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An Oregon high school student is suing his school, saying it violated his First Amendment rights when it suspended him for wearing a Trump T-shirt. The student, 18-year-old Addison Barnes, told FOX 12 that he was asked to cover up a T-shirt he was wearing that said "Donald J. Trump Construction Co." on it, or leave school. The shirt also included a Trump quote: "The wall just got 10 feet taller." According to KGW, Barnes wore the shirt to his People and Politics class at Liberty High School in Hillsboro in January, and he told the TV outlet he knew they'd be discussing immigration in class that day.

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I'm glad to see the ACLU on the student's side.

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"Donald J. Trump Construction Co.,
We don't pay our contractors."

FTFY

"I'm glad to see the ACLU on the student's side."

I appreciate the ACLU's willingness to protect 1st Amendment rights but the punk wearing the shirt isn't worth crap. Everyone knows he wore the shirt as an affront to those who actually believe in rights. But, be that as it may, I applaud the ACLU for defending even the most disgusting. Those who are in favor of the ACLU's assistance on this should be consistent and applaud their efforts on other civil rights issues, but they don't. On other issues the ACLU is called Communists, Nazis, you name it, they're called it. I'm quite sure Avigdore doesn't support most of their actions but he still expects them to be there to defend some a*****e wearing a Trump shirt.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-24 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


imo, wearing a provocative T-shirt is not grounds for suspension. If it were, I'd have to relive my high school years...

Does the school have any policy about political clothing? If not, my leaning is towards free speech.


From the article, "...The school official who pulled Barnes out of class to ask him to cover the shirt also told him at least one student and one teacher had been offended by the shirt, The Associated Press reported. ..."

Oh please. Get a life.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-24 09:53 AM | Reply

"Donald J Trump Construction Co... using the best illegal Polish immigrant labor in the US"

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-24 10:07 AM | Reply

I'm glad to see the ACLU on the student's side.

They shouldn't be on this little ----- side. He was being inflammatory on purpose.

And if he'd had better role models than Trump and crew, he'd know that the school was well within it's rights to act as they did and his stupid lawsuit will go nowhere.

I hope a judge makes him pay the district's legal fees as well and he works at McDonalds the rest of his life paying it down as a lesson to not allow oneself to be a political tool.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-24 11:10 AM | Reply

I was under the impression the school had a right to do this. Remember bong hits for Jesus. Etc etc etc.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-24 11:14 AM | Reply

@#5 ... I was under the impression the school had a right to do this. ...

That's why I asked about a policy in #2.

If there is an appropriate and properly applied policy, then it may be moot.

But sometimes even policies can be misguided, especially in the current era of extreme political correctness.

In some respects, I'd like to see the courts work through this one...

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-24 11:24 AM | Reply

"According to KGW, Barnes wore the shirt to his People and Politics class at Liberty High School in Hillsboro in January, and he told the TV outlet he knew they'd be discussing immigration in class that day."

While I disagree with the shirt's sentiment, this seems like an appropriate time and place to wear it.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-24 11:27 AM | Reply

I'm quite sure Avigdore doesn't support most of their actions but he still expects them to be there to defend some a*****e wearing a Trump shirt. - #1 | Posted by Danni at 2018-05-24 09:52 AM
As usual, you are precisely wrong. I support anyone who stands up for the rights of all Americans against overreach by the government. The constitution doesn't restrict rights to the 'good guys'. I dare say that no one who's taken the oath to protect the constitution and the country went into it thinking they were only protecting the people who agreed with him. I know that I didn't.
For some, age grants wisdom. I wish it had with you.

#8 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-24 11:35 AM | Reply

#6 there's nothing for the courts to work over. A case regarding this sort of situation has gone all the way to SCOTUS.

A students first amendment rights can be limited by a school to mitigate disruption to other student's learning.

I'd be genuinely shocked if this made it out of the gate.

#9 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-24 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

And if he'd had better role models than Trump and crew, he'd know that the school was well within it's rights to act as they did and his stupid lawsuit will go nowhere. - #4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-24 11:10 AM

ACLU of Oregon Legal Director, Matt Dos Santos, told KGW in a statement that the high school "clearly crossed a line" by asking Barnes to remove the shirt.

Hmm...jpw or ACLU of Oregon Legal Director, Matt Dos Santos. ACLU of Oregon Legal Director, Matt Dos Santos or Drudge commenter, JPW. That's really a tough call.

JPW, you've managed to seem mostly reasonable and intelligent in our recent discussions, but on this, I believe that you are mistaken.
I'd put money on this being settled before the court case is heard, and the student wearing the shirt at school again.

