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Special counsel Robert Mueller turned up the pressure on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, as a federal grand jury returned a new indictment Thursday charging the two men with tax and bank fraud. The new 32-count indictment returned by a grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia comes after Mueller separately charged the pair in Washington last year with money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine. The new indictment accuses Manafort and Gates of repeatedly understating their income on federal tax returns and of bank fraud surrounding three loans Manafort applied for in connection with various homes he owns. No new defendants were charged in the indictment, but it alleges that the men had a "conspirator" at at least one of the lenders from which Manafort obtained the loans.

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#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-22 05:20 PM | Reply

32 nothingburgers is a lot. I hope they are White Castle-sized nothingburgers or we'll be sick from eating so many.

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2018-02-22 05:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

This means plea deals were not happening. M+G might think Trump will save them, or Mueller may not need their testimony, or he is upping the pressure.
Either way Trump doesn't seem to hire the best people.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-22 05:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So much winning! This "fishing expedition" is getting exhausting and we haven't even hooked the Bigly Fish yet!

So come up to the lab... and see what's on the slab

I see you shiver with........ anticipation

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#4 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 05:52 PM | Reply

Ex-Trump Staffer Rick Gates Fires His Lawyer in Russia Probe

Paul Manafort's long-time deputy has terminated Tom Green, the Washington attorney who reportedly tried to get him a plea deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

www.thedailybeast.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 05:57 PM | Reply

I'll say this for Mueller, he's doing a good job of finding dirty money.

If Trump really wanted to drain the swamp, he should hire Mueller to do it.

This is the way to uncover US-global financial crimes, and take out EVERYBODY doing it.

Screw the partisanship. We should be able to agree we're all sick of criminal politics and the fleas, ticks, and chiggers that ride on them.

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-02-22 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"If Trump really wanted to drain the swamp, he should hire Mueller to do it."

YUP.

If Trump really wanted to drain the swamp he would quit putting big old ugly alligators in it.

#7 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 05:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

That's a lot of indictments. At what point does Manafort accept that the jig is up?

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-02-22 06:03 PM | Reply

That's a lot of indictments. At what point does Manafort accept that the jig is up?

#8 | POSTED BY MODER8

Now. Like literally right now.

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#3
no such thing as a pre-emptive pardon..you have to be charged and convicted before a pardon can be given. trumps federal pardon won't stop the states from incarcerating these fellas. the dutch lawyer getting jammed the other day is making it more apparent where Mueller is headed. Prediction..it won't be long before wilbur harris is outed for his bank of malta intrigues.

#10 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-02-22 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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Could it be that the number of indictments of the Trump administration will surpass the number of students shot and killed in schools under the Trump administration?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-22 06:07 PM | Reply

Yes. There are good people working to keep this country safe and successful.

Republicans don't want that.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-22 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Whatever they know, Mueller will soon know. It's not like they are going to spend the rest of their lives in prison for Donnie Drumpf.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-22 06:30 PM | Reply

Whatever they know, Mueller will soon know. It's not like they are going to spend the rest of their lives in prison for Donnie Drumpf.

From a prosecutors standpoint, 44 charges in two separate indictments is a lot of leverage, so if Manafort has anything to exchange on Trump or his campaign it better be YUGE and he better do it sooner rather than later to try to lessen his punishment, since after reading the indictments we are looking at tens of millions of dollars of fraud and tax evasion.

This type of layering of indictments may signal that Mueller would be willing to exchange a reduced sentence on the first indictment for cooperation against the Administration, but the second indictment stands alone, since the IRS doesn't take kindly to tax evasion.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-22 06:40 PM | Reply

32 nothingburgers is a lot. I hope they are White Castle-sized nothingburgers or we'll be sick from eating so many.

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2018-02-22 05:44 PM | Reply | Flag

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I want a bag of Krystal's now.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-22 06:42 PM | Reply

Prediction..it won't be long before wilbur harris is outed for his bank of malta intrigues.

#10 | Posted by ABlock

Good call.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 06:44 PM | Reply

#10 | POSTED BY ABLOCK

"no such thing as a pre-emptive pardon."

Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich before Rich had been tried. Rich evaded trial by fleeing the country.

#17 | Posted by old_geezer at 2018-02-22 06:46 PM | Reply

Because we hard hittin', always bitten, cool as hell
We got the trees on the mirror so the car won't smell
Because being bad news is what we're all about
We went to White Castle and we got thrown out.

--Paul Manyfart & Rick "The Dick" Gates

#18 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-22 06:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#10 | POSTED BY ABLOCK

"no such thing as a pre-emptive pardon."

