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Thursday, February 22, 2018

At a "listening session" with victims of gun violence on Wednesday, President Donald Trump needed a reminder to listen. We know this because Trump -- or one of his advisers -- helpfully wrote it down on a cheat sheet he carried into the meeting. Cameras captured the list of five pointers while Trump held it in his hands during the session. Point No. 5 on the list reads, simply, "I hear you." In the president's defense, it's not unusual to bring notes to a meeting. But to need a reminder to let gun violence survivors know you're listening to them, while at a "listening session" organized for that explicit purpose is ... well, very on-brand for Trump. The guest list for Wednesday's session included students and families affected by last week's shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 people. It was an emotional affair, as survivors of gun violence recalled lost siblings, frequently struggling to hold back tears.

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This time I'm really not going to pile on this President. No, I'm more surprised at how he's unable to take a nominally passible attempt to show public empathy and not have the stage presence not to show his cue card. Somehow on the day Obama met the Sandy Hook survivors and was repeatedly briefed on the next family or person he was about to meet next did his staff have to give him empathy cues.

I commend the President for letting these brave, grieving souls speak their piece directly to his face and have their voices and concerns heard directly by all those who watched and listened to them.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-21 10:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Kudos to our President for doing the absolute minimum!

#2 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-21 10:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


Without the list, Pres Trump most likely would have made the meeting about himself.

So his handlers needed to give him a note to remind him that the meeting was about the Survivors and not him.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-02-21 10:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

at least it wasn't written on his wrist, like Palin.

#4 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-02-21 10:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

@#1

As much as I want to think of Pres Trump in the manner you describe. I cannot shake the image of him standing in the hospital where the victims of the Florida school shooting were being treated, and having a big smile on his face and giving the "thumbs up" signal.

Children died. And he is happy and giving the thumbs up signal.

I think that is the image that Pres Trump's handlers did not want repeated.

 

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-02-21 10:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

What the actual ----.

He has to have "I hear you" written on a note. It looks like a woman's writing too.

What an abject failure.

#6 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-22 07:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am positive that Donny Dotard had to be dragged kicking and screaming into this meeting. It was evident that he did not want to be there and he just didn't care.

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-22 07:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I commend the President for letting these brave, grieving souls speak their piece directly to his face and have their voices and concerns heard directly by all those who watched and listened to them.
#1 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Too bad he had to be shamed into it.

#8 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-02-22 07:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

In this case I don't think the how or why matters, it was more about the fact that it happened and now is a part of the ongoing narrative.

Am I the only one who sees where this thing is likely going if teachers and students (along with many of their taxpaying parents and agreeing citizens) coalesce their power to force needed change? They have the collective power to shut down schools all over America until the political will to take proactive, positive steps to make schools safe from mass shootings is found by our elected politicians.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-22 08:05 AM | Reply

TONY

Commend him when he actually does something. It's easy to sit and look concerned. But was he really listening? And if he was, will it last longer than it takes him to get out of the room.

I felt sorry for those poor people. Yes, for their pain but also because I think they were wasting their time on a president who has demonstrated over and over again that he just doesn't care. Trump has been a lifelong narcissist who thinks only of himself. Trump is a lifelong sociopath who has no conscience, no feelings of empathy and no compassion for anything or anybody outside of himself.

Congress themselves will be unmoved. Not because they don't understand but because they take a lot of money from the gun lobby (NRA) and voting against the gun lobby is political suicide. There's not a profile of courage in the bunch.

You can pat the president on the head if you like but I'm going to go with my gut instincts and say that Trump will the talk (as long as somebody else tells him what he should say) but he is NEVER going to change his spots.

Any results that come out of this will be the very least at best, and only then after the NRA writes the legislation to duck and dodge any real effect.

#10 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 08:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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Commend him when he actually does something.

He did do something. He let very powerful and moving testimony from many victims enter the hearts and minds of those who watched, some who otherwise would not have listened if not for him letting this happen in the environment it did.

