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Monday, April 09, 2018

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Duh, she's the chosen Democrat corporate candidate for the next election cycle. Liberals have been talking about this problem for awhile.

#1 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-09 09:30 AM | Reply

I won't vote for anyone taking corporate cash.

#2 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-09 10:38 AM | Reply

Harris is noteworthy as the only Democrat to take money from Mnunchin.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-09 10:45 AM | Reply

All the other democrats he donated to didn't take it?

#4 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-09 10:58 AM | Reply

Need to qualify that. Only Dem in the 2016 primary to take campaign cash.

Both Harris and Brown took money from OneWest, run by Mnunchin, in 2010 just as OneWest was negotiating with the AG office, prior to the "official investigation". No charges were file. Progressives were pretty mad, but it's California so that's meaningless.

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-09 11:26 AM | Reply

Are some Dems turning into single issue voters?

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-09 11:30 AM | Reply

My bad, I forgot to mention the single issue: is it bernie or nah?

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-09 11:30 AM | Reply

Party Dem's represent the highest bidder, Bruce; not you and I.

#8 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-09 11:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The puritopians will ensure GOP majority control.

#9 | Posted by 726 at 2018-04-09 02:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#9 Dem's will ensure GOP control by running a GOP-Lite candidate.

Liberals are done with the elite corporate class.

Don't say I didn't tell you in advance.

#10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-09 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

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The "Woken One" kicked off her campaign by meeting with progressive plutocrats at Martha's Vineyard.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-04-09 02:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, she should be more like Bernie.... oh, wait....

www.opensecrets.org

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-09 03:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Oh yea, the required democratic vow of poverty.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-04-09 03:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, she should be more like Bernie.... oh, wait....
www.opensecrets.org
#12 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2018-04-09 03:00 PM | REPLY

Funny link.

From that Bernie list, total: $2,655,615
Same list for Hillary: $144,574,852

Chump-change Sanders, what a pauper.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-09 05:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#14

Those numbers are both for the 2016 cycle... she also ran for Pres.

But the point is that even the purest of the Puritans accepted at least some corp money, which will prolly continue until money is no longer speech under the law.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-09 05:42 PM | Reply

...some Dems turning into single issue voters?... is it bernie or nah?

#7 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Of course you corporate dems are singularly against Sanders for no reason other than he threatens your corrupt establishment....

2016: "We have to have Clinton because we need to stop trump."

2018: "We have to have Kamala because we need to stop Sanders."

A loser's game and a petty one, hulk.

#16 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-04-09 10:14 PM | Reply

#12 | POSTED BY CORKY;

I like the part where your link says;

This table lists the top donors to this candidate in the 2016 cycle. The money came from the organizations' PACs; their individual members, employees or owners; and those individuals' immediate families. At the federal level, the organizations themselves did not donate, as they are prohibited by law from doing so. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates.
But sure, let's just throw slanders at Sanders.

#17 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-04-09 10:18 PM | Reply

-The money came from the organizations' PACs

Same difference, Jones. We all know Bernie took no corporate PAC money, right? So will any Pres candidate if they want to win.... until the law is changed.

And that doesn't have even a chance of happening if Republicans win.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-09 10:22 PM | Reply

My bad, I forgot to mention the single issue: is it bernie or nah?

You seem pretty tore up over Bernie still.

Oddly enough, his views are actually for the people with being less divisive identity politic garbage.

And he's less the corporate stooge than Hillary and Harris.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-09 11:56 PM | Reply

Kamala Harris is kind of hot.

This is incredibly cynical but she should work that angle.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-04-10 12:03 AM | Reply

The puritopians will ensure GOP majority control.

#9 | Posted by 726

Or maybe the sellouts who guarantee candidates like Hillary who are as at odds with the political tides and will only further the status quo to alienate more voters (yes, those in the middle voting for the other guy or, worse still, staying home) will ensure GOP majority control.

Clinton supporters. Learned dick from the Obama years and learned less from 2016.

But yet still trying to tell everyone else what's what as if they have the credibility to do so.

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2018-04-10 12:04 AM | Reply

Oddly enough, his views are actually for the people with being less divisive identity politic garbage.

It's all Dems got anymore.

Did you read the thread about TrumpJr comparing ----- with his pops?!

That's news now.

#22 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 12:44 AM | Reply

- "This is incredibly cynical..." #20 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

misspelled 'creeper'.

