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Sunday, May 13, 2018

Small business owners who supported Donald Trump are complaining about troubles hiring foreign seasonal labor the Lexington Herald-Leader reports. The newspaper interviewed multiple landscaping business owners who claim they are unable to hire Americans for the same wages. Eddie Devine voted for Trump, but worries he may go out of business if he is unable to continue hiring 20 foreign workers a season though the H-2B visa program. "I feel like I've been tricked by the devil," Devine admitted. "I feel so stupid." Devin says Trump's policies are more about race than economics, noting that Trump properties in New York and Florida rely upon the H-2B visa program for 144 jobs a year. "I think there's a war on brown people," he argued. "I want to know why it's OK for him to get his workers, but supporters like me don't get theirs." "We live and die by these visas," said Ken Monin, owner of Monin Construction. "Last year we about went bankrupt.

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#1 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-05-12 11:52 AM | Reply

Yes, you were tricked. Yes, you are stupid. Yes, he's the Devil.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2018-05-12 11:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

Rawstory is unreadable trash site. Rein you should be ashamed of yourself.
Here is a link to the original story.
www.kentucky.com

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-12 12:05 PM | Reply

Yes, you are stupid and that's why we were pointing and laughing.

I can't wait when in a year or two the ripples reach your average Trump supporter who suddenly finds vegetables too expensive, lawn services too expensive and contractors sparce and pricier than "they should be".

Then we'll be pointing and laughing too.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-12 12:28 PM | Reply

They can all get together with Farmers who are getting hammered by his 'Barifs and Terriers' (one of my favorite 'W-isms') on Soy Bean exports.

I hope they all end up learning a good deal more about the intricacies of Bankruptcy, just like their Indolent Dotard did.

You emeffers built that.

Now you can effing wallow in it.

#5 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-05-12 12:50 PM | Reply

"But Her Emails!"

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-12 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

As has been repeated on this site numerous times, if your business plan cannot support hiring US workers for US wages, then your business does not deserve to exist in the US.
Every informed voter understood that limiting foreign (legal and undocumented) workers coming into America to do the jobs that Americans didn't want to do was going to affect the prices of goods.
Unfortunately there are a WHOLE lot of uninformed voters our there, and their vote counts just as much as yours or mine.
Either the wages were going to go up, or the work was not going to get done. Very capitalistic.
I was vocal about the fact that under the system, electricityproduce prices would necessarily skyrocket.
It is going to cost more to pay US workers. And that is a good thing, if you want to support the people in the US.

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-12 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They can all get together with Farmers who are getting hammered by his 'Barifs and Terriers' (one of my favorite 'W-isms') on Soy Bean exports.
I hope they all end up learning a good deal more about the intricacies of Bankruptcy, just like their Indolent Dotard did.
#5 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

I hope they learn to grow food again, instead of the corporate corn and bean BS charade they were leveraged into.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-12 01:20 PM | Reply

Ever seen the Amish starving or going bankrupt?

#9 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-12 01:21 PM | Reply

#9 would such a thing be reported?

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-05-12 01:53 PM | Reply

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#9 you should show us how it's done sheeple. Unplug and toss that computer in the nearest river or lake. Please?

#11 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-12 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 you should show us how it's done sheeple. Unplug and toss that computer in the nearest river or lake. Please?

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-12 04:54 PM | Reply

produce prices would necessarily skyrocket..... And that is a good thing, if you want to support the people in the US eating less produce.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-12 07:31 PM | Reply

The landscape maintenance work this business does is exactly the kind of work I did when I was in high school. Maybe I just don't know.. Is there some reason high school kids aren't still filling these jobs? At least during the summer?

#14 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-05-12 08:18 PM | Reply

Trumpers want to kick out brown people that don't work for them.

