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Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Three military bases in Texas and one in Arkansas are being considered to house migrant children whose parents cross the border illegally, a sign that the Trump administration is moving forward with plans to separate families in the border crackdown. The Washington Post and the Hill reported Defense Department notifications to Pentagon staffers said the Department of Health and Human Services will make site visits to the bases over the next for week to evaluate whether they can shelter children.

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I guess now we know what John Kelly meant by "or whatever".

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-15 10:25 PM | Reply

Three military bases in Texas and one in Arkansas are being considered to house migrant children whose parents cross the border illegally, a sign that the Trump administration is moving forward with plans to separate families in the border crackdown.

Could be worse.

Trump could be separating them, then sending them to Buchenwald, Dachau, or Sachsenhausen.

Seriously though, this is effing shameful.

How can any Trump supporter condone this?

#2 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-15 10:34 PM | Reply

"How can any Trump supporter condone this?"

Easy.
They say the patents are unfit because they are engaged in illegal child trafficking.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-15 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"How can any Trump supporter condone this?"

Easy.
They say the patents are unfit because they are engaged in illegal child trafficking.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-15 10:47 PM | Reply

So this is terrible, but exploiting them for labor is ok?

Does anyone approve of them being hauled in the back of an 18-wheeler like cattle, and dropped off at a meat-packing plant to earn $5-$6 bucks an hour so that your chicken, beef, and pork prices stay low?

Or picking veggies 12 hours a day with no work safety protections, and sleep stacked 10 high in what amounts to lawnmower sheds?

You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue.

#5 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So this is terrible, but exploiting them for labor is ok?

Does anyone approve of them being hauled in the back of an 18-wheeler like cattle, and dropped off at a meat-packing plant to earn $5-$6 bucks an hour so that your chicken, beef, and pork prices stay low?

Or picking veggies 12 hours a day with no work safety protections, and sleep stacked 10 high in what amounts to lawnmower sheds?

You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue.

#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I agree.

Trump's gestapo tactics in dealing with immigration are deplorable ... and the old school-big business-Republican-mindet of exploiting illegal immigrants is just as bad.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-15 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue.

#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

I actually completely agree with you. 🐷 (What the? ...Was that a flying pig?)And of course Democrats care... so why are you telling US this?

Anyway did you know that they can make a hundred dollars here as opposed to maybe $5 a day in Mexico (if they are lucky enough to get a job). Or they can work for the drug cartels. Or run from them.

And in America employment rights apply equally to all workers, regardless of their immigration status. So it is already illegal. It is not enforced by some invisible agreement. Apparently.

And who is in charge of seeing that our laws are enforced?

I am gonna go with the Executive Branch.

And who controls the Executive Branch?

I think you can take it from there.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-15 11:21 PM | Reply

"And in America employment rights apply equally to all workers, regardless of their immigration status."

These people have no legal recourse because of fear, ignorance, and lack of legal documentation.
The employers know it and take advantage. You benefit at the grocery store. It has to stop.

Liberals should be surrounding these farms and processing plants and demanding change.
In fact, it should have been happening during Obama's entire term. Instead, we got some pencil policy to kick it down the road.

Now children are being separated from parents. This is what you get from crap temporary policy. But everyone expected Her Bitterness to win.
She didn't, therefore all that temp crap is being undone. Congrats Obama. Thank you democraps.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 11:33 PM | Reply

Now children are being separated from parents.
This is what you get from the greater evil.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 03:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Trump's threat to jail the parents is music to the ears of the private prison industry. Gee, what costs America the most money? Immigrants willing to do the jobs "Americans don't want to do" or paying a private prison to house them, incarcerate them for the crime of trying to survive in a world so much harsher than anything most of us have ever experienced. Every day I get a little more ashamed of America. Why don't we just get the F out of the ME and take our forces and civilize our own hemisphere. Spend in our hemisphere, do business in our hemisphere, wipe out gangs in our hemisphere, take out dictators in our hemisphere. If we are going to spend trillions, spend them close to home. Or else shut the hell up about illegal immigration (refugees). Many or most of the problems these people are escaping from were caused by us, like it or not.

#10 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 08:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Funny how things change, depending upon who is in the White House:
-Elian Gonzalez sent back to Cuba to be re-united with his father, despite the objections of Repubs and exiled Cubans
-Mexican kids separated from their parents and detained in US prisons, to the cheers of Repubs

Once again I'm glad the phony 'Christians' have lost their place in power in the US. Otherwise they would be prancing about, bloviating about how families SHOULD be separated, so as to keep these sneaky illegals out of our glorious country, because somehow that's what Jesus would insist happen...

