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Wednesday, February 28, 2018

A 60% rise in one year. Swastikas spray painted on buildings in my city. I propose an immediate suspension of Godwin's law in DR so we can stop pretending we haven't seen this before. We need to address it now, not sit idly by. We need to be able to compare present conditions to pre-NAZI Germany without being cuttoff at the first mention of Hitler or NAZis

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Trump has always struck me as an un-talented Hitler. But he's been smart enough to attack every governmental entity that might act as a natural counter-check to personal ambitions.

He's not complaining that Xi's now dictator for life, because that's where he'd like to see himself.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-28 12:03 PM | Reply

The narrative of trying to link this to Trump doesn't jive with the one that he's a Zionist puppet, considering the stunt he pulled with moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Someone should look into the influence Israel has had on our elections.

And it's likely that the rise in NEO-nazi and racist propaganda is being funded by foreign sources, like Moscow. But let's not worry about that, it's far more important that we whinge about their involvement in 2016 campaign advertising, as if that were the deciding factor in why Hitlery lost.

#2 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 12:15 PM | Reply

The narrative of trying to link this to Trump doesn't jive with the one that he's a Zionist puppet

#2 | Posted by sentinel

Trump is an opportunist, just like Hitler was. I think you'll find most so-called contradictions to his behavior explainable by that.

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-28 12:18 PM | Reply

Practically all politicians are opportunists, just like Hitler was. Not sure what this comparison is going to accomplish. Other than signaling those making the comparison want to lose elections.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And it's likely that the rise in NEO-nazi and racist propaganda is being funded by foreign sources, like Moscow."

And Trump won't even order the NSA to take action against Russian hacking into different parts of our election system. Whatever Russia does, while Trump protects them from any actions from our country, implicates him too.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-28 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Practically all politicians are opportunists, just like Hitler was."

You are full of crap. Most politicians are ambitious but that doesn't make them, in any way, "just like Hitler was."

#6 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-28 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not sure what this comparison is going to accomplish. Other than signaling those making the comparison want to lose elections.

#4 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 12:24 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Why? Because Trump gets five power-enhancing gold rings every time someone points out his authoritarian impulses?

Trump finds it hard to come down on fascists and the Russians because he sees both of them on his side.

#7 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-28 12:27 PM | Reply

We need to be able to compare present conditions to pre-NAZI Germany without being cuttoff at the first mention of Hitler or NAZis

The ADL estimates the number of Neo-Nazis in the entire USin 2017 to be between 2500 and 5000 total members:

Neo-Nazis comprise one of the most visible and public elements of the white supremacist movement, as well as one of the most detested.

The neo-Nazi movement arguably reached its peak in the 1990s, thanks to the National Alliance and its founder, former Rockwell disciple William Pierce. The National Alliance was the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States, numbering some 1,500 members at its height. The National Alliance even purchased a white power music company, Resistance Records, to increase its reach and bring in more cash.

However, the story of the neo-Nazi movement in the 21st century has largely been one of declining numbers and importance, at least in terms of organized groups. Pierce died suddenly in 2002 and his successors virtually destroyed the National Alliance, causing factionalization, mass defections, and the collapse of Resistance Records.

This decline was echoed by Aryan Nations, the second most important neo-Nazi group. Defections and infighting began even before leader Richard Butler's death in 2004 and continued long after. Today there are a variety of competing Aryan Nations factions, with Dennis McGiffen's Illinois-based Aryan Nations Sadistic Souls competing with Morris Gullet's Louisiana-based Church of Jesus Christ Christian for the top of the heap. Nevertheless, Aryan Nations today is much smaller than its 1990s equivalent.

More or less by default, the largest neo-Nazi group in the United States is the Detroit-based National Socialist Movement (NSM), with around 350 members in the entire country.

Other neo-Nazi groups are all much, much smaller, with membership in the dozens. They tend to be either small, isolated descendants of the American Nazi Party or short-lived new groups that form largely from splits and defections in other organizations and which tend to cannibalize similar groups for members until they too break apart.

Overall, then, the organized portion of the neo-Nazi movement has for some years been in relatively poor health. ADL estimates the total number of neo-Nazi's in the United States to be between 2,500 and 5,000.

Pretty sure the ADL has the best information on this, and while tracking these groups they are noting that they have been in steady decline, even with Trump in office.

With Hate in their Hearts: The State of White Supremacy in the United States: Neo-Nazis

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 12:45 PM | Reply

The general public is so stupid if they can't see how this is different from every other time we tell them we should suspend Godwin's rule, right? Bush was a Nazi! Clinton's a Nazi! Trump's a Nazi!

Because anyone who's an authoritarian punk is exactly the same as a Nazi, amirite!?

To this day, I'm still trying to convince the family of my 7th grade study hall monitor that he was an actual Nazi. Why don't they believe me?

