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"Anthropology 212: Cultural Freedoms: Hate Speech, Blasphemy, and Pornography," a course on freedom of expression at Princeton University has been "reluctantly" cancelled, Professor Lawrence Rosen informed his students in an email obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

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As I have always said, if you dont agree with liberals, they will come to violence..

One student in the class tells TWS that he believes the course's cancelling may have had something to do with an interaction that happened "about halfway through the first seminar." A male student of color stood up, inches from professor Rosen's face and shouted "---- YOU," this witness claimed. Just before that, a female student of color had shouted at Rosen, as the first was approaching, "do you feel safe right now." "There was no physical contact," this witness claims, though at the time the student feared there might be. During that class, "nobody except Rosen defended Rosen," the student told me. Another student in the class confirmed this account to TWS.

It is my opinion, that confrontations like this cheapen the black cause and reinforce stereotypes that hurt the black race as a whole.

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 08:12 AM | Reply

This is unfortunate.

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 10:25 AM | Reply

From the linked article:

Last week Prof. Rosen received national attention for using the N-word in this class on freedom of expression. Some students walked out and protested the term's use. One report, cited in Princeton's main campus newspaper, says that Rosen asked, "What is worse, a white man punching a black man, or a white man calling a black man a n****r?" And when Rosen was met with disagreement of his use of the N-word, and on his continued use of the term in the academic setting, he said, he would use it, "if I think it's necessary."
Curious as to why pfc. boazotoes© conveniently left that part of the story out.

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 10:34 AM | Reply

#3

I don't see the problem there.

I thought one of the core missions of the university was to expose students to all sorts of ideas and thoughts and even coarse and offensive language.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I thought one of the core missions of the university was to expose students to ... coarse and offensive language." - #4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:09 AM

Care to point to a university - any university - whose core mission lists exposing students to "coarse and offensive language"?

Thank you.

#5 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 11:14 AM | Reply

So, what is the solution? PC everything down to a point where nothing is offensive?

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:33 AM | Reply

The class is ironically about free speech and censorship and the example he used has been used several times in the past when he taught this course.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:34 AM | Reply

It's amazing that it used to be the right that wanted to censor books like Huckleberry Finn. Now it's the left that wants to do this.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:38 AM | Reply

"So, what is the solution? PC everything down to a point where nothing is offensive?" - #6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:33 AM

There's a difference between "expos(ing) students to all sorts of ideas and thoughts" and what I outlined in my #3. The professor could have just as easily said "What is worse, a white man punching a black man, or a white man calling a black man the N word?" and the exact same meaning would have been imparted, just without the offensive and loaded word itself.

It is absurd and irresponsible to say that repeating the N word in class is anything but offensive, and it has no place in academia.

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 11:39 AM | Reply

"Now it's the left that wants to do this." - #8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:38 AM

No, the "left" wants to do no such thing.

If you didn't have hyperbole you'd have no bole at all.

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 11:41 AM | Reply

I thought one of the core missions of the university was to expose students to all sorts of ideas and thoughts and even coarse and offensive language. #4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 11:09 AM
First one I looked at University of Cambridge:
The University's core values are as follows:
◾ freedom of thought and expression
◾ freedom from discrimination

#11 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-14 11:53 AM | Reply

I don't really see the point the professor is trying to help students understand about freedom of speech, by repeating a phrase that is offensive.

There might be more to the story, as both perspectives take contextomy to new hieghts, but given the two. I agree with Hans.

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-02-14 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Good. We should not have to hear that word in a academic setting. No need.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-02-14 11:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Great post Boaz www.huffingtonpost.com

The students failed here. Maybe they will come back stronger. I doubt it. Weak. Stupid.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is a chance for the students to use discourse on a difficult topic.

n a letter posted to the school newspaper, the chair of Princeton's anthropology department, Carolyn Rouse, defended Rosen's decision to use the racial slur. The purpose of the course, Rouse said, was to give students the ability to clearly state why hate speech should or should not be protected, using an argument other than "because it made me feel bad."

She pointed out that Rosen had also mentioned anti-American or anti-Semitic examples in the class. Rosen has reportedly been using the word "n****r" as an example "year after year." This is the first year he's gotten such a critical response from the class, she said.

Rouse said she believes the students' reactions were probably reflective of heightened racial tensions in America.

"This is diagnostic of the level of overt anti-black racism in the country today," she wrote. "Anti-American and anti-Semitic examples did not upset the students, but an example of racism did. This did not happen when Obama was president, when the example seemed less real and seemed to have less power."

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:01 PM | Reply

No, the "left" wants to do no such thing.
If you didn't have hyperbole you'd have no bole at all.