Why is there still a H-2B program. Because 1%ers want it that is why.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-12 08:27 PM | Reply

#14 Probably they don't want to hire someone just for the summer.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-12 08:57 PM | Reply

#4 JPW: I can't wait when in a year or two the ripples reach your average Trump supporter who suddenly finds vegetables too expensive, lawn services too expensive and contractors sparce and pricier than "they should be".

Oh my God, you support slave labor over union labor? Here, let me sing a lullaby for you:

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night
Alive as you or me
Says I, But Joe, you're ten years dead
I never died, says he
I never died, says he

In Salt Lake, Joe, says I to him
Him standing by my bed
They framed you on a murder charge
Says Joe, But I ain't dead
Says Joe, But I ain't dead

The copper bosses killed you, Joe
They shot you, Joe, says I
Takes more than guns to kill a man
Says Joe, I didn't die
Says Joe, I didn't die

And standing there as big as life
And smiling with his eyes
Joe says, What they forgot to kill
Went on to organize
Went on to organize

#17 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-05-12 09:25 PM | Reply

Is there some reason high school kids aren't still filling these jobs? At least during the summer?
#14 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

There are a variety reasons that the number of teens taking summer jobs have dropped but two big ones are that Summer breaks have been getting shorter and the number of teens taking summer classes have more than tripled over the past 20 years. Another big reason is that many of the low skill summer jobs have been automated out of existence.

#18 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-05-13 02:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh my God, you support slave labor over union labor?

You must be reading rightwing history if you think slaves make $12 an hour.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-13 03:25 AM | Reply

Sheep,

"Ever seen the Amish starving or going bankrupt?"

For one thing they are brought up to have a strong work ethic.

Did you read the original article?

It should be pointed out the problem the particular businessman had was an ability to find enough people who willing to do manual labor.

What does that tell you?

American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled.

One important thing that was always part of the Christian culture was the believe in performing your job to the best of your ability to accept the idea of being personally accountable.

Liberals have done away with that and instead replaced it with "the government is accountable to take care of you".

Don't blame the anti-immigration move for destroying this man's business.

Blame the liberals.

#20 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-05-13 09:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

"What does that tell you? American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled."

No, it tells you the wage isn't enough to attract legal workers.

Offer $500/hr, and legal workers will line up. What...too much? You're right.

The answer lies somewhere between the wages only illegals will take, and wages enough to prod legal workers away from current jobs.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-05-13 10:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dan,

"No, it tells you the wage isn't enough to attract legal workers."

No...the problem isn't exactly about paying the working class more.

The problem is the way many of the rich are paid not for what they are worth or have actually "earned" but instead are paid based on the amount of power they have and are willing to exercise.

Fix that and it will go a long way to improving the standard of living for everyone.

Until this problem is fixed, regardless how much you increase wages for the people paid less, it will be siphoned off into the pockets of the wealthy.

The problem is money is not staying in the "cash flow". I pay you, you pay them, they pay someone else who uses that money to pay you.

No...the rich are sucking off wealth and we are borrowing more money to replace cash removed from the pipeline ultimately making them richer.

Your suggestion sounds good on the surface but like most of the solutions being thrown around these days, it is only short term and not sustainable.

#22 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-05-13 01:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#7 ... Every informed voter ...

What percentage of people who voted for Pres Trump do you think fall into the "informed voter" category?

It's a serious question.

Half, two-thirds, three-quarters?

#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-13 01:40 PM | Reply


@#20 ... American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled. ...

Nah. It is a far better example of how American consumers are too cheap to pay a price for goods that allow workers to have a living wage.

#24 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-13 01:45 PM | Reply

"American consumers are too cheap to pay a price"

The prices wouldn't be that cheap if it weren't for manufacturers lowering costs via illegal labor.
Blaming the consumers for wanting to save money is like blaming water for being wet.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-13 02:11 PM | Reply


@#25 ... Blaming the consumers for wanting to save money is like blaming water for being wet. ...

