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David Brooks: Wokeness puts more emphasis on how you perceive a situation -- how woke you are to what is wrong -- than what exactly you plan to do about it. To be woke is to understand the full injustice. There is no measure or moderation to wokeness. It's always good to be more woke. It's always good to see injustice in maximalist terms. To point to any mitigating factors in the environment is to be naïve, childish, a co-opted part of the status quo. These days we think of wokeness as a left-wing phenomenon. But it is an iron law of politics that every mental habit conservatives fault in liberals is one they also practice themselves.

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The modern right has its own trigger words (diversity, dialogue, social justice, community organizer), its own safe spaces (Fox News) and its own wokeness. Michael Anton's essay The Flight 93 Election is only one example of the common apocalyptic view: Modern liberals are hate-filled nihilists who will destroy the nation if given power. Anybody who doesn't understand this reality is not conservatively woke.

The problem with wokeness is that it doesn't inspire action; it freezes it. To be woke is first and foremost to put yourself on display. To make a problem seem massively intractable is to inspire separation -- building a wall between you and the problem -- not a solution.

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I have a friend who indignation is basically binary. Either he is OK with something, or he is full-out yelling about how bad it is. There is no middle ground, no spectrum of reaction, just zero-to-100 in a couple of seconds.

The mere mention of fmr Pres Obama brings on the full-tilt reaction. His face turns red, his voice gets louder. He starts yelling before he even starts thinking. I also know someone who reacts similarly to the mention of Pres Trump.

It takes a while before I can calm him down and we can talk about fishing (or whatever).

From the cited article:

...The greatest danger of extreme wokeness is that it makes it harder to practice the necessary skill of public life, the ability to see two contradictory truths at the same time....

Yup.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Man, this describes a lot of angry people on this site.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-08 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

@#2

Yup.

It also describes the "us against them" tribalism we have descended into.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem with whiteness?

#4 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-06-08 12:04 PM | Reply

--Michael Anton's essay "The Flight 93 Election" is only one example of the common apocalyptic view

David Brooks in his usual fence-straddling self. I've read "Flight 93". Brooks is full of crap.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-08 12:18 PM | Reply

If you aren't angry you aren't paying attention.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-08 12:38 PM | Reply


@#5 ... David Brooks in his usual fence-straddling self. ...

I enjoy reading his op-eds and essays because he is able to hold and discuss multiple conflicting thoughts, and clearly present how they interact. You seem to call that "fence-straddling."

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 03:04 PM | Reply

Alright someone explain this WOKE crap??? I seriously don't get it.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-08 03:06 PM | Reply

@#8

www.urbandictionary.com

...Although an incorrect tense of awake, a reference to how people should be aware in current affairs.
"While you are obessing with the Kardashians, there are millions of homeless in the world. STAY WOKE"...

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-06-08 03:16 PM | Reply

Not Woke enough yet, Ms. Mohr.

#10 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-06-08 03:16 PM | Reply

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Alright someone explain this WOKE crap??? I seriously don't get it.

#8 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Just another way for the pretentious SJWs to label themselves as superior.

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

David Brooks has as much chance to understand what "woke" means as a monkey does to learn French.

People are angry because of what's happening in this country.

People telling others not to be so angry are usually living in a bubble where few of society's problems have any effect on them.

#12 | Posted by rcade at 2018-06-09 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 12

People are angry because of what's happening in this country.

People telling others not to be so angry are usually living in a bubble where few of society's problems have any effect on them.

#12 | POSTED BY RCADE

Thank you!

#13 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-06-09 01:24 PM | Reply

Apparently, being woke means being automatically accused of being an evil, "SJW!"... as if being aware of societal problems is now a bad thing and seeking justice for them is a worse thing.

It seems to go along with the whole rwing alt facts, fake news, perception over reality thingy. Maybe like a desperate hope that if we ignore social injustice, it won't be a problem, it'll just go away along with the people who recognize it. Kind of an ostrich approach.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-09 02:09 PM | Reply

"Just another way for the pretentious SJWs to label themselves as superior."

vs

"These days we think of wokeness as a left-wing phenomenon. But it is an iron law of politics that every mental habit conservatives fault in liberals is one they also practice themselves."

