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Nearly 51 million households don't earn enough to afford a monthly budget that includes housing, food, child care, health care, transportation and a cell phone, according to a study released Thursday by the United Way ALICE Project. That's 43% of households in the United States. The figure includes the 16.1 million households living in poverty, as well as the 34.7 million families that the United Way has dubbed ALICE -- Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. This group makes less than what's needed "to survive in the modern economy." Many of these folks are the nation's child care workers, home health aides, office assistants and store clerks, who work low-paying jobs and have little savings

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"For too long, the magnitude of financial instability in this country has been understated and obscured by misleading averages and outdated poverty calculations," said John Franklin, president of the Projectand CEO of United Way of Northern New Jersey. "It is morally unacceptable and economically unsustainable for our country to have so many hardworking families living paycheck to paycheck. We are all paying a price when ALICE families can't pay the bills."

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How we got here is mostly due to U.S. business leaders pushing back against the activist middle-class movements of the 1960s and 1970s ...

Who Stole The American Dream?
youtu.be

Hedrick Smtih does a tremendous job of connecting the dots and explaining what happened -- well worth the time.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-18 06:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Here is a clue....

Stop chasing cars on the highway and stop trying to put your dingdong through every car window. It's not your car!

As long as USA keeps doing that, it can't take care of it's own people.

Better BOAZ-kind goes hungry than the rest of us, no?

#2 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-05-18 06:28 AM | Reply

But of course the US is finding excuses to go to war with someone, anyone.

And America's losers (the majority, as proven by Trump's election victory) will cheer it on.

#3 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-05-18 06:30 AM | Reply

"and you know that it is true for me and for you that the world is a ghetto"

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-05-18 06:49 AM | Reply

Paul Ryan's answer to this is to cut food stamps.

What an evil ------- piece of ----.

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-18 06:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Here's our major DISCRETIONARY spending initiatives the last 20 years.

• Two Bush Tax Cuts = $6.6 trillion (2001, 2003)
• Medicare Part D = $1 trillion (2003)
• Iraq/Afghanistan Wars = $7 trillion (2003 - 2018)
• Wall Street Bank Bailout = $12.8 trillion (2008)
• Obama Stimulus = $1 trillion (2009)
• Trump/GOP Tax Cuts = $1.5 trillion (2017)

Almost $30 trillion since 2001 -- and we argue over food stamps.

No wonder America is in decline.

Here's a thought -- how about spending just a few of those trillions on things that matter so America DOESN'T end up in a situation where half the country can't afford the basics.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-18 07:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Thanks Obama.
What? You didn't realize this was the 2016 report?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-18 07:29 AM | Reply

#7 Thank gawd Donny Dealmaker got those families an extra $1.50 per week while also gutting Medicaid.

They can split a McGriddle in the back of their home/car.

#8 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-18 07:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Thanks Obama.
What? You didn't realize this was the 2016 report?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 201"

From article posted

"according to a study released Thursday by the United Way ALICE Project."

The article mentions a study in Seattle in 2016 but that does not mean this report is from 2016

#9 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-05-18 08:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Big Deal
They have nothing to complain about
They got an embassy in Jerusalem and some dead Palestinians in return

It's a good Deal
The DR Trumpy Dumpty's

#10 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-05-18 09:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"What? You didn't realize this was the 2016 report?"

And who controlled Congress in 2016? So your point?

#11 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-18 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


The article mentions a study in Seattle in 2016 but that does not mean this report is from 2016

#9 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-05-18 08:30 AM

you didn't read far enough into the data.
Click on 'study' in the article.
It'll take you to
www.unitedwayalice.org
Click on 'Click here to meet ALICE'.
Then click on 'Explore the Data'
You'll see that data was taken in 2007 and 2010 'and then recalculated every two years'.
You'll also see, if you click through the data, that the most recent is for 2016.
Which makes sense, because 2018 not being over, the data wouldn't be available until after 2018.
You don't have to trust me (or the news source). I strongly encourage everyone to do actual research when presented with 'news' articles like this.

