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The first warship to traverse open waters without a single crew member recently joined the U.S. Navy's fleet after eight years of development and testing. And now nearly every element of the vehicle, known as the Sea Hunter, has become classified. "About all I can tell you is that it has transitioned from [the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] to the Navy, and that's a success in the world of science and technology," said Rear Adm. Nevin Carr. "And that's a good thing, because that means that there's a there there."

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The concept for the unmanned vessel was born in 2010 out of the Pentagon's so-called mad science wing, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA.

The Pentagon's request from DARPA was colossal: Develop a drone warship capable of hunting submarines, detecting torpedoes and avoiding objects at sea while traveling at a top speed of 27 knots, or 31 mph.

"Sleek and angular, it looks like something time-warped in from the future," adds Scharre, a former U.S. Army Ranger and senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security. "With a long narrow hull and two outriggers, the Sea Hunter carves the oceans like a three-pointed dagger, tracking enemy submarines."

"This will operate wherever the United States Navy operates," Work told reporters after the ceremony. "It can operate in the South China Sea. It can operate in the Baltic Sea. It can operate in the Persian Gulf. And it can operate in the middle of the Atlantic or the middle of the Pacific."

"These will be everywhere," he added.

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"But but but the Chinese Navy is going to build a third carrier, this time with a catapult and it may even be nuclear..."

-JTosser

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-25 09:03 PM | Reply

Our navy is leaps and bounds ahead of any country on earth.

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2018-04-25 09:14 PM | Reply

Our navy is leaps and bounds ahead of any country on earth.

Maybe one day you will actually pay for it.

#3 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-25 09:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"We might be able to put a six pack or a four pack of missiles on them. Now imagine 50 of these distributed and operating together under the hands of a flotilla commander," Work said. "This is going to be a Navy unlike any navy in history, a human-machine collaborative battle fleet that will confound our enemies."

The future of overseas force projection. The networks it operates on better be hardened as fq.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-04-25 10:35 PM | Reply

The future of overseas force projection. The networks it operates on better be hardened as fq.

Exactly, but the key to military network security isn't hardening but resilience, which is the ability to morph if there is an attack. DARPA has been on the forefront of cybersecurity as well, and having multiple, shifting pipelines is the wave of the future.

What the US Military Can Teach Everyone Else About Cyber Security

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-25 10:49 PM | Reply

#3 it has already paid for itself. No cooks, no toilets, no showers, no entertainment, no mutineers, no fear, no emotions

The list goes on.

#6 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-04-25 11:01 PM | Reply

The list goes on.

I was referring to the Navy, not the drone.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-25 11:18 PM | Reply

#7 Oh well that's different then.

Paraphrasing Emily Latella

#8 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-04-25 11:25 PM | Reply

lol

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-25 11:28 PM | Reply

Drone warfare should be outlawed by an international body. That's basically cowardice fighting.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-04-25 11:28 PM | Reply

"Drone warfare should be outlawed by an international body. That's basically cowardice fighting."

Dream on.

The fantasy of bombing others without putting our soldiers at risk is a general's wet dream.

#11 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-25 11:30 PM | Reply

Robot Wars at Sea

(new TV series)

www.robotwars.tv

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-25 11:34 PM | Reply

"Drone warfare should be outlawed by an international body. That's basically cowardice fighting."

How is that different from launching a cruise missile from a ship?

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-25 11:35 PM | Reply

How is that different from launching a cruise missile from a ship?

POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-04-25 11:35 PM | REPLY

Ships can be attacked. While true they are miles away from the ground fighting they can still face dangers. Not so with drone warfare. There's no danger on being attacked by the enemy making warfare too easy. Warfare should always be a hard affair to undertake. When you make war too easy you make it too appealing.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-04-25 11:56 PM | Reply

Our navy is leaps and bounds ahead of any country on earth.

Yes indeed! It screwed up the taliban.... oh wait....

And consider this.

THE Commander-in-Chief... pee-tape blackmail victim poster-boy... has now got a new toy. Yippy!

BTW, all the parts are made in China.

#15 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-25 11:58 PM | Reply

The fantasy of bombing others without putting our soldiers at risk is a general's wet dream.

#11 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-04-25 11:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Read above.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-04-25 11:58 PM | Reply

"Ships can be attacked."

Not if they're out of range.

"they are miles away from the ground fighting they can still face dangers. "

Why would you want your troops to face dangers they didn't have to?

For example, would you replace the (relatively) new bomb-diffusion bots with humans, just so they could face dangers?

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-25 11:59 PM | Reply

"Warfare should always be a hard affair to undertake."

