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Wednesday, June 06, 2018

McDonald's will roll out self-order kiosks to 1,000 stores every quarter for the next two years, according to CEO Steve Easterbrook. The kiosks were already in roughly 3,500 US McDonald's restaurants as of March, or about one-fourth of its domestic stores. They will be in about half of US restaurants by the end of 2018 and in all stores by 2020. McDonald's locations in Australia, Canada, and the UK are even further along in kiosk usage.

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They already have them here. It's cut the number of human cashiers down to 1, and you get table service.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 09:20 AM | Reply

So now you can order garbage through a kiosk, real progress!

Next thing will be automated mortuaries for the people who die from eating that crap. Just push the button for 1. cremation, 2. burial, 3. garbage disposal.
Insert body.
Take receipt.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-06 09:28 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Their calorie counts are chump change. Try Tom+Chee. You can't see the calorie count on their posted menu, but you can see it on the Uber Eats version. 2100 calories for a double grilled mac & cheese.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 09:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess the good employment numbers aren't going to last too long, are they?

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-06 09:53 AM | Reply

Welcome to the world of high min wages.

jpw, you are making a stupid assumption.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-06 10:11 AM | Reply

Actually, most current employees could be replaced by automation (robots, AI, etc.). Corporations have been working over the last few decades to make all their business practices rules-based to avoid "errors" in human judgment (i.e., discernment). Customer service reps are just humans executing scripts. They generally can't do anything "the computer" won't let them do. I spent the last 15 years, before I retired, designing software to restrict workers from making exceptions. As the cost curve for computing continues downward, at some point people will become "too expensive" to do this work. Based on some recent studies, even "information economy" jobs can be automated, e.g., paralegals (and eventually, lawyers); they can be better diagnosticians than most doctors already. Society is going to have to come up with a different paradigm than "work or starve".

#6 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-06-06 10:12 AM | Reply

Welcome to the world of high min wages.
jpw, you are making a stupid assumption.

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER

It's not about the minimum wage. Automation can be cheaper than any current minimum wage. Humans can't compete with machines. Have you ever heard the old folk tales about John Henry, the "steel-drivin' man"? If not, google it.

#7 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-06-06 10:17 AM | Reply

Humans can't compete with machines.

#7 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN AT 2018-06-06 10:17 AM | REPLY

That's what Elon Musk thought. His conveyor belt robot didn't work out.

#8 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 10:20 AM | Reply

"It's not about the minimum wage. Automation can be cheaper than any current minimum wage. Humans can't compete with machines."

And then one day the owners wonder why they don't have any customers. Oh yeah, machines don't eat hamburgers and the people don't have money to buy their garbage hamburgers served to them by machines.

#9 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-06 10:23 AM | Reply

Jesus Christ can we stop with the hysteria?

What makes McDonald's different than anybody else in retail?

What obligates them to maintain a people expense any more than a grocery store with automated checkouts, retail banking which now has online banking and ATMs, Or anybody in retail that markets through Amazon, etc.

It may work or may not work at McDonald's.

But if it works then expect most of the competitors to fall in line

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-06 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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Welcome to the world of high min wages.
jpw, you are making a stupid assumption.

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-06-06 10:11 AM | REPLY |

The minimum wage has not been raised. Welcome to the technological revolution. We don't need everyone working anymore. We only have 125 million full time jobs in America now. What are you going to do when we only need 40 million full time workers? It isn't science fiction or idle fantasy. When autonomous vehicles advance sufficiently for commercial use 10-12 million professional drivers will be out of work. Why would a company buy a truck AND pay a driver who can only work part of each day and can be distracted when they can just buy a truck that can drive itself 24 hours a day and never gets distracted?

#11 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-06 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

His conveyor belt robot didn't work out.

Yet.

#12 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-06-06 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--His conveyor belt robot didn't work out.

Which is one reason Tesla is refunding deposits on their new virtue-mobile faster than deposits are being made.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-06 10:34 AM | Reply

Yet.
#12 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-06-06 10:30 AM | FLAG:

It was scrapped completely. Just buy the S.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 10:50 AM | Reply

I think the canary-in-the-coalmine attitude towards this is exactly right. This has little to nothing to do with wages and everything to do with automation, robotics, AI, computer programming, etc. Expect UBI to be a more common political issue in the coming decades.

