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Friday, May 18, 2018

Steven Brill: Lately, most Americans, regardless of their political leanings, have been asking themselves some version of the same question: How did we get here? How did the world's greatest democracy and economy become a land of crumbling roads, galloping income inequality, bitter polarization and dysfunctional government?

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As I tried to find the answer over the past two years, I discovered a recurring irony. About five decades ago, the core values that make America great began to bring America down. The First Amendment became a tool for the wealthy to put a thumb on the scales of democracy. America's rightly celebrated dedication to due process was used as an instrument to block government from enforcing job-safety rules, holding corporate criminals accountable and otherwise protecting the unprotected. Election reforms meant to enhance democracy wound up undercutting democracy. Ingenious financial and legal engineering turned our economy from an engine of long-term growth and shared prosperity into a casino with only a few big winners.

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What he means is how about 5 percent of Boomers, the moneyed elite and the corporate, broke America for their own gain, and he's right about that.

The rest gave us Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights, The Great Society, the moon landing, ended the War in Vietnam, and advanced technology at it's highest rate ever, among other things.

www.washingtonpost.com

www.pbs.org

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-17 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Every form of government tends to perish by excess of its basic principle. Aristocracy ruins itself by limiting too narrowly the circle within which power is confined; oligarchy ruins itself by the incautious for immediate wealth... But even democracy ruins itself by excess-of democracy. Its basic principle is the equal right of all to hold office and determine public policy. This is at first glance a delightful arrangement; it becomes disastrous because the people are not properly equipped by education to select the best rulers and the wisest courses... The upshot of such a democracy is tyranny or autocracy; the crowd so love flattery, it is so "hungry for honey," that at last the wiliest and most unscrupulous flatterer, calling himself the "protector of the people" rises to supreme power.

--Will Durant, The Story of Philosophy

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-05-17 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It wasn't so much Baby Boomers, but business leaders pushing back against the activist middle-class movements of the 1960s and 1970s ...

Who Stole The American Dream?
youtu.be

Hedrick Smith does a tremendous job connecting the dots in how we went from middle-class prosperity and a wealthy nation, to a disappearing middle-class and a dysfunctional nation that argues over who'll pay the national bills.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-17 07:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Ended the war in Vietnam?? Than who started the War?

The Greatest Generation??? Some things should be left unsaid, like anything coming from the Vietnam War, save for valuable lessons of what NOT to do.

Ending it should not be considered a success. Positive? Yes, but so was the ---- I took this morning. Clearly not a "success" to be touted for an entire generation of people, IMO.

#4 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-17 07:18 PM | Reply

Boo hoo, life's so bad here....

1 Out of Every 20 Americans Is Now a Millionaire: Report. The number of millionaires in the U.S. just hit an all-time high, a new banking report finds. In its annual report on the state of global wealth, Credit Suisse says 1.1 million new millionaires were created in the U.S. in 2017.Nov 14, 2017
Millionaire Population in U.S.: American Wealth Increases | Money

Riddle me this Batman[old 'boomer' pop reference]: How could this be happening if the younger generations are all so screwed by us Boomers?

#5 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-05-17 08:03 PM | Reply

Riddle me this Batman[old 'boomer' pop reference]: How could this be happening if the younger generations are all so screwed by us Boomers?

#5 | POSTED BY MSGT

Because all the good, solid, middle class manufacturing jobs that you and I grew up with in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s have all gone overseas following cheap labor, and when that happened the benefits attached to those jobs evaporated into thin air leaving American workers to fend for themselves ...

All the benefits of this change went to the business CEOs and shareholders who become exponentially wealthy with tax breaks and buying back company stock -- which to be called insider trading and illegal ...

And all that's left are for this generation are service-related jobs that don't pay as well and have no benefits ...

It's not motivation, it's inequality (and wealth inequality) ... the game is rigged -- if there were decent paying jobs with benefits in 2018 we would not being having this conversation.

Who Stole The American Dream?
www.youtube.com

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-17 08:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Riddle me this Batman[old 'boomer' pop reference]: How could this be happening if the younger generations are all so screwed by us Boomers?

Try reading the article.

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-17 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Riddle me this Batman[old 'boomer' pop reference]: How could this be happening if the younger generations are all so screwed by us Boomers?
#5 | POSTED BY MSGT

How many MORE poor people are around now that so many more Americans are reaching the $1 million, top 5% threshold? How many of those Americans finding themselves within that 5% started in poverty? Or even the middle class? How many finding themselves newly minted into the top 5% are nonwhites?

