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Monday, May 14, 2018

Betsy DeVos, has effectively killed the team within the Department of Education (ED) charged with investigating for-profit college fraud and malfeasance, The New York Times reported. Former employees on the special team, which has now dwindled to three members, have been reassigned to different roles, according to The Times. The group expanded during the Obama Administration as a watchdog to investigate allegations of fraudulent practices in the for-profit college industry, emerging in the wake of closures of the largest for-profit institutions, like Corinthian Colleges and ITT Tech, amid claims the schools defrauded students.

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Betsy DeVos, has effectively killed the team within the Department of Education (ED) charged with investigating for-profit college fraud and malfeasance

How long will it be before Trump U can get back to fleecing thousands of students?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-05-14 04:30 PM | Reply

This is the part where right-wingers and Never Trampers explain that the Department of Education should never have been created in th first place.

With that deflection, they can studiously ignore the fact that the Department of Education under Trump is basically green-lighting graft.

Some will go the extra mile and say this demonstrates why government can't be trusted. Even as this untrustworthy government is being run by the political party they adore.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-14 04:51 PM | Reply

The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." - P. J. O'Rourke

#3 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-14 04:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How long will it be before Trump U can get back to fleecing thousands of students?

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-05-14 04:30 PM | Reply

A year, no more. It might have a slightly different name. We both know I'm not kidding. The smell of money overwhelms Donald, always.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-14 05:07 PM | Reply

Betsy DeVos buying her seat as Trump's Secretary of Education is one of the biggest tragedies of the Trump Administration.

And will hurt America for generations.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-05-14 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And will hurt America for generations."

That's the point, to hurt the poor for generations, make sure they are renters in Trump owned Section 8 housing for generations to come.

It's a generational wealth transfer program.

Never Trumpers refuse to see it, though.

Even when it's elected President.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-14 08:31 PM | Reply

Of all the crap Trump has done since being elected, this one has always bothered me the most. Look what has happened to the education in this country. Teaching to a test, getting rid of critical thinking skills, and eliminating the arts in education. It is all done because many idiots who have a kid in school believe they can do what a teacher does. People put in charge of schools think they know what's best because they once sat in a classroom.

What cracks me up the most is the people who claim that education is elitist also require a degree to get a job.

#7 | Posted by TheRef65 at 2018-05-14 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Of all the crap Trump has done since being elected, this one has always bothered me the most. Look what has happened to the education in this country. Teaching to a test, getting rid of critical thinking skills, and eliminating the arts in education. It is all done because many idiots who have a kid in school believe they can do what a teacher does. People put in charge of schools think they know what's best because they once sat in a classroom.

What cracks me up the most is the people who claim that education is elitist also require a degree to get a job.

#7 | Posted by TheRef65

In case you hadn't noticed, a dumber country serves republicans well. All they want is a manual labor workforce that can take orders from the rich.

A real education helps people see historical, sociological, scientific, and economic trends, none of which favors republicans.

There's a reason dumb people vote for trump. They're dumb.

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-14 09:50 PM | Reply

There's a reason dumb people vote for trump. They're dumb.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Trump has some dumb voters. But if you think he has anything remotely close to a monopoly on the market of dumb voters I have a bridge to sell you.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-14 09:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ovarian cancer is a kinder fate than i'd wish on this evil harridan

#10 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-05-15 01:38 AM | Reply

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"Trump has some dumb voters. But if you think he has anything remotely close to a monopoly on the market of dumb voters I have a bridge to sell you."

Sorry Jeff, that doesn't work as a defense for DeVos or Trump or Trump voters or you. DeVos is a dishonest, hateful, evil witch and Trump is too because he appointed her and tolerates her. And you are too because you defend them regularly, sometimes in disguised ways, as above, but still you do. You are a liar and a closet Trumpeter. You know it, we all know it. With Trump there is only for or against, you don't actually come down against so you are for him.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 08:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has some dumb voters. But if you think he has anything remotely close to a monopoly on the market of dumb voters I have a bridge to sell you.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

"WHATABOUT THE DEMOCRATS!"