That is the only thing I commended him for and in reality it had nothing to do with anything he personally did or said but for sitting with these people and amplifying their voices through the platform and gravitas the White House confers.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-02-22 08:53 AM | Reply

---- Trump.

#12 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-02-22 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"it had nothing to do with anything he personally did or said but for sitting with these people and amplifying their voices through the platform and gravitas the White House confers."

I don't think they were there to stage a photo-op. They wanted some reassurance but got gobbly-goop for their effort.

If you look at the other side of that cheat sheet it probably said, Hang in there. Friday is only two days away and you have a 9:00 o'clock tee time on Saturday morning. Have fun.

#13 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 09:24 AM | Reply

On the other side of the card---

Take ----.

Wipe ass.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-22 09:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

Trump voters chose a president who needs to be treated like a child and requires a reminder to act like a compassionate human being.

These traits were obvious before the election too.

That was the dumbest vote you cast in your entire life. We'll be incredibly lucky to survive the consequences of your decision.

#15 | Posted by rcade at 2018-02-22 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Republiclowns loves them some sock puppets.

FAKE PRESIDENT

#16 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-02-22 10:37 AM | Reply

Unless we do an Australia style gun seizure, the 300 million guns out there will continue to be functional for, i dunno, a couple of centuries. Then there's that pesky second amendment.

He needed notes to stay on empathy message. I didn't see the meeting, but I hope he stayed on that empathy message. The people in Parkland, and many more, are really hurting.

#17 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-22 10:45 AM | Reply

"Trump Needed 'Cheat Sheet"

Every one of us would've done the same things. Maybe different notes, but notes nonetheless.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-22 10:49 AM | Reply

"Every one of us would've done the same things. Maybe different notes, but notes nonetheless."

Do you think Obama, either of the Clintons, Romney, McCain or Sanders would have needed a cheat sheet? None of the politicians at CNN's townhall last night needed one including Rubio.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

So what,

This reminds me of idiots on the right claiming Obama's speeches had nothing to do with the person he is, it was just his teleprompter.

Trump is who he is, which is a very bad President because he never reads, is not interested in learning and is a big fat, mentally deranged, narcissist and racist pig. However, he has every right to bring notes to the table. Thank the electoral college and most likely Republican tampering for this victory. The margins of victory in three critical States required just a few thousand vote changes, less than a hundred in some districts, to flip the outcome. Karl Rove's computer tells them exactly what to change in States where Republicans control the entire process. California has recently established a non-partisan committee to oversee this process.

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-22 10:56 AM | Reply

The flipside of Trump's cheat sheet probably said,

Don't talk.
Don't argue.
Stay quiet.
Listen.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 10:56 AM | Reply

"However, he has every right to bring notes to the table."

Sure, he has every right, but it is telling that his staff didn't trust him to attend that unscripted event with out notes.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 10:59 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wasn't this the guy who said people who use teleprompters are unqualified to be president?

Yeah...Conservatives sure are stupid.

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 11:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Imagine if Obama had to have a written reminder of "Hope and Change" or "yes we can" .

#24 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 11:02 AM | Reply

Surely there are more important issues before us. This nonsense does not warrant a headline.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-22 11:15 AM | Reply

Surely there are more important issues before us. This nonsense does not warrant a headline.

#25 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

You mean further proof that our president is both incompetent and uncaring shouldn't be a story so you can pretend tomorrow he is both smart and caring?

#26 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 11:18 AM | Reply

Everything the US President does in public is news.

Unfortunately.

#27 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 11:19 AM | Reply

I would not have needed notes for that meaning, and neither would most people I know.

We'd be guided by empathy, of which Trump has none.

#28 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-22 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More curiously, why was the number 45 written on his shirt cuff? A reassurance that, even though the meeting wasn't about him, he was still the president?

#29 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-02-22 11:28 AM | Reply

He was just keeping the Talking Points that Rupert's minions wrote for him handy.

