Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, April 11, 2018

Some of the more optimistic forecasts on robots forecast that it's not jobs that will vanish, but tasks. That is, about half of the things that make up current occupations are automatable, according to a recent report by McKinsey, however that just means the workers will retrain and transform those jobs into something else. But, but, but: According to a new report by Barclays called Robots at the Gate, those little tweaks to jobs are precisely what makes automation so pernicious: Wages, says report author Ajay Rajadhyaksha, end up suppressed because automation happens in steps, steadily eroding the value of a job as it assumes control of the tasks required to do it.

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According to the McKinsey Report: We previously found that about half the activities people are paid to do globally could theoretically be automated using currently demonstrated technologies. Very few occupations -- less than 5 percent -- consist of activities that can be fully automated. p>

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Damn, I wonder who designs, builds, and keeps them running? I'll bet it is the big robot down below.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-11 05:34 PM | Reply

Robots is a funny word for Mexicans.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-11 07:40 PM | Reply

60% of jobs will be automated? Sounds like the solution is to import millions of low skilled immigrants so we can have an even bigger group of people unemployable in the coming economy - signed, the Democrat Party.

#3 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 more like

-signed the corporations who want to pay as little as possible for the remaining non-automated tasks.

I love it how righty morons conveniently ignore supply and demand when they feel like kicking immigrants.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-11 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I love it how righty morons conveniently ignore supply and demand when they feel like kicking immigrants.

#4 | POSTED BY JPW

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So you feel the corporations are at fault for supplying them jobs? I completely agree. This is was the unholy alliance between big-business owned GOP members and Hispanic vote craving Democrats at the expense of our native born low-skilled workers. So, what is your solution as it doesn't appear to be limiting low-skilled illegal immigration when we KNOW these people will be unemployable in the very near future?

#5 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 09:27 PM | Reply

#3 Sounds like some rwinger doesn't know what they are talking about, as per usual...

Immigration Doesn't Hurt Native Jobs or Wages in the U.S.

time.com

Bu then, that's science, so fake news.

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Robots are the new slave labor, pretty much sans the guilt. People and institutions and corporations need to be looking at science and society and developing new norms for work, education, and leisure.

If we do this right, by putting the people first; their education, their health, and their non-employment contributions to society, we are looking at a new era of prosperity and leisure time. If not, if we don't change our traditions and our expectations, we are looking at miserable disaster and even more corporate dominance.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 09:30 PM | Reply

Immigration Doesn't Hurt Native Jobs or Wages in the U.S.

#6 | POSTED BY CORKY

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Pretty much dumbest thing I have seen written or claimed here. Go talk to anyone legal working in construction in CA how it does not hurt their jobs or wages. Go talk to anyone legal working in roofing (if you can find someone). Like I said, your statement is embarrassingly dumb for even you.

#7 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 09:34 PM | Reply

- Go talk to

For the Moran Brigade, anecdote is STILL not evidence.

But you do raise an interesting question (not really interesting, but apparently the best you can do) to what should we give more weight, a detailed study by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, or some blogger boy who can't spell Butt, "thinks" anecdote IS evidence, and also that science is fake news?

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 09:40 PM | Reply

I love it how righty morons conveniently ignore supply and demand when they feel like kicking immigrants.

#4 | Posted by jpw

Corporate executives are white. Immigrants are brown.

That's why trumpers dont want to go after the people luring illegal labor in to the country. They dont want white criminals to get in trouble. Only brown ones.

#9 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-04-11 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"thinks" anecdote IS evidence, and also that science is fake news?
#8 | POSTED BY CORKY

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First, have your Guatemalan wet-nurse pull her teat out of your mouth. Second, read - or better yet - live in CA and see how the labor force has changed. Here is from a conservative paper the LA Times. I can understand the globalist morons making an argument that illegal immigrants are an overall benefit (it is wrong but I can see why they argue it), but it is beyond dishonest to say that whole industries have not had their wage systems destroyed by mass illegal immigration.

www.latimes.com

#10 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 09:54 PM | Reply

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Corporate executives are white. Immigrants are brown.
That's why trumpers dont want to go after the people luring illegal labor in to the country. They dont want white criminals to get in trouble. Only brown ones.

