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Wednesday, May 16, 2018

According to federal court records, 300,000 registered voters, 9 percent of the electorate, lacked strict forms of voter ID in Wisconsin. A new study by Priorities USA, shared exclusively with The Nation, shows that strict voter-ID laws, in Wisconsin and other states, led to a significant reduction in voter turnout in 2016, with a disproportionate impact on African-American and Democratic-leaning voters. Wisconsin's voter-ID law reduced turnout by 200,000 votes, according to the new analysis. Donald Trump won the state by only 22,748 votes.

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[T]he Priorities USA study is consistent with a 2014 study by the Government Accountability Office, which found that strict voter-ID laws in Kansas and Tennessee reduced turnout by 2 percent, enough to swing a close election, with the largest drop-off among newly registered voters, young voters, and voters of color. ...

"Americans' fundamental right to vote is under attack by Republican governors and state legislatures around the country," said Guy Cecil, Chairman of Priorities USA. "Under the false pretense of combating voter fraud, Republicans are passing laws that make it more difficult and time-consuming for average citizens to participate in the democratic process."

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Thanks Russia.

#1 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2018-05-16 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Voter suppression is fundamental GOP strategery, and has been for years. The ;less people who vote, the better for them.

I mean, there are only so many people dumb enough to qualify as proxy voters for trillion dollar tax cuts for the corporate and wealthy elite. They couldn't elect a dog catcher by themselves, and scare tactics only work on the fearful.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-16 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Gerrymandering and cheating is par for the course in Walker's Wisconsin. What concerns me is that he can easily be beaten in November but none of the Dem candidates really stand out at this point.

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2018-05-16 02:59 PM | Reply

If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting.

#4 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-05-16 03:05 PM | Reply


@#4 ... If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting. ...

I don't remember seeing an intelligence test for voting in the Constitution. Perhaps you can cite the section you speak of?

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-16 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

but the DMV in Milwaukee rejected his application because the name on his birth certificate read "Eddie Junior Holloway," the result of a clerical error when it was issued. Holloway ended up making seven trips to different public agencies in two states and spent over $200 in an attempt to correct his birth certificate, but he was never able to obtain a voter ID in Wisconsin. Before the election, his lawyer for the ACLU told me Holloway was so disgusted he left Wisconsin for Illinois.

So let's get this straight, the guy is 58 and is just figuring out his birth certificate was typed out incorrectly when he was born. And this is supposed to mean that 200,000 votes (that would have gone to Hillary no less) were not allowed which btw in some way cost her the election.

In which chapter of her book is this excuse?

#6 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-16 03:20 PM | Reply

@#4 ... If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting. ...
I don't remember seeing an intelligence test for voting in the Constitution. Perhaps you can cite the section you speak of?

#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-05-16 03:08 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

It's in section 21 part 13: Common ---- sense.

#7 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-16 03:22 PM | Reply

So let's get this straight, the guy is 58 and is just figuring out his birth certificate was typed out incorrectly when he was born. And this is supposed to mean that 200,000 votes (that would have gone to Hillary no less) were not allowed which btw in some way cost her the election.
In which chapter of her book is this excuse?

#6 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

No, this is likely the first time he had any issue with it. How is that difficult to understand?

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

@#4 ... If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting. ...
I don't remember seeing an intelligence test for voting in the Constitution. Perhaps you can cite the section you speak of?
#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-05-16 03:08 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1
It's in section 21 part 13: Common ---- sense.
#7 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

If that were a requirement, we wouldn't have any Republicans.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 03:24 PM | Reply

If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting.

#4 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Explain to me why people should have to do extra work to exercise the most basic right in ALL of Democracy/Republic? A right so fundamental that nothing else is even close to its importance? A right so basic that it literally is not Democracy/Republic without it?

Seriously, I have to write Democracy/Republic because some Conservatives are too stupid to understand there is no fundamental difference when discussing things this broadly...