#30 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-02-22 11:46 AM | Reply

No, I mean it is most unfortunate that more than anything else Trump our TV host turned President, is a constant distraction from the important issues this nation faces. This serves the interests of the 1% beautifully. It needs to stop. Right now, High School students are doing a better job than us bloggers or our pathetic elected officials.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-02-22 11:46 AM | Reply

he can read?

#32 | Posted by bus_driver at 2018-02-22 11:46 AM | Reply

Can he not read, or did he have notes that he was reading? I'm confused.

#33 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-22 11:48 AM | Reply

No, I mean it is most unfortunate that more than anything else Trump our TV host turned President, is a constant distraction from the important issues this nation faces. This serves the interests of the 1% beautifully. It needs to stop. Right now, High School students are doing a better job than us bloggers or our pathetic elected officials.

#31 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

And that's nice. But the majority of Americans are more interested in his feelings and whether they trust him than his policy positions because policy is too abstract for them...this seems especially true for Republicans.

So like I said, this stuff matters.

#34 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 11:53 AM | Reply

. Right now, High School students are doing a better job than us bloggers or our pathetic elected officials.
#31 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Yes they are. And these children are our future. We didn't solve the problem and maybe they will. I intend on supporting them any way I can. I hope this passion and energy to stop this madness that has gripped our nation (by the ---) will spread to every high school in America. The good news is that many of them will be voting in the next elections, too.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 11:59 AM | Reply

Can he not read, or did he have notes that he was reading? I'm confused.

#33 | POSTED BY NUKE_GENTLY

Yes, to a third grade level. You aren't confused. You are just being dumb.

#36 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Slow news day? Slow news day.

#37 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-22 12:02 PM | Reply

I'll be honest -- I saw a clip and he wasn't that bad. Still an ass claiming arming teachers is the solution, but he did at least acknowledge those that disagreed with him have valid concerns. Writing "I hear you" makes him seem like a moron, but even a moron can try to appear empathetic.

#38 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-22 12:04 PM | Reply

I'm amazed that he kept his mouth shut as long as he did. It must have frosted his hair to have to sit there without arguing. Of course, when he did open his pie hole out came the sort of gibberish that only a Dotard could put forth. Glad to see enough parents in this room, to keep his gropenhanden off the teen girls, despite the itching to paw them...

#39 | Posted by catdog at 2018-02-22 12:04 PM | Reply

Slow news day? Slow news day.

#37 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Says the side that attacked Obama for years for using a teleprompter.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 12:19 PM | Reply

#37 Yes, with the Russian collusion excuse down the toilet this is all the left has. "Trump takes notes into meeting." And it is pretty sad when something this petty makes dancing banana headlines.

#41 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-22 12:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#21 Actually the other side of the cheat sheet said:
For God's sake don't say 'they knew what they signed up for'

#42 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-22 12:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Yes, with the Russian collusion excuse down the toilet this is all the left has. "

More Fishpaw wishful thinking.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-22 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If all the kids in FL who are over 18 and all the Puerto Ricans who fled the island vote Democratic in 2018, there's a good chance they can turn the state blue.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 12:53 PM | Reply

Sitting in a room full of people whose voices were cracking with emotion and pain must have been hell for Trump. He usually tries to avoid that kind of personal contact . . . like he did in Puerto Rico.

In fact, I think his parting words were nearly identical. "We fighting hard for you and we will not stop."

Yeah, sure. But don't depend on it.

#45 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 12:55 PM | Reply

Yes, with the Russian collusion excuse down the toilet this is all the left has.

#41 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

I'm sure the Russians were supporting Trump out of the goodness of their hearts...

Man, does it hurt to be that stupid?

#46 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-22 01:11 PM | Reply

And it is pretty sad when something this petty makes dancing banana headlines.

#41 | Posted by fishpaw

You got dancing bananas? Not fair!

#47 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 01:24 PM | Reply

At least the orange diaper sniper refrained from tossing paper towels to the survivors this time around.

#48 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-02-22 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And it is pretty sad when something this petty makes dancing banana headlines.

you think that headline was petty? WE got nothing on petty compared to Conservative headlines and blogs.