#10 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-24 11:44 AM | Reply

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The school needs to be more precise in what constitues in/appropriate sayings and pictures:

The Liberty High School handbook includes a rule that "only appropriate sayings or pictures are acceptable" on students' clothing, but does not get more specific, The Associated Press reported.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-24 11:45 AM | Reply

From the student handbook:

Clothing decorated or marked with illustrations, words, or phrases that have sexual innuendoes, are vulgar, obscene, or promote behavior violating school conduct standards is not permitted. Gang-related symbols, colors, or insignias are not allowed. Clothing decorated or marked with illustrations, words, or phrases that are disruptive or potentially disruptive, and/or that promote superiority of one group over another is not permitted.

Emblems, badges, patches, or symbols espousing violence, hate, racist views, or gang membership. Such clothing, personal property, and adornments are prohibited on District property and at school-sponsored events.

or02216643.schoolwires.net

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-24 11:56 AM | Reply


@#9 ... A students first amendment rights can be limited by a school to mitigate disruption to other student's learning. ...

Thanks, I was not aware of the SCOTUS case.

So it falls back to a school policy thing.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-24 12:00 PM | Reply

Thanks to those who posted about the actual code. The "rules" cited do not appear to apply to this shirt. I see no reason for suspension. And much as I loathe Trump's policies and have zero respect for the man, freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

Weird case.

#14 | Posted by pragmatist at 2018-05-24 12:02 PM | Reply

Also from the handbook:

Freedom of Expression

Students have a general right to freedom of expression within the school system. The District requires, however, that students exercise their rights fairly, responsibly, and in a manner not disruptive to other individuals or to the educational process.

Generally, students and student organizations are free to examine and discuss questions of interest to them, and to express opinions publicly and privately within the school system, provided such examination and expression is fair and responsible, and is not disruptive to other individuals or to the educational process. Students may support causes by orderly means that do not disrupt other individuals or the operation of the school.

In the classroom, students are free to examine views offered in any course of study, provided such examination is expressed in a responsible manner.

or02216643.schoolwires.net

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-24 12:05 PM | Reply

A "Hang the Bi$ch" T-shirt would be out because it advocates violence. An "I'm With Her" shirt could be offensive and disruptive to some. The best policy might be to ban all politically-oriented apparel.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-24 12:27 PM | Reply

School uniforms.

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-24 12:32 PM | Reply

"I dare say that no one who's taken the oath to protect the constitution and the country went into it thinking they were only protecting the people who agreed with him."

I can think of a certain President who thought he was only there to defend the rights of those who think like him.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-24 12:41 PM | Reply

"The best policy might be to ban all politically-oriented apparel."

no "Vote for Pedro" shirts?

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-24 12:48 PM | Reply

JPW, you've managed to seem mostly reasonable and intelligent in our recent discussions, but on this, I believe that you are mistaken.
I'd put money on this being settled before the court case is heard, and the student wearing the shirt at school again.

#10 | Posted by Avigdore

We'll have to wait and see.

There is precedence for first amendment restrictions in schools, so I'm betting not.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-24 12:57 PM | Reply

Welcome to the people's republic of oregon.

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-05-24 01:09 PM | Reply

www.lawyers.com

Maybe it won't be immediately thrown out, but I can't see it resulting in a positive ruling for the student.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-24 01:13 PM | Reply

The people supporting this kid are the same ones who were losing their minds last year when kids wore Mexican flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo.

Personally I say let the kid wear the shirt. Anything that makes it easier to identify Nazis is good with me.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-24 01:17 PM | Reply

The people supporting this kid are the same ones who were losing their minds last year when kids wore Mexican flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo. - #23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-24 01:17 PM
You really think the ACLU was losing their minds last year when kids wore Mexican flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo?

#24 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-24 02:07 PM | Reply

"You really think the ACLU was losing their minds last year when kids wore Mexican flag shirts on Cinco de Mayo?"

The people here, son, at the Retort.

#25 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-24 02:28 PM | Reply

Clothing decorated or marked with illustrations, words, or phrases that are disruptive or potentially disruptive, and/or that promote superiority of one group over another is not permitted.

Promote Superiority.

What happens if the shirt just says DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN.

Will the school take a position of which is superior?

#26 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-05-24 03:01 PM | Reply

This shirt is nothing compared to what I wore in school. One year I wore a Guns N Roses T-shirt with the original art work from Appetite for Destruction. Another year I wore Metallica's "Metal Up Your Ass" shirt, with a picture of hand holding a dagger coming out of a toilet. I was asked to cover up the former and was sent home to change the latter.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-24 03:34 PM | Reply

That's nothing. In High School, I wore a "See Dick smoke, see Dick choke, see Dick croak...Don't be a Dick" shirt.

The when the Principal saw me in the hall, he punched me in the face.

If you're wondering why people reared in Texas are a little hostile, this may help you understand.

#28 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-05-24 03:42 PM | Reply

#28, I bet he was a smoker. Smokers are vile degenerates with an oral fixation on phallic objects, and as boorish as people who ---------- in public.

I should put that on a T-shirt.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-24 04:00 PM | Reply

"An Oregon high school student is suing his school, saying it violated his First Amendment rights when it suspended him for wearing a Trump T-shirt."