For the enemy, not you. Any advantage you can take to preserve human resources should be taken into consideration.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-26 12:01 AM | Reply

Why would you want your troops to face dangers they didn't have to?
For example, would you replace the (relatively) new bomb-diffusion bots with humans, just so they could face dangers?

POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-04-25 11:59 PM | REPLY

Because we have always declared that when the enemy fights hiding behind women and children that's cowardly fighting. It's called fighting with honour. As far as bomb defusing robots they are still operated in theater correct??

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-04-26 12:03 AM | Reply

For the enemy, not you. Any advantage you can take to preserve human resources should be taken into consideration.

POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-04-26 12:01 AM | REPLY

If you make warfare easy for us you are granting the same ok to do the same to us.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-04-26 12:06 AM | Reply

"If you make warfare easy for us you are granting the same ok to do the same to us."

You're assuming an enemy would wait for an ok, which is unwise and unrealistic.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-26 12:08 AM | Reply

Nothing quite projects "peaceful nation" like sending out swarms of deadly robot 'sea hunter' ships.

I'm so proud.

Oh Lord, Bless thee, our deadly satellite guided sea hunter fleet. And may thy Holy nuclear fusion

bring swift death to all trade routes, where our commerce flows. with laser beams, and justice for DARPA.

amen. and amen.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-26 12:27 AM | Reply

Maybe if the run into that plastic patch the size of France, they can zap it.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-26 12:29 AM | Reply

Yes, I believe we should go back to WWI tactics. When the whistle blows jump out of the trench and run towards the machine guns.

Want to know why France had a hard time in WWII, because they lost a whole generation in WWI.

Women and children, you mean people, why are they specialized.

And Tremain, China remembers the lengths that were taken against Japan when they were the super power. Not to mention it was the allies who freed China.

Anyway China has no interest in self destruction and they didn't steal your jobs, billionars gave them to them.

#24 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-04-26 12:37 AM | Reply

#22

I honestly believe this is a move in response to Putin's unveiling of his nuclear drone submarines. --- for tat. Seems to be the MO of US v. Russia relations lately.

#25 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-26 12:37 AM | Reply

Lately=since for ever

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-26 12:38 AM | Reply

China doesn't want war. They keep saying "we don't war... BUT, we will fight back if you try anything stupid".

Being the far stupider of the two nations, I can bet the US will try something... stupid.

Last time the US sailed a drone submersible in the South China Sea... remember what happened? The Chinese cut the cable and walked off with the drone.

Americans had to beg like little kids whose ball just landed in the mean neighbor's back yard to please oh pretty please give our ball back! LOL

Did the drones make a difference in Afghanistan? Of course not. The US is still stuck there with the taliban stronger than ever.

Drones are not a substitute for lack of brains and lack of courage. They do not have the firepower of a maned platform, whether at sea or in the air.

If you want an ocean drone to be a game changer... if you want to impress the Chinese and the Russians, you need to give it nuclear propulsion. And you need to make it a submarine.

As they say in the navy, "there are only two kinds of boats... submarines and targets".

The US has considered nuclear drone before.... but what happens if it fails for some reason near civilian population area, leaking radiation or falls into enemy hands? That won't be cool, now would it?

#27 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 12:47 AM | Reply

Putin's unveiling of his nuclear drone submarines

Yep. Still can't match Russia. They have a sub and it's nuclear and it carries a nuclear weapon.

The US effort is a "political" fart. Not the real thing. It's not thought out completely and is "rushed".

#28 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 12:48 AM | Reply

it was the allies who freed China.

The allies kept getting their teeth knocked out by the Japanese until the Royal Indian Army (50% of which later become the Pakistan Army), knocked the Japanese out in Burma and showed the world they are not invincible (look up "Battle of Imphal" and "Battle of Kohima").

The defeat at Kohima and Imphal was the largest defeat to that date in Japanese history, with many of the Japanese deaths resulting from starvation, disease and exhaustion suffered during their retreat.

And then the Royal Indian Navy sunk the first Japanese battleship in WW2 using a tiny little boat.

You want to talk history, you should understand, the "allies" used other Asians (Indians) to fight for them yet never acknowledged their sacrifices. So take your white-man history lesson and shove it.

And it doesn't mean a damn thing to the Chinese. They are fully prepared to bury India if they have to.

#29 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 12:58 AM | Reply

Jinnah (founder of Pakistan) and Nehru (founder of India) both promised the British they won't back-stab them during WW2... as long as the British promised to FO back to Britain after the war.

And that is exactly what happened. The Indians fought for the Empire and the Empire FO'ed back to Britain as promised. It's not like they had much of a choice anyway.

#30 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 01:04 AM | Reply

White man history. Hehe I do agree in a way, but the unconditional surrender wasn't signed on the USS Lahore.