-Dr.Falseequivlancy PhD

Show me masses of democrats all repeating false propaganda like science being fake or trickle down economics helping the poor.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 11:13 AM | Reply

With Trump there is only for or against, you don't actually come down against so you are for him.

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI

Does that mean you've changed your tune regarding his tariffs, Little Ms. Ad Hominem?

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 11:29 AM | Reply

#12

No matter what evidence I'd provide your answer would be "nuh uh!"

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 11:29 AM | Reply

"Does that mean you've changed your tune regarding his tariffs, Little Ms. Ad Hominem?"

No, I still support tariffs but I'm wondering if Trump does. He just bailed out a Chinse telecom company that violated sanctions and sold American technology to Iran. I honestly don't believe that he has any core beliefs, he just says whatever thought flows through his head. Got his tax cuts though right? And we get rising gas prices, see how that works?
Bush 3.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 11:32 AM | Reply

"With Trump there is only for or against, you don't actually come down against so you are for him."

That sounds a lot like this guy......

www.youtube.com

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-15 11:33 AM | Reply

So Jeff, what is your opinion about DeVos, you know, the subject of the thread?
Has any Democratic President ever appointed anyone as crazy? Who?
She will harm millions of students while folks like you play whataboutism.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 11:35 AM | Reply

"That sounds a lot like this guy......"

You post that in a thead about Betsy DeVos, a virtual terrorist in education. Trump appointed her. Some folks here voted for other than Hillary Clinton. They own Betsy Devos, she's the result of their votes. Take responsibility for your actions.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 11:37 AM | Reply

18

yeah....words were the same. It's funny.

Take responsibility for your actions. You said it...not me.

what actions of mine are you referring to that need to "take responsibility for"?

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-15 11:43 AM | Reply

Not really talking about you Eberly, some others though who still try and justify voting for Jill Stein, etc. I told them before the election that I would continue to rag on them about it forever and I do intend to do so, when I read about DeVos is just reminds me of how angry I really am about the Trump administration. DeVos is a disgrace.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 12:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

In Amerika it's called Kommon Kore...

It teaches the Hillary Youth Brigade to follow all orders given by their democratic leaders.

Hail Hillary.

#21 | Posted by Pegasus at 2018-05-15 12:19 PM | Reply

"Does that mean you've changed your tune regarding his tariffs, Little Ms. Ad Hominem?"
-----
No, I still support tariffs but I'm wondering if Trump does.

Then how do you square that with this:

With Trump there is only for or against...

#11 | POSTED BY DANNI

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 12:36 PM | Reply

Then how do you square that with this - #22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 12:36 PM
Hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

Show me masses of democrats all repeating false propaganda like science being fake or trickle down economics helping the poor. - #12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 11:13 AM
DNC stole the nomination from Sanders
Vaccines cause autism
Trump asked Russia to Hack HRC's server
Jones act prohibits foreign ships from delivering goods to Puerto Rico

#23 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-15 01:40 PM | Reply

#21, do you even know what Common Core was and is all about or are you just restating something you heard in your echo chamber. There are a lot of specialist who can tell you the good and the bad about the system but you don't want to hear it because it doesn't fit into your world view.

So since you're so against "Kommon Kore" please tell me what it does and why it's so bad? How about "No Child Left Behind," or "Race to the Top."

All of these programs come about because a lot of idiots believe they know how to teach and about education. They laugh at those who have chosen a career in teaching, telling them they are paid too much and are not worth the money. What all of these people don't understand is that, no, not everyone can be a teacher. It does take training to stand in front of a classroom and get kids interested in learning. Now we ridicule those who know how to teach as being elitist because it's much easier to put someone down than work to understand what they are doing. Almost everyone wants children to get a good education but nobody wants to pay for it or respect those who perform the task.