#11 | Posted by catdog at 2018-05-16 08:34 AM | Reply

"-Elian Gonzalez sent back to Cuba to be re-united with his father, despite the objections of Repubs and exiled Cubans"

But who were quite happy to say "screw parental rights." From what I've read Eian grew up happy and well adjusted with his Dad despite the folks in Miami who really just wanted to use him for political purposes. They disgusted me at the time and still do.

"-Mexican kids separated from their parents and detained in US prisons, to the cheers of Repubs"

You said it, FAKE CHRISTIANS wanting to separate families, Jesus would have a heart attack. Hell, Jesus would be an illegal immigrant if he came here and they'd say "lock him up!"

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 09:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I LOVE it! Makes perfect sense...

Free Room and board - three squares a day and free medical treatment.

Those that turn 16 can be pitched that all the freebies can continue plus citizenship for a 4 year hitch in the U.S. Army.

That's why it's called the "INFANT"ry... seriously,

2000 years ago the Roman Army captured their enemies children and put them in the front lines to fight or die... usually both. If they survived, they could become regulars in the Roman Legion and citizens of Rome.

The old ways usually work the best.

As for Jesus... well they would have given him the needle in a prison bed.... that.... well, looks like a cross...

A bit more modern... but it gets you there in the end.

#13 | Posted by Pegasus at 2018-05-16 11:20 AM | Reply

So this is terrible, but exploiting them for labor is ok?
Does anyone approve of them being hauled in the back of an 18-wheeler like cattle, and dropped off at a meat-packing plant to earn $5-$6 bucks an hour so that your chicken, beef, and pork prices stay low?
Or picking veggies 12 hours a day with no work safety protections, and sleep stacked 10 high in what amounts to lawnmower sheds?
You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue.

#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Yes, you think it is okay. Your die hard defense of Trump and proclamation that both parties are the same proves it time and time again.

#14 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-16 12:04 PM | Reply

"You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue."

But you can if Trump tells you to. You'll pretend anything he wants you to.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 12:24 PM | Reply

I've been on AF bases [naturally], Army and Naval bases as well, and none have enough housing for Active Duty personnel stationed there which requires many military members to live offbase in the local community. Just where is all this housing coming from unless they plan to move even more military personnel out to give housing to these illegals?

#16 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-05-16 12:32 PM | Reply

You can't claim to care about these desperate people and support a policy to take children from their parents.

And here we are.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 12:41 PM | Reply

"Just where is all this housing coming from unless they plan to move even more military personnel out to give housing to these illegals?"

Well if Obama was still President your answer would be "FEMA camps," so why not stick with that answer?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 12:43 PM | Reply

"-Elian Gonzalez sent back to Cuba to be re-united with his father, despite the objections of Repubs and exiled Cubans
-Mexican kids separated from their parents and detained in US prisons, to the cheers of Repubs"

^
Worth repeating.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 12:45 PM | Reply

You can't claim to care about these desperate people and allow what amounts to slave labor to continue.

#5 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

What do you mean? I love Mexican food.

The younger the better.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-16 01:56 PM | Reply

Separating families and putting you in a box.

The Amerikkkan way.

#21 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-05-16 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They say the patents are unfit because they are engaged in illegal child trafficking."

I'm not a Trump supporter, but it works for me.

#22 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-16 02:27 PM | Reply

-it works for me.

Of course it does... the parents are seeking to remove their children from violent, exploitative environments, which obviously makes them bad parents.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-16 02:36 PM | Reply

"the parents are seeking to remove their children from violent, exploitative environments"

You don't know that. A person crossing the border smuggling a child across could be anyone.

Even if they are the parents, they're committing a crime. Do you get equally enraged over U.S. citizens who are arrested for a crime being separated from their children?

#24 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-16 04:59 PM | Reply

They're all guilty of the same crime...

What policy goal is served by separating them?

Can you explain that?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 05:02 PM | Reply

-You don't know that.

I do know that in a great number of cases that is true.

- U.S. citizens who are arrested for a crime being separated from their children?

Apples and oranges, deary. Children of US citizens are much more likely to have relatives and other local support. But hey, I get that if one doesn't give a frak in either case, then it doesn't really matter.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-16 05:07 PM | Reply

A person crossing the border smuggling a child across could be anyone.

Even if they are the parents, they're committing a crime. Do you get equally enraged over U.S. citizens who are arrested for a crime being separated from their children?

#24 | Posted by sentinel

When they go to prison. Not while they are receiving due process.