#9 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

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I am white. If you knowingly hire an illegal immigrant, you should go to jail. Oops, kind of blows up your strawman.

#11 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 09:55 PM | Reply

Corporate executives are white. Immigrants are brown....

#9 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

My dad retired from KPMG as a partner roughly 17 years ago. He and my mom are wealthy especially given that he retired in his 50's. His boss was a black man who is far more wealthy than my dad. Please try and wrap your head around that....

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-04-11 10:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- live in CA

Not necessary as I lived 90 miles from Miami for 20 years..... and your anecdote still isn't evidence and your rejection of scientific studies is still paranoid rwing fantasy. So thanks for proving my point.

-it is beyond dishonest to say that whole industries have not had their wage systems destroyed by mass illegal immigration.

NO, it's more like being honest about the research into the problems and not depending on anecdotes and alt right news for information as you obviously do.... which I excerpt of research shall now read to you since you didn't bother to read, or didn't understand them the first time:

"It's true that first generation immigrants can take more money from state, local and federal governments than native-born citizens, and that especially on a state and local level, it can be costly to educate the children of immigrants.

But the report found that as adults, children of immigrants in the next generation are huge boosters of the economy, contributing more to the government in taxes than either their first-generation parents or native-born citizens.

Republican nominee Donald Trump often warns of immigrants taking jobs. But this report did not find that immigrants reduce employment among native-born workers. Native teens may work fewer hours, but their employment rate did not drop. The only employment rate that may be reduced by new immigrants is that of prior immigrants.

It's the same story with wages. Over periods of ten years or more, immigration has only a small effect on wages of native-born workers.

Those who are more likely to have their wages negatively affected are prior immigrants or native-born people without a high school degree.

In some high-skill areas, immigration may actually increase wages; the report says this is evidence that high-skilled immigrants may be "complementary with natives, especially high-skilled natives; with human capital spillovers stemming perhaps from interactions among workers; or with high-skilled immigrants innovating sufficiently to raise the productivity of all workers.

"The panel's comprehensive examination revealed many important benefits of immigration -- including on economic growth, innovation, and entrepreneurship -- with little to no negative effects on the overall wages or employment of native-born workers in the long term," Francine D. Blau, professor of economics at Cornell University and chair of the panel that wrote the report, said in a statement.

"Where negative wage impacts have been detected, native-born high school dropouts and prior immigrants are most likely to be affected. The fiscal picture is more mixed, with negative effects especially evident at the state level when the costs of educating the children of immigrants are included, but these children of immigrants, on average, go on to be the most positive fiscal contributors in the population.""

But hey, go ask the angry white redneck next door to you in the trailer park, and see what he thinks.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 10:05 PM | Reply

Rex, can you stop speaking Russian, so you don't sound so dumb? More trump approved
H-1B visa' for your people. You know,the real job killers. P.S. where are the coal jobs?

#14 | Posted by zelkova at 2018-04-11 10:06 PM | Reply

So, what is your solution as it doesn't appear to be limiting low-skilled illegal immigration when we KNOW these people will be unemployable in the very near future?

I'm not for unfettered immigration and am perfectly fine with controls and requirements for entry.

But I'm not for a wall, using the military to watch the border and the increasingly draconian treatment of those already here.

Without the draw of jobs we won't have the majority of the problem to begin with. Stem the flow by cutting off the incentive and mop up the remaining trickle with existing enforcement agencies and resources.