Yup. And that's my point, consumers won't allow living wages to be paid for some jobs.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-13 03:15 PM | Reply

"consumers won't allow living wages to be paid for some jobs"

Consumers aren't the ones paying wages, or setting immigration policy.
There's a pretty big disconnect between the connection you're trying to make here.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-13 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe he can't find workers because the unemployment rate in KY is around 4% but lower than that (closer to 3%) in the Lexington area:

www.bls.gov

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-13 03:37 PM | Reply

Look at the Magical Thinking. This Trump voter attributes his being tricked to "The Devil."
Not Fox News, or Rush Limbaugh, or Russian ads on Facebook, or whatever actually tricked him.
The Devil.

^
Apparently I'm an elitist snob for noticing that.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-13 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Any chance this guy now thinks of Trump and his pack of lies as a silver-tongued devil, who works for the silver-tongued Devil?

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-05-13 03:43 PM | Reply


@#27 ... Consumers aren't the ones paying wages ...

Where does the money for paying the wages come from? Does it materialize out of thin air?

Or is it from the revenue obtained by selling goods to consumers?

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-05-13 03:44 PM | Reply

"Where does the money for paying the wages come from?"

For consumers, mostly it comes from wages they themselves have been paid.

The investor class isn't so dependent on wages, because the return on capital is higher than the return on labor.
Consumers didn't do that.
That's why I think it's misguided to try and lay any of this at their feet.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-13 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Trump Voter: 'I Feel Like I've Been Tricked by the Devil'

The Devil wears Prada that's made in China ...

www.drudge.com

#33 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-05-13 07:52 PM | Reply

"Your suggestion sounds good on the surface but like most of the solutions being thrown around these days, it is only short term and not sustainable."

Nonsense. My suggestion is Supply and Demand.

Offer $500/hr, and the applicants will stream in. Same for $200/hr. Get down to $8, and you probably won't get long lines.

There is some median ground: a wage which will draw legal workers away from what they're currently doing.

Meanwhile, start frog-marching hirers, and go up the chain with each one. My guess is it'll only take a few dozen before the bosses get the message.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-05-13 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#23 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-05-13 01:40 PM
Fewer than half of the people who voted for president in 2016 was likely what I would consider an informed voter.

#35 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-13 10:52 PM | Reply

Sheep,
"Ever seen the Amish starving or going bankrupt?"
For one thing they are brought up to have a strong work ethic.
Did you read the original article?
It should be pointed out the problem the particular businessman had was an ability to find enough people who willing to do manual labor.
What does that tell you?
American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled.
One important thing that was always part of the Christian culture was the believe in performing your job to the best of your ability to accept the idea of being personally accountable.
Liberals have done away with that and instead replaced it with "the government is accountable to take care of you".
Don't blame the anti-immigration move for destroying this man's business.
Blame the liberals.

#20 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

Bill, that might be one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my entire life. The stupidity you just vomited on this page is award worthy. If you can tie your own shoes, I'd be down right amazed.

The Amish are not special. They have hard workers and lazy jerks as well. And the idea that they are self sufficient is ridiculous. They live in communities sharing resources. Many often find work outside the community with the rest of the world and some depend on welfare like everyone else. The only reason you think such things is because you've never actually been in an Amish community or gotten to know them.

And if liberals were the problem, red states wouldn't have the highest numbers of people on welfare, living in poverty, and depending on government health insurance. There is a reason educated people tend to vote Dem and people like you vote Republican.

Honestly, I have a hunch that when you were a kid, your parents begged you to run away from home.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-05-14 12:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

As has been repeated on this site numerous times, if your business plan cannot support hiring US workers for US wages, then your business does not deserve to exist in the US.

So you support $15 per hour?

#37 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-14 07:33 AM | Reply

Small business owners who supported Donald Trump are complaining about troubles hiring foreign seasonal labor the Lexington Herald-Leader reports.

Hmmm. I call --------. Trump Vineyards and Maralago have no problem getting foreign workers.

I suspect many large businesses that are members of Mango Lameo are not having this problem either.