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 12:48 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY ZED

Hitler was the un-talented hitler. If hitler had talent, he'd be in art galleries.

#10 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-28 06:04 PM | Reply

- 2,500 and 5,000.

The Stormfront website alone had over 300,000 members when they lost their internet provider.

Neo-Nazi groups
www.splcenter.org

#11 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 06:11 PM | Reply

#11

The SPL doesn't estimate how many neo-nazis there are, they just list the groups they know about, the Anti-Defamation League, who have a vested interest in tracking actual Nazis for obvious reasons, does.

I think I am going with the ADL numbers, which are about as accurate as you can probably get.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 06:18 PM | Reply

sighs... no one said they did in that link. I pointed out the 100's of thousands of online members at just one website.

FashMaps website tracks neo-Nazis in the US

www.aljazeera.com

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-28 06:29 PM | Reply

This whole thread - LOL

#14 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-02-28 10:06 PM | Reply

FashMaps website tracks neo-Nazis in the US

I'm happy for them, when they have been tracking nazis for 104 years like the ADL has get back to me.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-28 10:22 PM | Reply

"100's of thousands of online members at just one website."

How many of those were people who just logged in once because they were curious about the freak show, or felt the need to argue with wannabe Nazi trolls?

And that's before you even get into people with multiple accounts, and those who created new accounts because they were banned or forgot their passwords.

Like, ZOMG, 10% of America are actual Nazis, must be true because of that number!

#16 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 11:06 PM | Reply

"How many of those were people who just logged in once because they were curious about the freak show, or felt the need to argue with wannabe Nazi trolls?"

You never needed a login to visit Stormfront.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-28 11:09 PM | Reply

Assuming of course the web site wasn't lying about its membership base. But that would be immoral. Surely wannabe nazis would never sink that low.

#18 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 11:11 PM | Reply

"You never needed a login to visit Stormfront."

How did you know that ... Herr Snoofy?

#19 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 11:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wait, so is the 300,000 number referring to registered members, or web site visits?

#20 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-28 11:13 PM | Reply

"Assuming of course the web site wasn't lying about its membership base."

It's probably full of Russian bot accounts.
Now where have I heard that before?

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-28 11:14 PM | Reply

"Wait, so is the 300,000 number referring to registered members, or web site visits?"

Do you know what Alexa.com is?
Figure it out.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-28 11:15 PM | Reply

"How did you know that ... Herr Snoofy?"

From googling copypastas from people like you, and finding them on StormFront.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-28 11:16 PM | Reply

-registered members

"Stormfront Hit 300,000 Members Today"

www.stormfront.org

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-01 12:01 AM | Reply

At least I'm not a pedophile, just like you.

#25 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 12:03 AM | Reply

Does anyone else think its weird that Corky spends so much time on Stormfront?

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-03-01 12:04 AM | Reply

#25 was in response to snoopy.

#27 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 12:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 |

---- you, bitch.

Someone wants verification and I got it for them from the source.

What's weird is how much time you spend on your knees with Trump.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-01 12:18 AM | Reply

#27 |

I flagged that NW because for a moment there... naw!

#29 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-01 12:19 AM | Reply

It's weird how stormfront uses the same forum layout as a certain Doctor Who forum, which also has over inflated membership numbers compared to relatively few active users.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 12:34 AM | Reply

The point, Professor, is that even if the site only had half the numbers they say, that in no way reflects the "5,000" Neo-Nazi number mentioned.

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-01 12:43 AM | Reply

"At least I'm not a pedophile, just like you."

Wait... so you are a StormFront regular?

I appreciate that people like you come here and feel that it's okay for you to be honest about your beliefs.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-01 12:45 AM | Reply

If it's anything like the Doctor Who forum, the 5000 number would be a more accurate representation of its proportional number of actual users.

#33 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 12:51 AM | Reply

32: wait, so you are a pedophile?

Gosh, I guess that backfired on me.

#34 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 12:53 AM | Reply

Calling someone a pedophile is the worst sort of Abuse. Besides indicating a small mind and a smaller dick, I mean.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2018-03-01 01:33 AM | Reply

"32: wait, so you are a pedophile?"

^
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-01 01:44 AM | Reply

I'm flattered that you're trying to imitate me, but you misunderstood. i said I don't sleep with less than 28-year old women, not 20 eight-year old women!

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-03-01 06:30 AM | Reply

#31

Still focused on Stormfront I see, it is interesting that you believe them over the ADL.

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-03-01 03:19 PM | Reply

"ADL estimates the total number of neo-Nazi's in the United States to be between 2,500 and 5,000"

SPLC was asking 10,000, but the ADL jewed them down.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-03-01 03:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I see what you did there

#40 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-03-01 03:55 PM | Reply

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