But that won't happen both because corporations love the cheap labor and it's too hot a political topic now. I think the Repubs are content being dickish enough to make their toothless base get exited ‘bout gettin' them dern mex'cans while laying off enough to keep the topic alive.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-11 10:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So but back to the thread topic, cool robots who could make this country either a more democratic country of, by, and for the People; as they will have time to focus on solving problems and running the gov directly and be themselves enriched by REALLY cheap guilt-free labor... or be further enslaved by corporate interests who dominate gov by brainwashing rwing proxy voters with cultural divisions and buying their own laws.

Personally, I'll take the former.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 10:13 PM | Reply

I'm not for unfettered immigration and am perfectly fine with controls and requirements for entry.

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Then you are sensible on this topic thus far

But I'm not for a wall, using the military to watch the border and the increasingly draconian treatment of those already here.

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While we do not know 100% if a wall will work, we know 100% that the current system DOES NOT WORK. There is not debate over this fact except for the open border globalists wanting this outcome.

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Without the draw of jobs we won't have the majority of the problem to begin with. Stem the flow by cutting off the incentive and mop up the remaining trickle with existing enforcement agencies and resources.
But that won't happen both because corporations love the cheap labor and it's too hot a political topic now.

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As I said above, the alliance of big-business and Democrats wanting voters. So, you readily admit that your supported solution DOES NOT WORK. So, whether you admit it or not, you reality is to keep doing the same failed policies that we have been doing for 40 years. That is the beauty of Trump's wall. It stops the flow of illegals while bypassing big-business interests and Democrat party desire for voters. On top of that, it also will help to stem the flow of illegal drugs that your solution above does not address at all.

Here is my solution - and the one I think Trump will ultimately propose.

1.) Build a wall
2.) Deport criminal aliens with violent or drug arrests
3.) Give legal status to the remainder with full access to all US government programs (SS, Medicare, labor contracts and remediation, etc)
4.) Give path to full citizenship for those fitting certain criteria (here 20+ years with no criminal record, college graduate, etc). I would actually like to implement a program linking citizenship with college degree for illegals to combat the low academic performance within the Hispanic community.

I don't think my proposal is heartless or cruel. It does 100% further immigration and allows us time to finally integrate the ones already here. The key is ensuring the 2nd generation has the same opportunities as the native born. Would you support this proposal?

#17 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 10:48 PM | Reply

"I don't think my proposal is heartless or cruel."

Try "stupid" and "pointless."

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 10:50 PM | Reply

"I don't think my proposal is heartless or cruel."

Try "stupid" and "pointless."

#18 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

He supports female rape and women being assaulted, Rex...

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-04-11 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

NO, it's more like being honest about the research into the problems and not depending on anecdotes
#13 | POSTED BY CORKY

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You can stop the ridiculous right there. The fact you refer to this as 'research' is equally laughable. Tell me, for this study - how many illegal immigrants are in the US and how did they derive this number? The fact is that they have no idea how many are here so assigning costs and benefits to this pool of people is no more than polishing a turd. Further, the cost of schooling a child in this country is ~$10,000/year regardless of state or city. There is simply no way that the immigrant is paying in this amount of taxes without even taking into account police, courts, national defense, etc that they are also being provided. Now, I am sure the argument will shift to some nebulous 'increase in GDP' nonsense as that is the last bastion of the globalist water carriers.

#20 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He supports female rape and women being assaulted, Rex...

#19 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

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Jeffj, if they are unwilling to accept a compromise as I laid out, it is clear that they are 100% for open borders. Anything other than stating that openly is a lie. Those people should be called out for the traitorous scum that they are as they do not believe in the US and act to undermine it.

#21 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-11 10:56 PM | Reply

So, you readily admit that your supported solution DOES NOT WORK.

Only if you refuse to address the demand side of the equation.

I feel it better to address that as you lack supply without the demand.

Everything else is BS expenditures to avoid addressing the real problem.

So, whether you admit it or not, you reality is to keep doing the same failed policies that we have been doing for 40 years.