This guy just needs to cough up the $200,000 to join a Trump golf resort if he wants his workers.

But the Clinton Foundation was pay to play.

#38 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-14 07:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled.

No Bill. Most Americans don't want a $12 an hour job that is for 1/2 the year with no benefits. That is not the American dream.

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-14 07:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"No, it tells you the wage isn't enough to attract legal workers."

legal workers and people actually working, yes. Bill is talking about people not working.

I think you're both right.

#40 | Posted by eberly at 2018-05-14 09:09 AM | Reply

The problem is that once one company started relying on immigrant labor or foreign suppliers, it became a race to the bottom where any other company in that sector has to do the same to remain competitive. Imposing tariffs on foreign goods is actually one area in which I agree with Trump, but it has to be done carefully and as part of a larger plan to pay Americans more so they can afford American-made goods. I have no faith in his ability to come up with such a plan; he is far more likely to pay lip service to the idea and then use tariffs to punish people he doesn't like.

#41 | Posted by JOE at 2018-05-14 10:51 AM | Reply

"Don't blame the anti-immigration move for destroying this man's business."

No blame him, he is destroying his own business and screwing American workers whenever he gets the chance. Personally, I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. Expecially considering he voted for Trump who everyone knew was using foreign workers in his facilities. Screw both of these anti-American punks.

#42 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-14 11:37 AM | Reply

"What does that tell you?
American poor are mostly lazy and spoiled."

What's "poor?"
Does this mean most of the homeless people I see are lazy and spoiled too?

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-14 11:57 AM | Reply

So you support $15 per hour? - #37 | Posted by 726 at 2018-05-14 07:33 AM
I don't have a yes/no answer for that. If $15 an hour is what it takes to cover the costs for 1 person in NYC, SF, or Seattle, I'm all for it. It certainly isn't what's required to cover the costs for 1 person in Springfield, so I don't support it as a national action.

#44 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-14 01:31 PM | Reply

Does it really need to be point out one more time? Unless you are in the 1%, you are a fool if you vote for Trump.

#45 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-05-14 04:13 PM | Reply

Last year we about went bankrupt.

If you declare multiple bankruptcies you can get back on your feet by laundering Russian cash like the orange diaper sniper.

#46 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-05-14 04:16 PM | Reply

Personally, I don't have an ounce of sympathy for him. Expecially considering he voted for Trump who everyone knew was using foreign workers in his facilities. Screw both of these anti-American punks.

#42 | Posted by danni

Yes... but the Devil made him do it so it's not his fault.

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-05-14 05:42 PM | Reply

I don't think "tricked by the devil" is an apt description for trump. Trump made it very obvious he was a ---- choice; so anyone that claims to have been "tricked" by him was simply being an an ignorant voter from the get go.

#48 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-05-14 06:07 PM | Reply

Can we please stop with the funny flags just because we disagree with the post. Bet this gets a funny!!

#49 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2018-05-14 06:31 PM | Reply

Slavery has been illegal for a while now..soo i dont see why he didnt get the memo

#50 | Posted by Ziplinepanda at 2018-05-14 06:59 PM | Reply

"Ever seen the Amish starving or going bankrupt?"

All the time! Hell, most of them can't even afford to pay their electric bill.

#51 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-05-14 10:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's interesting that this Trump voter is equating Trump to the devil: an entity with other worldly powers to cause chaos and misery. By doing so, this Trump voter is projecting blame for his condition away from himself. He's just another conservative that refuses to take responsibility for their actions. Trump's penchant for causing chaos and misery was very well documented prior to his election. It was impossible to miss unless you spent all of your time watching Fox News or listening to right-wing radio.

#52 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-05-15 04:47 AM | Reply

What percentage of people who voted for Pres Trump do you think fall into the "informed voter" category?
It's a serious question.
Half, two-thirds, three-quarters?

#23 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Exactly 0%!
They are all dumber than a bag of hammers!

#53 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-05-15 10:18 AM | Reply

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