#15 | Posted by dylanfan at 2018-06-06 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Welcome to the world of high min wages.
jpw, you are making a stupid assumption.

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER

It's a stupid assumption that automating low skill service jobs will increase unemployment?

Are you being serious?

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-06 11:47 AM | Reply

Welcome to the world of high min wages.
jpw, you are making a stupid assumption.

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Wrong as usual.

Minimum wage here in Texas is only $7.25. Yet, we were some of the first to get them.

The Kiosks are cheaper than even a $5 an hour employee and the mistakes they make over the long run.

If you had finished the 4th Grade, you might know what is going on.

#17 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-06 11:51 AM | Reply

Jesus Christ can we stop with the hysteria?

What hysteria are you referring to?

#18 | Posted by jpw at 2018-06-06 11:51 AM | Reply

In the past we worked together as a country to raise the standard of living for everyone. We took pride in being the shining city on the hill. Now there is a large portion of our population who are ok with leaving some Americans behind in the dust. They are not only ok with not raising the standard of living of our people, but directly state that some of our people SHOULD lower their standard of living. There is nothing noble about austerity, especially when it is imposed on Americans as a direct result of politicians efforts to reduce spending regardless of how many Americans it hurts. Their ideological view that taxes are bad with no exceptions prevents us from doing the things we need to to actually fight the war on poverty. Since the moment we declared a war on poverty the GOP has been waging a war on the poor and a war on the war on poverty.

There are two views of the fight against poverty. One side is more concerned with helping people in need. They understand that yes some people will game the system and we need to identify and prosecute those people, but we must meet the needs of the people first. The other side believes that most people on government assistance are gaming the system and are ok with cutting off people who need help as long as it cuts off the possibility of gaming the system. They would rather say "tough luck you are on your own" than help all with a few people gaming the system. Perversely they hand out Trillions to Corporations who have teams of accountants whose sole purpose is to game the system. They worry about a welfare cheat getting the maximum $585/month in TANF more than the Corporation finding a tax loophole and avoiding Billions in taxes.

They lump Medicare, Medicaid, SSI and SSDI in with welfare to overstate the cost of welfare. In 2015 The federal outlay for TANF was $19.9 Billion. We spend $35 billion annually maintaining nuclear missiles we will never use.

#19 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-06 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, the McDotards in my neighborhood has installed these infernal machines. It's not like I ate there a lot before, but I will be damned if I eat there now. Let the robots buy their food.

#20 | Posted by 726 at 2018-06-06 12:46 PM | Reply

Medicare, Medicaid, SSI and SSDI in with welfare

Of course. They love calling social security and medicare an entitlement. It makes it easier for them to come and steal it.

--------. I pay into social security and medicare.

The first salvo in the coming social security war has been fired. The corporate media is now reporting that social security, without reforms reducing benefits, will go bankrupt.

It's time to raise the cap.

#21 | Posted by 726 at 2018-06-06 12:48 PM | Reply

They love calling social security and medicare an entitlement...
--------. I pay into social security and medicare.

#21 | POSTED BY 726

That's why it's SS and Medicare are called entitlements and Welfare and food stamps are not.

It's time to raise the age of eligibility and institute a mild form of means testing.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-06 12:54 PM | Reply

That's why it's SS and Medicare are called entitlements and Welfare and food stamps are not.
It's time to raise the age of eligibility and institute a mild form of means testing.
POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-06-06 12:54 PM | REPLY

Welfare and food stamps ARE entitlements as well Mt screw the definitions.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-06 01:13 PM | Reply

The reason SS and Medicare are called entitlements is because people pay into these 2 programs their entire working lives and thus are entitled to receive benefits once they reach the age of eligibility.

The reason that Welfare and food stamps are NOT called entitlements is because nobody is entitled to receive a hand out in exchange for nothing.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-06 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The reason that Welfare and food stamps are NOT called entitlements is because nobody is entitled to receive a hand out in exchange for nothing.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-06-06 01:17 PM | REPLY

Lord you really need to learn before you spew

www.justharvest.org

The federal government created food stamps as an entitlement program so that anyone who qualifies can immediately receive nutrition assistance. Funding for the program automatically expands based on need; this keeps people from starving during hard times.

federalsafetynet.com

Entitlement Programs of the federal government include Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Unemployment and Welfare Programs. Entitlement programs are rights granted to citizens and certain non-citizens by federal law. Entitlement programs can be broken into non-contributory and contributory programs. Non-contributory programs are free handouts - they equal "something for nothing". Contributory programs must be earned - they equal "something for something".