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 03:27 PM | Reply

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No, this is likely the first time he had any issue with it. How is that difficult to understand?

#8 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-05-16 03:22 PM | FLAG:

Wrong numbnuts, he tried to correct it 4 times he said. Hey but why waste an opportunity Syc, I'm sure you could come up with racism from some republican had something to do with this one. You are slipping.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-16 03:28 PM | Reply

"If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting.
#4 | POSTED BY SAWDUST"

It's always nice when right wingers don't sugarcoat it.

So I'll return the favor. You support disenfranchising likely Democrat voters people by any means necessary.

You want to strip voting rights from eligible voters because it helps your side stay in power.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 03:30 PM | Reply

"strict voter-ID laws, in Wisconsin and other states, led to a significant reduction in voter turnout in 2016, with a disproportionate impact on African-American and Democratic-leaning voters."

^
This is why voter ID is supported nearly unanimously by the right.

And by libertarians, and other so-called independent voters.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 03:42 PM | Reply

Wisconsin, I used to be proud to be here, not so much the last 4 years.

#14 | Posted by bat4255 at 2018-05-16 03:49 PM | Reply

The solution to protecting your rights is eternal vigilance. The fault I find with the progressive possession is they view themselves as helpless. OK, here is how we have solved most objections. Anyone with a birth certificate or prof of identity can get a state ID, free if need be. Even a police arrest record is acceptable. High School Year books have been used. All state IDs are issued at the DMV, and only about 2% of the population is beyond 20 miles from one- that is something considering how wide open west Texas is. When you file, you have the opportunity to register to vote. Voter's registration is on the same form. If the individual can't read, the clerk will fill it out for them by verbal dictation. Anyone can, it takes a car ride and about an hour waiting in line, less than 5 minutes to file. Voter's registration cards are sent out yearly to the voter's address. If you have a utility bill you can use that to prove residence in a voting area. In short, it is the eligible voter's responsibility to register, and make sure they are registered. Any group that has power will do with the voter roles what they will. I have seen voter fraud first hand. fraud depends on on inaccurate roles and carrying names of dead people and those who have moved or so apathetic they never vote. Both parties are guilty. I think it was Monroe who told us never to trust anyone with power. If you want to buy a gun, the paperwork is much more demanding. The vote is made by those who care enough to show up and make sure they are registered.

#15 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-16 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I hold the various democratic party divisions responsible. Gooper-driven voter suppression/disenfranchisement has been going on in serious fashion since at least 2000, and the dems have done basically NOTHING to challenge the practice.

If the dems wake up and smell the napalm, mebbe they'll get my active support again.

#16 | Posted by contrecoup at 2018-05-16 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you want to buy a gun, the paperwork is much more demanding. The vote is made by those who care enough to show up and make sure they are registered.

#15 | Posted by docnjo

A gun is a deadly weapon. It SHOULD require more "paperwork" than voting.

Maybe we should all just take our guns to the polling place to prove we are real Americans.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-16 04:38 PM | Reply

"If you want to buy a gun, the paperwork is much more demanding."

Yeah, and you think the paperwork is too restrictive.

But there's no barrier to voting you find too restrictive.

Get it?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#18 | Posted by snoofy, Nope, I don't complain about registering guns when I buy one. It might discourage the straw buyers and convicted felons from buying one on the market. BTW, I have guns in my house that are not registered to me- They belonged to my father, before the state took guardianship. I have also bought firearms from individuals, nether require a background check. But it is a felony to knowingly provide a felon with a firearm and it is a felony for a convicted individual to have one. Perhaps we could start by enforcing the laws already on the books?

#19 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-16 05:17 PM | Reply

"Perhaps we could start by enforcing the laws already on the books?"

Again the double standard.

