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Monday, April 09, 2018

Benjamin Hynden, a financial adviser in Fort Myers, Fla., hadn't been feeling well for a few weeks last fall. He'd had pain and discomfort in his abdomen. In October, he finally made an appointment to see his doctor about it. "It wasn't severe," he says. "It was just kind of bothersome. It just kind of annoyed me during the day." The doctor, John Ardesia, checked him out and referred him to a nearby imaging center for a CT scan, or CAT scan as it used to be called. The radiologist didn't see anything wrong on the images, and Ardesia didn't recommend any treatment. A few weeks later, Hynden, who has a high-deductible health insurance policy with Cigna, got a bill for $268. He paid it and moved on.

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Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies as we were told last week. Lots of people have an extra $10,000 laying around for this.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2018-04-09 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#1 ... Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies ...

I don't know if I buy in to that.

A lot of the house foreclosure sales I see in this area have the local hospital holding a lien on the property.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-04-09 12:05 PM | Reply

my VA doctor called me once 3 evenings in a row saying "go to ER now, which one are you going to, i'm calling them with a note." then she is mandated to finish with "there is no guarantee VA will pay for it."

of course i don't go. they already gave me bad credit and collections calling everyday. ---- that. i'll go, maybe, when i'm half dead...mb 3/4 or 4/5ths dead.

the VA ------ all up my Moffit Cancer visit. i paid $600. out of pocket to accmplish the initial specialist visit (Moffit). after wating over 3 months for VA. my sister, a lawyer for a hospital in SC, is even involved. everybody's pissed.

i called VA in relation to getting reimbursed my $600., nope. seriously, there isn't even a request form. the guy (office of community care) told me i could talk to a patient advocate.

a counselor in a rehab told me once 30 yrs ago that when i say "---- it" i'm really saying "---- me."

i don't think i'm going through with any of these. best thing to do is pack up and hit the road, see the things i want to see, meet the ppl i want to meet. "you can't burn out unless you're on fire," gotta match?

#3 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-04-09 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, for a non-profit they sure charge a lot.

#4 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-04-09 05:36 PM | Reply

#4 "non-profit" only means "no tax".

Joel Osteen is also "non-profit".

#5 | Posted by 726 at 2018-04-09 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 and is another reason why relying on "non-profit" charities to provide essential services is foolish.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2018-04-09 06:38 PM | Reply

Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies as we were told last week. Lots of people have an extra $10,000 laying around for this.

#1 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2018-04-09 11:58 AM | FLAG: Guess you've slept since last week and got confused or you would know that the thread about medical cost and bankruptcies was that it was that they were much more rare than many try to claim.

#7 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-04-09 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies as we were told last week. Lots of people have an extra $10,000 laying around for this.
#1 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2018-04-09 11:58 AM | FLAG: Guess you've slept since last week and got confused or you would know that the thread about medical cost and bankruptcies was that it was that they were much more rare than many try to claim.

#7 | POSTED BY MSGT

No. It was that that study said they were more rare compared to other studies. BUT the article even questioned the study since it had some severe limitations... Which were also discussed on the thread.

#8 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-04-09 07:00 PM | Reply

SYNCOPHANT: My response was to this statement by 726 - "Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies as we were told last week." Just how would you interrupt the implication of his wording?

#9 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-04-09 07:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Don't go to the emergency room unless someone else is paying the tab.

#10 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-04-09 07:50 PM | Reply

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SYNCOPHANT: My response was to this statement by 726 - "Medical costs don't account for bankruptcies as we were told last week." Just how would you interrupt the implication of his wording?

#9 | POSTED BY MSGT

Sarcasm. Heavy sarcasm given he said "Lots of people have an extra $10,000 laying around for this."

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-04-09 07:58 PM | Reply

Local non-profit ER charged a mom $500. for one shot for her 9 year old.

Non-profit nursing home $4K/mo. Wonder if their expenses are audited.

If Medicare and Medicaid were abolished here, our economy would be as stable as a house of cards in a hurricane.

A retired hospital CEO said, "We don't get paid for 20% of what we do," His cut of the 80% who pay is $200K or better. He spends money like there's no tomorrow.

#12 | Posted by codom19 at 2018-04-10 12:01 AM | Reply

"A lot of the house foreclosure sales I see in this area have the local hospital holding a lien on the property."

Link? I'm surprised they can do that.

#13 | Posted by eberly at 2018-04-10 08:39 AM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY CODOM19

Thats the way the Republicans want to do healthcare. They have it so that hospitals have to give care to everyone regardless of their ability to pay. But requiring that those same people buy health insurance?... Thats infringing on Freedumb.

Republican leeches getting healthcare for free while they are driving up my premiums... pisses me off.

#14 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-04-10 08:49 AM | Reply

This is one area where competition raises prices. These machines cost millions and are very high maintenance. The actual need for them is not so high that we need one in every hospital but no business can make a profit by telling customers they can't provide a service so they all do buy their own. As a result the cost is spread among fewer patients at each hospital and the price per patient is higher. In a medium sized city with three hospitals that each have a machine, the price may be higher than at a smaller city with only one choice.