Check out these recent Conservotard headlines designed to please the Deplorables.

'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off'

'Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew'

'Trannies whine about hilarious Bruce Jenner billboard'

'Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy'

'Suck it up buttercups: Dangerous ------ Tour returns to colleges in September'

'Hoist it high and proud: The Confederate flag proclaims a glorious heritage'

' "Would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?" '

'Gay rights have made us dumber, it's time to get back in the closet'

'Science proves it: Fat-shaming works'

"There's no hiring bias against women in tech, they just suck at interviews"

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 01:43 PM | Reply

Slow news day? Slow news day.
#37 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Says the side that attacked Obama for years for using a teleprompter.

#40 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-02-22 12:19 PM

Actually, the attack wasn't over his use of a teleprompter. He had a knack and was an effective speaker when using a prompter.

The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-22 01:49 PM | Reply

The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah... I miss that now.

Compared to 45 he was as eloquent as a Shakespeare.

#51 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 01:51 PM | Reply

"The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff."

More like he stopped occasionally to think about what he really wanted to say.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-22 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump just came up with a new one. He said "I'm sure the NRA will want to do the right thing."

LOL ~ in whose opinion, theirs?

#53 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 02:09 PM | Reply

This combat vet (also shot during combat) thinks arming teachers is "asinine".

"And now we are expecting teachers, even with training, to perfectly handle this situation. I say perfectly because anything less could mean even more tragedy and death. This isn't a movie where bullets always miss the hero. These teachers aren't action stars. These are average people, who more likely than not, have never come close to experiencing anything like this."

www.charlottefive.com

#54 | Posted by Pirate at 2018-02-22 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Doh, my bad...posted on the wrong tab!

#55 | Posted by Pirate at 2018-02-22 02:10 PM | Reply

The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff.

#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-02-22 01:49 PM | FLAG:

Always funny when rightists pretend to have taste. Almost as funny as when they pretend to have standards.

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-02-22 02:10 PM | Reply

He said "I'm sure the NRA will want to do the right thing."

LOL ~ in whose opinion, theirs?

#53 | Posted by Twinpac

We all know that means the "right thing" for gun manufacturer's profit margins.

#57 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-22 02:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

On the other side of the card---

Take ----.

Wipe ass.

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-22 09:34 AM | Reply | Flag

Someday he will hold the card upside down.

#58 | Posted by 726 at 2018-02-22 02:30 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

BINGO, DONNERBOY

Right now Trump is going full throat on the ridiculous idea of arming the teachers or hiring military veterans (WWII?)to volunteer as guard details in a small percentage of schools (1%) which he contends will quickly put a stop to the rampage of school shootings.

What we're not supposed to know, of course, is that Trump is passing the buck (literally) to the school districts who can now be blamed for allowing an attack to happen because they didn't arm their school. Once again, no fault of his own. Typical Donald.

Anecdotally, I'm recalling one of my own high school teachers who was a little wisp of a woman. Somehow I can't picture her packing heat.

#59 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 02:48 PM | Reply

If schools stop being soft targets, mass shooters will just look for other soft targets like movie theaters, Chucky Cheese, the local park, the mall.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Says the side that attacked Obama for years for using a teleprompter."

I did no such thing. Whoever you're thinking of, it's not me.

#61 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-22 02:53 PM | Reply

GAL

"If schools stop being soft targets, mass shooters will just look for other soft targets like movie theaters, Chucky Cheese, the local park, the mall."

Thanks Gal, you're smarter than the whole Trump administration combined, including Congress.

#62 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 04:17 PM | Reply

Twin, if we think about the places mass shootings have taken place other than schools (concerts, churches), it should be obvious that even if we made schools safer with armed guards and armed teachers (a dubious claim), the students might be safer while they are in schools but not once they leave them. For example, if a shooter is obsessed with killing his classmates, school buses could become a target, which means we will have to put armed guards on them and arm the drivers. Where does it stop?

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-22 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

However, he has every right to bring notes to the table.