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-16 05:17 PM | Reply

2018 in the United States of America and this is an issue..it is horrible but the fact is that they're in marginally better circumstances, while in custody, than millions of our own native born kids. this is on the list, not last but not first either

#28 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-05-16 09:33 PM | Reply

Would these be the "FEMA camps" glenn beck warned us about?

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 10:43 PM | Reply

Alex,

When Obama was running things they were FEMA camps. Now, they are the YMCA, at least according to Beck.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 10:47 PM | Reply

Can someone please answer this question:

Beyond simple cruelty, what is the purpose of seperating these families if they are going to be deported to the same place anyway?

I'd really like to know the "logic" behind this move.

#31 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 10:54 PM | Reply

Can someone please answer this question:
Beyond simple cruelty, what is the purpose of seperating these families if they are going to be deported to the same place anyway?
I'd really like to know the "logic" behind this move.

#31 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

It's a learning and growing experience for the kids.

Adversity toughens all of us - what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, and all that.

When these kids reunite with their parents they are going to be fully prepared to absolutely rock it in tee ball.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 10:59 PM | Reply

It's not funny.

#33 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 11:01 PM | Reply

what doesn't kill us makes us stronger,

Not necessarily. It can also cripple you. Give you cancer. Leave you paralyzed. In a coma.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-05-16 11:03 PM | Reply

what doesn't kill us makes us stronger,
----
Not necessarily. It can also cripple you. Give you cancer. Leave you paralyzed. In a coma.

#34 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Frank Cotton subjects himself to all of that in the morning and then metes out far worse during the afternoon and evening.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 11:05 PM | Reply

#33 When those kids become adults they will be great events' planners for family reunions.

They ALREADY have a jump on a great career path!

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 11:09 PM | Reply

It's a deterrent for people who want to use children as an accessory to a crime.

If people have a legitimate claim to asylum, then they should be making it at either an embassy or a legal port of entry. If this deters people from putting their kids in a situation where they're undocumented or can't legally travel to or from the U.S. legally in the future, how is that bad?

Or do Democrats actually want "brown" kids to be undocumented? That's how they come across.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-16 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Or do Democrats actually want "brown" kids to be undocumented? That's how they come across.

They want illegal immigrants because they will vote--by 70% or more--Democrat, once the Democrats are in control and give them a quick and easy "path to citizenship. Legal immigrants aren't as reliable.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-05-16 11:36 PM | Reply

action.aclu.org

#39 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 11:44 PM | Reply

then they should be making it at either an embassy or a legal port of entry.

They are presenting themselves at a legal port of entry. That's where they are being separated.

#40 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-05-16 11:47 PM | Reply

#40, please provide link. Everything I've read so far that was linked to here refers only to people caught crossing the border illegally.

#41 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-05-16 11:56 PM | Reply

OK.

"This is happening on a daily basis," said Kathryn Shepherd, a lawyer with the American Immigration Council, a Washington-based advocacy group, who says she has testimony from dozens of asylum seekers denied access to U.S. asylum officials at border crossings in San Diego; Nogales, Ariz.; and Texas cities including Laredo, El Paso and McAllen.

The council and five other organizations filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security's Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties on Friday protesting the "systemic denial of entry to asylum seekers." The U.S. border agency -- Customs and Border Protection, or CBP -- is part of the department.

If a Border Patrol agent encounters a U.S.-bound migrant without ­legal papers and the person "expresses fear of being returned to their home country, our officers are required to process them for an interview with an asylum officer," said Friel.

www.washingtonpost.com

#42 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-05-17 12:39 AM | Reply

They are detaining asylum seekers and separating them from their children pending adjudication of their asylum claims. There is currently a processing backlog and a shortage of immigration judges.

#43 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-05-17 12:42 AM | Reply

A concentration camp for children?

When Trump shows his true colors he manages to outdo the Führer himself.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-05-17 06:20 AM | Reply

"It's a deterrent for people who want to use children as an accessory to a crime."

Sentinel wants the policy of the United States of America to involve threatening the children of would be undocumented immigrants. Horrific and inhuman.

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-17 03:00 PM | Reply

"It's a deterrent for people who want to use children as an accessory to a crime."

How about people who want to lead their children to refuge from a war zone.

It deters them too, right?

You don't want refugees coming to the US, right?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 03:05 PM | Reply

"They are detaining asylum seekers and separating them from their children pending adjudication of their asylum claims."

Clearly they are hoping to deter asylum seekers.

There's no other explanation.

At least Sentinel is man enough to acknowledge the reason for this policy.

Why can't the other right wingers simply be honest about it? Are they ashamed or something?

I get not wanting refugees to come here.
I don't get the dishonesty.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-17 03:10 PM | Reply

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