#23 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-10 12:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"My question is this: if a corporation or a corporate lobbyist wants to give you money for a campaign, will you tell them, ‘Thanks, but no thanks'?" a constituent asked Harris.

"Well, it depends. It depends," Harris said.

"Wrong answer," the constituent interjected.

"Well, that's not the answer you want to hear. It doesn't make it wrong," Harris responded.

It does if you want to be president in 2020 as a democrat.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-04-10 01:35 PM | Reply

The problem with Republicans is they're beholden to the people/lobbyists/corporations who "donate" money to their campaign.

Meaning. When candidate X wins the election, they get approached by their donors with requests. Rolling back regulations. Extra subsidies. Cutting funding to social safety nets/education, endorsing wars for natural resources, opening up federal lands, etc etc etc...

Once Democrats start taking money from these same special interests, they become beholden to them as well.

In the end, politicians become mouth pieces for those who own them.

These politicians stop representing the best interests of all Americans. And only represent the best interests of those who own them. Usually at the detriment of all else.

This is why most of us can't get behind politicians who sell out. It's not in our best interest.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- they become beholden to them as well.

On lobbyists: "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being up here." - Jesse "Big Daddy Unruh circa 1966

Money and politics has always been a problem, but until money is no longer considered speech it will remain so... and there are no Republicans who are going to change that while almost all Dems, and the Dem policy platform are dead set against it.

- It does if you want to be president in 2020 as a democrat.

Sounds like the Puritans will sit on their hands again for Trump if they can't get things 100 percent their way.

Bernie took corp PAC money during the Primary... to think he would not have done the same during the General is naive... as is thinking that anyone has ever won the Presidency by not doing so.

Until the rules are changed, unilateral disarmament is political suicide. Only those in power can change the rules.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 03:25 PM | Reply

"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being up here."

I love the sentiment.

But it's not reality.

Most politicians wouldn't dream of disobeying their owners.

Most politicians follow the "don't bite the hand that feeds you", philosophy.

As long as people are willing to vote for them, despite their performance in office, what obligation do they have to look out for their constituents' best interests?

The rich control the media. The media says positive things about the candidates who follow the commands of the rich. If you disobey. You're out come next election cycle.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 03:34 PM | Reply

Once Democrats start taking money from these same special interests, they become beholden to them as well.

#25 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Really? The Dems have been taking money for years and still created a consumer protection agency that Trump basically killed. They put down regulations on Wall Street that Republicans want to repeal. And they have regulated most of the industry, manufacturing and service in this country against the wishes of their corporate donors.

So...whats with the "the two parties are the same" mantra?

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-04-10 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27

The point is where the party stands on money as speech, and we know where that is.... also that the law won't be changed by someone who doesn't get elected because they unilaterally disarmed.

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 03:41 PM | Reply

So...whats with the "the two parties are the same" mantra?

#28 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

They aren't yet; and that is what Clownshack would like to preserve. Corky on the other hand would rather the DNC become the GOP.

Corky, you use "puritan" as a slur against me but I'll take it. There is a sure litmus-test in my mind; is the politician popular enough to win?

As we know, your corporate bought candidates are not; that is why Harris will never win. Sorry my litmus test offends you, but I don't want a candidate guaranteed to lose.

#30 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-04-10 05:04 PM | Reply

- Corky on the other hand would rather the DNC become the GOP.

Sorry to hear about your reading comprehensive challenges. Best of luck with that... or maybe you just said that because you had no real argument.

- a candidate guaranteed to lose.

Saying that about someone who won the popular vote and lost the EC by a fraction of a fraction sounds again like more substitute for no other argument.... if one is to be charitable.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 05:11 PM | Reply

I think Bernie will cry and soil his depends when he loses the next time.

The Bernie Bros will pretty much do the same.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:28 PM | Reply

Hey Bernie Bros!? You hate capitalism, right? Who uses a credit card? Who pays for their cars and homes cash? Who doesn't invest in a 401k?

Idiots.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:31 PM | Reply

Let me get that witty retort for you:

Hey Banner, why are you so butt hurt? - BBros

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:32 PM | Reply

Wash, rinse, repeat. Hypocrites.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:32 PM | Reply

I think Bernie will cry and soil his depends when he loses the next time.

So he'll pull a Hillary Clinton. Good to know.

The Bernie Bros will pretty much do the same.

Much like the HillBots currently are.

Sorry Bruce, you got nothing.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:33 PM | Reply

Remember just a few months ago? When the "worst candidate on earth of all time" the "---- sandwich" "Hildabeast" etc... spanked your old man so hard that he shattered his dentures clenching his teeth at the convention?

