimia. If someone can cure him they might get a Nobel Prize, just like B. Hussein Obama, but then he wouldn't have any reason to live, so the cure is probably worse than the disease.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 03:54 PM | Reply

Seriously Jeff??? and from the garbage site The Federalist of all places.
#7 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I linked to that site because it properly linked to the primary source, which is what I told you. You didn't have to read beyond the first sentence to get a proper link to the site I was trying to source.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:55 PM | Reply

Not even all of the first sentence (the part in bold is the link):

A team of scientists at Harvard University and a company called Carbon Engineering announced this week that they've figured out...

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 03:56 PM | Reply

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-- the garbage site The Federalist of all places.

The slaughter-the-source ad hominem is a big favorite here.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If We're Lucky, This Innovation Will Nuke Climate Change Scaremongering"

LOL.

I love the way their concern is fear mongering, as though it's not the case that the planet is becoming less and less habitable for more and more people.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 03:57 PM | Reply

Can we not comment on The Federalist?

The only reason I linked that site was because it provided a clean link to the site I was trying to source.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 04:00 PM | Reply

The slaughter-the-source ad hominem is a big favorite here.

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It's a constant.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 04:01 PM | Reply

www.technologyreview.com

Most experts are skeptical. (See "What Carbon Capture Can't Do.") A 2011 report by the American Physical Society identified key physical and economic challenges. The fact that carbon dioxide will bind with amines, forming a molecule called a carbamate, is well known chemistry. But carbon dioxide still represents only one in 2,500 molecules in the air. That means an effective air-capture machine would need to push vast amounts of air past amines to get enough carbon dioxide to stick to them and then regenerate the amines to capture more. That would require a lot of energy and thus be very expensive, the 2011 report said. That's why it concluded that air capture "is not currently an economically viable approach to mitigating climate change."

False hope

None of the world's thousands of coal plants have been outfitted for full-scale capture of their carbon pollution. And if it isn't economical for use in power plants, with their concentrated source of carbon dioxide, the prospects of capturing it out of the air seem dim to many experts. "There's really little chance that you could capture CO2 from ambient air more cheaply than from a coal plant, where the flue gas is 300 times more concentrated," says Robert Socolow, director of the Princeton Environment Institute and co-director of the university's carbon mitigation initiative.

Adding to the skepticism over the feasibility of air capture is that there are other, cheaper ways to create the so-called negative emissions. A more practical way to do it, Schrag says, would involve deriving fuels from biomass -- which removes CO2 from the atmosphere as it grows. As that feedstock is fermented in a reactor to create ethanol, it produces a stream of pure carbon dioxide that can be captured and stored underground. It's a proven technique and has been tested at a handful of sites worldwide.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-08 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trees?

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-06-08 04:03 PM | Reply

"Why aren't liberals like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi celebrating the fact that fewer Americans are driving this summer"

Good Grief

an ------- author writing for an ------- audience

No Shame

#17 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-06-08 04:05 PM | Reply

Whatabout Schumer?
Whatabout Pelosi?

What a rag the National Review is.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 04:08 PM | Reply

Whoops, make that, what a rag The Federalist is.

I apologize for being confused by the fact that all right wing rags tend to look the same afer a while.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 04:10 PM | Reply

Hahahaha. That would deprive them of an excuse to enlarge the state and nationalize the economy.

Not everyone is so bitter and miserable that they'd rather see something horrible happen just to say I told you so.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-08 04:10 PM | Reply

Laura,

Your piece is dated 2014. My hope is that what I've linked, being far more current, is the real deal.

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 04:11 PM | Reply

"Trees?"

^
That was my first thought as well.
Next up, let's ban dihydrogen monoxide!

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 04:13 PM | Reply


Another link:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 04:15 PM | Reply


And another...

www.bbc.com

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 04:16 PM | Reply


And yet another... :)

www.newsweek.com

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 04:17 PM | Reply

I think it's really cool that the captured hydrocarbons are converted into a liquid fuel. That's like a double-whammy.

Exciting stuff, if it's legit.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 04:19 PM | Reply

only in dingdong "conservative" world do "might" and "could" equate to a real workable solution
and get this, the assumed cost only has a 40% cost variable per ton.