#31 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-04-26 01:17 AM | Reply

the unconditional surrender wasn't signed on the USS Lahore.

That's the power of a nuke.

And did they nuke Japan to free China? Or did they nuke Japan because Japan declared war on the US?

Please don't pretend the US did China any favors out of the goodness of it's heart. Nobody buys that.

As for the Royal Indian Army and Navy... they protected India and did it splendidly. They defeated the Japanese and made them retreat and that was that for them... they had no intention of going all the way to Japan and British didn't order them to.

#32 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 01:27 AM | Reply

Video time! Something some of you enjoy and some of you hate (I am looking in Canada's direction)...

Archive footage of Battle of Imphal:

www.youtube.com

Royal Indian Army in France:

www.youtube.com

Nice nostalgia inducing video. I keep getting WW2 flashbacks even though I wasn't born anywhere around WW2-times:

www.youtube.com

No.9 Squadron of the Royal Indian Airforce screwed the hell out of the Japanese with Hurricanes and later Spitfires. The Japanese General gave them his personal sword (or it was taken from him) just before he killed himself in ritual suicide (hara-kiri).

No.9 Squadron became the first Squadron of the Pakistan airforce. And they still got that katana-sword.

From Wiki:

No. 9 Squadron was originally raised on 13 November 1943 at Risalpur. The squadron was formed at Lahore on 3 January 1944, equipped with the Hawker Hurricane IIC, by Squadron Leader A.W. Ridler of the Royal Air Force. During this time the squadron was commanded by then Squadron Leader Asghar Khan and deployed in Burma where it was extensively involved in World War II operations against the Japanese, later being awarded the sword of a Japanese general for its services.

No.9 Squadron visits Top Gun:

www.youtube.com

Bonus video of Pakistan airforce aerobatic team:

www.youtube.com

#33 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-26 06:04 AM | Reply

It's called fighting with honour.

#19 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-04-26 12:03 AM | REPL

That doesn't actually exist. The military doesn't teach that. It teaches you to win at all costs.

Unfortunately you have bitten into the propaganda you need to let that go.

#34 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-26 08:09 AM | Reply

Nowhere in boot do they say hey your way bigger than that person fight with one hand behind your back to make it fair and honorable. Lol.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-26 08:10 AM | Reply

It's kill kill kill blood makes the grass grow.

#36 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-26 08:10 AM | Reply

Maybe if the run into that plastic patch the size of France, they can zap it.

#23 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Speaking of that wouldn't it be nice if the drones picked up the plastic patch when they didn't have anything important to do?

#37 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-04-26 09:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's called fighting with honor.
#19 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

I use to like watching G.I. Joe as a kid too, but that isn't what war is really like. They actual shot people in war.

#38 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-04-26 09:21 AM | Reply

"It's called fighting with honor."

Nonsense. If you've got safety possibilities you're purposely ignoring, it's called allowing your own soldiers to be wounded or killed for no good reason. You'd turn our finest fighters into cannon fodder, and all for some cockamamie notion of pride.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-04-26 09:24 AM | Reply

""These will be everywhere," he added."

Most important sentence in that article, IMHO. Russia isn't going to like this but it will provide a way to have conventional war because no one will die when one of these is sunk. HOwever, if we use it to sink a conventional manned ship we risk WWIII.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-26 10:41 AM | Reply

Nothing quite projects "peaceful nation" like sending out swarms of deadly robot 'sea hunter' ships.

#22 | Posted by SheepleSchism

Dude pardon the pun but the ship sailed on that a long time ago. I mean what do you think of the drones in the sky? We just are ahead of the Russians and Chinese at sea now. It doesn't mean I like it BTW.

Good read for you: Russia Is Poised to Surprise the US in Battlefield Robotics.

#41 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-04-26 01:43 PM | Reply

I mean what do you think of the drones in the sky? #41 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE

I believe they're an instrument of terror. We've killed thousands of civilians, many of whom are women and children

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-26 01:52 PM | Reply

A Friend is working towards becoming the captain of the ship in the Navy.

Looks like he's been replaced by machine.

#43 | Posted by Tor at 2018-04-26 04:22 PM | Reply

#41

From your article:

"At present, the Russians are hardly "ten feet tall" in their application of unmanned and autonomous systems. The U.S. still leads in many, if not all advanced technologies and systems. But Russia -- and others -- are catching up fast in important ways. American defense and policy establishment should re-evaluate how it measures threats and develops and acquires new and promising technologies, and add flexibility to conceptualizing and formulating how American forces may fight in the future."