#15 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-04-10 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Thats the way the Republicans want to do healthcare. They have it so that hospitals have to give care to everyone regardless of their ability to pay."

EMTALA is bipartisan. Both parties agreed that it was kind of wrong for people to be dying on the sidewalk.

"But requiring that those same people buy health insurance?... Thats infringing on Freedumb. "

"Those people" you speak of don't have the money to pay for health insurance in the first place which was why the idea of Obamacare was so wrong. They basically passed a law requiring everyone to "afford" a product. Whether they could afford it or not. And the penalties only applied to the people that could afford it in the first place. And it ended up screwing the very people it was intended to support. The rich had their coverage. The poor were not going to pay anything regardless. And the middle class got stuck with skyrocketing premiums, much less choice, and $5-6,000 first dollar deductibles. But in reality, it was nothing more than a first step toward Universal (government) Healthcare where the government got control of your money and your life. Obama even said so. Oh, and with Universal (government) healthcare, you ultimately have no options for redress because an individual simply can't sue the government. So more money to the government with less litigation. Baby sick and you want a second opinion? Nope. You have spent your government approved allotment. 65 y/o needs a heart valve replacement? Nope. The actuarial table say you wont live long enough for it to be worth the investment. Now as you say... That's infringing on Freedumb.

#16 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-04-10 10:11 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The $8,897 is the punishment you get for not being able to afford health insurance. This was a problem long before Obamacare, and it continues. Hospitals are notorious for these practices, like $50 for an ibuprophen.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-04-10 10:23 AM | Reply

This is one area where competition raises prices. These machines cost millions and are very high maintenance. The actual need for them is not so high that we need one in every hospital but no business can make a profit by telling customers they can't provide a service so they all do buy their own. As a result the cost is spread among fewer patients at each hospital and the price per patient is higher. In a medium sized city with three hospitals that each have a machine, the price may be higher than at a smaller city with only one choice.

#15 | Posted by hatter5183

A large part of (not all) the problem is that about 20 years ago, you needed a Certificate of Need to have a hospital. The Certificate of Need basically said yes you can have a hospital. And it kind of determined what services you had to provide to serve the community. How many in-patient beds, what type, etc. You couldn't just open a hospital on any street corner. Then it was no longer required. About an hour later (sarc) specialty and surgical hospitals started popping up on every street corner. They do not have ERs, deliver babies, or provide emergency services to the public. They are almost exclusively for profit cash machines. They don't accept Medicaid or Medicare. In most cases they don't even provide in patient beds for patients should a patient need it after surgery. They turf those patients to one of the Tier 1 hospitals that actually serves the public. Basically, they suck the cash out of the Tier 1 hospitals without providing much of anything back to the community. Add to that the fact that diagnostic centers have also been using that same business model and there is effectively little cash left for the community hospital to operate on. And who owns these cash cows? Many of the same doctors that are on staff in the community hospital. They funnel the for profit patients to the specialty hospitals and leave the for loss patients for the community hospital to suck up. Of course the community hospital still has to pay the doctor.

#18 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-04-10 10:29 AM | Reply

"They don't accept Medicaid or Medicare."

A lot of doctors don't take Medicare or Medicaid...because those services pay less. And in a congested market, it makes sense to prioritize those patients who are going to pay more, all other things being equal.

A lot of doctors don't take the military healthcare insurance, Tricare, either; although more are willing to take that it seems than the other two.

#19 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They are almost exclusively for profit cash machines."

You must be so jealous.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-10 06:45 PM | Reply

#20 | Posted by snoofy: Imagine what would ensue if you and two or three friends bought a new car together and then tried to deduct the operating costs on your individual taxes. Limited Liability Partnerships are a tax fraud perpetrated on the rest of us.

#21 | Posted by john47 at 2018-04-11 09:06 AM | Reply

Wow, for a non-profit they sure charge a lot.

#4 | Posted by visitor_

You think those poor people are going to pay their own bills?

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2018-04-11 12:26 PM | Reply

Well one advantage we have over the other guys is we have lots and lots of them MRI machines... You don't have to wait like you do in the UK or Canada.... yeah we gots lots of them

#23 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-04-11 04:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#20 | Posted by snoofy: Imagine what would ensue if you and two or three friends bought a new car together and then tried to deduct the operating costs on your individual taxes. Limited Liability Partnerships are a tax fraud perpetrated on the rest of us.

#21 | POSTED BY JOHN47 AT 2018-04-11 09:06 AM | REPLY

To carry it farther, imagine that one of your friends causes an accident with the car that causes $500,000 in medical damages to some poor family. Since the finances of the LLP are separated from the finanaces of the owner they are limited to suing the car. You and your friends keep your money and go buy a different car

#24 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-04-12 11:41 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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