#12 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-18 11:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

And who controlled Congress in 2016? So your point? - #11 | Posted by Danni at 2018-05-18 10:54 AM
My point is consistency. If you want to give credit for the state of the economy in 2016 & 2017 to those 'who controlled Congress in 2016', I'm all for it.
But, any good news in the economy has been met with cheers of 'Thanks, Obama!'. And rightly so.
That doesn't make him immune to the bad news that happened on his watch.
Consistency.

#13 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-18 11:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What an evil ------- piece of ----."

Pretty much applies to about 90% of republicans these days.

#14 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-05-18 11:32 AM | Reply

America is in decline. We all know it. So we can take an 'each man for himself' approach, or actually try to work together to make this country a better place. We know which mind-set Trump has been appealing to.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-05-18 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That doesn't make him immune to the bad news that happened on his watch."

No but Republican filibusters to every bill proposed by Democrats which would have improved employment possibilities for working class Americans do. Hell, they wouldn't even let him make a SC appointment for over a year. Don't try to pretend now that didn't happen. I'm pretty old but I've not seen such a disgraceful era in Congress in my entire life. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are disgusting pieces of filth.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-18 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""What an evil ------- piece of ----."
Pretty much applies to about 90% of republicans these days."

I disagree, most them are not evil they're just stupid. Consider just those who supported the Iraq invasion and never admitted their error. They don't know any better. They honestly believed they were being patriotic. I don't hate them, nor do I hate the poor suckers sent over there to fight. I hate the people at the top, most of whom never served but were willing to send other people's kids to kill for oil. and then the leadership was so pathetic we didn't even get the oil they went there for.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-18 11:43 AM | Reply

Oh, that's rich. A Liberal who has no idea how governing works and proves it every day generalizes that everyone who doesn't agree with him is stupid. Liberal policies are just as much to blame as conservative policies. The country only gets worse because people like you refuse to accept that maybe not everyone thinks like you do and the way some people want to live doesn't match the way you want to live. YOU are the problem. And if I get banned for saying so even though you just called everyone who is a Republican stupid, that just proves my point 100%.

#18 | Posted by humtake at 2018-05-18 11:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Maybe some of us want to work really hard for our money our whole lives and then not have it taken away to be given to people who don't. Maybe some of us want to enjoy our 2nd Amendment right the way it is written. Maybe some of us want to enjoy the gas prices we have because we have to drive so far to work every day, which involves ensuring not one country in the world can hijack oil prices and raise them significantly. Maybe some of us enjoy our freedoms enough that we want to ensure our country remains on top which requires a lot of foreign affairs, which in some cases results in having to defend us.

But here's where you go wrong. You refuse to accept that people have come from nothing and worked hard and now enjoy a good life so they don't want others to not have to go through the same trials and tribulations first. You refuse to accept that an Amendment is for the greater good and not just yourself. You refuse to accept that gas prices remain what they are because we (along with other countries) prevent warlords from hording all oil fields and creating a monopoly on oil...which, btw, I'm still wondering how people don't understand the logic that if the people you say are conspiring to go to war because of oil would be the richest people in the world. But they aren't. Bush had $400m network...that is not the networth of someone who controls oil.

Start by accepting that people don't hold the same opinion as you and that doesn't make them stupid. It makes your ass stupid for saying it. Neither side is full of stupid people. They are full of people who hold opinions and value their way of life and whatever they have had to go through to enjoy that way of life. Just because you hate your life so much doesn't mean others do. Start by recognizing you aren't the center of the universe and everything you think and do is better than those who disagree with you.

How the f can you sit there and demonize and generalize and then be part of a group who protests against demonizing and generalizing? You need to do a damn life check.

#19 | Posted by humtake at 2018-05-18 11:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 4

#18

There are people out there who want an impoverished lifestyle? Who thought stress could be so attractive.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-18 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19

Since you're talking Second Amendment, eight kids in Texas just died for your lifestyle.

#21 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-18 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Just one more tax cut for the 1% and this will all be solved.

Pinky swear promise.

- Paul Lyin Ryan.

#22 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-18 12:04 PM | Reply

#21 No no no..... you got it all wrong. They didn't die. They watered the tree of liberty with their blood.

Wayne LaPewPierre had to go rub one out when he heard.

Lets not forget the good guy with the AK-47 that shot at a childrens party because they were loud.

