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Monday, June 04, 2018

Former President Bill Clinton insisted in a weekend interview that he doesn't owe a personal apology to Monica Lewinsky, the former White House intern whose adult life has been defined by their inappropriate sexual affair and the global scrutiny that followed.

'No,' he told NBC in an interview airing Monday on the 'Today' show. 'I do not – I have never talked to her. But I did say publicly on more than one occasion that I was sorry.'

'I apologized to everybody in the world,' Clinton said, implying that was enough.

And the flustered former president, more famous for his Don Juan-like seductions than for his policy legacy, portrayed himself, not Lewinsky, as history's victim in the mass-media's retelling of the 1990s saga.

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A lot of the facts have been omitted to make the story work,' he declared, 'I think partly because they're frustrated that they got all these serious allegations against the current occupant of the Oval Office and his voters don't seem to care.'

And Clinton complained in the interview that he left the presidency financially ruined because of the costs associated with the legal consequences of his actions.

'Nobody believes that I got out of that for free,' he said. 'I left the White House $16 million in debt,'

He's worth about $80 million today, aided by an aggressive schedule of speaking events – many of which paid him six-figure fees for individual appearances.

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Stay Klassy, Bubba.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-04 02:56 PM | Reply

Wow, the DailyMail. Speaking of class!

And RoC, the only witness who was there and knows who seduced whom.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 03:07 PM | Reply

--Wow, the DailyMail.

The slaughter-the-source ad hominem is the only arrow in this poster's tiny quiver.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-04 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3

Brave words from a Richard Spencer supporter. But typed with his own tiny hands, processed by his own tiny brain... while sitting on his yuuge ass.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 03:19 PM | Reply

"who seduced whom"

LOL

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:24 PM | Reply

Aw, Eb was there, too. That room musta been crowded!

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 03:30 PM | Reply

Talking about how it was tough to go through it all is not the same as saying he was the victim.

Man, Conservatives aren't very bright.

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-06-04 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't need to be there to understand how it works with regard to the work place and how the Chief Executive and an intern plays out with regard to who seduced whom.

It's an absurd deflection. That's why I laugh.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Talking about how it was tough to go through it all is not the same as saying he was the victim.

You mean a mischaracterization in a title? welcome to the DR.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

7 but you're right....

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:34 PM | Reply

#7 |

Plus, Lewinsky insists to this day it was consensual; that she wasn't a victim in that relationship.

But hey, rwingers like RoC and Nulli are just doing their Daily Distraction assignments from the Trump Campaign.

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 03:35 PM | Reply

I don't remember anybody suggesting Lewinski was sexually assaulted.

Yet another deflection.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:39 PM | Reply

- It's an absurd deflection. That's why I laugh.

"Sure, my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship."

www.vanityfair.com

And since ya'll like the Daily Mail so much...

www.dailymail.co.uk

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 03:40 PM | Reply

it was a consensual relationship...between a boss and a subordinate.

I don't want to hammer BC over this. It's been long over and I don't care. I certainly don't care to run his name over the coals over this.

But the argument over "consent" isn't the issue....which is why I laugh.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 03:43 PM | Reply

Remember when progressives and feminists said any sex between a powerful man and an underling constituted sexual harassment?

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-06-04 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Talking about how it was tough to go through it all is not the same as saying he was the victim.

FTA-

"the flustered former president, more famous for his Don Juan-like seductions than for his policy legacy, portrayed himself, not Lewinsky, as history's victim in the mass-media's retelling of the 1990s saga."

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-04 04:08 PM | Reply

I actually tend to agree with Bubba to a certain extent, since Lewinsky was elevated to national notoriety by this affair while Bubba was not only impeached as a result of lying about it but was disbarred as well.

Couple that with $16M of legal debt and I think that this was a much bigger loss for Bubba than Monica, so I see where he is coming from.

That being said, seeing Corky run in circles in his Clinton Deflection Pantsuit always has high entertainment value.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-04 04:13 PM | Reply

it was a consensual relationship...between a boss and a subordinate.

#14 | Posted by eberly

It was not allowed in any of the companies I worked for. It would get you fired.

#18 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-06-04 04:14 PM | Reply

Did Monica really say she was going to DC to get her presidential kneepads or some such nonsense? If her intent was to seduce/be seduced, then I hold them both culpable for what went on between them and don't consider their relationship/affair a true #metoo situation. Having said that, Bill, being older and the president, should have known/done better.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-06-04 04:34 PM | Reply

#16

Quoting, not Clinton, but the salacious Daily Mail spin.

- Remember when progressives and feminists said any sex between a powerful man and an underling constituted sexual harassment?

Remember when liberals spent their days and nights obfuscating and deflecting for Donald Trump?

No? Neither do I.

-high entertainment value.