Ford to Nixon.

#19 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-22 06:57 PM | Reply

Re #17

Clinton's critics alleged that Rich's pardon had been bought, as Denise Rich had given more than $1 million to Clinton's political party (the Democratic Party), including more than $100,000 to the Senate campaign of the president's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and $450,000 to the Clinton Library foundation during Clinton's time in office.

#20 | Posted by old_geezer at 2018-02-22 06:58 PM | Reply

Bill Clinton pardoned Marc Rich before Rich had been tried. Rich evaded trial by fleeing the country.

#17 | Posted by old_geezer

He fled before he was indicted and never returned.

As a condition of the pardon, it was made clear that Rich would drop all procedural defenses against any civil actions brought against him by the United States upon his return there. That condition was consistent with the position that his alleged wrongdoing warranted only civil penalties, not criminal punishment. Rich never returned to the United States.

Regardless, it was not one of Clinton's best decisions. Even he regrets it now.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 07:00 PM | Reply

"On Thursday, Gates hired Tom Green, a longtime Washington criminal defense lawyer whose resume dates to the Nixon-era Watergate scandal. Green has represented high-profile politicians and helped negotiate a plea deal for disgraced former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert. Three of Gates's lawyers had sought to exit the case, and it appears that Green will replace them."

www.bloomberg.com

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The outlook wasn't brilliant for the Mudville nine that day:
The score stood four to two, with but one inning more to play,
And then when Cooney died at first, and Barrows did the same,
A pall-like silence fell upon the patrons of the game.

......

Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout,

But there is no joy in Mudville -- mighty Casey has struck out.

www.poets.org

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-22 07:01 PM | Reply

BTW- after the Marc Rich case in 1989 the U.S. Justice Department ceased using statutes of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (otherwise known as the RICO Act) in tax cases such as the one in which Rich and Green were indicted, and began relying instead on civil lawsuits.

And now you know the rest of the story...

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 07:02 PM | Reply

Gal's and Corky's links in #5 and #22 don't agree. Did Gates hire or fire Green?

#24 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-22 07:16 PM | Reply

Now there is some question if Gates's attorney is out:

Chris Geidner @chrisgeidner (Buzzfeed)
UPDATE: Asked to confirm that he is representing Rick Gates -- and about the Daily Beast reporting that he was fired, Tom Green tells me, "It is ludicrous and I am representing him."

Daily Beast stands by its reporting:

Betsy Woodruff‏ @woodruffbets
My reporting is correct. It may take a day or two for Green's formal relationship with Gates to legally unravel. But he's out.

NEW: Gates' new lawyer is Barry Pollack of Miller Chevalier (Kevin Downing's old firm)

I googled Pollack, and he was (is?) Julian Assange's US attorney:

Assange has not been publicly charged with a crime in the United States, but his legal team believes he may be charged "under seal,"
thehill.com

So, we'll have to wait and see.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 07:17 PM | Reply

Buzzfeed reporter added this:

Chris Geidner‏ @chrisgeidner
While it is possible that a decision has been made to replace Green -- although he tells me the firing claim is "ludicrous" -- he is still representing Gates, so he has not been fired.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 07:20 PM | Reply

Gal is smarter and better looking... so she may be right.

February 22, 2018, 4:31 PM EST is the date on the Bloomberg article, so I don' know.

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-22 07:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Could Manafort show up at the Russian Embassy or even just flee the country? I know the feds hold a great deal of his property and wealth but with the number of charges against him I would think he would just forget about that and get out of the country ASAP. Surely, Vlad could arrange something for him. Better yet, Trump could take him aboard Air Force 1 and drop him wherever he wants to go.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-22 07:29 PM | Reply

Rick Wilson‏ @TheRickWilson

1/ Here's why Paul Manafort doesn't flip and squeal: there's a tiny % chance Trump pardons him for the Federal crimes. (Doesn't fix state charges that can hit in NY, VA, FL)
2/ But if Manafort rolls and starts talking about the Trump campaign, Russia, Russian oligarchs and Vladimir Putin, there's close to a 100% he dies a painful death by polonium poisoning.
3/ The calculus is pretty stark. The immovable object of Manafort's fear has met the irresistible force of Mueller's investigation.
4/ As a periodic reminder: there is no difference between what RU/RIS, ROC, and oligarchs can deploy against Manafort. It's all of a piece. A radioactive, deadly piece.

Andrew C Laufer, Esq‏ @lauferlaw
Replying to @TheRickWilson
Or his family.