These are factors that you're not considering.

Try doing so for a more balanced perspective of reality in America.

#8 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-17 09:06 PM | Reply

- Ended the war in Vietnam?? Than who started the War?

The top 5 percent I mentioned started it, the youth, and eventually the people, stopped it, which was a dramatic and unprecedented success.

- 1 Out of Every 20 Americans Is Now a Millionaire

Thanks,Obama!

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-17 10:08 PM | Reply

As much as the older generations lack in compared to the up and coming generations, this article really baits the cross generational warfare/conflict divide.

2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA than any comparative time in the Boomer Years, apart from maybe 1969 and 1998-2000

#10 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-05-17 10:16 PM | Reply

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2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA than any comparative time in the Boomer Years...

Why?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-05-17 10:51 PM | Reply

= Why?

Gono got laid in 1969 and 1998-2000, and Trump is Pres in 2018.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-17 11:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

this article really baits the cross generational warfare/conflict divide.

There are multiple lines of evidence that the Boomers are leaving their children and grand children less better off than they were.

And it will likely get worse as millenials age and lack the ability to invest, own property ect that makes retirement a possibility.

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:12 AM | Reply

2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA

blah blah blah

what flavor is that kool aid?

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:13 AM | Reply

2018 peace and prosperity.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-05-18 11:45 AM | Reply

2018 peace and prosperity.

#15 | Posted by visitor_

Fine. The 1% got their "welfare" with the Great Tax Scam of 2018.

Now what about the People?

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-18 06:15 PM | Reply

The rest gave us Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights, The Great Society, the moon landing, ended the War in Vietnam, and advanced technology at it's highest rate ever, among other things.

#1 | Posted by Corky

Do you get credit for ending an unnecessary war that you also started?

If you set my car on fire I'm not going to thank you for putting it out.

They also created the winner-take all economy, the second gilded age, total corporate capture of government, the destruction of unions, the moving of all economic advancement to the upper class, the destruction of public education, the insane costs of healthcare, unaffordable college, bank schemes to rip off the working class...

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 07:07 PM | Reply

2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA than any comparative time in the Boomer Years, apart from maybe 1969 and 1998-2000

#10 | Posted by GOnoles92

Unless you need the buy a home, healthcare, or college, unless are black, are in the military, are shot at your school...

Maybe you mean it's a better time FOR YOU?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 07:08 PM | Reply

As much as the older generations lack in compared to the up and coming generations, this article really baits the cross generational warfare/conflict divide.
2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA than any comparative time in the Boomer Years, apart from maybe 1969 and 1998-2000

#10 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

No, I think the absolute raping the older generation gave the younger generation "baited" the cross generational warfare/conflict divide. This article just points out why we hate the Baby Boomers.

2018 is not a better time for people under 40. Wages haven't kept up but education and medical costs have sky rocketed. Financially we are screwed thanks to the idiot Baby Boomers.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 07:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Maybe you mean it's a better time FOR YOU?

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

It means he doesn't ever have to leave his mom's basement now that Amazon delivers food to your door.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-18 07:13 PM | Reply

The boomers are the generation that discovered how much damage mankind was doing to the planet, and the generation that decided making money was more important than stopping it, leaving the damage for their kids to sort out.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Financially we are screwed thanks to the idiot Baby Boomers.

#19 | Posted by Sycophant

Baby Boomers did not start the fires. They have been always burning since the earth's been turning.

The place was a mess when we got here. I would like to think we have done some nice things for the planet. For instance we still haven't blown up the planet yet.

So there is that!

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-18 07:24 PM | Reply

Financially we are screwed thanks to the idiot Baby Boomers.
#19 | Posted by Sycophant
Baby Boomers did not start the fires. They have been always burning since the earth's been turning.
The place was a mess when we got here. I would like to think we have done some nice things for the planet. For instance we still haven't blown up the planet yet.
So there is that!
#22 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

That's not exactly true on both accounts.

First, Baby Boomers really did push tax cuts through while also pushing spending cuts on education. They helped run up the debt nationally and for students.

Second, the planet is still here but the younger generation is going to have to spend a LOT of money to make sure it stays around. Baby Boomers lit the fuse and we get to try to stop it...if they let us.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 07:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The oldest boomers were born in 1945. They were a bit too young to start the Viet Nam War, doncha think?