GD "conservatives" are gullible fools!

#27 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-06-08 04:20 PM | Reply

Plant trees LOTS of them.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-08 04:26 PM | Reply

First this:

The slaughter-the-source ad hominem is a big favorite here.

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 03:57 PM

Then this:

Whatabout Schumer?
Whatabout Pelosi?
What a rag the National Review is.

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-06-08 04:08 PM | FLAG:

Whoops, make that, what a rag The Federalist is.
I apologize for being confused by the fact that all right wing rags tend to look the same afer a while.

#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-06-08 04:10 PM

That is about as DRtarded as it comes.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 04:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#26 ... Exciting stuff, if it's legit. ...

The BBC article seems to have a good overview of what has been accomplished so far.

In that article, it is billed as a major step forward, with peer-reviewed studies in its favor.

...A Canadian company, backed by Bill Gates, says it has reached an important threshold in developing technology that can remove CO2 from the air.

Carbon Engineering has published a peer-reviewed study showing that they can capture carbon for under $100 a tonne.

This would be a major advance on the current price of around $600 per tonne....


I agree, it would be quite good should it continue to progress.

#30 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 04:45 PM | Reply

"That is about as DRtarded as it comes."

It's an appropriate, in-kind to asking why aren't Democrats happy about higher gas prices.

Thanks for reading and understanding.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 04:50 PM | Reply

--Not everyone is so bitter and miserable that they'd rather see something horrible happen just to say I told you so.

#20 | Posted by jpw

What are you blabbering about, moron? I'm happy and optimistic about technological solutions. It's progressives that want something horrible to happen to justify their march to socialism.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 05:01 PM | Reply

#32

You are a lazy parasite counting on technology to solve systemic problems to which you unthinkingly contribute and the existence of which you shrilly deny.

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 05:28 PM | Reply

Conservatives believe in one renewable resource anyway...

www.cartoonistgroup.com

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 05:32 PM | Reply

Conservatives believe in one renewable resource anyway...
www.cartoonistgroup.com
#34 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Meh. That cartoon was sort of clever. I was hoping it would be hilarious.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 05:35 PM | Reply

#33

If this technology is legit I don't see how it's anything other than a good thing.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 05:36 PM | Reply

You are a lazy parasite counting on technology to solve systemic problems to which you unthinkingly contribute and the existence of which you shrilly deny.

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan

You're a stalinist that wants to leverage castrophic global warming for your authoritarian goals.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 05:38 PM | Reply

JeffJ do you know what chasing the dragon's tail is?

Here, it means relying on technology to solve the problems created by technology in the first place.

What if we just... stopped... growth. Why would that be bad? "Because the prevailing economic paradigm says so" is not a valid answer.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 05:40 PM | Reply

"You're a stalinist that wants to leverage castrophic global warming for your authoritarian goals."

Nulli, what do you want to leverage catastrophic global warming for?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 05:42 PM | Reply

You are a lazy parasite counting on technology to solve systemic problems to which you unthinkingly contribute and the existence of which you shrilly deny.
#33 | Posted by DirkStruan
You're a stalinist that wants to leverage castrophic global warming for your authoritarian goals.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 05:38

I'm a Capricorn.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 05:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"counting on technology to solve systemic problems"

How else do you think it's going to happen?

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What if we just... stopped... growth. Why would that be bad?

Because I've witnessed what very slow growth does to an economy. No growth at all? We'd have to drastically cut government spending (including and especially entitlements) if we were to have no growth. Otherwise the government would eventually control the entire economy and we'd be Venezuela.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 05:58 PM | Reply

How else do you think it's going to happen?

#41 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-06-08 05:50 PM | FLAG:

Systemic change.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 05:59 PM | Reply

You're a stalinist that wants to leverage castrophic global warming for your authoritarian goals.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 05:38 PM | FLAG:

Leftists are the ones trying to stop catastrophic global warming, moron.

#44 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:00 PM | Reply

Leftists are the ones trying to stop catastrophic global warming, moron.

#44 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Which is precisely why I would think you'd be excited about this potential new breakthrough.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-08 06:03 PM | Reply

--Leftists are the ones trying to stop catastrophic global warming, moron.

