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Sunday, March 18, 2018

Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J S Davies, Common Dreams: March 19 marks 15 years since the U.S.-U.K invasion of Iraq in 2003, and the American people have no idea of the enormity of the calamity the invasion unleashed. The US military has refused to keep a tally of Iraqi deaths. General Tommy Franks, the man in charge of the initial invasion, bluntly told reporters, "We don't do body counts." One survey found that most Americans thought Iraqi deaths were in the tens of thousands. But our calculations, using the best information available, show a catastrophic estimate of 2.4 million Iraqi deaths since the 2003 invasion. The number of Iraqi casualties is not just a historical dispute, because the killing is still going on today. Since several major cities in Iraq and Syria fell to Islamic State in 2014, the U.S. has led the heaviest bombing campaign since the American War in Vietnam, dropping 105,000 bombs and missiles and reducing most of Mosul and other contested Iraqi and Syrian cities to rubble.

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As we begin the 16th year of the Iraq war, the American public must come to terms with the scale of the violence and chaos we have unleashed in Iraq. Only then may we find the political will to bring this horrific cycle of violence to an end, to replace war with diplomacy and hostility with friendship, as we have begun to do with Iran and as the people of North and South Korea are trying to do to avoid meeting a similar fate to that of Iraq.

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Like Hitler, had W. Gone to art school this would be a different world today.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-17 05:19 PM | Reply

Remember all those people in 2003 who argued Bush was a genius? Good times.

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-17 05:20 PM | Reply

Keep in mind Americans are still dying in Iraq

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-03-17 06:25 PM | Reply

I wish there were a way to make everyone that supported that war and that stupid president to pay from their own lives.

Pigs.

typical republicløwn$... they pay for nothing.

#4 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-03-18 05:08 PM | Reply

I wonder if Bush actually believed his own BS when he started planning to invade?

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2018-03-18 05:16 PM | Reply

yes we know. they are ALL war criminals. some to lesser degrees, but every participant from pundits like David Brooks to the pilot to the grunt, are culpable and, indeed, criminal.

#6 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-03-18 05:27 PM | Reply

#4 there is, US joins the world criminal court (ICC).
en.m.wikipedia.org

#7 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-03-18 05:30 PM | Reply

crimes against humanity.

#8 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-03-18 05:31 PM | Reply

I've been screaming this from the rooftops for years now. I was belittled right here for not supporting war loving Hillary.

Madeline Albright said it on public TV when asked if killing 500,000 civilian children was worth it to invade Iraq... Her answer: "yes I think it was worth it"

Here it is:
www.youtube.com

anyone who can watch that garbage and not be outraged has been desensitized to the emotional level of a mold spore.

#9 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-03-18 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Was the context of Albright's statement a theoretical situation in which Iraq had ICBM's and was ready to use them?

#10 | Posted by Tor at 2018-03-18 05:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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I met an Iraqi last night, he asked me if I was celebrating St. Patrick's Day. He said in Iraq there is no celebration, only war.

Congratulations, Republicans. You Built That.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-18 05:35 PM | Reply

Eventually the truth comes out. Nothing Trump and the Republicans can't lie about forever though. Early on it was determined statistically that a million people had been killed. But the Government and their sheep insisted it was only a hundred thousand, as if that was no big deal.

#12 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-03-18 06:13 PM | Reply

This mostly hapapened more than a week ago so it is ancient history, those who voted for Bush and then voted for Trump still sleep well because they lack the intellectual capacity to link their votes to millions of people dying. I said it years ago, those who voted for Bush (twice) should have lost their right to vote forever.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2018-03-19 06:45 AM | Reply

Was the context of Albright's statement a theoretical situation in which Iraq had ICBM's and was ready to use them?

#10 | POSTED BY TOR AT 2018-03-18 05:35 PM | FLAG:

Did we find any ICBM's ?

The winners get to write history, not the losers.

#14 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-03-19 07:06 AM | Reply

Why do we keep hiring terrible businessman to run the country? Trump can't create a product that is profitable except his own name. Bush ran a few companies into the ground. And both sabotaged the deficit.

Democrats having to pick up the mess and fix the budget is getting a bit old.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-03-19 10:50 AM | Reply

Sure. Doubling the national debt, like the last guy, was genius.

#16 | Posted by homerj at 2018-03-19 11:41 AM | Reply

Sure. Doubling the national debt, like the last guy, was genius.

#16 | POSTED BY HOMERJ

I know. I was also pretty disappointed when Obama made the Bush tax cuts permanent.

#17 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-03-19 12:20 PM | Reply

Bring back the boys home and stop fighting for Globalists, saboteurs and european style socialists. Let them fight their war which they will not. They never did, they never will.