Yeah. I do.

That's gonna happen again but 1,000,000 times harder because the next person running against him ain't going to be Hillary who played with the kids gloves on against Mr Alzheimer's.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:35 PM | Reply

#6 Wah wah wah.

Soon you boys will get into the good stuff. Wait 'till punchy gets here. He'll come in swinging.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:36 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

#33 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

#34 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

#35 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Holy scitte Bruce!

Take a break before you have an aneurism.

#39 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:38 PM | Reply

"HillBots"

Excuse me? What might she be running for? Let's talk about the races and candidates. Bernie will be competing with who again?

What are you even jabbering on about?

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:38 PM | Reply

Try to stay on topic Brother. Let's count Bernie's donations from corporate donors together? How many million fingers do you have? I ran out already.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:40 PM | Reply

#6 Wah wah wah.
#38 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

#6 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Yea.

You really should stop posting and take a break.

I can hear you grinding your teeth from here.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:40 PM | Reply

Maybe the head Bernie Bro here can come out of the thread where he is defending gassing women and children to death and teach us about social justice.

#43 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:41 PM | Reply

What might she be running for?

A tissue, to wipe her tears.

She's a three time loser who couldn't win to Trump in the general election.

Too bad the DNC didn't control that election like they did the primaries.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:42 PM | Reply

Break sounds nice. I can turn on the TV and watch Bernie, since he's on there 24/7. Doesn't he have work to do? Or is he on the Dotard's schedule? Social just pays well at least. When he tires of talking, he can go to one of his many lakefront homes and check on the millions he gets from his children's books on how to be a SJW (but not for women or minorities, the fight's not for them).

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:43 PM | Reply

Remember just a few months ago? When the "worst candidate on earth of all time" the "---- sandwich" "Hildabeast" etc... spanked your old man

Yea, all they had to do was fix the primaries.

Again, too bad they couldn't control the general election.

Hillary could have used the superdelegate advantage.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:44 PM | Reply

Great. Sharpen your knives for her Clown. Rally the boys. She'll never spank Bernard on your watch. Not again. The first 10 times were enough.

#47 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:44 PM | Reply

They must've fixed em real good.

Hey. Can you send me the emails that Debbie Wasserman sent you that made you vote for Hillary? They must be a great read.

#48 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:45 PM | Reply

Just short of 20 mins but dinner in my office is done, and I will get back to work.

Come up with some good stuff so that Bernie can finally beat Hillary.

When you find out who he may actually run against (hint, it's not Hillary) then come up with some stuff that might work against them.

Corporate donations may not be the best thing to work on since Bernie loves him some corporate donations.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 05:48 PM | Reply

They must be a great read.

It's almost as good as your current favorite book, "hopelessly delusional".

Have you seen a map of the primary results?

I'll save you the time, heres a link: en.m.wikipedia.org

Hillary won the southern states that all went to Trump. She also lost all the rust belt state to Bernie, that also went to Trump.

Hillary, the worst, most prideful candidate of all time.

Don't forget, IT WAS HER TURN!!

Too bad America didn't agree.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:52 PM | Reply

Come up with some good stuff so that Bernie can finally beat Hillary.

He has, where it counts.

He's still relevant.

She's nothing more than a deflection republicans use to distract their base.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#39 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Just the mere hint of Bernie in a thread is enough to make these nutcases start frothing like trump supporters.

The only thing more pathetic than a trump voter are the hillary supporters that still think Bernie Sanders is why that hag lost.

#52 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-04-10 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- that still think Bernie Sanders is why that hag lost.

NO, Sanders wisely advised his supporters to vote for Hillary, him not being a Puritan and all. It's the morans who didn't listen to Bernie that helped Trump win.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 06:38 PM | Reply

Sanders wisely advised his supporters to vote for Hillary

Careful Corky. Saying anything positive about Bernie and you'll lose Bruce's favor.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 06:43 PM | Reply

"Liberals are done with the elite corporate class."

Does that means you're going to go back to sign carrying and carrying on about the revolution?

Maybe you should just resign yourself to voting socialist or communist, instead of hoping that the Dems will nominate one for their candidate?

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 06:45 PM | Reply

Corky is telling you guys that not even you listen to that old wind-bag. The biggest group of people who refuse to support Bernie is ironically the Bernie Bros. Screw your nuts in tighter and you might begin to understand what Bernie really said when it came down to making progress.