#10 | POSTED BY HANS

The school district of Duluth Minnesota isn't left-leaning?

The professor could have just as easily said "What is worse, a white man punching a black man, or a white man calling a black man the N word?" and the exact same meaning would have been imparted, just without the offensive and loaded word itself.

So, should we scrub n****r from "Huckleberry Finn" and replace it with n-word?

Should the same be done with Blazing Saddles? What about uppity? "That u-word n-word hit me over the head with a shovel!"

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:02 PM | Reply

Boaz. You really do a disservice to issues by framing them in your simple way of thinking. Grow up.

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#16 That is not the point. This is not history. This is now. Comparison of a lecture given today to historical literature is absurd.

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Should the same be done with Blazing Saddles?" - #16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:02 PM

Which university course is "Blazing Saddles"?

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 12:04 PM | Reply

The students could have said: Why are the choices in your example, for the man to punch or use a racial slur?

Then they could have discussed if physical harm is the same as emotional harm. How attacking a person physically or emotionally impacts others. Maybe it depends on who witnesses the crime. It also matters the context.

Being insulted and having to continue a discussion is something Princeton students would be better off learning.

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:05 PM | Reply

#18

Where does it stop?

What other words are we going to censor?

Comparison of a lecture given today to historical literature is absurd.

#18 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

I disagree completely. How can we discuss the loaded offensiveness of a word without even using said word?

#21 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:05 PM | Reply

Which university course is "Blazing Saddles"?

#19 | POSTED BY HANS

OK. Please address my comment about Huck Finn. Should the word n****r be scrubbed and replaced with n-word? If no, why not?

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:06 PM | Reply

#21 Hey Jeff? How about we discuss this with your mother down on her knees, under my desk? I can find something to fill her mouth.

Now Huckleberry Finn was about a time and place. The context of this discussion was not so clear.

Are you feeling uncomfortable?

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:08 PM | Reply

"The school district of Duluth Minnesota isn't left-leaning?" - #16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:02 PM

Conservative school board revolution: Column

[snip] In conservative states and districts, Republicans have been stacking school boards with radical right wingers, with an eye towards rewriting textbook and educational standards so they are more amendable to the conservative cause.

While conservative attacks on science in classrooms get a lot of attention, the latest trend is, if anything, even more worrisome: Conservative school board officials are quietly trying to rewrite history and social studies curriculum, erasing parts of history they don't like and simply making up history they wish was true.

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 12:08 PM | Reply

#22 That's another discussion. Try to stick to the thread.

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:09 PM | Reply

Are you feeling uncomfortable?

#23 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Not at all.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:10 PM | Reply

www.nydailynews.com

A small group of students walked out of Rosen's anthropology class on Feb. 6 after he used the slur three times, according to DailyPrincetonian.com, the university's student newspaper which first reported Rosen's comments. Rosen asked the class "Which is more provocative: A white man walks up to a black man and punches him in the nose, or a white man walks up to a black man and calls him (the racial slur)?"

Rosen refused a demand from several students to apologize and argued with at least one student. Two students later filed a complaint with school officials.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 12:10 PM | Reply

#22 That's another discussion. Try to stick to the thread.

#25 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

No it isn't. It's directly related.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:10 PM | Reply

Blame the students NOT the teacher.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So, should we scrub n****r from "Huckleberry Finn" and replace it with n-word?" - #16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:02 PM

"Comparison of a lecture given today to historical literature is absurd." - #18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:03 PM
Indeed.

And while we're on that subject, I vehemently object to Princeton students' recent attempts to scrub Woodrow Wilson from their school. They're judging a historical figure based on contemporary values.

Using that standard most American leaders of the past would be found wanting.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Blame the students NOT the teacher.

#29 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Agreed.

#31 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:13 PM | Reply

And while we're on that subject, I vehemently object to Princeton students' recent attempts to scrub Woodrow Wilson from their school. They're judging a historical figure based on contemporary values.
Using that standard most American leaders of the past would be found wanting.

#30 | POSTED BY HANS

Yes. This. NW.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:13 PM | Reply

Good. We should not have to hear that word in a academic setting. No need.

#13 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-02-14 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag

It was a lesson on free speech and censorship. It HAD to be said.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 12:17 PM | Reply

Not at all.

#26 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-02-14 12:10 PM | FLAG:

you understand my point though? many people would.

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:23 PM | Reply

I was telling a friend today that everything we do and say now - the future generations will say we are horrible and antiquated.