Why not just enforce the laws on the books when it comes to voting?
Why roll out this newfangled Voter ID?
You don't even see it, which is kind of amazing, because I know you're not dumb.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 05:32 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by snoofy Voter ID became an issue when we started to have 10% of the population here illegally. Here are the simple facts, If an individual has no government issued identification, they are in violation of the law- round here. The police can ask one question, "who are you?" to anyone. They have to prove what they say. Do illegals vote in California? Do they vote in Texas? The answer depends on who you ask. Some say more than enough to give Hillery the popular vote.

#21 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-16 06:00 PM | Reply

Some say more than enough to give Hillery the popular vote.

#21 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-05-16 06:00 PM | FLAG:

People say lots of things, Gomer. Proving them is another matter entirely.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-16 06:10 PM | Reply

"Posted by snoofy Voter ID became an issue when we started to have 10% of the population here illegally."

That doesn't explain why enforcing the existing laws doesn't work.

You don't even know what the existing laws are, which is understandable, since they vary from state to state.

Basically, they played on your xenophobia to sucker you into believing a fear-based argument with zero facts to support it.

And you don't seem to realize it, which is surprising, because I know you're not actually dumb.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 06:11 PM | Reply

"Here are the simple facts, If an individual has no government issued identification, they are in violation of the law- round here."

When I was a boy, people like you used to explain to me the difference between the USA and the USSR is that in Russia, you have to show your papers when you want to travel.

Now, you support having to show your papers whenever the State demands it.

What happened to you???

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do illegals vote in California? Do they vote in Texas? The answer depends on who you ask."

Is Obama born in Kenya?

The answer depends on who you ask.

I guess you want to play it like there are two sides to the issue and both have valid arguments, is that how this is going down?

You're smarter than this.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 06:19 PM | Reply

You're smarter than this.

#25 | Posted by snoofy

Apparently he is not.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-16 06:29 PM | Reply

They have to prove what they say. Do illegals vote in California? Do they vote in Texas? The answer depends on who you ask.

#21 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Correct! If I ask a Conservative who no actual knowledge of voting, voting statistics, studies or any prosecutions, the answer is they do vote. If I ask ANYONE with the smallest bit of knowledge, the answer is No.

Sad huh?

#27 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 06:38 PM | Reply

"The answer depends on who you ask."

Yeah, either lying Republicans or honest people. They have investigated over and over and never been able to confirm any widespread voter fraud, either from Americans or illegal immigrants. Most of the cases I've read about were Republicans voting in two polling places.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Most of the cases I've read about were Republicans voting in two polling places.

#28 | Posted by danni

Yeah.. but what if they WERE Democrats?

-JeffyJism

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-16 07:24 PM | Reply

Anyone with a birth certificate or prof of identity can get a state ID, free if need be.

#15 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

And? We know for a FACT that Voter ID laws suppress votes. We also know for a FACT that they don't solve any real problem with voting illegally. These are two indisputable facts. There is not a single study that shows a large number of illegal votes cast in person at any election in this country.

Until you can show me that they solve an actual real world problem rather than an imaginary one, it doesn't matter how easy it is to get an ID as long as it suppresses the vote.

But if the problem Voter ID solves for is as serious as you say, all you have to do is show me some real evidence of people voting en masse illegally. SHOW US these illegal voters. Because no one seems to be finding them anywhere.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Republicans suppressing voters, without the voters immediate knowledge, was done openly in Florida in 2000. There was no penalty for this crime so they have continued with these abd other pra tices, all equally vile,

Compare this to Australia, where they fine you $10 if you do not vote and where EVERYONE is fully vested in their employers retirement program on their first day of work.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-05-16 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you are not smart enough to get an ID you probably should not be voting.

#4 | Posted by sawdust

I'd love to see how trumps base scores on an IQ test. If you can't recongize an obvious con man when you see one, you shouldnt be helping pick the president.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-16 08:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd love to see how trumps base scores on an IQ test.
POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

At the most simple level, Republicans are a group of voters who are able to figure out the process to get an ID to vote.