#25 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-06 01:25 PM | Reply

en.wikipedia.org

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF /tænf/) is one of the United States of America's federal assistance programs. It began on July 1, 1997, and succeeded the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, providing cash assistance to indigent American families through the United States Department of Health and Human Services.[2] This cash benefit is often referred to simply as "welfare."

TANF was created by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act instituted under President Bill Clinton in 1996. The Act provides temporary financial assistance while aiming to get people off of that assistance, primarily through employment. There is a maximum of 60 months of benefits within one's lifetime, but some states have instituted shorter periods.[3] The reform granted states wide discretion of how to distribute TANF entitlements. States also have the authority to eliminate payments to recipients altogether. Under the new act, TANF recipients are required to find a job within 24 months of receiving aid.[4] In enforcing the 60-month time limit, some states place limits on the adult portion of the assistance only, while still aiding the otherwise eligible children in the household.

#26 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-06 01:32 PM | Reply

Have you ever heard the old folk tales about John Henry, the "steel-drivin' man"? If not, google it.

#7 | Posted by WhoDaMan

Is taking orders and making change as hard as driving spikes in a RR? Who knew?

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-06 01:33 PM | Reply

It's a stupid assumption that automating low skill service jobs will increase unemployment?

Are you being serious?

#16 | Posted by jpw

If you are depending on flipping burgers for a living you have no ambition at all. It is a job for kids going to school.

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-06 01:37 PM | Reply

The first salvo in the coming social security war has been fired. The corporate media is now reporting that social security, without reforms reducing benefits, will go bankrupt.

It's time to raise the cap.

#21 | Posted by 726

I heard they were talking about disability benefits. That aint all of SS.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-06 01:39 PM | Reply

"If you are depending on flipping burgers for a living you have no ambition at all."

Yeah, and?

Of course there are going to be people with lots of ambition, and those with very little.

The fundamental difference here:

People like JeffJ and Sniper think people should serve the economy.

People like me Danni and JPW and 726 and Hatter5183 think the economy should serve the people.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-06 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"It's time to raise the age of eligibility and institute a mild form of means testing. "

Yeah, we need 70 year old manual laborers to keep on working til they drop. SS age is already rising to 67, I think that is old enough. We need to raise the amount of income subject to SS and Medicare taxes like Reagan, not exactly a flaming liberal, did.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-06 01:50 PM | Reply

If you are depending on flipping burgers for a living you have no ambition at all. It is a job for kids going to school.

#28 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-06-06 01:37 PM | REPLY |

If there are 140 million workers and 135 million jobs and 3.7million of those jobs are in fast food then 3.7 million people will work in fast food regardless of how ambitious they are.

ambition does not create jobs it just lets you advance into open positions. When a supervisor position opens at Walmart one person gets promoted. The rest do not. You can be the most ambitious hard working person in the world but if the next rung on the ladder is never unoccupied you will never be able to step up to it. With a few exceptions every company is a pyramid. You only have a few people in the high paying jobs at the top and may at the lower rungs. The reason we have 40 million people making less than $10/hour is that there are only 90 million jobs that pay more than $10 an hour. People working at McDonalds are not there because that is the peak of their ambition. They are there because they have to pay the rent and that's where there was a job available.

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-06 01:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yet another straw man.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-06 01:52 PM | Reply

McDonald's just tripled its college tuition benefit program.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 01:53 PM | Reply

Last year 3.4 million AMericans graduated from High school. 40 million Americans worked full time for less than $10/hr. Lets round up to 4 million per year. That means you have 32 million people between 16 and 24. If every single one of them worked full time you still have 8 million unfilled full time jobs that pay less than $10/hr

#35 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-06 01:54 PM | Reply

"The corporate media is now reporting that social security, without reforms reducing benefits, will go bankrupt."

Democrats should be campaigning now on making SS solvent for our kids and their kids without reducing benefits or raising the age to qualify for benefits. Republicans want a class war, we should give them a class war. We should beat them over the head with these bread and butter issues. We should campaign on raising minimum wage across the nation, making unionization more possible again, we should be representing labor.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2018-06-06 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You know, I started on clean up just like you guys, but now, see I'm washing lettuce. Soon I'll be on fries!