LOL

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It seems to go along with the whole rwing alt facts, fake news, perception over reality thingy. Maybe like a desperate hope that if we ignore social injustice, it won't be a problem, it'll just go away along with the people who recognize it. Kind of an ostrich approach.
#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

Right. Because I'm such a rabid, raving right winger...sure.

And yes, if you feel the need to self-label in order to set yourself apart you qualify as an SJW.

I see it as being akin to making a show of praying in public. The intentions are usually good but the execution is too showboaty.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 02:49 PM | Reply

I'm still trying to figure out why they call it 'woke'. i don't need the sentiment to be explained but it's tiresome to hear our language disrespected. but..if you're not willing to pick up the tab to educate them. imho

#17 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-09 02:54 PM | Reply

David Brooks has as much chance to understand what "woke" means as a monkey does to learn French.

I thought the column was spot on.

And your post a perfect example of why "woke" people tend to be counter-productive to their causes-virtue signaling how "woke" they are usually means an inherent condescension towards those who are viewed as "unwoke", even when the "woke" person lives in the very same bubble with the same accompanying lack of experiences.

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 02:55 PM | Reply

I'm still trying to figure out why they call it 'woke'.

The linked piece describes it in conceptual terms independent of political persuasion.

More often than not it's used to indicate one is aware of social injustices.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 02:56 PM | Reply

- Right. Because I'm such a rabid, raving right winger.

Whatever you say.

- too showboaty.

Wow. That's terrible. So, one should pretty much keep one's observations of and possible solutions to social problems to themselves? Just STFU? Why is that?

Here's something that sounds similar to....

www.drudge.com

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-09 02:59 PM | Reply

David Brooks is a hack. There, I've said it. His comments several weeks ago on the Shields and Brooks discussion segment of the News Hour that we should mitigate our dislike of Trump by reminding ourselves of the good things he has done caused my bowels to move. All his intense cerebral prattle is not worth the spittle it's made from.

#21 | Posted by paltroon1 at 2018-06-09 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

JPW is woke to who's using woke!

I see woke as a kid's term, practically the opposite of "basic." If it's associated with the left, it's only because more kids are left. I've seen it used in various political contexts, and definitely by Hillary haterz and gun advocates.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 03:05 PM | Reply

Wow. That's terrible. So, one should pretty much keep one's observations of and possible solutions to social problems to themselves? Just STFU? Why is that?

So the only two options are virtue signal or nothing? Pray in a public show or nothing?

Stop being butthurt. If you have to distort my argument to make yours you already lost.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 03:06 PM | Reply

Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtue -- especially piety among the religious. Wiki

Well, Allah forbid we should ever express our moral values in the face of social problems. You will find that Jesus' problem with praying in public was not the prayer or doing it in public but doing it to show off. Of course, he was prolly a little better at assigning motivations than some people who say that anytime one protests based on moral values they are motivated by their own selfishness and not really concerned about the problems.

Wow.... look at this self-concerned SJW... he should just STFU!

www.youtube.com

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-09 03:23 PM | Reply

"So the only two options are virtue signal or nothing? Pray in a public show or nothing?"

^
I can't tell if this comment is woke or not. Someone help me out.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 03:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well, Allah forbid we should ever express our moral values in the face of social problems. You will find that Jesus' problem with praying in public was not the prayer or doing it in public but doing it to show off. Of course, he was prolly a little better at assigning motivations than some people who say that anytime one protests based on moral values they are motivated by their own selfishness and not really concerned about the problems.

Giving yourself a label as pretentious as "woke" is a show.

And again, if you have to misrepresent my argument to make yours you already lost.

Wow.... look at this self-concerned SJW... he should just STFU!

Nice strawman. Need help knocking it down?

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-09 03:33 PM | Reply

Not a strawman, an actual old time warrior for social and racial justice.... and a showboat to boot.

- pretentious

Some people are actually good at talking about social injustices.... pretension so often being in the eye of the beholder. And so often a prejudiced, defensive view.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-09 04:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"In fact, wokeness puts more emphasis on how you perceive a situation -- how woke you are to what is wrong -- than what exactly you plan to do about it. "

Blaming the poor for being poor because of the bad choices the made does the exact same thing.
And it's a staple of the right-wing diet.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 04:32 PM | Reply

--People telling others not to be so angry are usually living in a bubble where few of society's problems have any effect on them.