#18 | Posted by Hrizvi at 2018-03-19 03:51 PM | Reply

Sure. Doubling the national debt, like the last guy, was genius.

#16 | POSTED BY HOMERJ AT 2018-03-19 11:41 AM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Still bugs you that Obama has done a better job than your last two offerings?

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-03-19 04:06 PM | Reply

We've been waging wars in the Middle East, especially Iraq, forever. Operation desert storm (1993?) never really ended.

Also, let's not pretend it's all Republicans. Democrats have just as much blood on their hands. Not only did Obama continue BushJr's wars (Afghanistan and Iraq). But he also started a war in Libya and Syria. And carried out drone strikes throughout Yemen and Oman.

As a matter of fact, "America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776"

www.globalresearch.ca

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-03-19 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Every intel source in the world said he had WMD.

#21 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-03-19 07:00 PM | Reply

Every intel source in the world said he had WMD.
#21 | POSTED BY SNIPER

You had better link up for that bout of nonsense.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-03-19 07:03 PM | Reply

Every intel source in the world said he had WMD.
#21 | POSTED BY SNIPER

You had better link up for that bout of nonsense.
#22 | POSTED BY RSTYBEACH11

That ------- moron never knows what the ---- he's taking about.

He's retarded. Or suffering from retardation.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-03-19 07:09 PM | Reply

"Every intel source in the world said he had WMD."

You lie.
Bigly lies.
Sad!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-19 08:21 PM | Reply

A big Duh!

Iraq will haunt us forever. Thanks Bushco.

"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," he told the audience, drawing applause.
Another slide showed him peering into another part of the office, "Nope, no weapons over there," he said, laughing. "Maybe under here," he said, as a third slide was shown.

Ha ha ha ha. Death is hilarious!

#25 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-03-19 09:22 PM | Reply

"We don't do body counts"

Maybe the only thing they learned from Vietnam?

#26 | Posted by jpw at 2018-03-19 10:51 PM | Reply

#24 | Posted by snoofy Actually the ones we believed were the Iraqis. They gave an account of their inventory of chemical weapons by type and amount back at the end of Desert Storm. We had all sorts of evidence that these weapons had been in some of the bunkers at the ASPs we cleared in the Anbar, but the locals said that something was trucked off in the direction of Syria about a week before we occupied Ramadi. The ASPs were out NE of Hit. You might remember an attempted chemical attack in Jordan, probity using the same weapons in '04.The city of Amman would have died to a man if that attack had been successful. I understand there were over 11 tons of the stuff in a truck, wired up and ready to go. That accounts for about 3% of the inventory. You underestimate how easy it is to hide stuff in Iraq. It has a lot of desert.

#27 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 09:33 AM | Reply

#27

This is the hoariest of Iraq War legends. The Lost Dutchman VX mine.

You guys just love story telling. Explains an awful lot over the last twenty years.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 09:39 AM | Reply

Look at the logic of what you believe. If North Korea we're to be invaded, would the NKs hide their nukes in Russia to prevent them from falling into American hands?

No, of course not. Such weapons are intended to deter invasions, or to punish them once begun.

#29 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 09:44 AM | Reply

I guess this was all a mirage www.cnn.com news.bbc.co.uk

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 09:55 AM | Reply

The CNN can not be accessed unless you go thru google, Try "Chemical attack, Amman Jordan". I guess CNN would rather the world forget that happened.

#31 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 10:05 AM | Reply

he city of Amman would have died to a man if that attack had been successful. I understand there were over 11 tons of the stuff in a truck, wired up and ready to go. That accounts for about 3% of the inventory. You underestimate how easy it is to hide stuff in Iraq. It has a lot of desert.

#27 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2018-03-20 09:33 AM | REPLY | EYE ROLL

Nonsense.... this coming from the crowd that loves to showing how we can accurately insert missle down a chimney from 50 miles away suddenly can't detect find something. you are full of it.

The facts are really simple here. Bush-hole and the rest of neoconfabulators took the "intelligence" gathering of a disgruntled ex-pat working in the US as a cab driver.... and when that was not enough they made $#!† up bout yellow cakes and the danger of aluminum tubes. It has also be demonstrated that it was ginned up to get the gullible to go along. Meanwhile bin Laden is setting up camp in Pakistan.

I

#32 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-03-20 10:08 AM | Reply

#32 | Posted by RightisTrite So do explain where these guys got their chemical weapons in this attempted attack.

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 10:42 AM | Reply

I guess this was all a mirage www.cnn.com news.bbc.co.uk

#30 | Posted by docnjo at 2018

Can't open the link. But yes, if whatever it is makes you think you've got some smoking gun on this subject, you've been fooled or fooled yourself.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 10:55 AM | Reply

This folk legend about missing tons of chemcial agents in Iraq appeared very shortly after American forces were crowded in choke-points during the invasion and WERE NOT shelled with chemical weapons, when they would have been most effective.