The key takeaway is that the Russians have stripped many of the bureaucratic layers away from the decision making process as it relates to UAVs and their development, which is allowing them to catch up faster than they would if they had a similar acquisition and oversight system as the US does. The problem for the Russians is not speed of progress but quality control, and it will take a lot longer for them to catch up on that aspect of military technology than it will for them to design workable UAVs.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-26 06:16 PM | Reply

Last time the US sailed a drone submersible in the South China Sea...

That was an oceanography submersible, the cool toys don't get caught.

#45 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-04-26 06:41 PM | Reply

The problem for the Russians is not speed of progress but quality control, and it will take a lot longer for them to catch up on that aspect of military technology than it will for them to design workable UAVs.

#44 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-04-26 06:16 PM | FLAG:

They can't even make all aspect stealth aircraft. We mastered the square exhaust in 1977, and then advanced it until it could handle sustained 160 kN without cracking.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-26 06:57 PM | Reply

Yep. Still can't match Russia.

Hardly, but keep rubbing one out to RT and Workers Daily:

The Designer of Russia's First Armed Drone Is Under Arrest

"The Elon Musk of Russian drones is under arrest in Tatarstan, charged with fraud -- a situation that some observers say has the look of a shakedown. Either way, the unusual case could slow the Russian military's UAV ambitions.

On April 16, local law enforcement in Tatarstan arrested Alexander Gomzin, the general director and chief designer for the OKB Simonov Design Bureau, on charges of "abuse of authority, misappropriation of budgetary funds and fraud" -- in essence, lying and embezzlement, according to the Russian news site Business Online.

Simonov's important defense contracts include a mysterious five-ton, medium- or high-altitude long-endurance armed drone, tentatively called Altair or Altius. The group is also working on the Zenitsa air-launched drone and even an unnamed turbojet drone. The firm scored a billion rubles from the Russian government to make all of these marvels of war.

The arrest could slow Russia's military drone development, according to Samuel Bendett, a research analyst at the Center for Naval Analyses. "What this means for the Altair/Altius is that its development schedule will be pushed even further to the right, although the prototypes are near completion and have been test-flown," Bendett said. "Russia definitely needs its own medium altitude / long endurance UAV with ISR and combat characteristics. The Altair/Altius was supposed to be the first one to be completed."

Bendett said that while it is possible that Gomzin was involved in some financial trickery, other aspects of the case suggest the arrest may be a shakedown by the local Tatarstan government to help itself to money that the designer won to build the drones. "The key component here is that he was arrested by the Tatarstan Interior Ministry -- a regional organization. So far, there has been no official Federal response to this," notes Bendett. "If the Altair/Altius UAV is so important to the Ministry of Defense, why did the defense ministry allow Gomzin to be arrested?"

One possibility, he says, is that the Russian ministry of defense "gave the go-ahead to Tatar Interior Ministry to do this as punishment for cost overruns and delays."

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-26 07:00 PM | Reply

The Elon Musk of Russian drones is under arrest in Tatarstan

Frak that guy..... they can buy their drones from China.

#48 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-04-27 12:35 AM | Reply

"Please don't pretend the US did China any favors out of the goodness of it's heart. Nobody buys that."

Some Americans did. Chennault and the Flying Tigers come to mind. 1st Volunteer Group.

"Claire Lee Chennault (September 6, 1893 – July 27, 1958)[1] was an American military aviator best known for his leadership of the "Flying Tigers" and the Republic of China Air Force in World War II."

en.wikipedia.org

#49 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-27 09:15 AM | Reply

I repeat, when we have ships without human beings aboard the consequences of attacking and sinking that ship are minimal compared to the consequences of attacking and sinking a ship with human beings aboard. Drone ships would move the target to those who direct the drone ships, you kill sailors on a Russian ship then expect that the base where those directing the drone ship are to be attacked. Bad idea, probably the U.N. should outlaw them as they have poison gas and make it a war crime to have them. Hey, how long will it be before Russia or China can hack one of these ships and use it against us? You know it will happen. Again, a very bad idea.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-27 09:22 AM | Reply

Replace every time you said "ship" with "aircraft". The first attempt to develop a US combat drone was 102 years ago, specifically to kill enemy warships.

It's not a big deal. If anything it's a huge money saver for those that insist we have to enforce a hegemony.

#51 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-27 10:23 AM | Reply

"Replace every time you said "ship" with "aircraft"."

Totally irrelevant to my post. I'm talking about an enemy, such as the Russians, sinking an unmanned vessel and we respond by sinking a manned vessel with 300 men aboard. The difference is huge, one will result in a diplomatic incident the other in a major war. Drone ships should be outlawed from the sea by international law. We could carry that to planes too.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-28 09:54 AM | Reply

"Force Projection" will be the downfall of the United States, unless Candy Corn Skidmark ruins it first.

#53 | Posted by john47 at 2018-04-28 10:24 AM | Reply

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