Bonus points for not using that meaningless euphemism, "climate change."

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 06:04 PM | Reply

Bonus points for not using that meaningless euphemism, "climate change."

#46 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 06:04 PM | FLAG:

Whatever it takes to buttress your ongoing denial of reality, eh basement dweller?

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:07 PM | Reply

Systemic change?

That's about a broad weak answer as anybody could come
Up with. You might as well of said "teamwork"

Let me save you the suspense. Technology will be an enormous factor with whatever solutions regarding global warming that get I
Implemented.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:19 PM | Reply

""counting on technology to solve systemic problems"
How else do you think it's going to happen?"

Eberly, take a step back and see it for what it is.

What caused the problem?
Technology.

What's going to solve the problem:
More Technology!

Let me put it in terms your dog can understand:
"It makes its own gravy!"

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:22 PM | Reply

"Bonus points for not using that meaningless euphemism, "climate change."

"euphemism."
So anthropogenic global warming really is happening then?
Inquiring minds want to know!

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:24 PM | Reply

"Technology will be an enormous factor with whatever solutions regarding global warming that get Implemented."

Implicitly, you're counting on this as of yet unknown technology being more enormous a factor than the technologies (fossil fuels, concrete) by which mankind continues to go about about de-sequestering CO2 in the first place.

And you don't foresee any downside, sort of like the fossil fuel industry spends money to get people like JeffJ to think there's no downside to fossil fuel use in the first place. Except you do it for free.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:28 PM | Reply

Snoofy, your argument is with Boydstraun, who dismissed technology.

I didn't dismiss systemic change. It's just a stupid answer by itself.

But Boyd wants to sniff Nulli's ass so stay out of the way.

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:29 PM | Reply

"Snoofy, your argument is with Boydstraun, who dismissed technology."

I'm not arguing. I'm teaching.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Implicitly, you're counting on this as of yet unknown technology being more enormous a factor than the technologies (fossil fuels, concrete) by which mankind continues to go about about de-sequestering CO2 in the first place."

Besides technology, what the hell else can you count on?

Nobody has committed to making real change anyway.

Technology will be the main ingredient in what saves us or we're doomed

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:32 PM | Reply

I just spit my beer out for 53

Wow

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm teaching.

#53 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-06-08

That is the most absurd statement you have ever made, and that's saying something.

WOW

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 06:33 PM | Reply

"I didn't dismiss systemic change. It's just a stupid answer by itself."

And I don't dismiss technology.
I DO caution against it becoming an excuse to not pursue systemic change where it is necessary. Sorry that basic layer of nuance escaped your feeble capacity for understanding.

#57 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:33 PM | Reply

55 and 56

Yeah, I know it is a big step up from what you simpletons are used to.

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:34 PM | Reply

Sorry that basic layer of nuance escaped your feeble capacity for understanding.

Looks like Boyduhh has been playing with his thesaurus again.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 06:35 PM | Reply

LMAO, I think Boyduhh and Goofy need to go get a room and "teach" each other.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 06:38 PM | Reply

"I just spit my beer out for 53"

Thanks!
A little bit of alcohol helps people let down their defenses, if you're picking up what I'm putting down.
The Myth Of Progress
en.wikipedia.org

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:45 PM | Reply

#59

You should get your money back for whatever crackerjack box you fished your education out of, cretin. Seriously, how did your brain learn human speech?

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:46 PM | Reply

"Nobody has committed to making real change anyway. "

People who drive a Prius or a Tesla are moving the needle as much as the can, don't you think?
Then there's all those nations that collectively hit their Kyoto goals.
Maybe you ought to define what's a real commitment, before you take a dump on it?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:47 PM | Reply

"Seriously, how did your brain learn human speech?"

A dog's brain can learn human speech, so, that's not really saying much.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:47 PM | Reply

Woe to him who teaches men faster than they can learn.

--Will Durant

#65 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-06-08 06:50 PM | Reply

#62

Awww, it looks like Boyduhh's fweewings are hurt...maybe you and Goofy can exchange some rape jokes so that you feel better.