Viet Nam was started in 1954. The oldest Boomer at that time would have been 11 yrs old. They must have been some precocious 11 yr olds, eh.

The Viet Nam War ended in 1974. The oldest Boomers then were 29 years o Again, very precocious under 30 young adults.

What mathematical failures you confederacy of dunces are to blame the Viet Nam War on 11 yr olds.

#24 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-05-18 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The oldest boomers were born in 1945. They were a bit too young to start the Viet Nam War, doncha think?

Viet Nam was started in 1954. The oldest Boomer at that time would have been 11 yrs old. They must have been some precocious 11 yr olds, eh.

The Viet Nam War ended in 1974. The oldest Boomers then were 29 years o Again, very precocious under 30 young adults.

What mathematical failures you confederacy of dunces are to blame the Viet Nam War on 11 yr olds.

#24 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

You're right. The boomers ENDED vietnam. Then started one of their own 30 years later.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 07:55 PM | Reply

#17 |

Reading is your friend, not selective editing.

I said, What he means is how about 5 percent of Boomers, the moneyed elite and the corporate, broke America for their own gain, and he's right about that.

and The top 5 percent I mentioned started it, the youth, and eventually the people, stopped it, which was a dramatic and unprecedented success.

You can to continue to blame the majority of the generation for what they top tier did, and still does in your generation, or you separate the wheat from the chaff for the boomers like you do for your generation.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 08:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You can to continue to blame the majority of the generation for what they top tier did, and still does in your generation, or you separate the wheat from the chaff for the boomers like you do for your generation.

#26 | Posted by Corky

The majority is what put those values in place and elected that top tier to office. When that generation fired carter and elected reagan, that generation created reaganomics.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 08:17 PM | Reply

#24... God you are a Mathematical failure, OWS!

If the 1st Boomers were born in 1945, and the Viet Nam War started in 1954, those precocious Boomers were really only 9 years old, you old fool! Not 11.

#28 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-05-18 08:25 PM | Reply

#27 bingo.

And they've been largely responsible for every GOP pres since, who have only yelled "I know were torpedoing our children's future, full steam ahead!"

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If the 1st Boomers were born in 1945, and the Viet Nam War started in 1954,"

Vietnam could have been avoided if Woodrow Wilson had just listened to Ho Chi Minh when he was pimping the League of Nations in Paris after WWI.

WWI, people.

Anyway, we didn't start the draft in earnest for Vietnam until the mid-1960s.

According to the US Department of Labor, the Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 (VEVRAA) states, "A Vietnam era veteran is a person who
served on active duty for a period of more than 180 days, any part of which occurred between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975, and was discharged or released with other than a dishonorable discharge.
was discharged or released from active duty for a service connected disability if any part of such active duty was performed between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975.
served on active duty for more than 180 days and served in the Republic of Vietnam between February 28, 1961 and May 7, 1975."[1]

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 08:31 PM | Reply

#27

Well, thank you for Trump and GW, then!

It's not like it couldn't have been the top tier of your generation that facilitated their ilk.

- The majority is what put those values in place and elected that top tier to office.

And here I thought that politics was rigged by the "millionaires and billionaires" mostly of your generation now.

Methinks you want to have your cake, and eat it, too.

Blaming entire generations is easy, but thoughtless. Especially when you don't blame your own.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 08:32 PM | Reply

Today they blame the Boomers, yesterday it was the Millennials.

Get 'em coming and going.

To be fair, the Boomers have simply done a lot more, good and bad, but I'd say the balance is bad. Quality of life for blacks is frozen in time from the moment MLK died, and is in retrograde if you look at things like Voter ID and illegal racial gerrymandering by the GOP. A living wage is harder and harder to come by, pensions are practially non-existent, union membership has dropped by 2/3, as the prison population has grown far more, nobody can find the political will to fight global warming, health care remains an expensive inefficient beast.

Boomers did all that.

I won't shed too many tears for them when Republicans finally do cut their Social Security.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 08:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"2018 is a better time to be alive and living in the USA than any comparative time in the Boomer Years"

Meanwhile, in the USA,

"Charles Schwab's annual Modern Wealth Index finds most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have a financial plan." finance.yahoo.com

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 08:42 PM | Reply

It's not like it couldn't have been the top tier of your generation that facilitated their ilk.