The reason there are programs such as Common Core, No Child Left Behind or Ract to the Top is because those with real experience in the classrooms are not being asked the questions on what does and doesn't work. Here's the problem with education in our country:

Secretaries of Education since 1990
1991 to 1993 - Lamar Alexander (No formal teaching experience)
1993 to 2001 - Richard Riley (No formal teaching experience)
2001 to 2005 - Rod Paige (PE Teacher and Coach, College Professor) - "No Child Left Behind"
2005 to 2009 - Margaret Spellings (No formal teaching experience) - "No Child Left Behind"
2009 to 2016 - Arne Duncan (No formal teaching experience) - "Race to the Top" / "Common Core"
2016 to 2017 - John King Jr. (Had actual teaching experience but served less than 1 year)
2017 to Present - Betsy DeVos (No formal teaching experience)

If there's a fire, you go to a fireman. If there's a crime, you go to a police officer. If you need a plane flown, you call a pilot. If you have questions about education, ask any idiot because they once sat in a classromm and knows what is better for the students instead of the professional...a teacher!

#24 | Posted by TheRef65 at 2018-05-15 01:52 PM | Reply

No matter what evidence I'd provide your answer would be "nuh uh!"

#14 | Posted by JeffJ

Try me. Show me democrats rejecting facts on a mass scale. Show me democrats scorning knowledge, intelligence, and education.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 02:18 PM | Reply

#25. meet #23.

#26 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-15 03:14 PM | Reply

#25 Who should I start with? Maxine Waters?

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#25 Who should I start with? Maxine Waters?

#27 | Posted by JeffJ

You're going to have to do better than finding one wacky quote from a democratic politician.
Find me masses of democrats spreading lies and rejecting facts like repubs do with climate change or trickle down economics.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 03:48 PM | Reply

"#25 Who should I start with? Maxine Waters?"

Compared to DeVos Maxine Waters is a fine public servant.

"Jones act prohibits foreign ships from delivering goods to Puerto Rico"

Who controls Congree and the WH? So, if that act does prevent delivering good to PR then why didn't they do something about it? Like repeal it?

#29 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-15 03:50 PM | Reply

Trickle down economics is a theory. I am not sure which lies you are referring to.

As for climate change, or more specifically, AGW, it is a scientific theory. ALL scientific theories are supposedly subjected to the Scientific Method. It's one thing to blabber that AGW is a scam. On that, I would agree that is at best an ignorant claim. What is an even more ignorant and anti-scientific claim is to say 'the science on global warming is settled.'

As far as en masse craziness, I give you the truther movement.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-15 03:54 PM | Reply

Show me masses of democrats all repeating false propaganda like science being fake or trickle down economics helping the poor. - #12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 11:13 AM
DNC stole the nomination from Sanders
Vaccines cause autism
Trump asked Russia to Hack HRC's server
Jones act prohibits foreign ships from delivering goods to Puerto Rico

#23 | Posted by Avigdore

DNC stole the nomination from Sanders

They have not continued to deny it in the face of facts to the contrary. (not science related)

Vaccines cause autism

More Republicans believe that than dems (by 3 to 1). (but at least it is science related)

Trump asked Russia to Hack HRC's server

He did basically give a hostile foreign power permission to hack Hilary's emails (but still not science related).

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton's deleted emails. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

Jones act prohibits foreign ships from delivering goods to Puerto Rico

Not sure where that crap comes from, The Jones Act requires goods shipped between U.S. ports to be transported on ships that are built, owned and operated by United States citizens or permanent residents. Meaning it COSTS MORE MONEY than it should. (but regardless...definitely NOT science related.)

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-15 05:52 PM | Reply

Trickle down economics is a theory. I am not sure which lies you are referring to.

As for climate change, or more specifically, AGW, it is a scientific theory. ALL scientific theories are supposedly subjected to the Scientific Method. It's one thing to blabber that AGW is a scam. On that, I would agree that is at best an ignorant claim. What is an even more ignorant and anti-scientific claim is to say 'the science on global warming is settled.'

As far as en masse craziness, I give you the truther movement.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

Trickle down economics is a thoroughly DEBUNKED theory. The lie is that it'll work someday if we do even more of it.

Everything is a theory. But some theories have reached consensus among informed educated people. AGW is one of them. Find me something that there is an informed expert consensus on that democrats reject on the scale that republicans reject AGW.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 06:18 PM | Reply

"The lie is that it'll work someday if we do even more of it." #32 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

That's my point in regards to voting for less evil.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 06:21 PM | Reply

Show me democrats scorning knowledge, intelligence, and education.
#25 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Sen. Mark Warner Announces ‘Support' for CIA Nominee Gina Haspel - www.thedailybeast.com

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 06:23 PM | Reply

That's my point in regards to voting for less evil.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 06:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Except you're wrong about that. Consistently voting for the lesser evil gradually leads to a less evil government.

