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Saturday, May 05, 2018

John Kerry's bid to save one of his most significant accomplishments as secretary of state took him to New York on a Sunday afternoon two weeks ago, where, more than a year after he left office, he engaged in some unusual shadow diplomacy with a top-ranking Iranian official.

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What was interesting to me about this was not that Kerry was desperate to keep his crowning acheivement alive, but that he confirmed that what Nuttyahoo had was real

Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu provided further ammunition for critics of the deal, unveiling documents that showed Iranian efforts to build its nuclear program before the 2015 deal was reached.

Kerry and others said the documents were nothing new, and illustrated the need for an inspections regime to make sure Iran is complying with the current agreement.

"Every detail PM Netanyahu presented yesterday was every reason the world came together to apply years of sanctions and negotiate the Iran nuclear agreement -- because the threat was real and had to be stopped," Kerry wrote on Twitter Tuesday. "It's working!"

That certainly flies in the face of what the faithful were told to believe by MediaHuffDailyTalkingPoliticusMattersPoPointsMemo just days ago.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-05-04 09:52 PM | Reply

Kerry doesn't want to see mushroom clouds over Jerusalem. That was the point of the deal.
Evangelicals can't wait.

#2 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-04 10:16 PM | Reply

Wasn't the Logan Act brought up in Flynn's case?

How is this different?

#3 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-05-04 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm wondering the same thing. In fact, there seems to be a team of former Obama officials involved.

#4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-04 10:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3

It's not.

Charge him.

#5 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-04 10:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm just curious why trump is so damn desperate to undo all of the good that Obama did.

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-05-04 10:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm just curious why trump is so damn desperate to undo all of the good that Obama did.

POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2018-05-04 10:38 PM | REPLY

Because the Republican base wants to erase any and all hood things that came from the first black POTUS. It's racism that's all.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-04 10:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I'm just curious why trump is so damn desperate to undo all of the good that Obama did.
POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2018-05-04 10:38 PM | REPLY

Because the Republican base wants to erase any and all GOOD things that came from the first black POTUS. It's racism that's all.

#7 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-05-04 10:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

What a terrible time for a typo.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-04 10:42 PM | Reply

GOODNIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's my cue to stop posting now.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-05-04 10:43 PM | Reply

I thought you were referring to the basketball court in the WH

#10 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-05-04 10:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--------. For Trump, its personal with B. Hussein. Obama pretty much publically called Trumo an idiot, to his face in a speech with Yrump in the audience, about the birtherism ----. Trump has never let go of that. Which explains him hiring Russian strippers to piss on the same bed B. Hussein and Michelle slept in, if true.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-04 10:45 PM | Reply

FTA

"Kerry is coordinating his push with a group of officials who were his top advisers at the State Department, and who helped craft and negotiate the Iran deal in the first place. The group, called Diplomacy Works, has an advisory council that includes lead Iran-deal negotiator Wendy Sherman, former State Department chief of staff Jon Finer, and former spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

The group claims to be responsible for 100 news articles, 34 television and radio hits, and 37 opinion pieces on the Iran question. They do fact checks of criticisms of the agreement and blast them out to an e-mail list of nearly 4,000 policy makers and foreign policy experts.

But the group determined that the most influential voices would not be Democrats, and instead would focus on Europeans, Israelis, and nonpartisan experts to try and salvage the deal, according to a person involved in the effort. As a sign of the their success, Kerry has pointed to an April 25 letter signed by 26 former top-ranking Israeli military and security officials urging the United States to stay in the agreement."

Sounds like meddling and collusion. How is this legal? Where's the money flowing from? Where are the bank accounts?

#12 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-04 10:48 PM | Reply

"The group claims to be responsible for 100 news articles, 34 television and radio hits, and 37 opinion pieces on the Iran question. They do fact checks of criticisms of the agreement and blast them out to an e-mail list of nearly 4,000 policy makers and foreign policy experts."

And why Iran? I don't get the end game here. Don't get me wrong, I don't want war w/ Iran, I'd rather see them isolated and dealt with diplomatically.

But Kerry has no problem bombing extremists. There's an angle I'm not seeing yet. There's a deal somewhere. has to be.

They're not doing this for Yemen or Somalia - but Iran. Not only that, but it subverts Nutty Yahoo. Something is amiss.

#13 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-04 11:34 PM | Reply

Also it crosses the Saudi's.

Sitz...any insight here?