That's just the way it is.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:24 PM | Reply

I think the prof was asking them to convince him to not say the word.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:24 PM | Reply

The lesson was that free speech is often times offensive to the listener. But to have free speech you must support that right to be offensive or else you have censorship. The antithesis to free speech.

#37 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Ironic that Boaz is the easiest person to offend on this site.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:34 PM | Reply

#37 Give me a break. This is not kindergarten. It's Princeton.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:34 PM | Reply

#37 that discussion is a silly one we have here on the DR endlessly. He's trying to make people who can rule the world.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 12:35 PM | Reply

I took an entire college semester course in Eng lit on Huckleberry Finn in the mid-70's. Studying Clemens' work without the N word would have been ludicrous.

Earlier in college, one of the first attempts at the kind of course this Prof was teaching was a woman Prof in front of an auditorium full of students who started out by filling the blackboard with the F word to get our attention. That was a little new at the time.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The lesson was that free speech is often times offensive to the listener. But to have free speech you must support that right to be offensive or else you have censorship. The antithesis to free speech.

#37 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

Very well stated. NW.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:45 PM | Reply

#41 El Corko

Interesting anecdote. Thank you for sharing it.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 12:46 PM | Reply

Jean Claude Van Johnson...
N-word Jim.

Anyone?

Regardless, I'm tired of these babies that are too fragile to handle every day life and need to be sheltered.
Black women are so loud and obnoxious. Anywhere they are, you're well aware of it because they let you know.

#44 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Sometimes you gwyne to git hurt, en sometimes you gwyne to git sick; but every time you's gwyne to git well agin."

― Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

"All kings is mostly rapscallions, as fur as I can make out."

― Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

more

www.goodreads.com

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 12:50 PM | Reply

I was telling a friend today that everything we do and say now - the future generations will say we are horrible and antiquated.
That's just the way it is.
#35 | Posted by BruceBanner

not necessarily when you treat everyone with respect, you tend to be able to survive in future times.

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 01:00 PM | Reply

Corky, thanks for reminding me why I hated reading Mark Twain, his writing gives me a headache

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 01:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ironic that Boaz is the easiest person to offend on this site.

Ironic I'm the only one everyone goes after when I make a post. It used to be you could get a vacation if you took someone's handle out of character. Now people do it all the time, as long as it's me.

And it's ironic that when another user starts to debate Hans, he actually does debate, when he could have done the same with me.

As for the article, the students were wrong. There was no reason to "get in the face" of the instructor. I'm surprised the student wasnt kicked out of the university for that. That's forced aggression and something our race should not be doing. I think getting in the face of an instructor as a college you are attending is a form of assault and the student should be charged.

#48 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:02 PM | Reply

#47 | ;P

That's actually the main reason we were studying it; the use of language.

#49 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 01:03 PM | Reply

#48 But your debate was different than the one people eventually chose. I think that's fair. The thread takes a life or death that the OP can't predict. Here it is now a discussion of Huck Finn. What are we to do?

I agree that taking the physical space of the instructor should be grounds for expulsion.

#50 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 01:07 PM | Reply

Free speech will soon be history. We'll also be reported for things said in private.

It's coming. Places like this in the future will be sterile echo chambers of agreement and conformation.

People like Hans will be scribes and recorders of the offences.

#51 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-02-14 01:07 PM | Reply

not necessarily when you treat everyone with respect, you tend to be able to survive in future times.

#46 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2018-02-14 01:00 PM | FLAG:

But then why live?

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 01:08 PM | Reply

But your debate was different than the one people eventually chose. I think that's fair.

Whenever I post a thread, I attack no one personally. I get attacked every time.

You think that's ok and fair?

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:09 PM | Reply

Ironic that Boaz is the easiest person to offend on this site.
Ironic I'm the only one everyone goes after when I make a post. It used to be you could get a vacation if you took someone's handle out of character. Now people do it all the time, as long as it's me.
And it's ironic that when another user starts to debate Hans, he actually does debate, when he could have done the same with me.
As for the article, the students were wrong. There was no reason to "get in the face" of the instructor. I'm surprised the student wasnt kicked out of the university for that. That's forced aggression and something our race should not be doing. I think getting in the face of an instructor as a college you are attending is a form of assault and the student should be charged.
#48 | Posted by boaz

Would you like some fomunda chees with that post?

#54 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 01:11 PM | Reply

Boaz,

You don't call out names but you relentlessly broad-brush liberals and progressives with negative caricatures.

It comes across as personal, even if that is not your intent.

People reply in kind.

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We'll also be reported for things said in private.

We already do. Ask Billy Bush.

#56 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:12 PM | Reply

Boaz,

You don't call out names but you relentlessly broad-brush liberals and progressives with negative caricatures.