I'm sure the top tier of millennial did support them.

The bigger issue is the majority of boomers who did support the GOP during their continued supply side train wreck over the past 30 or so years.

Starting in 2000, the numbers were pretty evenly split.

ropercenter.cornell.edu

However, boomers consistently vote for supply side, crazy ass repubs while younger voters overwhelmingly reject them.

ropercenter.cornell.edu

ropercenter.cornell.edu

ropercenter.cornell.edu

ropercenter.cornell.edu

Blaming entire generations is easy, but thoughtless. Especially when you don't blame your own.

Younger generations have clearly been voting against the nonsense that is sinking the US and skewing it towards the benefit of the upper upper class for the past two decades or so.

Which means your statement is largely nonsense whataboutism than anything else.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 08:49 PM | Reply

I won't shed too many tears for them when Republicans finally do cut their Social Security.

Hey, they watched the GOP load the gun but are currently holding it to their own heads while proclaiming they don't think it's loaded.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 08:50 PM | Reply

- Boomers did all that.

The top tier of Boomers did all that... much like the top tier of generations since has done the same... and worse.

The blame for what we have now is not generational, it is a matter of elite wealth buying the rules.... well, it was until we started talking about the Boomers.

Then it became the fault of those who embarrassed LBJ out of office and forced Nixon out... and stopped a war in unprecedented fashion.

We've yet to see the Fast Food MTV Gens to anything similar.

#36 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--most Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and don't have a financial plan

Maybe they ought to try living within their means. Tear up their credit cards, buy used cars, buy smaller homes, etc.

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-05-18 08:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Boomers broke the long GOP Pres cycle with Bubba... and helped with Obama... Trump is all yours, buddy.

Well, unless you want to admit that Bernie is right about the causation of our problems in all generations, not just yours.

#38 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 08:55 PM | Reply

#37

Thank you, Paul Ryan... and thanks for posting here!

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe they ought to try living within their means. Tear up their credit cards, buy used cars, buy smaller homes, etc.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

What makes you think they don't?

Oh, you just wanted to vent some old curmudgeon energy. Sorry. Carry on.r

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 09:07 PM | Reply

The Boomers broke the long GOP Pres cycle with Bubba... and helped with Obama... Trump is all yours, buddy.

What? The posted numbers don't support that. Not even a little.

As for Trump being mine, well I always knew you were an idiot but this is a new low of comprehension.

Well, unless you want to admit that Bernie is right about the causation of our problems in all generations, not just yours.

Millennials overwhelmingly vote for Dems, with margins increasing over the past few elections.

Boomers have consistently voted for the GOP over that same time frame.

The only criticism to be leveled at Millenials is that enough of them don't get out and vote to overcome the walking dead horde voting for the GOP.

Otherwise, you're just deflecting for some odd reason from the collective action of your generation.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 09:14 PM | Reply

"The blame for what we have now is not generational, it is a matter of elite wealth buying the rules..."

Elite wealth is increasingly generational. Poverty is increasingly generational.

Boomers did that too.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 09:21 PM | Reply

I think a lot of boomers feel defensive because they personally weren't part of the great boomer raids.

I get that. No one wants to take flak for something they didn't personally partake in.

But suck it up buttercups. Things are taking a significant downturn in many ways with much of it falling on generational lines. And I'm willing to bet those downturns will only get worse and more apparent as time goes on.

#43 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#43 | POSTED BY JPW

Well stated. NW

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 09:34 PM | Reply

--What makes you think they don't?

Does that fact americans are up to their eyeballs in debt give you a clue? You're no Columbo. Maybe Columbo's beagle.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-05-18 09:35 PM | Reply

Maybe they ought to try living within their means. Tear up their credit cards, buy used cars, buy smaller homes, etc.

#37 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I loathe the fact that such commonsense statements are actually newsworthy. NW.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 09:36 PM | Reply

"buy smaller homes"

Where's MadB to explain when you price homes by the square foot, they cost the same as 1960?

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 09:40 PM | Reply

Blaming entire generations is easy, but thoughtless. Especially when you don't blame your own.

#31 | Posted by Corky

My generation is the one that wants to save the planet but is being prevented from doing so by the boomers.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-18 09:40 PM | Reply

"I think a lot of boomers feel defensive because they personally weren't part of the great boomer raids."