#56 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Screw your nuts in tighter and you might begin to understand what Bernie really said when it came down to making progress.

But who cares what that "old wind-bag" has to say.

Right, Bruce?

I mean. You didn't just contradict yourself, did you?

#57 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 06:53 PM | Reply

Maybe you should just resign yourself to voting socialist or communist, instead of hoping that the Dems will nominate one for their candidate?
#55 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

When you've got the paid shill republican poster on your side, you should realize you're on the wrong side of the debate.

MadBummer is a Trump/Pence 2020 fan boy.

He absolutely hates America having a middle class.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 06:56 PM | Reply

"Maybe you should just resign yourself to voting socialist or communist, instead of hoping that the Dems will nominate one for their candidate?"

It's hard to argue with that, coming from a guy who stands with a minor party that never wins anything.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-10 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Sanders wisely advised his supporters to vote for Hillary

Corky's only agreement with Bernie, which he reluctantly resigned to half-heartedly endorse.

Everything else Sanders related is sabotaged by this same dishonest shill.

#60 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-10 06:57 PM | Reply

"I threw my vote away, you should too!"
--SheepleBomberJ

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-10 06:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I voted to continue poverty and forever wars!" - ----------

#62 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-10 07:01 PM | Reply

= Saying anything positive about Bernie

I've said a lot positive about Bernie... just not about his over-zealous, deaf Bros who couldn't hear him when he told them what was the smart thing to do on election day.

#63 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 07:01 PM | Reply

"I voted to continue poverty and forever wars!"

Oh, there was a "no more wars ever" candidate?
Gee, why didn't they win, do you think?
Defeat ISIS with hugs, you voted for that...

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-10 07:05 PM | Reply

= dishonest shill.

I've been very honest. otoh, you've split your time between ignoring Bernie's advice and cupping Trump's Tommy Johns.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 07:06 PM | Reply

"Hillary won the southern states that all went to Trump. She also lost all the rust belt state to Bernie, that also went to Trump. "

You said the other day that Bernie beat Hillary in WI, MI and PA; he did not. Clinton beat Sanders by 200,000 votes in PA:

Hillary Clinton
935,107
55.61%

Bernie Sanders
731,881
43.53%

en.wikipedia.org

Trump beat Clinton by less than 45,000 votes in PA:

Donald J. Trump
2,970,733
48.2%

Hillary Clinton
2,926,441
47.5

www.nytimes.com

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Hillary won the southern states that all went to Trump. She also lost all the rust belt state to Bernie, that also went to Trump. "

Hillary also beat Bernie in Ohio:

Clinton: 622,915 (54.5%)
Sanders: 467,018 (40.9%)

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 07:27 PM | Reply

#66

You're right, Bernie won Michigan and Wisconsin.

Thanks for the correction.

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 07:28 PM | Reply

"The Rust Belt begins in western New York and traverses west through Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and the Lower Peninsula of Michigan, ending in northern Illinois, eastern Iowa, and southeastern Wisconsin."

en.wikipedia.org

PA and OH are both part of the Rust Belt, and Bernie did not beat Hillary in those two states.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 07:31 PM | Reply

"You're right, Bernie won Michigan and Wisconsin."

Yes.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 07:33 PM | Reply

"He's still relevant."

Also, yes. As of now, he is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2020.

#71 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 07:37 PM | Reply

Everything else Sanders related is sabotaged by this same dishonest shill.

#60 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-04-10 06:57 PM | FLAG:

Hey! How are your buddies Trump Assad and Putin? Gas any children lately? Let's talk Bernie.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 07:49 PM | Reply

You're right, Bernie won Michigan and Wisconsin.
Thanks for the correction.

#68 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-04-10 07:28 PM | FLAG:

FF, but in the honest way because it made me laugh. Not the FFs that Punchy gives out in his spiteful moments. Those ones hurt my feelings and make me cry into the pages of "What Happened?".

#73 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 07:54 PM | Reply

"front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2020"

Will he be 96 by then? Maybe he'll be the first POTUS to hit 100 in office.

#74 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 07:55 PM | Reply

Gas any children lately? Let's talk Bernie.

A joke about gassing children and associating it with Bernie Sanders, a Jewish American.

Classy, Bruce.

Do one about lynching children and Obama next.