Refusing to vote simply lets evil/stupid people pick the government.

#35 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 06:54 PM | Reply

Sen. Mark Warner Announces ‘Support' for CIA Nominee Gina Haspel - www.thedailybeast.com

#34 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Is that a democratic platform position? Are you saying democrats in general support torture, the way republicans in general reject climate change science?

Because that would be more tokens on your pile of evidence of your idiocy.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 06:56 PM | Reply

Don't bother educating yourself, you've become a stooge.

The Democratic Party's deceitful game - www.salon.com

Will Democrats Unite to Block Trump's Torturer, Gina Haspel, as CIA Chief? If Not, What Do They #Resist? - theintercept.com

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 07:19 PM | Reply

Don't bother educating yourself, you've become a stooge.

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Says the guy who ate so much russian propaganda that he thinks hillary is as bad as trump.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Except you're wrong about that. Consistently voting for the lesser evil gradually leads to a less evil government."

I don't think that's accurate. You only ever have the opportunity to vote for a lesser evil in any given instance. The degree of evil can go up or down from cycle to cycle.

#39 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-15 08:29 PM | Reply

So, if that act does prevent delivering good to PR then why didn't they do something about it? Like repeal it?

#29 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-05-15 03:50 PM
Sigh.
It doesn't prevent foreign countries from delivering goods to PR. THAT was the lie that Dems parroted for months. which is why I was using it as an example of Dems believing and repeating falsehoods.
Too disappointed to snark.

@#31 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY
You were unaware that the goal wasn't science related, right?
Trickle-down economics is also not science related.
I mean, you even quoted it when you replied to me, but here it is again, since you must've missed it:
Show me masses of democrats all repeating false propaganda like science being fake or trickle down economics helping the poor. - #12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-05-15 11:13 AM
But thanks for all the hard work showing that Dems do repeat false propaganda, even if not science related.

#40 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-15 08:37 PM | Reply

Soooooooooooooooo much winning.

#41 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-05-15 11:08 PM | Reply

"Says the guy who ate so much russian propaganda that he thinks hillary is as bad as trump."

Worse. He thinks Hillary is worse. Bill and Obama, too.

#42 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-15 11:49 PM | Reply

#42 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Refute the articles in #37. Unless you can't. I couldn't blame you.

Speaks can't, so he attacks the messenger. Like you just did.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 11:55 PM | Reply

Just making an observation:

But everyone expected Her Bitterness to win.
Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 11:33 PM

Sorry guys. I know you're looking for anything possible to Be Bitter about.
Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 11:15 PM

He a jackhole. The worst personality we've seen at the helm. And the former leader of your party is on a worldwide petty bitterness tour.
Just like you.
Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-15 10:18 PM

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-16 12:03 AM | Reply

Just making an observation: #44 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Try observing this: With 5 Democrats, controversial Trump nominee Gina Haspel secures votes for CIA director - thinkprogress.org

The links in #37 explain how this is commonplace. Dem's are complicit while feigning innocence.

You're being duped. Or you're complicit as well. Either way, "less evil" is is a myth.

#45 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-16 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Go ahead Gal. Refute the articles in #37. The link in #45 is proof.

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-16 12:22 AM | Reply

all republicans and 5 democrats equals both sides are the same to sheeple.

What does trumps bath water taste like? is it bitter?

#47 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 12:22 AM | Reply

Find me something that there is an informed expert consensus on that democrats reject on the scale that republicans reject AGW.

#32 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I did - Trutherism.