LOL lets just ignore what the other poster says and make up their positions for them so my ideas sound less absurd!

It stops the flow of illegals while bypassing big-business interests and Democrat party desire for voters. On top of that, it also will help to stem the flow of illegal drugs that your solution above does not address at all.

It will do neither of those. It just makes idiots think Trump is actually doing something.

So long as the demand is in place people will find a way and we'll just keep spending spending spending spending to stop it because our politicians are unable to actually address the real problem and their moron supporters dream up every and all rationalizations to support their garbage "solutions".

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-11 11:11 PM | Reply

-There is simply no way

I dunno. I'm still having trouble giving your obviously weak-minded intuition the same weight as the research study done by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

But, again, that's science, so not really important to a rwinger.

Kudos for your continued Deflections from the thread topic to your 3rd grade understanding of immigration, though. You must be SO proud!

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 11:30 PM | Reply

Well, we're not going to have robots cleaning and scrubbing the master bedroom, making fresh salsa and chips, or trimming our Royal Palm trees.

Plus, there's something soft about their little hands when plucking delicate California fruits and veges.

So Corky is pro-illegal slave labor. Here in the US, and abroad, using desperate third world laborers, where we don't have to look at it every day.

#24 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So progressive.

#25 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:37 AM | Reply

Three words:

Universal. Basic. Income.

It's not time to implement, but it's time to have a legitimate discussion without all the mouth breathing; especially about how to pay for it. Fundamental changes will be needed, but without UBI, the economy is going to suffer significantly. And we'll REALLY see why 'Tinkle Down Economics' doesn't work.

#26 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 01:45 AM | Reply

Damn, I wonder who designs, builds, and keeps them running? I'll bet it is the big robot down below.
#1 | POSTED BY SNIPER

A hell of a lot less workers it takes to do what ever job "they" are doing that would require maintenance workers to keep them running.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 01:47 AM | Reply

thinks" anecdote IS evidence, and also that science is fake news?
#8 | POSTED BY CORKY

To be fair, anecdote IS evidence; albeit a singular, insignificant point of evidentiary data. Your latter point is spot on, however,

#28 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 01:51 AM | Reply

"But the report found that as adults, children of immigrants in the next generation are huge boosters of the economy, contributing more to the government in taxes than either their first-generation parents or native-born citizens." -- CORKY

Wow, goes directly against the Right's canard that we have a ineffective public education system, don'tcha think?

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 01:54 AM | Reply

While we do not know 100% if a wall will work, we know 100% that the current system DOES NOT WORK.

How do you square this statement with the fact that illegal immigration is at the lowest in 40 years and STILL DROPPING?

#30 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 02:00 AM | Reply

How do you square this statement with the fact that illegal immigration is at the lowest in 40 years and STILL DROPPING

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How many illegal immigrants are there?

#31 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-12 02:33 AM | Reply

#31 | POSTED BY REX_BUYT

You don't know?

Clearly a smaller issue than you would like the DR to believe.

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 02:53 AM | Reply

Clearly a smaller issue than you would like the DR to believe.

#32 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH

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So that is a 'I don't know' from you? Of course, it is impossible to know so your prior statement is pure BS. We have no clue on the flow each direction but I do know that we have so much of Mexico living here already that most of the illegals are now coming from Central America.

#33 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-12 04:19 AM | Reply

I am white. If you knowingly hire an illegal immigrant, you should go to jail. Oops, kind of blows up your strawman.

#11 | POSTED BY REX_BUYT AT 2018-04-11 09:55 PM | FLAG:

You're not the one enforcing the laws. Kind of blows a hole in your theory and in fact your blind support of dotard who is NOT locking up business owners and instead focusing on the brown people negate any claims you make.

Actions speak louder than words. Every single damn time.

"Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants lacks guidelines for businesses that hire them
ABA Journal

While President Donald Trump's administration is cracking down on illegal immigration, with stepped up deportations and proposing a wall on the border of Mexico, it has done nothing to address what some immigration officials for decades have considered the biggest problem: lax or nonenforcement of laws that penalize employers who hire undocumented workers, the Los Angeles Times reports.

But the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business interests as well as members of Congress from the Midwest, which relies on cheap labor for the agriculture industry, supported the law only after sanctions for employers were weakened, said Peter Brownell, research director for San Diego-based the Center on Policy Initiatives. The result was low fines and a high-bar requirement that employers "knowingly employed" people who were in the country illegally."

www.cpisandiego.org

#34 | Posted by 726 at 2018-04-12 07:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The 'robot takeover' is not going to happen like people think. First of all, robotic mechanisms are very expensive. Many companies are finding that it is actually cheaper to keep 5 unskilled guys on an assembly line than to buy a robot to replace them. Then you have the specialized maintenance, engineering and programming costs involved with robotics. There is also a heightened safety position associated with them. When you have a machine that moves without human input, you have to include all kinds of safeguards. So, it increased the cost of factory real estate too.

However, OTOH, the implementation and maintenance costs are coming down. As new, smaller, decentralized factories are being built, people are getting away from single function, single fitting, machines, and designing the safety concerns at the inception, instead of as a retrofit.

I am one of the people who will be working in this environment in the future, up until i retire.

#35 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-04-12 08:46 AM | Reply

For years now, Corky has been pushing the narrative that robots caused the Rust Belt and that the Lunch Bucket crowd is S.O.L.

Out of the other side of his mouth, he supports illegal labor on the cheap, for desperate third world peoples,
who are paid slave wages, worked 60-80 hrs/week, are given no insurance, no safety, no training, living in squalor.

While the employers pay under the table, skirting taxes, medicare, and SS...all for cheap stuff.

This is the globalist-progressive plan for the world.

#36 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

California's rampant farm-labor abuse - www.salon.com

Silenced By Status, Farm Workers Face Rape, Sexual Abuse - www.npr.org

#37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:09 PM | Reply

"Pretty much dumbest thing I have seen written or claimed here. Go talk to anyone legal working in construction in CA how it does not hurt their jobs or wages. Go talk to anyone legal working in roofing (if you can find someone). Like I said, your statement is embarrassingly dumb for even you."

And gee, who hires them? Mostly it's a white Republican man. Who will vote for politicians who proclaim their anti-illegal immigration stance but who really don't give a crap about it. They support building a wall only because they know it won't change anything but it pleases the dumb folks who vote.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-12 12:15 PM | Reply

"While the employers pay under the table, skirting taxes, medicare, and SS...all for cheap stuff.
This is the globalist-progressive plan for the world."

Opposite of the truth. Progressives support things like DACA which allows people to work legally, thereby not avoiding all the taxes and Sheeple knows that but Sheeple is a liar.
All of us who post here regularly know that but I'm just trying to inform the newbees.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2018-04-12 12:17 PM | Reply

#35 automation doesn't necessarily mean robots and manufacturing.

www.npr.org

Now, of course you'll find articles saying this is hype but it's just an example of automation sans robots that I recentlycame across.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-12 12:33 PM | Reply

Opposite of the truth. Progressives support things like DACA which allows people to work legally,
#39 | POSTED BY DANNI

Where in Mexico is the office located where legal migrants can pick up their worker card before walking through the gates and flashing their worker credentials to enter the country?

I'm sure it exists, because you can't possibly mean that people scrambling through the desert and packed into 18 wheelers to get to Great Grape Valley got their work permits someplace else.

If Trump shut it down, feel free to point to the Mexican office location that existed from 2008-2016.

#41 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:40 PM | Reply

Sheeple knows that but Sheeple is a liar.
All of us who post here regularly know that but I'm just trying to inform the newbees.

