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Thursday, February 15, 2018

After another school shooting in the country, Massachusetts Rep. Seth Moulton did not mince words with President Donald Trump. In a post on Twitter, Trump offered his prayers and condolences to the families of the victims. "No child, teacher, or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school," Trump said. Moulton responded to Trump with a retweet where he agreed with what Trump said and offered an invitation to the president. "I invite him to get off his ass and join me in trying to do something about it."


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The shooting at the Broward County school is the 18th school shooting of the year.


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I'm still waiting for President Trump to stop the "American carnage" he railed about in his inaugural address on 01/20/2017.

Trump needs to get off his ass.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-15 06:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This kid had been kicked out of school for threatening his classmates. He posted pictures of his guns and dead animals.

Where were the authorities in this? The signs were clear that this kid was *not* someone who should be allowed to purchase guns.

Where his postings being tracked by the police? Many knew he was a problem. When the school kicked him out did they alert the police?

Did the school administration properly secure the school?

Not sure what you want Trump to do.

There were plenty of people who knew this kid was a problem.

Did they "get off their ass" and do something?

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-15 07:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not sure what you want Trump to do.

There were plenty of people who knew this kid was a problem.


The kid is the symptom -- you're not thinking big enough.

If America is ever going to solve this problem, the following has to happen ALL AT THE SAME TIME [sorry for the caps] ...

1. Reduce the number of guns. Less guns equals less gun violence and makes it easier for law enforcement to do their jobs at all levels of government.

2. Stronger gun laws. This is a no brainer.

3. Americans take 80% of the world's opioids, which paints the appropriate picture when it comes to America's mental health problem. We need to focus (and fund) way more on mental health (and opioids) initiatives in order to get help to people who need the help.

4. Change American culture -- guns should never be glorified, they should be shunned. To paraphrase David Stockman (a Republican who served in the Reagan Amdinistration) "guns are a barbarous relic that have no place in civilization".

None of these things are easy, but that's why we elect these people.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-15 07:26 AM | Reply

PINCH, I would take a different approach.

Focusing on guns is focusing on the method and not the cause.

Growing up, every home I was in had guns. They were not locked up in a safe, they were usually hung on a wall somewhere. In my case they were above the door in the pantry.

There were most likely more homes with guns than there are now. Yet we did not have people shooting up schools, malls or concerts.

Focusing on the cause means looking at the breakdown of the family. Many of these people feel alienated they do not belong to anything or anyone so they strike out. Being part of a family that cares for you and expects you to behave a certain way because you are part of the family is very helpful. I can think of several times in my life where I had the opportunity to do something but did not because it would reflect badly on my family. Both as a child and as an adult.

This will not however address all situations, people like this young man need to be highlighted and addressed. To think that the federal government can be aware of all these people is a bit naive. The kids and teachers in the school knew this young man was a problem. The signs were there. There needs to be some way that people can alert authorities.

I will agree that there does need to be some sort of law that keeps people who exhibit this kind of behavior need to be banned from purchasing guns. Not sure how that works. Do we go on someone's word, do they need to exhibit some specific behaviors?

#4 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-15 09:02 AM | Reply

^ serious question. How do you do #1?

#5 | Posted by homerj at 2018-02-15 09:04 AM | Reply

"There were most likely more homes with guns than there are now."

I don't think this is true. Link?

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-15 09:32 AM | Reply

GAL, that is all you got?

You would rather nit-pick whether I got that right than address the problem?

Do you really believe that the problem is more guns vs there being more people who feel alienated with nowhere to turn but violence?

#7 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-15 09:46 AM | Reply

These school shootings, much like domestic and work place shootings, all seem to be unstable males seeking revenge for perceived disrespect.
I think these shootings are more common in the USA because guns are viewed as a righteous tool of vengance.
This widespread sick desire to kill with guns seems unique to the USA.
Guns should be presented as tools of the weak and fearful. Real men don't need them. Real men solve their problems by bettering themselves. Require that all guns be painted pink as a sign that the holder is weak and in need of protection. Hand guns are for girls or the police.
Males that feel weakened by social or financial loss should not view guns as a solution to their troubles, instead as an admission of weakness.
Man up, should mean going to the gym, getting a better job etc.
Guns should be destroyed as a status symbol of men.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-15 01:47 PM | Reply

I don't have a problem with hunting or target shooting or needing them for protection.
The problem seems to be when weak men see guns as the solution. Fix that.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-15 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The kids and teachers in the school knew this young man was a problem. The signs were there. There needs to be some way that people can alert authorities."

I think the way this will play out, is the authorities did all they could legally do.

Just like at Virginia Tech.

The authorities were alerted! But the authorities don't have the authority to stop this.

Who tied the authority's hands? The GOP and the NRA, is my bet.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-15 02:06 PM | Reply

President lard will only pretend to offer thoughts and prayers.

#11 | Posted by Tor at 2018-02-15 04:58 PM | Reply

Not sure what you want Trump to do.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018

Um, re-issue a recent Obama Executive Order he axed. You know the one? Had to do with the mentally ill buying guns.

This would be an excellent start. Wadda ya think?

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-15 06:55 PM | Reply

You mean the Social Security gun ban?

#13 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-15 08:29 PM | Reply

The last time Trump got offa his ass, it was to sign a bill to weaken gun laws.

Now he refuses to release the photo of that signing....

"A little over a month after his inauguration, on Feb. 28, 2017, President Trump signed HJ Resolution 40, a bill that made it easier for people with mental illness to obtain guns. CBS News then asked the White House to release the photograph of Mr. Trump signing the bill, making the request a total of 12 times.

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders finally responded to repeated emails and phone calls with a one-line note on April 19, 2017, writing to CBS News, "We don't plan to release the picture at this time."


#14 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-15 08:35 PM | Reply

^ serious question. How do you do #1?


A federally funded national 24/7/365 sponsored firearms buy back program with no immediate sunset provisions, preferably legislated law by Congress -- with the disposal generated revenues reinvested locally.

Same with ammunition.

Include making gun and ammo returns tax deductible.

Who would run and administer these National buy back programs at the local level?

Equal combination of local law enforcement, local school boards, and local healthcare board of directors. This ensures disposal revenue generated is reinvested equally between education (school safety) and healthcare services (mental health and substance abuse).

State level authorities would be responsible for oversight on the local level, and answerable to the feds.

And the above is just buying back guns and ammo ...

Other ways to shrink the number of guns in the country would include regulating the annual number of manufactured firearms (and ammo) ... tie-in firearm returns to college tuition ... tie-in returns to healthcare coverage and less expensive healthcare insurance premiums ...

If there's a national will, led by our Congress and President, there's a way.

#15 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-15 08:49 PM | Reply

... firearms buy back program ...

At what price?

#16 | Posted by et_al at 2018-02-15 08:58 PM | Reply

"At what price?"

Trump's an expert negotiator, dare I say a genius, so it won't be bad news for the taxpayer!

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-15 08:59 PM | Reply


Less than the societal costs of so many mass gun murders?

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-15 09:15 PM | Reply

#18 | Posted by Corky
How about an illegal alien buy back program to pay for the wall?

#19 | Posted by Federalist at 2018-02-15 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh wait. No one wants them.

#20 | Posted by Federalist at 2018-02-15 09:29 PM | Reply

American employers do. There's a labor shortage.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-15 10:51 PM | Reply

At what price?


Not sure, but if I can quickly organize a blueprint to doing something constructive, then anyone can.

I would add to post #15 that getting local religious leaders involved in a meaningful way is a must.

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-16 07:11 AM | Reply

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