#75 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 07:56 PM | Reply

time.com

Here's a fun one:

Sanders has also made appearances at high-dollar Democratic Party fundraisers, including one on Martha's Vineyard in 2007 that included more than 100 lobbyists and wealthy donors who donated the maximum possible funds to the Party, MSNBC reported.

The Vermont Senator's campaign has taken money from lobbyists as well, including the National Mining Association and the National Cannabis Association.

#76 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:00 PM | Reply

Bernie Sanders: 76

Joe Biden: 75

Donald Trump: 71

Hillary Clinton: 70

Looks like age isn't a factor, Bruce.

Try again.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 08:01 PM | Reply

#75 - oh, should I not mention that the Biggest Bernie Bros like to support those atrocities?

Is that not cool in Bernieland? I'm going to be a problem when you guys get to be in charge of our thoughts and words.

#78 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:01 PM | Reply

Age is certainly a factor for me. Let's try someone below 60. Just for fun.

#79 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:02 PM | Reply

I do think age is a factor against Bernie, Biden and Warren. However, I still think right now he is the one to beat. A lot can happen between now and 2020 and we don't know who exactly will run, so I'm not saying Bernie is a shoo-in. Also, I think it would be wise for Bernie and his supporters to resist promoting the idea that he is owed the nomination because the DNC rigged the last election. I don't think it's a good idea for people to start to think "It's Bernie's turn." We saw how well that worked for Hillary when people pushed that meme about her.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 08:02 PM | Reply

I don't understand why you keep listing Clinton. Again, it's the GOP and Bernie with the same tactic - They have no merits on their own, so they need to bring up the boogiewoman. She is not running.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:04 PM | Reply

Age is certainly a factor for me. Let's try someone below 60. Just for fun.

Oh really? Anyone above the age of 60 is cut off?

Did you tell Hillary that?

Or is that your new condition. So Bernie can't run? You realize Biden wouldn't be able to run either?

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 08:05 PM | Reply

Looks like age isn't a factor, Bruce.

Based on that, looks like it does.

POTUS going the way of SCOTUS.

And people whine about the boomers.

#83 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-10 08:07 PM | Reply

should I not mention that the Biggest Bernie Bros like to support those atrocities?
Is that not cool in Bernieland? I'm going to be a problem when you guys get to be in charge of our thoughts and words.

I mean, if you gotta bring up gassing children in order to create your slanderous strawman against Bernie and his supporters, so be it.

You'd flag yourself offensive. If you had any morals.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 08:08 PM | Reply

I do realize that ClownShack.

Those folks are stale man.

I am not ready to back any candidate. I think they are, wisely, staying low until closer to 2020.

#85 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:09 PM | Reply

I don't understand why you keep listing Clinton.

You're right. She irrelevant.

Too bad the DNC didn't realize that in 2016...

#86 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 08:10 PM | Reply

#84 Actually, I would like to talk about it more. This policy of hugs and kisses and socialism paid for by Wall Street has a cost in lives.

You can pretend to ignore what happens when American Leadership is weak, but it happens and you and everyone else needs to face it.

#87 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:10 PM | Reply

#86 I'm happy to talk about the real list of candidates. In fact, I would like to.

#88 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-04-10 08:11 PM | Reply

Anyway.

This debate is redundant. And useless.

I've already suggested the backlash to Trump should help any democratic nominee win the general.

But I'd rather have a president who actually cares about regular Americans and America. Rather than the rich and their global interests.

Let's fix our own nation. What a crazy concept!

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 08:13 PM | Reply

"I've already suggested the backlash to Trump should help any democratic nominee win the general."

More so if Trump is the GOP nominee than if he is not, especially people keep saying there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats and Bernie isn't the Dem nominee.

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-04-10 08:19 PM | Reply

"MadBummer is a Trump/Pence 2020 fan boy."

Please see #59.

#91 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 08:52 PM | Reply

"I threw my vote away, you should too!"

In fairness to, um, me...I would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat had I thought that Trump had a chance of winning. Not that it would have mattered as a voter in the state of Idaho.

#92 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 08:53 PM | Reply

"Also, yes. As of now, he is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination in 2020."

Yeah...that'll work. Especially when you consider that many on the alt-right are also members of the white working class. That's one thing I don't think progressives truly understand.

...maybe they will vote for a former communist. Who knows.

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 08:56 PM | Reply

"I've already suggested the backlash to Trump should help any democratic nominee win the general."

It should, unless the candidate is a former communist who stakes his whole candidacy on support from the far left, ceding the rest of the territory to pretty much any other candidate.