#35 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 10:58 AM | Reply

Let's apply the same standard to Iraqi WMD as the Right wants to apply to Mueller's investigation: Nothing found after a year, ergo, nothing to find.

#36 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 11:00 AM | Reply

#34 | Posted by Zed Go through google. Different archive. Search "Chemical attack Amman Jordan"
#35 | Posted by Zed Actually the Generals under Saddam were not idiots, they knew they were loosing, despite what Saddam's sycophants were telling him. Using Chemical weapons would have got them hung. Just like many of the individuals with Chemical Ali who used chemicals on the Kurdish people and the Iranians. Besides we have a policy of retaliation in kind when it comes to WMDs. Hint: we do not use chemical or bio weapons.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 11:18 AM | Reply

Endless Wars - peacedividend.us

#38 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-20 11:30 AM | Reply

#36 | Posted by Zed The big difference is they admitted they had them, and they had used them on multiple occasions. Plus they were involved in a shell game that was so obvious it it became comic. Remember the UN inspections? You might remember the Israeli bombing the crap out of Saddam's reactor while it was under construction back in the 90s. I believe the Israelis have better intelligence abilities in that part of the world. I doubt Saddam would have used that reactor to produce electricity, as he sat on one of the largest oil and gas reserves on the planet.

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 11:37 AM | Reply

Sorry, typo- Operation Opera, 7 June 1981.

#40 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 11:39 AM | Reply

Using Chemical weapons would have got them hung.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 11:18 AM | Reply

So they packed them all neatly away to Syria before the war even started, under Saddam's nose?

If it were the generals refusing, we'd have found this stuff in the field.

Logic shouldn't just be a Liberal habit.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 11:56 AM | Reply

Remember the UN inspections?

#39 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 11:37 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The ones W. stopped before they finished because he wanted a war so badly? Yes, I have some vague recollection.

You're getting me back in touch with how much I despised Republicans in the W. years, and how much that man has still to answer for.

That you guys would then propose and elect the current abortion in the WH underlines how much you just need to go away. The world is a much more safe, and democratic, place without you.

#42 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 12:00 PM | Reply

What's going on in this country reduces to a psychological problem. Paranoia has some uses when it's applied to the right subjects. You guys keep using it on the wrong damned things. As a result you look crazy, and get suckered constantly.

#43 | Posted by Zed at 2018-03-20 12:03 PM | Reply

Using Chemical weapons would have got them hung.

Saddam was hung. After a "fair and impartial" jury found him guilty of everything BushCo accused him of.

Who knew Saddam was the glue holding the Middle East together.

Now ISIS (Saudi Arabia) is running amok in Iraq and Syria

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-03-20 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44 | Posted by ClownShack You seriously underestimate how much the Shea and Sunni hate each other, and how long and deep this hate has been ingrained into each side. This has been going on sense Ali was assassinated.(about 40 years after Mohammad died). Saddam persecuted the Shea mercilessly. The Shea are now getting their turn at bat. Remember the mass killing of Shea by ISIS around Mosul? This is a civil war with sponsors, The Saudis back the Sunni, the Iranians back the Shea. The Iraqis do the dying.

#45 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-03-20 12:20 PM | Reply

Mueller lied, people died.

www.youtube.com

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-03-20 12:26 PM | Reply

You had better link up for that bout of nonsense.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11

You need to improve your very short memory.

#47 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-03-20 12:28 PM | Reply

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
As Delivered
Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program.
Bla,bla,bla
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-03-20 12:31 PM | Reply

Suddenly rwingers want to talk about Bush lying us into a war in Iraq?

Just when Donnie needs all the Distractions he can get?

Imagine that!

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-20 12:34 PM | Reply

A big Duh!

Iraq will haunt us forever. Thanks Bushco.

"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be here somewhere," he told the audience, drawing applause.
Another slide showed him peering into another part of the office, "Nope, no weapons over there," he said, laughing. "Maybe under here," he said, as a third slide was shown.

Ha ha ha ha. Death is hilarious!

#25 | Posted by donnerboy

nsarchive2.gwu.edu

#50 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-03-20 12:36 PM | Reply

Who knew Saddam was the glue holding the Middle East together.
Now ISIS (Saudi Arabia) is running amok in Iraq and Syria
#44 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

And now we're being told by the same actors that Russia has "attacked us on our own soil" and has 'attacked our allies on their soil with Vx".

Russia just announced the mother-of-all-missiles.

How long until we're being told we need to invade?

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-03-20 02:46 PM | Reply

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