Also, don't conflate skepticism of AGW with rejection. Those computer models have proved to be remarkably wrong so far and are only as good as the data that are fed into them. We should ALL be highly skeptical and critical of a scientific theory that is being utilized to craft public policy in a way in which it has a massive impact on our standard of living. The most extreme cataclysmic claims of the past two decades have been pretty much walked back as the actual rate of warming over the past couple of decades has been far less than was predicted.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 10:45 AM | Reply

If AGW was truly "settled science" no more funding for studies would be necessary. Yet, untold billions of dollars are spent every year studying this issue and the predictions are evolving as more and more data flow in; as science learns more and more about macro-climate.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 10:48 AM | Reply

Jeff, ice is melting all over the world. That's not theory, that's fact. You can disbelieve if you want but here in Florida we already see sea levels rising, property values are already affected by it. At least here if you want to stick your head in the sand it can be on a nice beach, of course though, when you decide to pull it out you might find yourself under water.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 11:07 AM | Reply

As I always say, hope for the best, plan for the worst. GW deniers always disturb me because the things we do to combat it will only make our environment cleaner, our energy systems less expensive and more efficient, our cars more efficient and less polluting....where it the downside of combating GW?

#51 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 11:09 AM | Reply

"here in Florida we already see sea levels rising, property values are already affected by it."

how are they affected? I might buy some property there if there are deals....

#52 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-16 11:20 AM | Reply

how are they affected? I might buy some property there if there are deals....

POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-05-16 11:20 AM | REPLY

Leaving Kansas again are we??

#53 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-16 11:23 AM | Reply

"how are they affected? I might buy some property there if there are deals...."

"Miami Mayor: City Flooding "Like a Hurricane" Again Today Thanks to King Tides"

www.miaminewtimes.com

#54 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 11:34 AM | Reply

"Since 1870, average global sea level has risen by about eight inches.
The annual rate of sea level rise has accelerated and is projected to continue to accelerate at least until and beyond the year 2100
The 50-year projection for our area is that sea levels could rise an additional nine inches to two feet
Most Fort Lauderdale residents live less than five feet above sea level, so we are talking about dipping into the "buffer" in increments 20 to 40 percent in the long term.
In the shorter term of the next two to three decades, we may have a three to seven inch sea level rise.
80 percent of land affected by one foot of sea level rise is in conservation areas, such as coastal wetlands not under private ownership.
Changes to the shape and stability of barrier islands, beaches, inlets, bays, estuaries, tidal rivers, and coastal forests can be expected"

gyr.fortlauderdale.gov

#55 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 11:37 AM | Reply

Thanks Danni.

Laura.....no, not for a while....but I'd love the idea in a few years to be able to downsize here and get something in either Florida or Arizona.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-16 11:49 AM | Reply

"Trump has some dumb voters. But if you think he has anything remotely close to a monopoly on the market of dumb voters I have a bridge to sell you.
#9 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

The GOP has a lock on policies that make education worse for the poor. You support vouchers, which take money out of the public school system and give it to private schools, with the hope that the worse off schools, and the students in those schools, will fail.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 12:58 PM | Reply

Yet, amazingly, vouchers are very popular with poor, inner-city residents. I wonder why that is?

#58 | Posted by Jeffj at 2018-05-16 01:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Handouts are popular too, somehow you don't view the popularity of handouts as proof that they're good...

Handouts BAD
Vouchers GOOD

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 01:14 PM | Reply

Nice broad brush, Jeff. Voucher students in DC do worse in math than similarly situated public school students. There is no magic bullet to public education, but personally I'd rather err on the side of caution and send public money to public schools rather than let for-profit schools siphon money out of schools that need it most. If you want to run a for-profit school, do it with your own money instead of asking for a government handout.

#60 | Posted by JOE at 2018-05-16 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#59

Public schools aren't getting a handout? They get voucher-less vouchers.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 01:20 PM | Reply

"'Failing' schools? Charter schools get F's three times as often in Florida"

www.orlandosentinel.com

#62 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Public schools aren't getting a handout?"

When you're attempting to frame the discussion of public school funding as them getting handouts you've stopped supporting American values in a very significant way.

#63 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-16 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What I hate are all those "handouts" to public libraries, police, fire, and EMTs. Not to mention public parks and sidewalks. I hate public sidewalks... they should all be privatized with corporate logos on each square.