#66 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 06:50 PM | Reply

#66

Says the guy who dive bombed the thread to gripe. Get off your high hobby horse before you hurt yourself. As for rape jokes, all you demonstrate with that accusation is your own ignorance of the concept of consent. I'd warn you against getting into a romantic relationship for fear of the danger you might pose to others, but somehow I think, in your case, the warning isn't necessary.

Now, since discourse obviously isn't your speed, might I recommend you try something simpler, like picking the lice out of your hair.

#67 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 06:56 PM | Reply

"Besides technology, what the hell else can you count on?"

Here's another way of looking at it:
You are caught in a technology trap, and you've developed Stockholm Syndrome for technology as a result.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 06:56 PM | Reply

Boyd, how does Nulli's -------- taste?

#69 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--People who drive a Prius or a Tesla are moving the needle as much as the can, don't you think?

lol. Yeah, a bunch of middle class progressives driving virtue-mobiles are going to save the planet.

#70 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 06:58 PM | Reply

63

As I said, nobody's doing ----. Technology will save us or we are doomed

#71 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 06:59 PM | Reply

"Because I've witnessed what very slow growth does to an economy."

Have you witnessed what growth does to things that aren't the economy?
Holocene Extinction, for example, do you know what that is?
en.wikipedia.org

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:00 PM | Reply

"As I said, nobody's doing ----"

Is meeting Kyoto targets doing ----?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:01 PM | Reply

"Yeah, a bunch of middle class progressives driving virtue-mobiles are going to save the planet."

Okay, if that's not going to "save the planet," then what is?

You have no answers. Only ---- to fling on others.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:02 PM | Reply

As for rape jokes, all you demonstrate with that accusation is your own ignorance of the concept of consent.

LOL, as if dehumanizing a struggling woman while choking her somehow implies "consent." Pardon me while I pull a "Hans":

"yet sees nothing wrong with Snoofy "dehumanizing" my mother, who "struggled" while he "choked" her."
Apparently you are a stranger to consensual sex.
#337 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-05-30 11:52 PM

"yet sees nothing wrong with Snoofy "dehumanizing" my mother, who "struggled" while he "choked" her."
He never so much as suggests non-consent.
#338 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2018-05-30 11:59 PM

You guys have a sick view of "consent."

Get help.

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-08 07:02 PM | Reply

You clearly need to--------.
Get help.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:04 PM | Reply

"LOL, as if dehumanizing a struggling woman while choking her somehow implies "consent." "

Those activities absolutely can occur in a consensual context, but then, you don't really understand consent or
Care to even try (which basically makes you a sexual predator waiting to happen).

#77 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 07:12 PM | Reply

#71

Or we could actually do something instead of relying on technology.

#78 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 07:13 PM | Reply

lol. Yeah, a bunch of middle class progressives driving virtue-mobiles are going to save the planet.

#70 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 06:58 PM | FLAG:

They are doing a hell of a lot more than you are, you vice promoting neck-beard.

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 07:14 PM | Reply

Boyd, how does Nulli's -------- taste?

#69 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-06-08 06:57 PM | FLAG:

Everyone knows his balls are rolling around the bottom of an odds and ends drawer at RNC HQ... right next to yours.

#80 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 07:16 PM | Reply

"Or we could actually do something instead of relying on technology."

Except that we won't. We are coming remotely close to cutting back on our emissions enough to change the trend.

Is our old friend Zat would say "it's been too late for decades"

And he understood this problem better than any 20 of us added together

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 07:22 PM | Reply

--you vice promoting neck-beard.

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan

TFF, Dirkanovich.

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 07:25 PM | Reply

"Is our old friend Zat would say "it's been too late for decades"

Oh, so there is a problem then.
Explain it to RightOCenter and Nulli if you don't mind.

And... Happy Extinction!

#83 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:25 PM | Reply

School shootings: "Nothing Can Be Done."
Global Warming: "Nothing Can Be Done."

Which is strange, because normally the way the right-wing goes about fixing problems is lowering taxes on the rich.

#84 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-08 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

TFF, Dirkanovich.

#82 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-08 07:25 PM | FLAG:

No, what's TFF is using a Russianification of my screen name as an insult while supporting the Putin puppet president.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-06-08 08:20 PM | Reply

If We're Lucky, This Innovation Will Nuke Climate Change Scaremongering

I know this was posted for the link to the paper, but the headline was too funny for me to ignore.