Or in denial about how bad the past 40 years have been for America.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 09:42 PM | Reply

Or in denial about how bad the past 40 years have been for America.

#49 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Standard of living has only improved.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess I'm not shocked at the animosity being displayed here toward the boomers. Mostly because of who is doing the whining.

#51 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-18 09:47 PM | Reply

Speaking for baby boomers

SORRY🤢

#52 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-18 09:58 PM | Reply

#51 I take it you're a boomer?

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 09:58 PM | Reply

My generation is the one that wants to save the planet but is being prevented from doing so by the boomers.

#48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Your proposed solutions barely, at best, slow the rate of warming and in the process reduce the standard of living for hundreds of millions - pushing many from near-poverty to struggling to survive - and also creates all sorts of potential hazards that haven't even been studied yet - mass mining and disposal of toxic metals, like your favorite - cobalt, etc.

You down with ethanol?

Mowing down birds in vertical blenders known as 'wind turbines' ( yes, Laura, it happens and it's far more impactful because wind-farms are being erected in wilderness areas, where endangered birds tend to reside)?

Never mind the excessive carbon-inputed necessary to even create a hybrid or electric vehicle.

So, all of that is awesome in order to slow (assuming the computer models are even accurate - which is, at best, generous, given their track-record so far) the rate of warming, at best, by 1 tenth of 1 degree over the course of 100 years?

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 10:00 PM | Reply

I loathe the fact that such commonsense statements are actually newsworthy. NW.

Common sense is typically code for --------.

What if people are using credit to get by? There's currently a thread up about how roughly 50% of American households can't afford rent or food.

#55 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 10:05 PM | Reply

I get that, JPW, and it's a fair rejoinder.

But be honest - you know full well that our current debt culture encourages people to live outside their means.

"Home equity loan"

Endless deficits - debt about to exceed GDP - unfathomable unfunded liabilities...

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 10:13 PM | Reply

--There's currently a thread up about how roughly 50% of American households can't afford rent or food

Pure fundraising BS. If 50% can't afford rent then they are homeless. If they can't afford food, they are starving, not obese.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-05-18 10:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Aside from defense spending, wealthy people don't need ANYTHING the federal government provides. They want to take it back to what it was in the 1920's. Generating huge budget deficits or "starving the beast" is their modus operandi. It's working. The saddest part about is the press is on their side. Al Franken did a poll of the press and asked them if we should raise taxes to preserve social security, medicare and medicaid or should we keep taxes the same and cut the programs. The press said we should cut the programs by a 2 to 1 margin. The American people said we should raise taxes by a 2 to 1 margin.

#58 | Posted by danS at 2018-05-18 10:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#56 I don't deny that at all.

I know people who spend money like water and I know people who spend on necessity but still barely scratch by.

But the larger numbers show wages are flat lined, benefits are getting poorer and with the GOP tanking the ACA insured rates dropping and expenses rising.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 or they get by on credit and play the shuffle game with balances to squeak through month to month.

In any case you've become such a pathetic old cockbag I could care less what you think.

#60 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 10:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually obesity is related to starving. Poor people are relegated to eating crap, A decent meal cost more than a hot pocket . That's another reason food stamps should be for honest to god food.

Sorry taco bell.

#61 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-18 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But be honest - you know full well that our current debt culture encourages people to live outside of their means.
#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

A culture exacerbated by Congress. Solidified by the Republican POTUS. 2018 political reality in the U.S. You can't make this ---- up!!

#62 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-18 10:42 PM | Reply

"But be honest - you know full well that our current debt culture encourages people to live outside of their means.
#56 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Lenders encourage people to live outside their means, and the GOP makes it more painful to go bankrupt.

Where's MadBomber to explain how payday loans are good for the poor by letting them afford things they couldn't without credit?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 10:47 PM | Reply

JeffJ this is a serious question.

Do you think most people who are living paycheck to paycheck are living that way because they are living beyond their means?

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 10:48 PM | Reply

"Standard of living has only improved.
#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Flint, MI.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 10:50 PM | Reply

"Your proposed solutions barely, at best, slow the rate of warming and in the process reduce the standard of living for hundreds of millions - pushing many from near-poverty to struggling to survive - and also creates all sorts of potential hazards that haven't even been studied yet - mass mining and disposal of toxic metals, like your favorite - cobalt, etc. "

No, you're just making that up.
You can't point to any sort of economic feasibility study which supports what you're saying.