Bong Hits 4 Jesus!

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-24 04:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The School can ban items of clothes because they cause a disruption to school activities OR if the ban is content-neutral (i.e. all political shirts are banned).

It doesn't seem like that is the case here though.

Unfortunately, the school can't really defend itself to the media. So we'll see when it goes to Court.

#31 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-24 04:35 PM | Reply

Intimidating your fellow students isn't protected free speech.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-05-24 06:43 PM | Reply

"I have my First Amendment, and it's not right what they're doing."

This student still has some learning to do. The First Amendment does not prohibit public schools from putting rules on student speech, per Tinker v. Des Moines and three subsequent Supreme Court decisions. School officials have wide latitude to enact limits if they believe the speech will be disruptive.

The shirt was intended to provoke and anger during a class discussion on immigration. It was reasonable for the school to believe this was excessively disruptive and tell him to cover up the shirt.

#33 | Posted by rcade at 2018-05-24 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The shirt was intended to provoke and anger during a class discussion on immigration"

That's disingenuous. By what objective measure could a shirt that expresses a pro-border wall sentiment be deemed as intended to provoke anger and intimidation, but a poster in the same room that advocates sanctuary cities not be? What if the situation was reversed, and someone wearing a pro-sanctuary city shirt was singled out for their dissenting and minority viewpoint / protest of the environment of the discussion?

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-25 12:22 AM | Reply

"What if the situation was reversed, and someone wearing a pro-sanctuary city shirt was singled out for their dissenting and minority viewpoint / protest of the environment of the discussion?"

Well, in that case, you certainly wouldn't be complaining, but everything else would be pretty much the same.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-25 12:40 AM | Reply

#34 | Posted by sentinel

AAAwwwwwww the poor ------- is reaching for reasons to think his viewpoint doesn't make him an -------.

That's so quaint.

#36 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-25 01:17 AM | Reply

#2 ... you got a whole lotta Supreme Court law to read.

i'm over. standardize school clothing. or let it all go. or walk the line... for Bong Hits For Jesus (long arm of the ps gestapo) or maybe, iirc, Suck Eggs. then there's the armbands case...? iirc, lots of them. hair length; skirt length....self-expression.

---- it, white t shirt, jeans, black faux leather jacket, all-stars for all. and some skirts anybody can wear. maybe a cute hat.
no umbrellas. no service animals. ...and no forced attendance.
afa art performance and showing and class or school related events and projects, wide open. disrupt, offend all you want. still gotta follow teacher assignment instructions, if reasonable.

#37 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:10 AM | Reply

mb some service animals.

#38 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:12 AM | Reply

Bong Hits was across the street. his dad lost his job at some factory.
how many virgins will martyr BHFJ get? 5? 6? 🇺🇸

#39 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:16 AM | Reply

#2 ... it has to be the "the wall just got..." that's easily disruptive.
i used to totally disagree with these concepts. not anymore, not today.

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:20 AM | Reply

Bong Hits was absolutely clear though.

...idk. no sleep.

#41 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:22 AM | Reply

give them all acid.

#42 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-05-25 07:23 AM | Reply

The person who posted this thread thinks that a guy who stole something should be charged as a terrorist because rules and also that this kid shouldn't have to follow rules....

#43 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-05-25 07:23 AM | Reply

#43 Why don't you beat the hell out of him if you ever meet him in real life, like you threatened to do to me then?

#44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-05-25 08:56 AM | Reply

#43 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-05-25 07:23 AM
You are the prefect combination of ignorant and liar. Evidently, you are also too stupid to understand that I can inform others of how you are wrong, without having to take a stance on the subject you are wrong about.

#45 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-25 10:13 AM | Reply

School uniforms.

#17 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2018-05-24 12:32 PM | FLAG:

Why do you hate freedom? And poor people?

#46 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-25 12:01 PM | Reply

That's disingenuous.

No, it's obvious. He knew an immigration discussion was happening in class so he wore a shirt with a taunt on it. If you don't recognize that was an intent to provoke you're being gullible.

At most you can argue it wasn't provocative enough to become disruptive. But it's not up to the kid to decide. It's up to the school, and a school has broad rights to deem somethingis disruptive.

#47 | Posted by rcade at 2018-05-25 05:19 PM | Reply

"Student Suspended for Being a Troll"

Sounds more like it.

#48 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-25 05:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Student Suspended for Being a Troll"

Nailed it!

Thread is dead.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-25 05:25 PM | Reply

#44

Why don't you rub one out to a photo of and ugly kid with a rifle.

#50 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-05-25 07:32 PM | Reply

without having to take a stance on the subject you are wrong about.

#45 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Oh no, you took a stand on it.

Black guy who stole something = perfectly justifiable terrorism charge.

Have any of your 2nd amendment heroes been charged with terrorism for slaughtering kids in school?

It's got nothing to do with race though...

#51 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-05-25 07:35 PM | Reply

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