Watching you earn your Daily Distraction retainer from the Trump Campaign is plenty of ----- and giggles.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 05:09 PM | Reply

= Did Monica really say she was going to DC to get her presidential kneepads or some such nonsense?

Actually, that was a question asked by an attny while her college prof, whom she had a 5 year affair with, and his wife were giving an impromptu news conference on their front porch that was seen nationwide right after the story broke.

From other accounts, there was little doubt about why she was at the WH.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 05:13 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton abused the power of his office, and should apologize. This is like a consensual teacher/student relationship. Still wrong.

The fact that her life is in shambles and he isn't sorry for that speaks volumes about his lack of character.

#22 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-06-04 05:20 PM | Reply

The fact that her life is in shambles and he isn't sorry for that speaks volumes about his lack of character.

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2018-06-04 05:20 PM | REPLY

Sleeping around on his wife REGARDLESS who it is shows extreme lack of character as well.

#23 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-04 05:22 PM | Reply

#22

The sensationalized question was about whether he had apologized to her personally. He has obviously apologized many times for what happened, but he hadn't spoken to her directly.

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 05:22 PM | Reply

He has obviously apologized many times for what happened, but he hadn't spoken to her directly.

Like I said, Klassy.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-04 05:24 PM | Reply

He did apologize to her in the clip that accompanied the interview. What really traumatized Monica was having the affair made public and all the publicity that entailed. If no one had found out, I don't think she would have suffered from PTSD. Having an affair when you are married and sleeping with a married man both show a lack of character when you get right down to it. Bill was older and bears more responsibility, but Monica, already having had one affair with a married man under her belt, was not the innocent young girl some would like to portray her to be. They both did wrong, and they both paid the price. I hold him more responsible because he was older and the president, but I don't give her a free pass. Just my 2 cents.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-06-04 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26

Agreed, she knew what she was doing and has to bear the consequences of her choices.

My point is that Bubba undoubtedly paid a heavier price, but he knew what he was doing and his actions were far more expensive in the long run.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-06-04 05:34 PM | Reply

LOL, did Nulli really copypasta DailyFail?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-04 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't need to be there to understand how it works with regard to the work place and how the Chief Executive and an intern plays out with regard to who seduced whom.

LOL.

She said "do me" and he said "I can only let you do a beej" and she said "Sure."

Nobody seduced anybody.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-04 06:09 PM | Reply

I agree the daily mail stinks so here is a huffington post link on this

"Bill Clinton Deployed A Tactic Used By Trump In Interview About Monica Lewinsky
He missed a real opportunity to reckon with their affair in light of Me Too, instead relying on a strategy used by many perpetrators of harassment."

www.huffingtonpost.com

#30 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-06-04 07:33 PM | Reply

He has obviously apologized many times for what happened, but he hadn't spoken to her directly.
#24 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2018-06-04 05:22 PM | REPLY

I would.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-06-04 07:45 PM | Reply

"Nobody seduced anybody."

Corky will be along anytime to cry "where you there? Where you there? Squawk!! Squawk!!"

BTW, I agree with you. Nobody seduced anybody.

#32 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 08:30 PM | Reply

"Remember when progressives and feminists said any sex between a powerful man and an underling constituted sexual harassment?

POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-06-04 03:48 PM | REPLY | "

I agree that it is inappropriate and unethical, but i wouldn't use the term "harassment".

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-06-04 08:36 PM | Reply

I agree that it is inappropriate and unethical, but i wouldn't use the term "harassment".

POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2018-06-04 08:36 PM | REPLY

Monica was a subordinate. Classic example of sexual harassment.

#34 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-04 08:41 PM | Reply

It's harassment to let your intern suck it?

Explain.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-04 08:45 PM | Reply

35

Yes

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 08:47 PM | Reply

My impression of Monica, before her #metoo epiphany, was that she wanted to be Clinton's Marilynn Monroe. Maybe I'm wrong, and it doesn't excuse Bill's behavior, but being chosen by the POTUS for extracurricular activity could be pretty heady (pardon the pun) stuff. Monica was a subordinate, yes, but she was also of legal age and a willing participant and not coerced, so I have trouble putting this in the typical #metoo category.

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-06-04 08:48 PM | Reply

harassment is unwanted advancements, guys. not consensual stuff.

its still an abuse of power, though.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-06-04 08:55 PM | Reply

advances. damn phone.

#39 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-06-04 08:56 PM | Reply

don't need to be there to understand how it works with regard to the work place and how the Chief Executive and an intern plays out with regard to who seduced whom.
It's an absurd deflection. That's why I laugh.
#8 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-06-04 03:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I don't get. What is the plain meaning?

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-04 10:21 PM | Reply

You must hear the voice messages she left him. There is no doubt in my mind that she wasn't enjoying every moment.

Listening to them, I actually think she snagged him.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-04 10:24 PM | Reply

40

I know that consensual sex between boss and subordinate is not about who seduced whom.