Like your ridiculous comment about wind turbines chopping up birds. As though no harm comes to birds from smokestack emissions. You make no attempt to discern if windpower is more or less harmful, you just point at a dead bird and everyone knows that's bad.

You are using arguments that work on the uniformed, which is probably why they worked on you.

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually obesity is related to starving. Poor people are relegated to eating crap, A decent meal cost more than a hot pocket . That's another reason food stamps should be for honest to god food.
Sorry taco bell.

POSTED BY BRUCEAZ AT 2018-05-18 10:30 PM | REPLY

Taco Bell is a great laxative. You don't gain weight at Taco Bell you lose it.

#67 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-18 10:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Standard of living has only improved.
#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Meanwhile, a living wage is harder and harder to come by, pensions are practically non-existent, union membership has dropped by 2/3, as the prison population has grown far more, nobody can find the political will to fight global warming, health care remains an expensive inefficient beast.

In case you still don't get it:
"Unfunded mandates."
Baby Boomers did that.
You hate that.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 11:06 PM | Reply

#43 |

ROFL! Post-Boomer Gens.... the generations that will never grow older, and in general, more conservative. Never become PJ O'Rourkes and Dennis Millers.

Ra Ra Ra!

None of that mitigates the fact in post #1. It was the top 5 percent that drove the politics in the latter part the Boomer gen, just as they do now, and just as they will in the future until the new gens get out of their Star Bucks and offa their butts and blogs and go out into the streets do something that the vast majority of the Boomers did in the 60's and 70's.

Bite on that and hold on.

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 11:07 PM | Reply

All the great liberals in our history up until recently have been Boomers, as have almost all the moneyed rwingers and corporate leaders who bought the politicians and the laws.

Again, the libs finally broke through with Bubba, and helped with Obama. And don't look now, but do you know what Bernie Sanders and Liz Warren are? The Boomers that you seem to despise and blame for your problems... which are really YOUR problems now and have been for years.

Take a lesson from those libs. Don't blame previous gens, get offa your ass and hit the streets, bitches.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-18 11:15 PM | Reply

Baby boomers did that.

Well That's fine. After the world was crippled in WWII we had a long time advantage.

But for Christ sake people don't blame our generation, step up to the plate or stfu.

Life has always been tough but a huge population on this earth lives on $3 a day. Yes the earth bounty can provide for us all so think forward.

#71 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-18 11:16 PM | Reply

You are using arguments that work on the uniformed, which is probably why they worked on you.

#66 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You are 100% confirmation bias. And you are projecting. Big time. I am WAY more open to opposing ideas than you've ever even considered.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:17 PM | Reply

Bite on that and hold on.

If you weren't such an intellectual light weight that might cut more than you think it does. Why?

One, because as usual you present other's words in place of your own then crow victory when those who have lives don't read every single link you C&P.

Two, blaming the top 5% for the voting habits of the other 45% who went along with them is, well, intellectually shallow. Color me surprised.

Three, you better link up for the "vast majority" comment regarding protests in the 60s and 70s, because I suspect you're spewing more ---- than an all Chipotle diet could provide.

In any case, keep holding up the idealistic days of the boomers as the reason why we shouldn't loathe them for what they've done when they became fat and lazy.

Oh wait, please do. I love watching people step in their own ----.

#73 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:18 PM | Reply

53

No, actually I'm a gen x

#74 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-18 11:18 PM | Reply

Bruce - My dad is a Boomer and he did everything right and he's the first to admit that his generation has extolled unimaginable financial hardship, to the point of insolvency, on younger generations.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:18 PM | Reply

No, actually I'm a gen x

#74 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Same here.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:20 PM | Reply

All the great liberals in our history up until recently have been Boomers, as have almost all the moneyed rwingers and corporate leaders who bought the politicians and the laws.

Holy ---- you're a bigger ------- idiot than I ever imagined. LOL

Again, the libs finally broke through with Bubba, and helped with Obama.

Typical boomer. "Help" with something and think it's yours.

Here's a hint, pumpkin. When they said you "helped" with something in the past it was to make you feel better because you did ----. You weren't supposed to take it seriously you pathologically insecure ----.

The Boomers that you seem to despise and blame for your problems...

I don't blame them at all. I even posted above regarding individuals vs the group.