#39 | POSTED BY DANNI

Sheeple doesn't want families running through the desert at night, subject to human trafficking coyotes, stuffed into the back of 18 wheelers, and transported to California fruit farms, where they are paid slave wages, live in horrid migrant shacks, and are denied workers rights, safety training, PPE, and paid OT over 40 hrs.

You're a liberal? You support labor and unions? You support workers rights and fair pay?

How can you possibly support exploitative illegal labor?

#42 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-12 12:44 PM | Reply

Immigration Doesn't Hurt Native Jobs or Wages in the U.S.
#6 | POSTED BY CORKY

Pretty much dumbest thing I have seen written or claimed here. Go talk to anyone legal working in construction in CA how it does not hurt their jobs or wages.
#7 | POSTED BY REX_BUYT

Corky posts an article using various studies and science to prove immigration isn't hurting native jobs or wages in the US.
Rex says his construction buddies KNOW their low pay is because of those damn immigrants taking their jobs.

This is the difference between a Democrat and Republican.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-04-12 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If you can be replaced by equipment, you deserve no more sympathy than the Luddites were given. Don't blame others, blame yourself.

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-12 07:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#33 | POSTED BY REX_BUYT

You've reached a paradox: If it's impossible to know how many illegals are in the U.S., than it's impossible to determine whether it's a problem.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 08:29 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Who ---- in your salad?

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-04-12 08:33 PM | Reply

You've reached a paradox: If it's impossible to know how many illegals are in the U.S., than it's impossible to determine whether it's a problem.

#45 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

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If our jails contain any illegal immigrants, then it is a problem - in fact, they have many. I am not claiming to know the exact amount of positive contribution for illegal immigrants and publishing reports talking about it pretending that the numbers have any basis in reality. The report Snoofy/Corky use to justify their globalist agendas do that.

#47 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-13 12:21 AM | Reply

"If you can be replaced by equipment, you deserve no more sympathy than the Luddites were given."

But what if you're the globally poorest, and your job is replaced by a machine?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-13 12:37 AM | Reply

-pretending that the numbers have any basis in reality.

Well, science enables people with above 3rd grade edumacations to make very accurate estimates based on statistical evidence, and then they even use statistical bias to make sure that the estimates are not so wrong as to effect their conclusions.

-Snoofy/Corky use to justify their globalist agendas

There's an interesting stat on what percent of Rex Buyt-Hurt's posts are whiny little rwing diatribes (google that word if you must) which, to no one's surprise, turns out to be 100 percent!

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-13 12:51 AM | Reply

I am considering giving Corky a wedgie. After that I may toss his ass into a picker bush.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-04-13 12:53 AM | Reply

#50

You and what Frank Cotton?

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-13 12:54 AM | Reply

"Snoofy/Corky use to justify their globalist agendas"

You seem about as clever and informed right-winger saying in order to do anything meaningful to fight global warming, we'll have to revert to a life before electricity and the internal combustion engine. Also, do you believe that?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-13 12:55 AM | Reply

Well, science enables people with above 3rd grade edumacations to make very accurate estimates based on statistical evidence, and then they even use statistical bias to make sure that the estimates are not so wrong as to effect their conclusions.
#49 | POSTED BY CORKY

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Great. So how many illegal immigrants are there and how did you estimate that number?

#53 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-13 01:01 AM | Reply

#53

You might actually read the article and then study up on bias in statistical analysis Twinkletoes. That should take you a month or two.

Or you could see an example here:

"As Mexican share declined, U.S. unauthorized immigrant population fell in 2015 below recession level"

www.pewresearch.org

Sooooo..... maybe there aren't as many hiding under your bed as you "think"!

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-13 01:09 AM | Reply

"As Mexican share declined, U.S. unauthorized immigrant population fell in 2015 below recession level"

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A ridiculous statement when they have no clue on the number of illegal immigrants other than self-identifying in surveys.

#55 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-04-13 04:47 AM | Reply

One thing's fer sure: There ain't gonna be no robot plumber.