It doesn't matter. As Alex said, it's an abuse of power.

It's not harassment, unless the subordinate claims one of the kinds of harassment, such as hostile environment, quid pro quo, etc....it becomes a game of he said/she said and he would have no defense if this is claimed....which is why it becomes harassment, for all intents and purposes.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 10:28 PM | Reply

"It doesn't matter. As Alex said, it's an abuse of power."

It is, but it can also be a real ego boost and promote a sense of a different kind of power to be the chosen one of someone so powerful, provided the contact is consensual.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-06-04 10:41 PM | Reply

"it becomes a game of he said/she said and he would have no defense if this is claimed."

"He" would have no defense?
Was that supposed to be she?
Because as it stands it kinda looks like Bill Clinton is the victim...

Though it does jibe with what a lot of men will tell you about sexual harassment allegations.
Duke Lacrosse Team for example.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-04 10:46 PM | Reply

"Because as it stands it kinda looks like Bill Clinton is the victim..."

No, not of Ms. Lewinsky. I'd say he was a victim of other sleazy and hypocritical men in the Congress who tried to out his sexual misconduct while keeping their own hidden. I think that's part of the reason so many voters actually forgave Bill back in the day.

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-06-04 10:51 PM | Reply

"I don't get. What is the plain meaning?"

Condescension is the plain meaning behind most of Eberly's drive-bys.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-06-04 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The headline was a major fail; that's not what he said. But the Trump Campaign is getting it's money's worth in fake news distractions from RightofNixon.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2018-06-04 11:06 PM | Reply

"Because as it stands it kinda looks like Bill Clinton is the victim..."

To you.

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2018-06-04 11:30 PM | Reply

At the time of this affair, the feminist interpretation was that she had the power to choose.

At least that is my understanding.

There is a lot of people who need to apologize to Monica for using her for political gain.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-04 11:34 PM | Reply

Read/listen to this!!!

www.dailymail.co.uk

Newly-released tapes 'reveal White House intern, then 24, asking the president to meet her for a movie or at his office in November 1997'

Audio recording was made months after their final alleged tryst

'I really want to see you,' she says on the tape. 'I could take my clothes off'
She also 'sent letters to Clinton, begging him to explain why affair ended'

#50 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-04 11:40 PM | Reply

"Bill Clinton Deployed A Tactic Used By Trump In Interview About Monica Lewinsky
He missed a real opportunity to reckon with their affair in light of Me Too, instead relying on a strategy used by many perpetrators of harassment."

From the Evil Right Winger at the HuffingtonPost

www.huffingtonpost.com

Good Article!

#51 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-06-04 11:41 PM | Reply

#51 that's not a good article at all... He said he felt terrible about it.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-04 11:45 PM | Reply

52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-0

thats all you got from the article LOL

#53 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-06-04 11:50 PM | Reply

"Clinton elided responsibility for his actions, and declined to seriously wrestle with what happened through a modern lens.

"This is not the statement of accountability I wish he would've shown," said Jennifer Freyd, a professor of psychology at the University of Oregon who has written about the way perpetrators and institutions defend themselves against misconduct allegations.

Instead, Clinton used a version of a strategy that Freyd calls "DARVO." She coined the term in 1997, a year before the Lewinksy scandal broke on the home page of the Drudge Report. The abbreviation stands for Deny the behavior, attack the accuser, and reverse the roles of victim and offender.

In other words, when confronted with a credible accusation or a question about misconduct, you say it never happened, lash out against the victim and paint yourself as the one who is truly suffering. (Recall Clinton's initial denial of the affair ― "I did not have sexual relations with that woman. These allegations are false" ― which was both a denial and a subtle smear.)"

From HuffPo article link in post 51

#54 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-06-05 06:48 AM | Reply

All Clintons are the victims don't you know??? They never take responsibility for ANYTHING. Sadly their sycophants don't either.

#55 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-06-05 07:09 AM | Reply

#54 and #55

You are falling for Jeff style writings. The piece makes zero sense. Just insert anyone's name. Do you not remember what happened? Don't fall for Trump's revisionist history.

#56 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-05 07:50 AM | Reply

#56 | Posted by BruceBanner at 201

Oh please now you're sounding desperate trying to compare me to Jeff.

And the article makes perfect sense but maybe not to a Clinton rectum kisser neo-liberal

#57 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-06-05 08:17 AM | Reply

#57 I posted a better one. You're Jeff. Now you're using their words. Helium and Nulli welcome you Jeff Jr.

#58 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-06-05 09:40 AM | Reply

Typie lib play, playing the victim card.

#59 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-06-05 12:52 PM | Reply

How did I get referenced in a thread I didn't even post in?

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-06-06 11:13 AM | Reply

#60: True sign of affection. They luv ya man.

#61 | Posted by Daniel at 2018-06-06 11:42 AM | Reply

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