Guess you're desperate enough to ignore that, which makes me wonder what you did to "earn" your cushy retired life in Naples. How many people did you ---- over for your own comfort? Why the guilt now?

which are really YOUR problems now and have been for years.

Considering the boomer control of government is only recently beginning to pass this is a particularly stupid comment.

Take a lesson from those libs. Don't blame previous gens, get offa your ass and hit the streets, bitches.

You're such a poseur. I'll bet you never set foot in a protest but are more than willing to take credit for their hard work like you pass off links as your own thoughts.

#77 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:25 PM | Reply

No, actually I'm a gen x

Ok.

You disagree with the premise of the article? You don't think bombers have royally f'd up what they were given?

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:28 PM | Reply

#77 | POSTED BY JPW

Your mealy self-restraint is disgusting.

You'd be far more credible if you just spoke you mind freely, without any filters.

You're welcome.

:-)

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:28 PM | Reply

ou don't think bombers have royally f'd up what they were given?

#78 | POSTED BY JPW

I know it wasn't directed at me but I think the Boomer Generation has, on whole, been incredibly damaging.

That generation started off remarkably - Civil rights, tearing down of the reactionary politics of the '50's, etc.

Since then, it has been a slow-rot from within.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:33 PM | Reply

A huge segment of the Boomer Population idolizes Bill Ayers.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:36 PM | Reply

--All the great liberals in our history up until recently have been Boomers

The founding fathers were boomers? lol

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-05-18 11:39 PM | Reply

--All the great liberals in our history up until recently have been Boomers
----

The founding fathers were boomers? lol

#82 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Come on! Jefferson and Bernie Sanders are almost perfectly allied!

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-18 11:43 PM | Reply

#78 what they were given

Nothing's given pal.

The earth is bountiful, this business that we need more people to grow is --------.

We fulfilled the Lord's mandate to go forth and multiply.

Now just sustain.

#84 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-18 11:44 PM | Reply

Like I said, step up to the plate and quit blaming what us grandpa's did.

I ain't that thrilled with Carnegie.

#85 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-18 11:47 PM | Reply

Your mealy self-restraint is disgusting.
You'd be far more credible if you just spoke you mind freely, without any filters.
You're welcome.
:-)

#79 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yeah, well when I feel like someone is dodging an obvious truth for self-conscious reasons I tend to push harder.

Point taken though.

Cork, my apologies. Seriously.

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-18 11:53 PM | Reply

"I know it wasn't directed at me but I think the Boomer Generation has, on whole, been incredibly damaging. "

You do?
Then what's the point of statements like
"Standard of living has only improved.
#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-18 11:57 PM | Reply

Since then, it has been a slow-rot from within.

#80 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I don't think they were the ones that started it, though.

They just normalized it and jacked it up with steroids such that even members of Reagan's staff have come out and criticized the current version of Reaganomics as a perverted overreach.

#88 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-19 12:00 AM | Reply

Come on! Jefferson and Bernie Sanders are almost perfectly allied!

#83 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Well, Sanders is almost old enough...

#89 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-19 12:01 AM | Reply

Sorry, not feeling it.

#90 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-05-19 12:06 AM | Reply

Bernie Sanders and Jefferson.

Yeah, when is Bernie going to free his slaves.

#91 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-19 12:08 AM | Reply

"How did the world's greatest democracy and economy become a land of crumbling roads, galloping income inequality, bitter polarization and dysfunctional government?"

Hillary.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-19 12:09 AM | Reply

Sorry, not feeling it.

#90 | POSTED BY MSGT

Shocking.

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-19 12:11 AM | Reply

What are the characteristics of the baby boomer generation?
Baby Boomers' Important Characteristics
Strong work ethic. Baby boomers aren't afraid to put in a hard day of work. ...
Self-Assured. This generation is independent and self-assured. ...
Competitive. Baby boomers like competition. ...
Goal-centric. ...
Resourceful. ...
Mentally focused. ...
Team oriented. ...
Disciplined.

Oh someone like Trump.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-19 12:16 AM | Reply

That list is as much a pile of ---- as Trump is a representative of it.