Exactly, which is why the residents of the bi-coastal blue bubble were so stunned at Hillary's loss. They had no idea of the anger of people who don't live in their politically correct enclaves.

www.bing.com

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-09 09:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#29

Had some of that tea? I was hoping you could answer a few things for me.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-09 09:11 PM | Reply

#29

The angry people of the United States are now angry about something else.

You have your own bubble.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-09 09:13 PM | Reply

"Exactly, which is why the residents of the bi-coastal blue bubble were so stunned at Hillary's loss.

^
Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 09:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They had no idea of the anger of people who don't live in their politically correct enclaves."

They cling to religion and guns.
It's... not exactly a secret.

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-09 09:17 PM | Reply

Was Nullifidian mugged by a hippie?

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2018-06-09 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#19 | POSTED BY JPW

Wanta' Toke
I'm Broke
Whata' Joke
Let It Soak
$5 For A Poke?
Still I Say
Why 'Woke'?

#35 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-09 09:34 PM | Reply

- mugged by a hippie?

Dropped on his head as a child by Eleanor Roosevelt.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-09 10:49 PM | Reply

"They had no idea of the anger of people who don't live in their politically correct enclaves."

They hold all of the power in our elected branches and have been stacking the judiciary with partisans.

Their television network is number 1.they hold the most lucrative shows on radio and have churches buying their 4th private plane.

They have Koch and Renaissance and Theil and Cambridge Analytica and Russia and every branch of law enforcement.

They March and shout.

They have been telling us everything. Shouting it on our faces.

It's all just hate and ignorance.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-10 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mic Drop.

#38 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-06-10 09:10 AM | Reply

"These days we think of wokeness as a left-wing phenomenon. But it is an iron law of politics that every mental habit conservatives fault in liberals is one they also practice themselves."

Little help please? I've never heard of Brooks but have heard of wokeness, which is a word I've viewed as similar to enlightenment. After reading this article, it appears my idea of the definition of 'wokeness' is lacking. Or, possibly, I didn't comprehend the article very well as I found parts of it not explained very well. I suppose the easiest question to ask would be, do the terms 'awoke' or 'wokeness' imply that it is only people of a certain political ideology (republicans) who need to be awoke? Or is the article simply trying to broaden and explain the definition for people?

#39 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 06:02 PM | Reply

More often than not it's used to indicate one is aware of social injustices.

#19

That's how I've considered it, JPW. I use the word enlightened, not how we may normally think of it in a Buddhist context, but as in a growing sense of awareness towards wrongs in America & the depth of those injustices, followed by a form of action to affect change.

#40 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 06:10 PM | Reply

People who claim to be or think they're enlightened (or woke or whatever they want to call it) are usually anything but.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-06-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Apologies. Re-read the article, crazy how that so often helps clarify.

It appears Brooks is saying there are plenty of people, of both part affiliations, who need to be awoke. If I'm correct in this understanding, I most definitely agree with it. I also believe it is beginning to occur exponentially, and I base that on the several conversations a week I have with people I've never met or may have known briefly.

The few who know me well enough, whom I met 5 years ago upon relocating, still think I'm a trip because I will, literally, strike up a conversation with anyone I may come into contact with in public & social situations. The topics will range from general chat to the Metaphysical & in between, and with people from 21 to 71. I try not to steer any of them, tho I realize I must steer some, even if subconsciously.

The thing is, especially as of late, more people are talking about the, almost desperate, need for positive change in America, and changed in peaceful & collective ways, which vary in nature slightly, but are viewed as the only way achieve these changes. It always comes back to us creating the changes & the fact that no government can or will. And, when these topics do come up, the percentage of people saying nearly the same things, has noticeably increased just over the past 3-6 months.

Obviously, this is only my personal experiences, but I have to believe they are taking place all over with many others. Something's going on, and use any definition of crazy you care to, if so chosen, to describe me based on what I just said.

#42 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 06:53 PM | Reply

"I've never heard of Brooks but have heard of wokeness"

Looks like you stumbled into the wrong blog, son.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-10 07:48 PM | Reply

#43

Care to expand on that comment? It does leave all kinds of room for interpretation.

#44 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 08:16 PM | Reply

Oh, and please don't call me son.

#45 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 08:18 PM | Reply

.................9MMHEATER..................

First, switch from crystal meth to herb.

" I base that on the several conversations a week I have with people I've never met", i would suggest that those aren't conversations...they're symptoms

"Something's going on, and use any definition of crazy you care to, if so chosen, to describe me based on what I just said."
Is this a dare?