Democrats? Notsomuch. Apparently getting an ID is confusing or triggering to some Dem-folks.

#33 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-05-16 08:22 PM | Reply

At the most simple level, Republicans are a group of voters who are able to figure out the process to get an ID to vote.

Democrats? Notsomuch. Apparently getting an ID is confusing or triggering to some Dem-folks.

#33 | Posted by GOnoles92

You mean republicans are people who have IDs because they were born into the right families. And they're too stupid to imagine why it might be hard for someone else to get one. Well their base is. Their strategists aren't.

If republicans were actually concerned about voter fraud, they'd crack down on mail-in ballots where far more fraud occurs. But those votes favor repubs, so they don't touch it. They con suckers into believing in-person vote fraud is a problem simply to make it harder for democrats to vote, since their ideas can't win elections on a level playing field.

So are you one of the smart republicans who realizes you need to cheat to win, or one of the stupid republicans who think in-person vote fraud is actually a problem?

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-16 08:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Apparently getting an ID is confusing or triggering to some Dem-folks."

Apparently you're okay with disenfranchising those Democrats.
Am I correct in making that inference, or ware you not okay with disenfranchising them?

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 08:48 PM | Reply

so, we are to assume the suppressed Black Voter was going to vote for Hillary?

Dems have been suppressing the Blacks for decades

#36 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-05-16 09:04 PM | Reply

Ho about those Bernie voters!! suppressed you bet

hypocrites

#37 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-05-16 09:07 PM | Reply

Yet again the right proves that it's patriotism is as hollow as it's morality, it's Christianity and it's love of freedom.

#38 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 09:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#36 I like this angle.
"The vote was suppressed, but it was Democrats that did it!"
I hope to hear this "argument" advanced by the usual suspects in every thread now.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 09:25 PM | Reply

so, we are to assume the suppressed Black Voter was going to vote for Hillary?

#36 | Posted by Maverick

That's what republican strategists were assuming, which is why they worked so hard to keep them from voting.

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-16 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#23 | Posted by snoofy Xenophobia is just a straw man argument.I have lived with, worked with and served with Hispanic people my entire life. Had a Latina who I considered marring until she had an attack of sanity and went back to her ex-husband. The question is one of law. Do we allow people who break our laws, use our services, and drive down wadges to receive the benefits of citizenship? It makes the people who enter legally look stupid. Can we say who we want to enter this country? We have enough poor, ignorant and noncompetitive living here now. Honestly, if an individual can't make it in Mexico, how much better is he going to do in this country?

#41 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-17 11:08 AM | Reply

#30 | Posted by Sycophant Bo we really want people who have the ability to buy groceries, pay utilities and rent, go to get medical care, yet not have the ability to register and vote? Maybe voting isn't important to some people. With less than half the eligible voters actually casting votes, it seems that is the bigger problem.

#42 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-17 11:15 AM | Reply

"Anyone with a birth certificate or prof of identity can get a state ID, free if need be"

And what of the costs to acquire those items?

The central lie remains a mind-boggling conceit: Suppressionists want you to believe they can add an additional barrier to voting...and it won't be an additional barrier to voting.

In reality, the suppresstionists know a certain percentage will find any additional hurdle a bridge too far, and literally count on it. Requiring folks accidentally taken off the ballot to come back in within a week with proof of residency removes XXXXX folks, Real ID will remove XXXXXX folks, closing these polling places will remove XXXX votes, etc.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-05-17 12:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"(Do) we really want people who have the ability to buy groceries, pay utilities and rent, go to get medical care, yet not have the ability to register and vote?"

That depends: Are they citizens? Do they pay ANY taxes?

If yes and yes, yes.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-05-17 12:10 PM | Reply

"The question is one of law. Do we allow people who break our laws, use our services, and drive down wadges to receive the benefits of citizenship? "

Through Voter ID, we don't even allow citizens the benefits of citizenship.