#56 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-04-13 07:43 AM | Reply

- they have no clue

Sorry, sonny. It's you that has no clue.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-13 11:56 AM | Reply

Well, science enables people with above 3rd grade edumacations to make very accurate estimates based on statistical evidence, and then they even use statistical bias to make sure that the estimates are not so wrong as to effect their conclusions.
#49 | POSTED BY CORKY

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Great. So how many illegal immigrants are there and how did you estimate that number?

#53 | Posted by Rex_Buyt

The answer is about 20 million but don't expect the left to tell you that.

#58 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:07 PM | Reply

I love it how righty morons conveniently ignore supply and demand when they feel like kicking immigrants.

#4 | Posted by jpw

Not true ace. They are the reason wages are so low in the low skill jobs.You do know about supply and demand don't you? Too much labor = low wages.

#59 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't think my proposal is heartless or cruel."

Try "stupid" and "pointless."

#18 | Posted by snoofy

3.) Give legal status to the remainder with full access to all US government programs (SS, Medicare, labor contracts and remediation, etc)

You are right sno, that is stupid and pointless.

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:17 PM | Reply

A hell of a lot less workers it takes to do what ever job "they" are doing that would require maintenance workers to keep them running.

#27 | Posted by rstybeach11

So, lets deport all 20 million.

#61 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:20 PM | Reply

Go talk to anyone legal working in construction in CA how it does not hurt their jobs or wages. Go talk to anyone legal working in roofing (if you can find someone). Like I said, your statement is embarrassingly dumb for even you."

#38 | Posted by danni

You said it yourself ddan.............anyone legal working in roofing. What about all the illegal ones? They are the ones keeping wages down.

#62 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:24 PM | Reply

All of us who post here regularly know that but I'm just trying to inform the newbees.

#39 | Posted by danni

Now that one deserves a very funny flag.

#63 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-04-13 02:25 PM | Reply

"What about all the illegal ones? They are the ones keeping wages down."

No they aren't.

The people who pay the illegals lower wages than they would pay otherwise are the ones keeping wages down.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-13 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, lets deport all 20 million.

#61 | Posted by Sniper

What's taking you so long?

Humpy has been at the wheel for 2 years now.

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-04-13 02:48 PM | Reply

A hell of a lot less workers it takes to do what ever job "they" are doing that would require maintenance workers to keep them running.
#27 | Posted by rstybeach11
So, lets deport all 20 million.
#61 | POSTED BY SNIPER

First, it's actually closer to 11 million based on most studies.

If you would like to share how you decided on 20 million, please go ahead.

Second, the sheer cost of deporting that many people would be insane.

Third, the country would be devastated in the labor market. We already have low unemployment. And a lot of areas would be left without an adequate supply of workers that would take decades to fix.

Fourth, if it weren't for immigration, including illegal immigrants, the population would be shrinking. And that would be truly devastating to the economy. Ask Japan.

#66 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-04-13 03:13 PM | Reply

--the population would be shrinking.

Good. Southern california was a beautiful place in the 70s, with 20 million in LA. Now it's an unaffordable, congested nightmare with double the population.

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-04-13 03:27 PM | Reply

Good. Southern california was a beautiful place in the 70s, with 20 million in LA. Now it's an unaffordable, congested nightmare with double the population.

#67 | Posted by nullifidian

LA does not have 40 million people in it. You're off by a factor of 5.

But it is unaffordable and congested. Some people have to live there because of the industry they're in, but I can't understand why a doctor or teacher or anyone with a job that can be done anywhere would choose to live in LA.

Like new york and san fran, it's a great place to be rich, and a crappy place to be not rich.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-04-13 03:44 PM | Reply

--LA does not have 40 million people in it.

True. California as a whole has doubled from 20 million to 40 million. It's safe to say that southern california has doubled as well, which makes it a congested nightmare, like I said.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-04-13 04:01 PM | Reply

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