John Schindler @20committee
John Schindler Retweeted Rick Wilson
Let me amp this. Killing an American in the USA would be a very rare thing for Moscow. But this is a very rare case.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Buzzfeed reporter added this:

#26 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

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First, this is from Buzzfeed, so by definition he is not a reporter in any traditional sense of the word.

Second, we have yet more nonsense stacked on top of nonsense. I suspect this is the Andrew Weissmann approach of over-charging. I suspect the case will be tossed out even if Manafort is ever convicted just like the last 2 big cases Weissmann handled (Merrill Lynch Arthur Andersen). Yes, they were both overturned convictions and he was reprimanded, but he did get great headlines in the process!

#30 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-02-22 07:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Life in prison or death by dissolving. Tough choice. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
I am guessing Gates is allergic to polonium too.

#31 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-22 08:00 PM | Reply

1/ Here's why Paul Manafort doesn't flip and squeal: there's a tiny % chance Trump pardons him for the Federal crimes. (Doesn't fix state charges that can hit in NY, VA, FL)
2/ But if Manafort rolls and starts talking about the Trump campaign, Russia, Russian oligarchs and Vladimir Putin, there's close to a 100% he dies a painful death by polonium poisoning.

#29 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

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Of course, this great legal mind never saw option 3, Mueller has got nothing and Manafort will easily beat it in court. My bet is on option 3.

#32 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-02-22 08:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Rex, you really do live in another world. It's sad.

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Rex, you really do live in another world. It's sad.

#33 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

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We will see if Manafort ever spends time in jail. I doubt it. Manafort does not go down without taking the entire Podesta Group, and that ain't gonna happen regardless of if Dems or GOP are in charge. Too many politicians would be exposed if this happens.

#34 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-02-22 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Of course, this great legal mind never saw option 3, Mueller has got nothing and Manafort will easily beat it in court. My bet is on option 3.

#32 | POSTED BY REXBOT

Failed attempt to convince yourself of the utter BS you just spewed.

Your guy Manafort will likely die in prison Comrade REXbot, too bad, so sad, tell it to Vlad!

#35 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-02-22 08:13 PM | Reply

Damn, Gal. You post like an investigative reporter or a P.I. Good stuff!

#36 | Posted by cbob at 2018-02-22 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Life in prison or death by dissolving. Tough choice. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
I am guessing Gates is allergic to polonium too.

#31 | Posted by bored

"death by dissolving"

That's a bit messy. Can't we just wish them all into the corn field?

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 08:15 PM | Reply

Your guy Manafort will likely die in prison Comrade REXbot, too bad, so sad, tell it to Vlad!

#35 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

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Not my guy. He was a minor figure in the election (short timer and did not set the Trump agenda). He is a long time swamp dweller, as evidenced through his work with the Podesta (Democrat) Group, so I really don't care if he goes to jail or not. I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way. He will walk because Mueller has nothing.

#38 | Posted by Rex_Buyt at 2018-02-22 08:21 PM | Reply

That's a bit messy. Can't we just wish them all into the corn field?

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#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-22 08:22 PM | Reply

"We will see if Manafort ever spends time in jail. I doubt it. Manafort does not go down without taking the entire Podesta Group, and that ain't gonna happen regardless of if Dems or GOP are in charge. Too many politicians would be exposed if this happens."

My bet is Mueller will do his job and take down whoever has broken the law, regardless of party affiliation.

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 08:32 PM | Reply

"I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way."

That's good to know.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 08:33 PM | Reply

I remembered Marc Rich and Dick Nixon..my excuse is that those 2 examples were singularly peculiar. Clintons' collusion with rich was done in secrecy and probably can't happen again..it's universal failure to pass the smell test was undoubtedly part of the reason hillary lost. the nixon pardon was in the interests of the country, an effort to reunite and heal. my understanding of pre-emptive pardons in this case is that they would be assumed to be attempts to obstruct justice. it is definitely legal though.

#42 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-02-22 08:53 PM | Reply

Rex keep up the good werk, comrade! Daddy Putin is proud off yo!

#43 | Posted by zelkova at 2018-02-22 09:01 PM | Reply

I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way.

RAY!!!