If it's just scaremongering, then why would we be lucky if it succeeds?

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 12:40 AM | Reply

Plant trees LOTS of them.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr

Do all of it.

Planting trees is slow but best because of increased greenery, soil retention ect.

This sort of tech won't have as broad an environmental impact but everything helps.

Especially when you consider we're putting 40 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (in 2014).

www.slate.com

Even with all of that, decreased fossil fuel use is likely required.

#87 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 12:46 AM | Reply

Is meeting Kyoto targets doing ----?

#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Absolutely yes. Kyoto doesn't accomplish squat.

#87 | POSTED BY JPW

Finally a sane liberal weighs in and it only took 87 posts for us to get there.

#88 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-09 09:32 AM | Reply

Finally a sane liberal weighs in and it only took 87 posts for us to get there.

#88 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Wait, I thought I was irrational?

Or am I irrationally sane?

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 12:00 PM | Reply

You're definitely sane. You are rational most of the time.

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-09 01:54 PM | Reply

"Absolutely yes. Kyoto doesn't accomplish squat."

I doubt you can explain why meeting Kyoto targets doesn't accomplish anything.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 02:16 PM | Reply

Damn, and all the time I thought plants take in co2 and expel o2.

#92 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-09 05:37 PM | Reply

Damn, and all the time I thought...
#92 | POSTED BY SNIPER

All evidence to the contrary.

#93 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-06-09 05:50 PM | Reply

Damn, and all the time I thought plants take in co2 and expel o2.

#92 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Yeah, thank God for clear cutting of forests and the rain forests, right? Because that's probably not playing a role at all...

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 05:59 PM | Reply

I doubt you can explain why meeting Kyoto targets doesn't accomplish anything.

#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY A

I already have, on countless occasions.

And it pisses you off because you support something that doesn't accomplish anything other than you being able to virtue-signal.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-09 07:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I doubt you can explain why meeting Kyoto targets doesn't accomplish anything.
#91 | POSTED BY SNOOFY A

I already have, on countless occasions."

LOL.

Do it again then.

You didn't know how much CO2 was from humans.... but you know Kyoto achieves nothing.

Stay in school, kids!

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 09:21 PM | Reply

This is process.
The wing dings have acknowledged that lowering ACO2 is a good thing.
But only if it makes proggies mad.

#97 | Posted by bored at 2018-06-10 11:54 AM | Reply

Progress.

#98 | Posted by bored at 2018-06-10 11:54 AM | Reply

How about a self replicating, self maintaining, organic and energy free carbon capture mechanism. It's called a tree. Stupid is as stupid does.

#99 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-10 01:23 PM | Reply

"It's called a tree."
ronnie05.wordpress.com

"Stupid is as stupid does."
Happy Extinction!

#100 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-10 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

arstechnica.com

Accidentally posted this on the wrong thread.

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-11 12:54 AM | Reply

#100 | Posted by snoofy, So smarty, what do you know about trees? A 20' tree captures about four tons of CO2 every year. Some much more. They require no maintenance, makes more of it's own kind. Improves the soil, provides food, and purifies the air. Compare that with a factory. Stupid is as stupid does.

#102 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-11 06:46 AM | Reply

A 20' tree captures about four tons of CO2 every year. Some much more.

Which is why large scale deforestation is partly to blame for increasing CO2 levels.

#103 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-06-11 06:56 AM | Reply

#102 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

How long does it take for a tree to reach that capacity?

Planting trees is the preferred solution but is the long term solution.

Stupid would be not utilizing this tech if it pans out. Even dumber would be not using this tech and planting new trees at the same time.

#104 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-11 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All this sounds too much like ethanol production, a scheme that did not save a drop of oil and screws up our cars. How much per ton of CO2?

#105 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-06-11 11:30 AM | Reply

Stupid would be not utilizing this tech if it pans out. Even dumber would be not using this tech and planting new trees at the same time.

#104 | POSTED BY JPW

It's a shame that I have to call this out as common sense and give out a NW for something that should just be obvious.

#106 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-11 02:51 PM | Reply

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