Sure am glad Dotard Donny has done ZERO to address the issue and actually made it worse by allowing mentally ill people have access to firearms.

#23 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-18 12:07 PM | Reply

#19

I've got no problem demonizing Trumpism, that's the least it deserves.

In terms of generalization, anyone who is not sincerely c9nfusef who supports it is a bastard.

#24 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-18 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sincerely confused..."

#25 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-18 12:09 PM | Reply

Covfefe

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 12:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

You refuse to accept that gas prices remain what they are because we (along with other countries) prevent warlords from hording all oil fields and creating a monopoly on oil

Do you live in an alternate reality?

then.gasbuddy.com

#27 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-18 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#19 | Posted by humtake

Jesus wept.

#28 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-05-18 03:56 PM | Reply

#19 "Maybe some of us want to enjoy our 2nd Amendment right the way it is written."

Hum... Let's take the 2nd as written. Let's agree that everyone who owns a gun is now a part of the well regulated militia, and can be called upon to serve any time there is a need. Kidding of course, but you brought up the "as written" portion. BTW, I am a gun owner.

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#19 "You refuse to accept that people have come from nothing and worked hard and now enjoy a good life so they don't want others to not have to go through the same trials and tribulations first."

Why is one of the standard arguments against free education, a living wage, taking care of the less fortunate, etc that it isn't fair since we/they/us suffered so each successive generation must suffer the same way? We had to suffer through dark, poor years and yet now have the opportunity to make sure younger generations don't have to suffer so much. Think of the amazing things we could dream up and create if we didn't saddle our kids with untenable debt.

#29 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2018-05-18 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Jesus wept.

When Jesus had the chance to set up The Way, the original church in Israel, the members were required to sell all they owned and live communally. As Paul grew the church, that changed to abiding by local custom and in various nations rather than foment violent rebellion... but never to be afraid to speak out peacefully against tyranny.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 05:21 PM | Reply

custom and law

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 05:22 PM | Reply

First starvation, then euthanasia. The plan is working.
- GOP

#32 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-18 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe some of us want to enjoy our 2nd Amendment right the way it is written.

I bet you would like to enjoy Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3 the way it was originally written in the Constitution, too.

We don't live in the world of 1787. We live in the here and now.

It's the year 2018. Things have changed.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-18 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#30 | Posted by Corky

Uhhh...okay...

#34 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-05-18 06:56 PM | Reply

In some places in the English-speaking world, including Great Britain, Ireland (particularly Dublin and Belfast) and Australia, the phrase "Jesus wept" is a common expletive, curse or minced oath spoken when something goes wrong or to express mild incredulity.[8] It is also used sarcastically when expressing unsympathetic indifference to someone else's perceived unfortunate situation or self-pity.

In 1965 broadcaster Richard Dimbleby accidentally used the expletive live on air during the state visit of Elizabeth II to West Germany.[9]


source

#35 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-05-18 07:01 PM | Reply

Maybe some of us want to work really hard for our money our whole lives and then not have it taken away to be given to people who don't.

#19 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Well thankfully that's not happening unless you make a lot of money. And if you make a lot of money, you can afford it because frankly there are a lot of people working just as hard making a lot less and you depend on those people to live your happy little life.

So...maybe its time to grow up a bit and realize it's not all about you.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jesus wept.

#28 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD

Jesus obviously saw my fantasy baseball team's DL list.

For the love of God!

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-18 08:02 PM | Reply

Nearly 51 million households don't earn enough to afford a monthly budget that includes housing, food, child care, health care, transportation and a cell phone

And yet statistically, those same people (less educated, at or below poverty line) are more likely to be smokers, get tattoos, and have more children.

#38 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-05-19 06:53 AM | Reply

those same people (less educated,

Quick slash education to give another tax break to those who don't need it.

#39 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-05-19 07:45 AM | Reply

"You refuse to accept that people have come from nothing and worked hard and now enjoy a good life so they don't want others to not have to go through the same trials and tribulations first."

Sad that anyone thinks like you do. Trust me, adults don't think that way ever. Grow the hell up. Adults don't want their kids to have to endure all the things they had to endure, we want better lives for our children. Haters think the way you do. Seek help. You are sick.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-19 08:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

are more likely to be smokers, get tattoos, and have more children.