#14 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-04 11:35 PM | Reply

#12 Read the Logan Act. It outlaws unauthorized negotiation with countries having a dispute with the US. That is what Flynn did, because he is an idiot wing ding.
Kerry et al are exercising their first amendment rights guaranteed in the constitution and affirmed by Citizen's United.

#15 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-05 02:43 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

Offer Trump a Billion dollars, Ms Heinze has it to spare. It would be a chritable contribution to mankind that the dotard can understand.

#16 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-05-05 07:46 AM | Reply

Thank you Bored. Kerry and his associates are just trying to inject a drop of sanity into a discussion led by irrational fools like Bolton. If war with Iran is considered an option then you know you are talking to a lunatic.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-05 07:49 AM | Reply

Hey John, those Swiftboat Liars are still there but hey, now they are old and dying. That's a good thing. Despicable scum paid to attack him for decades. I just hope they do suffer as they die.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-05 10:00 AM | Reply

"Offer Trump a Billion dollars, Ms Heinze has it to spare. It would be a chritable contribution to mankind that the dotard can understand."

But he would still be in debt. He is so far in debt that running for President seemed to him to be the only way to raise his brand high enough to get anyone to continue paying for it. Even after he was inaugurated companies are going to court to rid themselves of that embarrassment.
Today, Trump = Liar. He, himself, has completely trashed his brand. No one on this planet respects it or him today. In truth, they never should have in the first place but then many people are incredibly dumb.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-05 10:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's racism that's all. - #8 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-05-04 10:42 PM
Laura, if Trump were a black man, would the Democrats opposition of him be racism? Why can't opposition to someone's policies be based simply on their policies and not the color of their skin? Do you really think that Boaz was opposed to President Obama's policies because he's a racist against blacks? You do yourself and your positions a disservice by painting all opposition as racism. It's false, it's lazy, and it causes the people that you're falsely calling racist to stand up and push back, as evidenced by our having President Trump instead of President Clinton now.

#20 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-05 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why can't opposition to someone's policies be based simply on their policies and not the color of their skin?"

Because some white folks just can't stand black people who are smarter than they are. They need to feel superior to others. That is the basis for white racism. How else do you think white slave owners justified their ownership of other people? That didn't go away with the Civil War, they still felt entitled to own those people but us horrible liberal northerners prevented them from owning them and they have hated us ever since. Racist southerners hate northern liberals because we declared that black people are equal to them, that runs diametrically opposed to everything they were taught during their entire lives. I have lived, as a northern liberal, in a southern state my entire life, I can speak intelligently on this topic. The things I have heard and seen during my life can not be denied by any southern bigot. As God is my witness, that is the truth.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-05 12:02 PM | Reply

Agigdore,

Can you name a single Trump policy (even that's hard to do with all his "winning") that was once a Dem policy that the Dems suddenly oppose because it's Trump?

You're just regurgitating nonsense that's easily seen as such by any objective player.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-05-05 12:26 PM | Reply

The Logan Act:

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.


Clearly, Kerry has violated this act.

#23 | Posted by old_geezer at 2018-05-05 12:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Laura, if Trump were a black man, would the Democrats opposition of him be racism?"

"Even before Barack Obama took the oath office, Republicans leaders, conservative think-tanks and right-wing pundits were calling for total obstruction of the new president's agenda. Bill Kristol, who helped block Bill Clinton's health care reform attempt in 1993, called for history to repeat on the Obama stimulus - and everything else. Pointing with pride to the Clinton economic program which received exactly zero GOP votes in either House, Kristol in January 2009 advised:"

crooksandliars.com

If you don't think that was, at least partially, motivated by racism you're crazy.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2018-05-05 01:04 PM | Reply

If you don't think that was, at least partially, motivated by racism you're crazy. - #24 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-05-05 01:04 PM
You just linked that they wanted to treat Obama precisely the same way they treated Bill Clinton...and that's because racism?
"block Bill Clinton's health care reform attempt in 1993, called for history to repeat on the Obama stimulus"
That makes no logical sense. If anything, you're disproving the notion that it is due to racism, unless you think that GOP was racist against Clinton?

#25 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-05 01:22 PM | Reply

Can you name a single Trump policy (even that's hard to do with all his "winning") that was once a Dem policy that the Dems suddenly oppose because it's Trump? - #22 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-05-05 12:26 PM
Of course I can. Securing the southern border.
Obama, Clinton, Schumer and 23 other Democratic senators voted in favor of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 when it passed in the Senate by a vote of 80 to 19.