And you like it that way.

Because you don't like democracy, when people votes for democrats.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 12:45 PM | Reply

"The vote is made by those who care enough to show up and make sure they are registered."

And by those who jump through the hoops to acquire an acceptable government issued ID completely unrelated to the process of voting or the purpose of voting.
Don't forget that part.
That's the secret sauce in your voter suppression recipe!

GoNoles and Docnjo are in favor of disenfrancishing people this way.
There's got to be more, don't be shy.
Say it loud, say it proud, I'm a right-winger and I support making it harder for minorities and the poor to vote!

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 12:56 PM | Reply

You mean republicans are people who have IDs because they were born into the right families. And they're too stupid to imagine why it might be hard for someone else to get one. Well their base is. Their strategists aren't.
If republicans were actually concerned about voter fraud, they'd crack down on mail-in ballots where far more fraud occurs. But those votes favor repubs, so they don't touch it. They con suckers into believing in-person vote fraud is a problem simply to make it harder for democrats to vote, since their ideas can't win elections on a level playing field.
So are you one of the smart republicans who realizes you need to cheat to win, or one of the stupid republicans who think in-person vote fraud is actually a problem?

#34 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-05-16 08:31 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1 | NEWSWORTHY 1

Republicans can get ids and Dems can't because republicans were born into the right families? That's a new one.
Bottom line is if you can't vote in this country and you are a citizen you are a complete moron. The example in this thread (and an actual example is very rare) smells like BS. If dems and blacks are so disinfranchised how come they all came out for Obama with no problem? Bunch of playground children making excuses why you lost in kickball.

#47 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-17 01:30 PM | Reply

"Bottom line is if you can't vote in this country and you are a citizen you are a complete moron."

So you're in favor of disenfranchising morons.

Fishpaw, Docnjo, and Gonoles are in favor of preventing eligible voters from voting.

Who else?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 01:34 PM | Reply

"If dems and blacks are so disinfranchised how come they all came out for Obama with no problem?"

Because Wisconsin didn't have Voter ID in 2008 and 2012.

Congratulations, you figured out the purpose of voter ID: to disenfranchise dems and blacks!

Congratulations, from your own reasoning you deduced that it is effective!

Congratulations, you support this policy specifically because it effectively disenfranchises dems and blacks!

At least be man enough to admit it.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 01:45 PM | Reply

#30 | Posted by Sycophant Bo we really want people who have the ability to buy groceries, pay utilities and rent, go to get medical care, yet not have the ability to register and vote? Maybe voting isn't important to some people. With less than half the eligible voters actually casting votes, it seems that is the bigger problem.

#42 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

I'm sorry, were you trying to make a point?

Voter IDs don't solve anything but they do lead to lower voter turn out and stop others from voting completely.

Why did you dodge the question: Give me a problem that voter ID actually solves and that is actually happening. No hypothetical illegal voting. Show us illegal voting is happening and could be stopped with Voter ID.

#50 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-17 01:55 PM | Reply

"we really want people who have the ability to buy groceries, pay utilities and rent, go to get medical care, yet not have the ability to register and vote?"

That's what you want.

That's the point of voter ID.

One minor technical error to clear up thoigh: you mentioned "the ability to register."

That's not in play, since you've always had to register to be added to the voter rolls.

Voter ID is a way to prevent registered eligible voters from voting.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 02:04 PM | Reply

You can give your deflections, but the reality is it is the citizens responsibility to register and show up to the polls. There are plenty of things you can do to remedy what ever short comings that exist in the current situation. Offer rides on election day, get people registered, ensure that the voter rolls are current. Make sure dead people are removed,(prime source of vote fraud, those infamous absentee ballots). Why not remove names that haven't voted in over six years. That is a prime indication that these individuals have moved elsewhere. And now for the crux of the mater. Non citizens have no right to vote in our elections. You can't vote in Mexico and 2/3s of those illegally residing here are are citizens of that country. We also have Canadians, Russians, Easter Europeans, Irish, Chinese, Korean, etc. Every country in the world has the right to control of their borders but we are expected to accept anyone who shows up? I say no. About 75% of the American public agrees with me. The left has lost this fight years ago.