#64 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-16 01:33 PM | Reply

What I am saying is there is fundamentally no difference between providing funding to multiple entities that are all providing the same service.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 01:35 PM | Reply

the same public service.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 01:35 PM | Reply

- the same service.

If one service is inferior to the other, then it is not the same... nor does it have the same standards as gov funded services.

#67 | Posted by Corky at 2018-05-16 01:38 PM | Reply

"What I am saying is there is fundamentally no difference between providing funding to multiple entities that are all providing the same service."

Seems like youre saying robbing Peter to pay Paul is fundamentally the same as paying Paul.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 01:40 PM | Reply

Jeff- How can you live in Michigan and not know what a train wreck DeVos has been for schools? Jesus.

#69 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-05-16 01:42 PM | Reply

What I am saying is there is fundamentally no difference between providing funding to multiple entities that are all providing the same service.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-05-16 01:35 PM | REPLY

You would be wrong too. Giving money to private schools takes away funding from public schools. I have no problem with private schools as long as they self fund. What in most cases what you are doing is funding religious private institutions which is abhorrent considering churches don't pay taxes.

#70 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-16 01:42 PM | Reply

"the same public service."

Except it's not the same public service.
Private schools get to pick and choose who they accept.
Public schools are required to take all students.
Which meams private school... isn't even a public service.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 01:42 PM | Reply

"What I am saying is there is fundamentally no difference between providing funding to multiple entities that are all providing the same service."

There is a fundamental difference between paying teachers, who are actually qualified, a decent salary vs. paying unqualified people whatever the market will bear for unlicensed, unqualified people acting as teachers. If you read a little about it you will find that most parents pull their kids out of charter schools for those exact reasons. Why does anyone think that duplicating services unnecessarily so that some slob can pull a profit out of pulbic school funds is a good idea? It's nuts. Here in Florida we have had many go bankrupt and the funds are just gone.

#72 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 01:55 PM | Reply

ON EDUCATION; When It Goes Wrong At a Charter School

www.nytimes.com

#73 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-16 01:55 PM | Reply

a yahoo search for "school vouchers are very popular with poor, inner-city residents"

returns 0 hits

#74 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-05-16 02:55 PM | Reply

"Yet, amazingly, vouchers are very popular with poor, inner-city residents. I wonder why that is?"

I think Jeffyj is just projecting here

what he really means to say is that fake conservative internet "alpha" males are just all a flutter about collecting and using coupons

#75 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-05-16 02:57 PM | Reply

We should ALL be highly skeptical and critical of a scientific theory that is being utilized to craft public policy in a way in which it has a massive impact on our standard of living.

Sure.

But if one does so they should do it in an informed manner.

99% of the time that's NOT the case. Hell, most "skeptics" don't know the difference between weather and climate and 98% only ramble on about Al Gore.

#76 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 08:45 PM | Reply

But if one does so they should do it in an informed manner....

#76 | POSTED BY JPW

True.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 08:48 PM | Reply

#60 great post.

I remember you being a righty in years past but the last 6 months or so (off the cuff estimate) you occasionally chime in with what's usually the most balanced comments found on the site.

Question is did you move left, did I move right or is there an option C?

#78 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 08:55 PM | Reply

#77 nice cherry pick 🙂

#79 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 08:56 PM | Reply

#78

Years ago he was a Libertarian. He's now a Bernie Sanders advocate. People's views do evolve over time.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-16 08:59 PM | Reply

#70 👍🏻👍🏻

I'd NW flag but I've yet to figure out how on my phone.

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 09:00 PM | Reply

#80 the evolution here seems to be at molasses speed, hence why I thought his a particularly marked change.

#82 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 09:14 PM | Reply

"I'd NW flag but I've yet to figure out how on my phone."

You'd think that after almost twenty years of the site's existence Rcade would have set up a page of simple instructions for the site's features, flagging and HTML instructions being most useful.

#83 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-05-16 09:20 PM | Reply

Can you flag from an iPhone?

#84 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 09:24 PM | Reply

Just an angry bitter old stoner lashing out at those damned kids on his lawn.
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Can you flag from an iPhone?
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lol.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-16 09:26 PM | Reply

🤷🏼‍♂️

#86 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-16 09:40 PM | Reply

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