Your comparison as an attempt at a dishonest talking point. Yes, some conservative came up with an idea to mandate insurance for all. It was considered, and discarded decades ago. Yes, the ACA had some similarities with the discarded plan from the 90's, but there were significant differences as well.
www.politifact.com
There were Republicans opposed to the 90's version, and that didn't include stuff like expanded medicare and free preventative care mandated. Combined with the fact that a majority of Republicans didn't even approve of the 'Republican plan' of the 90's gives ample reason to expect them to not approve of it now without having to resort to calling it racism.

#26 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-05-05 01:33 PM | Reply

Your comparison as an attempt at a dishonest talking point.
#26 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

If it weren't for dishonest talking points, you'd have nothing to post, ever.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-05-05 01:36 PM | Reply

Why is private citizen John Kerry negotiating with a nuclear power who chants 'death to America'?

Why isn't Danni outraged, that non-elected or appointed persons have formed a committee without authorization,

to secretly negotiate with an ally of Russia and Syria, under the cover of darkness?

If this was Flynn during the trans...oh wait. There's been 18 months of outrage and hysteria - John Kerry is a TRAITOR!! < say it Danni.

#28 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Former Secretary of State John Kerry has reportedly been using diplomatic backchannels to communicate with Iranian officials in order to keep former President Barack Obama's infamous Iran nuclear deal on life support.

And he may have broken the law in the process.
What are the details?

In what the Boston Globe described as "shadow diplomacy," the newspaper broke the news Friday that Kerry -- more than a year after leaving office as the top U.S. diplomat -- is actively working to keep Obama's Iran deal in place.

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-05-05 05:48 PM | Reply

Who said Kerry was negotiating with Iran? Not unnamed sources I hope.

#30 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-05 05:58 PM | Reply

Lordy let there be named sources.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2018-05-05 05:58 PM | Reply

Is negotiating on behalf of what is still officially national policy a violation of the Logan Act?

One has to appreciate rightists being more concerned with this than with the president contemplating breaking an agreement with a sovereign state...

#32 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-05 06:02 PM | Reply

- breaking an agreement with a sovereign state...

An ally of Russia, China, NPK, and state sponsor of terrorism.

Why is a former SoS engaging in diplomatic talks with an enemy of the United States without executive or congressional approval?

This place would go mad if the script was flipped.

#33 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY BORED

Over recent months, Kerry has been holding meetings and speaking with big players in the Iran nuclear agreement, who, like Kerry, do not want President Donald Trump to withdraw the US from the deal, The Boston Globe reported.
Citing a person briefed on the meetings, the Globe reported that Kerry had met with Iran Foreign Minister Javad Zarif at the United Nations in New York two weeks ago, their second meeting in about two months, to discuss ways of keeping the deal limiting Iran's nuclear weapons program intact.

The former secretary of state also met last month with German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier, separately sat down with French President Emmanuel Macron in both Paris and New York, and spoke on the phone with European Union foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, the source told the Globe.
Kerry has also quietly lobbied members of Congress, including House Speaker Paul Ryan, placing dozens of phone calls in recent weeks.

#34 | Posted by old_geezer at 2018-05-05 06:41 PM | Reply

"An ally of Russia, China, NPK, and state sponsor of terrorism."

With whom the US is at peace and has an agreement. He is acting in support of what is still official US policy. So why the concern?

#35 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-05 06:54 PM | Reply

#12 Read the Logan Act. It outlaws unauthorized negotiation with countries having a dispute with the US. That is what Flynn did, because he is an idiot wing ding.
Kerry et al are exercising their first amendment rights guaranteed in the constitution and affirmed by Citizen's United.

#15 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2018-05-05 02:43 AM?

Read the Logan Act. It outlaws unauthorized negotiation with countries having a dispute with the US. That is what Kerry did, because he is an idiot lib.
Flynn et al are exercising their first amendment rights guaranteed in the constitution and affirmed by Citizen's United.

See how easy that was?

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-05-05 06:58 PM | Reply

#36

---- it. Lock'em both up.

#37 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-05-05 07:00 PM | Reply

#37

Agreed.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-05-05 07:02 PM | Reply

- With whom the US is at peace

We've been bombing Iranians in Syria. - foreignpolicy.com

Travel Advisor January 10, 2018 - Iran - Level 4: Do not travel - travel.state.gov

Peace? lol.