#52 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-17 03:27 PM | Reply

"You can give your deflections, but the reality is it is the citizens responsibility to register and show up to the polls."

You completely ignored the additional responsibility that Voter ID imposes.

Why did you deflect from that?

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 03:29 PM | Reply

"Offer rides on election day, get people registered, ensure that the voter rolls are current. Make sure dead people are removed,(prime source of vote fraud, those infamous absentee ballots). Why not remove names that haven't voted in over six years. That is a prime indication that these individuals have moved elsewhere."

None of that has anything to do with Voter ID.

Why the deflection?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 03:34 PM | Reply

"And now for the crux of the mater. Non citizens have no right to vote in our elections. You can't vote in Mexico and 2/3s of those illegally residing here are are citizens of that country. We also have Canadians, Russians, Easter Europeans, Irish, Chinese, Korean, etc. Every country in the world has the right to control of their borders but we are expected to accept anyone who shows up?"

No, we only accept votes from people who have registered to vote.

You're arguing against a false position of your own contrivance.

Maybe... Could it be you've never voted so you don't know how any of this works? Disenfranchised due to a felony conviction perhaps?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 03:38 PM | Reply

You can give your deflections, but the reality is it is the citizens responsibility to register and show up to the polls. There are plenty of things you can do to remedy what ever short comings that exist in the current situation. Offer rides on election day, get people registered, ensure that the voter rolls are current. Make sure dead people are removed,(prime source of vote fraud, those infamous absentee ballots). Why not remove names that haven't voted in over six years. That is a prime indication that these individuals have moved elsewhere. And now for the crux of the mater. Non citizens have no right to vote in our elections. You can't vote in Mexico and 2/3s of those illegally residing here are are citizens of that country. We also have Canadians, Russians, Easter Europeans, Irish, Chinese, Korean, etc. Every country in the world has the right to control of their borders but we are expected to accept anyone who shows up? I say no. About 75% of the American public agrees with me. The left has lost this fight years ago.

#52 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

We are all dumber for having read your post.

Democrats are not suggesting letting everyone in who comes here. Prove me wrong.

Illegals aren't voting. Prove me wrong.

Or shut up. It's that simple.

#56 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-17 04:02 PM | Reply

We are all dumber for having read your post.#56 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-05-17 04:02 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Blaming reading his post for your stupidity is like Hillary blaming the Russians for her loss.

#57 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-17 04:13 PM | Reply

#56 Prove to us that getting an id for legal citizens is a difficult thing to do.

#58 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-05-17 04:14 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by Sycophant, Enter "Illegal aliens voting in American elections" on Google, you get 6,500,000 results. Maybe there is evidence you do not want to see.

#59 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-17 04:16 PM | Reply

"#56 Prove to us that getting an id for legal citizens is a difficult thing to do."

Read the article; the proof is there.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 04:16 PM | Reply

"Maybe there is evidence you do not want to see."

He's begging you for the evidence.
If you had any, you'd have smeared his face in it by now.

There's plenty of evidence this disenfranchises voters, but of course you want certain voters to be disenfranchised, so it's kind of hard to smear your face in your own success.

But you should at least take a victory lap, don't you think? You suppressed the poor lazy Democrat votes, just like you wanted. Celebrate, be happy, you're winning.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 04:21 PM | Reply

The only conclusion that I can come to is that Republicans are too stupid to use science or statistics. They KNOW that there is all this in-person voting fraud. But they just can't seem to find any smart people that know how to, you know, add numbers together and liberal elite things like that.