#95 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-19 12:20 AM | Reply

#92 Well maybe democracy isn't the answer. Ceaser built roads and aquaducts, Hitler built the autoban Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Say what you want, these people got things done☺

#96 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-05-19 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#95 Couldn't resist sharing the stinky fruits of that google search.
Like we were taught to worship the Greatest Generation, and still do so as adults in Spielberg glory, so it is with kids today and the Boomers.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-19 12:29 AM | Reply

The author identifies many unfavorable outcomes in our society and tied them correctly to monopoly control of our Government by the 1%. But, the core values that made America great include slavery, the use of force and superior weapons and other technology to overwhelm and destroy competing civilizations. Permanent destruction of the environment has been re-established under Trump and Pruit, a topic rarely thought of during the formation of our country.

#98 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-05-19 06:11 AM | Reply

Doooooom glooooooom the whirrrrrled is going to hell in a basket made out of recycled bags.... haaaaalp!

Get over it people for all the problems we solved new one's were born... that's how it works... really the biggest accomplishment was not nuking ourselves into extinction with the crap our parents left us to clean up!

it is really very very VERY simple.... to solve problems we create bigger problems...

cures, preventions, treatments of infectious diseases = population explosion

address the problems of starvation = population explosion

population explosion is our gift
currently we are integrating and assimilating... its gonna get scrappy

#99 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-05-19 07:43 AM | Reply

#86 | POSTED BY JPW A

Dude, I was totally clowning with my post.

#100 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-19 09:39 AM | Reply

Dude, I was totally clowning with my post.

I know. Jokes usually have a kernel of truth at their center.

I was over the top and being a giant ------- so...

#101 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-19 03:07 PM | Reply

- being a giant -------

Different day, same postage.

There hasn't been a Boomer born in well over 50 years, so some people need to stop assigning blame and start accepting responsibility.... and my above posts were more to the actual lib posters blaming any generation other than their own, not you.

You know, the ones who blame the elites of their gen, but not the elites of mine.

As far as what I did in the late '60's and early '70's, you obviously have no clue. I protested the war, voted for McGovern along with Bill and Hillary, who ran his campaign in my state, and along with Bernie Sanders and many others who may have fought a losing cause in the voting both as Nixon won in a landslide, but who won on the streets and in the hearts of the Silent Majority who finally acquiesced to end the war and force Nixon out of office.

We watched our liberal heroes shot down in the streets for their beliefs, including one President and his brother who would have been President has he lived long enough to be nominated.

When other gens have that in their resumes, maybe they can talk. Otherwise, they need to be out on the streets demanding justice and in the voting booths willing to take the best real alternative rather than sitting at home sniveling that they can't get everything they want NOW.

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-19 03:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Corky,

that whole post is a rationalization, nothing more. You're taking far too much credit for what you didn't do.

And none of it changes the clearly broken society, economy and government boomers are going to pass off to their children.

You personally may not be responsible for it, but you can't deny reality.

#103 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-20 01:54 AM | Reply

Late to this party but I will post my obligatory truth. It isn't the Boomers, it's not a generatonal thing, it's a f*****g class war and always has been. I am just so tired of the liars trying to have us forget that and be manipulated to believe it is a generational thing. Sorry, I refuse to be so used.

#104 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-20 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"A huge segment of the Boomer Population idolizes Bill Ayers."

Bill Ayers did far less damage to America than did Nixon, Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2 or Trump.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-20 01:30 PM | Reply

- it's not a generational thing, it's a f*****g class war, and always has been

Thank you. Some of our local libs don't want to admit that.

- boomers are going to pass off to their children.

There hasn't been a boomer born in over 50 years now, but the elite of each generation have always been there.... telling the naive that it, "isn't a class war thing".

#106 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-20 04:25 PM | Reply

"due process was used as an instrument to block government from enforcing job-safety rules, holding corporate criminals accountable and otherwise protecting the unprotected."

.....Scary stuff.

#107 | Posted by Tor at 2018-05-20 04:41 PM | Reply

There hasn't been a boomer born in over 50 years now

You keep saying this as if it matters.

The fact is when boomers came of age as far as leading (government, business, society in general...) they used that power to keep themselves in cushy positions while making everyone pay for it or pay more to achieve the same.

Much of it due to their insipid and prevalent view of everything as a business that exists solely to extract money and pay them well. The current business environment is awful, as is the education environment and government. Their tenure at the top has turned everything into a clusterf--- of greed and selfishness.

Now I know you'll claim that that's the actions of the elite (and everyone else is doing it toooooo), but the generation as a whole owns it when it comes to governance and the ripples that have emanated from that poor governance.

#108 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-21 09:58 AM | Reply

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