#94 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-10 08:59 PM | Reply

"I would have voted for Hillary in a heartbeat had I thought that Trump had a chance of winning."

Hang on.

You figured Trump's chance was even lower than Johnson or whatever guy you actually voted for, or that both had zero chance?

Doesn't matter, because either way, why... why'd you even vote?

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-10 09:03 PM | Reply

...maybe they will vote for a former communist. Who knows.

Who would that be?

#96 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-04-10 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually, I would like to talk about it more. This policy of hugs and kisses and socialism paid for by Wall Street has a cost in lives.

Is it's cost in lives more or less than the cost of spreading democracy in the Middle East? Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya...

And it has nothing to do with hugs and kisses. It has to do with restructuring the way our government allocates money. Maybe less spent on the DoD/MIC. Maybe more spent on infrastructure and education. Just for starts.

You can pretend to ignore what happens when American Leadership is weak, but it happens and you and everyone else needs to face it.

You need to face the fact that the Democratic Party isn't the warmongering global elite party and it will never win that ticket.

#97 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-04-10 09:18 PM | Reply

#65 | POSTED BY CORKY - You? thesmokinggun.com

#98 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-04-10 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#98

I believe that is why Corky insists on appending "Sr." on his formal name.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-10 11:09 PM | Reply

Wow... Sheepdip and RightofNixon in bed together, and without argument between them.

No one is surprised. Not even Bernie.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-10 11:16 PM | Reply

Whatever makes you happy, Capt. Sr.

#101 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-04-10 11:25 PM | Reply

"Who would that be?"

Bernie. Check history.

#102 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-11 07:00 AM | Reply

"You need to face the fact that the Democratic Party isn't the warmongering global elite party and it will never win that ticket."

Bill Clinton was one of the most effective Dem presidents ever. Are you sure yours is a position you can defend?

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-11 07:01 AM | Reply

One could argue that FDR was the biggest warmongering president ever. And a Dem.

#104 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-04-11 07:03 AM | Reply

This thread is awesome. Morally flexible, Democrat corporate militarists vs morally rigid, Democrat anti-corporate socialists. Sounds like a great basis for a long term alliance.

#105 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 07:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Sounds like a great basis for a long term alliance."

Meanwhile, you and MadBomber are too pure to make an alliance, and your party never, ever wins anything.
But, at least you get to claim moral superiority.
And you do. In every thread. Almost like you actually believe it.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 01:29 PM | Reply

#106 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-04-11 01:29 PM | REPLY

Libertarians are winning seats in state legislatures. Classic liberalism isn't dead, it's trending upwards.

#107 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 01:34 PM | Reply

Your feelings are just hurt because you've put yourself in that morally flexible, win at all cost territory.

#108 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 01:35 PM | Reply

Libertarians who think they are classic liberals, rofl... mostly they are two-time GW voters who won't admit what they are.

#109 | Posted by Corky at 2018-04-11 01:59 PM | Reply

"Libertarians are winning seats in state legislatures."

Are they now?
Do they caucus R or D?

#110 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 02:08 PM | Reply

"Your feelings are just hurt because you've put yourself in that morally flexible, win at all cost territory."

Reminds me of something...
Oh yes, here it is:
"But, at least you get to claim moral superiority.
And you do. In every thread. Almost like you actually believe it."

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 02:15 PM | Reply

Do they caucus R or D?

#110 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-04-11 02:08 PM | REPLY

Both & none depending on the office held.

and I didn't talk about myself, here, or most other threads I post in. If you don't like being morally flexible, then join the inflexible Democrats here and get used to losing more often.

#112 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 05:14 PM | Reply

"and I didn't talk about myself, here, or most other threads I post in."

So? Are you unable to discern insight into someone's character, from the things they say?

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 05:29 PM | Reply

So? Are you unable to discern insight into someone's character, from the things they say?

#113 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-04-11 05:29 PM | REPLY

"And you do. In every thread."

#111 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-04-11 02:15 PM | REPLY

Most of my comments are simple technical posts. If that's moral superiority, I suspect you have some cognitive bias influencing how you read it, compounded by the lack of inflection in text.

#114 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 05:59 PM | Reply

"Most of my comments are simple technical posts."

Yeah, no. We're #94 in murder is a little bit more than that.

#115 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-04-11 06:02 PM | Reply

That's what you want to read into it. I'm not going to stop you, have at it. It's apparently important to you.

#116 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-04-11 06:30 PM | Reply

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