#46 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-10 09:58 PM | Reply

#46

Hard to make that switch when the Meth has never been a part of the equation.

And I don't make dares. If your comments were intended as jokes, they are funny tho.

If not, you may be like the friends I mentioned. Some people just aren't comfortable engaging with a stranger, or have a desire to, or any other number of reasons. I believe as more do begin, constructively & diplomatically, interacting with others the sooner we actually start seeing some actual unity. And not the BS unity we've heard every president call for.

Once again I'll state the obvious. The true unity of American citizens is the very last thing either party ever wants to see.

#47 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 10:23 PM | Reply

"The true unity of American citizens is the very last thing either party ever wants to see."

Really depends on what they're united behind.

If Americans united around abolishing the minimum wage, the GOP wouldn't mind at all, and the Democrats would quietly not make an issue of it.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-10 10:28 PM | Reply

#48

Apparently I din't state the obvious.

#49 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 10:29 PM | Reply

- the Democrats would quietly not make an issue of it.

C'mon, man. You don't s'riously mean that. They are bad enough with people crying wolf! where none exists.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-10 10:36 PM | Reply

Once again I'll state the obvious. The true unity of American citizens is the very last thing either party ever wants to see.
.............................................#47 | POSTED BY 9MMHEATER

The fact of the matter is that the top 1% rightfully see as their prime directive, to cause socio-economic strife among the masses.
the reason labor unions are vilified....except for the police union. divide and conquer is as old as mankind and it continues to be an effective tool because the vast majority of people are to scared, dumb or invested in this system to bring about meaningful change in ways other than just incremental.

#51 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-10 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- the Democrats would quietly not make an issue of it.

Okay. Do you realize, if your statement is true, then you just gave my statement more credibility?

Thanks, Corky for that C/P, as I had forgotten it was the most relevant part I was to comment on! Getting older sux.

#52 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 11:15 PM | Reply

#51

Thank you, Ablock, for putting into words what I've done a poor job of on this topic.

#53 | Posted by 9mmHeater at 2018-06-10 11:17 PM | Reply

I hate being woke sometimes. I think I was a happy man prior to 2008. There is

some truth to the whole ignorance is bliss thing.

#54 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-06-11 08:41 AM | Reply

"woke" is just an ironic euphemism for "enlightened". Telling someone they're "not woke" is therefore the equivalent of telling someone they're stupid.

#55 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-06-11 09:23 AM | Reply

the reason labor unions are vilified....except for the police union. - #51 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-10 11:08 PM
I've heard this repeated often, but I think that you are wrong.
I have not seen any left or right leaning articles (or posters) praising the police union. I have seen numerous articles vilifying the protective actions of the police unions (almost all from the left). Police unions are not safe from vilification like you seem to believe that they are. In fact, they have faced much more condemnation with the advent of Black Lives Matter. People are often supportive of Police officers, but I haven't seen any supportive of Police Unions.

#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-06-11 10:09 AM | Reply

Police unions are not safe from vilification like you seem to believe that they are. People are often supportive of Police officers, but I haven't seen any supportive of Police Unions.
..........................................................#56 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Well La Dee Da....they're not safe from vilification. that may be , but they certainly seem immune to picking up the expense caused by members of their legal mafia. the police protect and serve rich people and in return they are allowed to prey on the rest of us. police are not a bunch of officer friendly's..they're a civilian army that occupies our country. and they arm themselves as such more and more each day

#57 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-06-11 11:29 AM | Reply

Whenever I see people comparing how woke they are to others, it reminds me of the opening scene in Michael Jackson's "Bad" video.

"You ain't woke, you ain't nothin'!"

#58 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-06-11 11:50 AM | Reply

Telling someone they're "not woke" is therefore the equivalent of telling someone they're stupid.

#55 | Posted by MUSTANG

Well.. at least you were "woke" long enough to realize that.

Being "woke" is being aware.

The problem with being aware is that now you have the responsibility of knowing.

Now what do you do? You know about something happening that is terrible. And will get worse if you don't do something.

But, it usually turns out to be too hard to do anything. At least alone. And what if you do the wrong thing.

What if you pick the wrong side like Nulli?

So what do you do?

You get depressed.

I think it IS better to be ignorant than depressed sometimes.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-06-11 01:35 PM | Reply

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