They even have control over ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT and STILL they can find no evidence of in-person voter fraud.

So, if they don't have the data, it is because Republicans are too stupid to collect put processes in place to collect the data.

#62 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-05-17 04:24 PM | Reply

Enter "Illegal aliens voting in American elections" on Google, you get 6,500,000 results.
#59 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-05-17 04:16 PM | FLAG:

But you can't actually present us with anything.

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-17 04:28 PM | Reply

Enter "Illegal aliens voting in American elections" on Google, you get 6,500,000 results. Maybe there is evidence you do not want to see.

#59 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Ok... I will play your game. I entered "the military is full of idiots" and got 3,820,000 results. Does that prove the military is full of idiots?

Sorry, I can't do this. This is just one of the most idiotic things I have heard someone say in a long time. Do you also think the internet is "a series of tubes"?

Hint... just because a lot of tin-foil hatted mouth-breathing Republicans post blogs on the internet about how the only explanation they can think of for their orange god losing the popular vote was that "illegals" must have been voting, does not make it true.

#64 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-05-17 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#64 | Posted by gtbritishskull, First you lied- there are 803,000 results for "the military is full of idiots", which is no news to me, I dealt with idiots daily for 20 years, just like anyone in any large organization. Some are "conceptually challenged". I do not even like Trump, mostly because he is rude and has no sense of civility. But I note a constant theme from the left, anyone who disagrees with any of the leftist orthodoxy is stupid. That is no foundation for communication, but it is the admission on the part of the left they have no real argument.

#65 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-18 08:37 AM | Reply

#62 | Posted by gtbritishskull, It would be great if voter fraud could fall under the review of the federal government, but alas, voter rolls are under the control of state governments and administered by county governments. All the most notorious areas infamous for rampant voter fraud are controlled by the Democrat party. Philadelphia, Chicago, St.Louis, Baltimore....

#66 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-18 09:47 AM | Reply

#56 Prove to us that getting an id for legal citizens is a difficult thing to do.

#58 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

It's not. It doesn't matter how easy it is. The mere fact that it suppresses votes is ALL that matters.

If it suppresses votes, we better have a damn good reason to implement it. And we don't.

#67 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 02:36 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by Sycophant, Enter "Illegal aliens voting in American elections" on Google, you get 6,500,000 results. Maybe there is evidence you do not want to see.

#59 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Google: "Elvis is still alive"

Does that prove Elvis is still alive?

#68 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 02:38 PM | Reply

But I note a constant theme from the left, anyone who disagrees with any of the leftist orthodoxy is stupid. That is no foundation for communication, but it is the admission on the part of the left they have no real argument.

#65 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

We ask for evidence if you are gong to do something. You can't provide it and do it anyway causing harm.

Yes, that is a consistent theme. And a damn good one.

#69 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 02:39 PM | Reply

#62 | Posted by gtbritishskull, It would be great if voter fraud could fall under the review of the federal government, but alas, voter rolls are under the control of state governments and administered by county governments. All the most notorious areas infamous for rampant voter fraud are controlled by the Democrat party. Philadelphia, Chicago, St.Louis, Baltimore....

#66 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

That's a lie. And there are election officials from BOTH parties at the polling stations.

There is literally zip for evidence of voting fraud in those areas. Zip. Nothing. Notta.

Just admit you don't have a SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE.

#70 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-18 02:41 PM | Reply

#70 | Posted by Sycophant, Don't be historically ignorant. Voter fraud in these cities are a well documented historic fact. Tammany Hall in NYC, the Daily machine in Chicago, New Orleans Democrat establishment, The St. Louis machine. Hell, JFK was likely elected by voter fraud in 1960, right after his dad made a tour of several cities making promises and large donations. Honestly, where did they find Republican poll watchers in Chicago in the last 75 years? Get out of your bubble, there is plenty of fraud in elections, especially primaries.

#71 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-05-18 04:47 PM | Reply

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