#37 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-06 01:54 PM | Reply

The minimum wage has not been raised.
#11 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2018-06-06 10:30 AM | FLAG: That is why any smart CEO is being proactive as they know the wages are going to go up. End result will be higher wages, but fewer employees.

#38 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-06-06 02:12 PM | Reply

In the future, there will not be enough jobs to go around. What then?

#39 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-06-06 02:36 PM | Reply

Job interviews will consist of candidates engaging in hand to hand combat for open positions.
Frikkin awesome.

#40 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-06-06 02:43 PM | Reply

#40

Clearly you have never been to a "cattle call" type interview. Those are already half way to a hunger games. Right now there is still a veneer of politeness but that gets thinner every year.

#41 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-06-06 03:38 PM | Reply

That is why any smart CEO is being proactive as they know the wages are going to go up. End result will be higher wages, but fewer employees.

#38 | POSTED BY MSGT AT 2018-06-06 02:12 PM | REPLY

This is just progress. It is not being driven by wages. It is being driven by the falling costs of technology. End result will be fewer employees independent of minimum wage changes. They are implementing it because it is cheaper now than the CURRENT wages. As technology costs keep falling we just plain need fewer worker bees.

Sooner or later we have to find a long term solution for the simple fact that we aren't going to have any need for everyone working. Do we come together as a nation or do we say everyone for themselves?

#42 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-06-06 04:03 PM | Reply

In the future, there will not be enough jobs to go around. What then?

#39 | POSTED BY WHODAMAN

Actually, its not likely to be an issue. People said the same thing when machines started doing farm work in the mid 20th century. The tractor was supposed to lead to crippling unemployment.

It didn't. Other positions opened up because efficiency lowered cost of agricultural products and people had money to spend elsewhere.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-06 06:44 PM | Reply

#43.

Yes. Agreed.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-06 07:03 PM | Reply

If you are depending on flipping burgers for a living you have no ambition at all. It is a job for kids going to school.
#28 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Hey dummy, someone has to do it. Someone has to do the ---- jobs with no real skill required. Someone needs to mow the ditches, flip the burgers, and stock the grocery shelves.

The question is why don't you think they deserve a wage they can live on?

#45 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-06 07:03 PM | Reply

Because the skills they have aren't worth a living wage you stupid ----.

#46 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-06-06 07:07 PM | Reply

How many of you douches like syco pay a kid $100 to rake your leaves? How about $200 tips for the kid at the coffee shop? Come on, don't they deserve it?

You can help them and yet you don't....why?

#47 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-06-06 07:09 PM | Reply

"The tractor was supposed to lead to crippling unemployment."

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Tractors don't increase agricultural output to even a tiny fraction of the extent computers speed up data processing.

Tractors don't plow twice as many fields eveey 18 months like computer chips contain twice as many transistors every 18 months.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-06 07:10 PM | Reply

"Because the skills they have aren't worth a living wage you stupid ----."

There should be no place for businesses that rely on those workers in the economy.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-06 07:13 PM | Reply

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#50 | Posted by Tor at 2018-06-06 09:49 PM | Reply

Down with summer jobs and their lack of living wages lol.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-07 08:37 AM | Reply

McDonald's just tripled its college tuition benefit program.

#34 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-06-06 01:53 PM | FLAG:

"Previously, eligible crew members could receive $700 a year to cover tuition costs at a trade school, community college or traditional four-year college. As of May 1st, eligible restaurant employees will have access to $2,500 a year and managers will have access to $3,000 a year."

How many of you douches like syco pay a kid $100 to rake your leaves?

Raking leaves is a waste of time.

#52 | Posted by 726 at 2018-06-07 10:06 AM | Reply

Raking leaves is a waste of time.

#52 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2018-06-07 10:06 AM | REPLY

Unless you have an HOA, in which case you get fined if you don't.

#53 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-06-07 10:36 AM | Reply

Now there is a large portion of our population who are ok with leaving some Americans behind in the dust. They are not only ok with not raising the standard of living of our people

Giving someone a handout isn't a standard of living. A standard of living is earned and created, not given. The government or society cannot raise your standard of living, that has to be done by you. It's not my job for you to make it in life. If you cannot have the self responsibility to take care of yourself, then you deserve to be on the street begging.

And of course, with you literal liberals, I'm not talking about the insane, the sick, kids or the old and infirm.

#54 | Posted by boaz at 2018-06-07 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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