Having notes is OK. Needing a note to tell violence survivors "I hear you" is not.

Trump has lived a life of such incredibly empty self-satisfaction and self-promotion that he is completely consumed by narcissism. His staff has to work around the inconvenient fact that their boss doesn't give a ---- about people. The only people he ever shows any caring for are his children, and even then he talks like they exist only as an extension of himself.

This guy is a complete POS. We all know it. Even before he ran for president I thought he might be the most disgusting famous person in America who hadn't been arrested or convicted of a major crime. AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WANTED HIM TO BE THEIR PRESIDENT.

Sadly, if America survives to the end of Trump's presidency, we'll still be a people capable of electing someone like Trump.

#64 | Posted by rcade at 2018-02-22 05:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff.
#50 | Posted by JeffJ
---
Yeah... I miss that now.
Compared to 45 he was as eloquent as a Shakespeare.

#51 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Agreed.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-22 06:12 PM | Reply

GAL

" Where does it stop?"

That doesn't seem to be a priority for Trump or the NRA. They'll just throw some bland pablum (arm the teachers) at the problem and run out the clock. They know another scandal will be along shortly to shove this one off the front page.

When you put everything else aside, it's about the money. It's always about the money. Trump, congress, NRA, gun manufacturers, etc., it doesn't matter. None of them care one wit about anything but money. Anything that gets in their way is just so much collateral damage in their pursuit of money.


#66 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-22 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Remember the Boston Tea Party ? remember what happened to the tea that belonged to those that put their profit before our perceived best interests ? I'm thinking that anyplace that sells guns or ammo should be viewed with that sort of attitude. in this world you are given nothing..if you're not willing or not able to take then you'll rely on the leavings or do without.

#67 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-02-23 12:05 AM | Reply

Actually, the attack wasn't over his use of a teleprompter. He had a knack and was an effective speaker when using a prompter.
The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff.
#50 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Umm, no JEFFJ. Unless you speak for the entirety of B. Hussein critics, there were MANY out there criticizing him for using a teleprompter.

#68 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-02-23 12:34 AM | Reply

What Do Jotted Talking Points Say About Trump's Empathy?

Mr. Trump's use of notes, captured by news photographers who covered the extraordinary listening session with parents, students and teachers who lost loved ones in the school shooting in Parkland, Fla., was not unusual.

But the nature of Mr. Trump's written prompts was atypical. Composed beneath a heading that read "The White House," they seemed to suggest that the president needed to be reminded to show compassion and understanding to traumatized survivors, an impression that Mr. Trump has sometimes fed with public reactions to national tragedies that were criticized as callous.

President Barack Obama's staff would often prepare him with names and biographical details of people he would be encountering, news updates on the latest developments on an issue, and facts and figures he might want to cite in discussing it, according to Jen Psaki, his former communications director.

"But there was no scenario where we were suggesting to him, or needing to remind him, how to react to something emotionally, and if we had, he would have looked at us like we were crazy people," she said.

www.nytimes.com

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-23 12:49 AM | Reply

"Actually, the attack wasn't over his use of a teleprompter."

Who told you that, the Cadillac Tax people?

#70 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-23 01:21 AM | Reply

This is a BS story. All presidents get a cheat sheet before the meet individuals or groups. They have sense Truman at least. Presidents meet a lot of people, their handlers do their best to prep them. It doesn't mean they don't care or are stupid, but they meet between 20 to 60 people a day. Try to keep that straight yourself. BTW, name your state Representative, if you can, you are among a group of 10% of the population.

#71 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-02-23 10:11 AM | Reply

"The criticism was how he spoke off the cuff - a lot of stammering, meandering, off-topic fluff."
More like he stopped occasionally to think about what he really wanted to say.

#52 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-02-22 02:08 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

Yes, like when he told us in October that there was "no way Russia could interfere in our election. It was impossible, end of story." Where are you liberals who believe that Hillary lost because of this to call him a liar?

#72 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-02-23 10:18 AM | Reply

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