#44 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-22 09:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#22 ABC has the same reporting:

Gates formally retains veteran DC lawyer

A former D.C. federal prosecutor himself, Green has represented a long succession of high profile political clients in well-known political scandals, such as Iran Contra and the Keating Five. Most recently he led the legal defense of House Speaker Dennis Hastert, who was sentenced in 2016 to 15 months for payoffs made to cover up sex abuse allegations.

abcnews.go.com

#45 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 09:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now this is headline worthy

#46 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-22 09:44 PM | Reply

Not my guy. He was a minor figure in the election (short timer and did not set the Trump agenda). He is a long time swamp dweller, as evidenced through his work with the Podesta (Democrat) Group, so I really don't care if he goes to jail or not. I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way. He will walk because Mueller has nothing.

#38 | POSTED BY REXbot

To quote one of your hero's... "YOU LIE!!!!!"

Mueller might be the last honest Republican. Something that cannot be ever said about you Comrade.

The "I'm not a Republican, I am a libertarian" line in 3....2.....1....

#47 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-02-22 10:28 PM | Reply

Not my guy. He was a minor figure in the election (short timer and did not set the Trump agenda). He is a long time swamp dweller, as evidenced through his work with the Podesta (Democrat) Group, so I really don't care if he goes to jail or not. I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way. He will walk because Mueller has nothing.

#38 | POSTED BY REXbot

To quote one of your hero's... "YOU LIE!!!!!"

Mueller might be the last honest Republican. Something that cannot be ever said about you Comrade.

The "I'm not a Republican, I am a libertarian" line in 3....2.....1....

#48 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-02-22 10:29 PM | Reply

Not my guy. He was a minor figure in the election (short timer and did not set the Trump agenda). He is a long time swamp dweller, as evidenced through his work with the Podesta (Democrat) Group, so I really don't care if he goes to jail or not. I just have the ability to look at this in a non-partisan way. He will walk because Mueller has nothing.

#38 | POSTED BY REXbot

To quote one of your hero's... "YOU LIE!!!!!"

Mueller might be the last honest Republican. Something that cannot be ever said about you Comrade.

#49 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-02-22 10:29 PM | Reply

Theyre going to end up like the old guy in shawshank.

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2018-02-22 11:00 PM | Reply

Not my guy. He was a minor figure in the election (short timer and did not set the Trump agenda).

Trump probably never even met him. Doesn't remember him. Just another coffee boy, am I right? No..that was Don Jr.

Maybe he was in charge of getting the diet cokes and cheeseburgers.

So many people coming and going and then getting indicted. Hard to keep track!

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 11:36 PM | Reply

New York Seeks Bank Records of Former Trump Associate Paul Manafort

Loans issued by a bank run by former campaign adviser Steve Calk are focus of subpoena

New York prosecutors have demanded records relating to up to $16 million in loans that a bank run by a former campaign adviser for President Donald Trump made to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The subpoena by the Manhattan district attorney's office to the Federal Savings Bank, a small Chicago bank run by Steve Calk, sought information on loans the bank issued in November and January to Mr. Manafort and his wife, the person said. The loans were secured by two properties in New York and a condominium in Virginia, real-estate records show.

www.wsj.com

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-23 12:00 AM | Reply

Manafort is going to prison, if for no other reason than tax evasion. Most likely he'll get to play tennis in a minimum security facility. Trump has known Manafort for a very long time. But, so far, nothing Manafort has dome has any link to Trump.

#53 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-23 08:14 AM | Reply

nothing Manafort has dome has any link to Trump.

#53 | Posted by bayviking

are you sure about that?

Wasn't Manafort at the same infamous Trump tower meeting with the Russians with Don Don to get "dirt" on Hillary?

#54 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-23 12:38 PM | Reply

all I said was "so far". There is a good chance charges will emerge against Trump, which may or may not have anything to do with Manafort. Next to zero chance Congress will act on Nueller's findings.

#55 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-23 07:28 PM | Reply

These charges are about Money Laundering By Gates and Manafort in 2013 involved with the Ukraine elections. Did Trump run for President in 2013? I notice all the lame stream media neglect to say this with there headlines just saying "Russia Collusion" case indicts one more. SMH

#56 | Posted by VanDamage at 2018-02-24 03:58 PM | Reply

In Putin's Russia, nothingburger eats President of USA.

#57 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-02-25 01:35 AM | Reply

These charges are about Money Laundering By Gates and Manafort in 2013 involved with the Ukraine elections. Did Trump run for President in 2013? I notice all the lame stream media neglect to say this with there headlines just saying "Russia Collusion" case indicts one more. SMH

Yeah, if you ignore the security clearance needed to run a campaign in 2016, these charges mean nothing. Someone compromised in 2013 couldn't possibly be compromised in 2016 and beyond...that's just stupid.

#58 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-02-25 01:37 AM | Reply

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