#38 | POSTED BY MUSTANG AT 2018-05-19 06:53 AM | REPLY

Wait, what's wrong with tattoos?

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-05-19 08:28 AM | Reply

No but Republican filibusters to every bill proposed by Democrats which would have improved employment possibilities for working class Americans do. - #16 | Posted by Danni at 2018-05-18 11:36 AM
Specifically, which bills were those?

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-19 01:33 PM | Reply

"Specifically, which bills were those?"

Anyone who pays attention to current events already knows, look it up. It's easy to do on Google.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-19 01:41 PM | Reply

Just this once though I'll do your homework for you:

www.dailysignal.com

#44 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-19 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey, avidgore.

I couldn't find the archive for charlottesville thread, so I can't prove my assertion that you defended the nazis.

I apologize.

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-19 01:57 PM | Reply

If poor Americans actually wanted to eat food or live in an apartment they wouldn't be so LAZY and get off their asses and get a job instead of just living the high life on government hand-outs. Would you believe there are actual Americans who are too mentally ill, or physically handicapped to work? Why should my tax dollars go to giving them food? MAGA. Covevfe.

#46 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-05-19 02:04 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-19 01:57 PM
Good afternoon.
I only came in here to ask you about that.
I really do appreciate that you took the time to look, and that you followed up on it. Thank-you.
I'll see if I can track it down.
I can't prove a negative, but I can say that I don't and never defended the neo Nazis in Charlottesville.

#47 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-19 02:10 PM | Reply

Have a good day, avigdore.

#48 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-19 03:23 PM | Reply

Punchy's link says it all, without some of the harsh language that causes loyal Democrats to become irrationally defensive.
The current economic trend began under Carter and the Democrats, not Reagan, though Republican propaganda makes it worse.
The Powell memo triggered a flood of business lobbyists in DC, who control and even write legislation we all live by.
Germany has a trade surplus and the US has a deficit. Wages have risen with productivity in Germany, unlike the USA. A representative for labor sits on every Corporate board in Germany. During a recession Germans work 30 hours per week instead of their normal 37 hours. They also enjoy national health insurance, secure retirement benefits, three times longer vacations and family leave. These are choices brought about through political actions. There is no reason the United States could not be as competitive, except the US business community has conspired to legislate lower taxes for exporting jobs among other nefarious things.

#49 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-05-20 09:46 AM | Reply

Just this once though I'll do your homework for you: - #44 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-19 01:43 PM
Danni, I appreciate you googling an article, I do. I'm not sure you read it, though. Admittedly the first bill, 1. American Jobs Act. may have improved employment possibilities, but that isn't true for the rest.
2. Buffett Rule. was just a tax increase.
3. Cap and Trade. would have hurt employment possibilities, not improved them.
4. DREAM Act. doesn't affect Americans.
5. Card Check may have made it easier to organize unions. This one woulnd't have improved employment possibilities, but almost certainly would have improved working conditions, but it also wasn't filibustered. The threat was made, but not carried out.
6. Emergency Senior Citizens Relief Act. would not improve employment possibilities.
7. Gun Control. would not improve employment possibilities.
8. Immigration Reform. Wasn't during the Obama presidency.
9. Minimum Wage Might have improved employment possiblities, but also may have hurt them. Different economists have differing opinions about the overall effect on employment of a raising minimum wage
www.google.com
10. The "Public Option." wasn't filibustered.
11. Prolonging Bush Tax Cuts. would not improve employment possibilities
12. Paycheck Fairness Act. would not improve employment possibilities

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to google the link, but it really doesn't demonstrate what you're claiming. Unless you were just using hyperbole and the republicans filibustering 'every bill proposed by Democrats which would have improved employment possibilities for working class Americans ' really just meant the 1 bill. And that wasn't just a Republican filibuster. It only received 50 of the 60 votes necessary. 'President Obama received a slap from members of his own party Tuesday as the Senate voted 50-49 to block his $447 billion jobs package.'http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/186877-senate-blocks-obamas-447-billion-jobs-plan

#50 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-20 09:59 PM | Reply

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