#39 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 & #38

Agreed. Or, tell JKerry to get the hell out of the mix and let Flynn go.

#40 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 07:03 PM | Reply

#39

Peace indeed. There is a nuclear deal in place and Kerry is acting to further that. So, Kerry is not dong anything wrong. Quite the contrary, actually. He is furthering US policy without any sort of compensation. What a touching show of civic engagement!

#41 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-05 07:09 PM | Reply

Can anyone secretly negotiate with a nuclear power on behalf of the United States?

...for a friend.

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 07:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Let me be clear though, It's not a matter of what Kerry is doing, it's a matter of how he's going about it.
If our gov't sent Kerry secretly to negotiate, I have no problem. If Kerry, Dems, Deep State is doing so unauthorized, then I have a problem.

I'm looking at it this way...

If a delegation of former Bush cabinet members were secretly undermining Obama in any nation-state diplomacy
without express authorization from the Executive or Legislative branch, then that, in my view, would be undermining a duly elected government.

#43 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 07:21 PM | Reply

It appears that the rancid orange cumfart is using a private Israeli intelligence agency for dirty ops to discredit the Iran nuclear deal. MAGA#

www.theguardian.com

#44 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-05-05 07:25 PM | Reply

#43

1) The deep state is not a thing.

2) Who is Kerry undermining?

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-05 07:30 PM | Reply

#45 Who from Congress or the Executive Branch recruited and authorized Kerry as a diplomatic envoy to a nuclear power nation-state, with whom we are currently engaged in armed conflict in Syria?

#46 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-05 07:45 PM | Reply

#46

Missing the point, as usual.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-05-05 08:11 PM | Reply

"on behalf of the United States"

Maybe Kerry is working on behalf of the other parties to the agreement with Iran.

That wouldn't be a problem, would it?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-05 11:43 PM | Reply

You're not getting it. Any action performed by a Democrat is inherently wrong. Because libruls have cooties.

#49 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-05-06 12:56 AM | Reply

#49

Careful, your hyper partisanship is showing.

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-05-06 04:18 PM | Reply

So much dishonesty here. If Bush cabinet members had pulled this in Syria - with Pooty- while Obama was in office, the wailing would be epic.

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-06 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LeftCoastLawyer has spoken.
He's kind of the E.F. Hutton of the DR.
At least, that's what RightOCenter thinks.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-05-06 04:21 PM | Reply

Sorry Goofy, you will have to ask LCL what he thinks next time he posts, I can't help you.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-05-06 04:59 PM | Reply

This is no more a violation of the Logan Act than the GOP Senators sending a letter to the mullahs explaining that Constitutional reality that any deal not ratified by the Senate isn't binding.

I had no more of a problem with that those senators did than I have with what Kerry is doing right now.

I think in both cases they were wrong to do what they did, but neither case was a criminal act IMO.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-05-06 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The article doesn't detail Kerry's activity, but if talking to diplomats and Congress is illegal so is every lobbyist. There have been two clear-cut treasonous violations of the Logan Act, both by Republicans engaged in campaigning. Nixon interfered with Johnson's Paris peace talks, promising a "better deal", if the Viet Cong would not make peace with the Johnson administration, followed by a Nixon victory and his bombing campaign, which dropped more bombs in Cambodia than were dropped in Germany during the entire WWII. The second was George Bush and Ollie North negotiating missiles for holding US hostages in Iran until AFTER the Reagan Carter campaign, which clearly damaged Carter's re-election. But, like Republican vote rigging across the country since 2000, these violations were never investigated or prosecuted. These violations are so egregious they call into question the point of even holding elections. They reveal a "Deep State lifelong bureaucracy" which operates independently of elected officials in Congress and the White house. This reality was first revealed by the Church commission in 1975, but never resulted in holding anyone accountable in the "Deep State". Eisenhower hinted of the problem when he warned the American people about not letting the "Military Industrial Complex" operate US foreign policy completely outside democratic laws and constitutional mandates. It is quite clear those evil greedy forces determine US policy today, persistently at odds with public opinion.

#55 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-05-07 07:00 AM | Reply

It may not be illegal, but it smacks of back door dealings and shady political shenanigans.

If we ever have a legit potus and congress, this leaves the door open for all sorts of trouble.
Our elected gov't needs to be in the know on these things.

#56 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-05-07 10:57 AM | Reply

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