It comes across as personal, even if that is not your intent.

People reply in kind.

Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:11 PM | Reply

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#57 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think getting in the face of an instructor as a college you are attending is a form of assault and the student should be charged.
#48 | Posted by boaz

Wait, back the truck up.

So "getting in the face of the instructor" is now assault, but calling someone a n***** isn't.

You truly are a snowflake bozo

#58 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It comes across as personal, even if that is not your intent.

I cant help that. No one on this site should be taking this banter as personal unless addressed as such. I cant help it I'm in a liberal's head. Must mean somthing about the argument I'm putting forth.

#59 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:13 PM | Reply

So "getting in the face of the instructor" is now assault, but calling someone a n***** isn't.

The instructor didnt call anyone a ni***r. He was teaching a class. The student was using force to get his way. And most liberals havent batted an eye.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:15 PM | Reply

55
You just described 85% of the posts here by both sides.
Rcade let's Hans get away with as much BS as corky.

Goat man got banned for less.

#61 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lettuce, not let's...

#62 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 01:17 PM | Reply

--Free speech will soon be history. We'll also be reported for things said in private.

The SJW Ministry of Truth is becoming a reality on some college campuses. The leftist strategy, formulated in the late 60s, of a "long march through the institutions" is finally bearing fruit. The academy, journalism, entertainment and culture, sports, etc., are falling like dominoes.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 01:18 PM | Reply

Squirts,
A short while back, a cop pulled a guy over for giving him the finger, claiming the finger would cause a reasonable person to react with violence.
Do you agree?

#64 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 01:19 PM | Reply

"Goat man got banned for less." - #61 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 01:16 PM

Many years ago I was studying for my real estate license and one of the lessons was about losing one's license.

The rules stated that if someone commits a crime, such as murder, theft, embezzlement, etc., they may lose their license.

But, the rules were also clear that if someone violates one of the rules of the real estate commission they shall lose their license.

Goatman violated the rules of this site, as repeatedly reminded by our host.

And that's why he was banned.

#65 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:20 PM | Reply

#65,

Gets sort of old when the "may" only applies to liberals and the "shall" always applies to conservatives.

#66 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:23 PM | Reply

#61 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

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#63 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

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#67 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 01:23 PM | Reply

"Gets sort of old when the "may" only applies to liberals and the "shall" always applies to conservatives." - #66 | Posted by pfc. boazotoes© (h/t to ichiro) at 2018-02-14 01:23 PM

Then leave, pfc. boazotoes©

#68 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:24 PM | Reply

Goat didn't repeatedly violate the rules of this site.

He was banned arbitrarily and for a lot less than what others do with impunity.

I correspond with him via email (as does Chair). I know firsthand what he was banned for because I was in the loop.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think that's ok and fair?

#53 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-02-14 01:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I was referring to the Hans thing.

WRT the tone of the discourse, I think you're being belligerent and people respond to that. Then you say that you will keep acting as you do. So they will keep responding as they do and you will whine about it.

Someone in the equation has to grow up. I can see that you want the world to grow up instead of you.

So we wait.

#70 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 01:33 PM | Reply

The first Rule of Fight Club is....

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 01:33 PM | Reply

"Ironic that Boaz is the easiest person to offend on this site."

don't know about that but he's arguably the most attacked poster on this site.

#72 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 01:37 PM | Reply

"I know firsthand what he was banned for because I was in the loop." - #69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:31 PM

Let's see what our host had to say about that:

"Goatman has been banned permanently. I'm tired of having to deal with discussions that he turns to ---- with unprovoked personal attacks and constant accusations that other people are being hyperpartisan." - #103 | Posted by rcade at 2017-01-26 03:21 PM
Sorry JeffJ: I have to go with our host's firsthand over yours.

#73 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:37 PM | Reply

These kids are absurdly self absorbed and hilariously ironically stupid.

Walk out of a course on free speech and censorship because you're triggered by what was said.

LOL

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-14 01:37 PM | Reply

but he's arguably the most attacked poster on this site.

#72 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's what happens when you lead with your chin.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2018-02-14 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Ironic I'm the only one everyone goes after when I make a post." - #48 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 01:02 PM

There's a lesson in there.

Somewhere.

#76 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:39 PM | Reply

75

I'm not saying one way or the other that he doesn't deserve it.

"Goatman has been banned permanently. I'm tired of having to deal with discussions that he turns to ---- with unprovoked personal attacks and constant accusations that other people are being hyperpartisan." - #103 | Posted by rcade at 2017-01-26 03:21 PM

I don't see the boss directly referencing a rule he violated.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 01:40 PM | Reply

"I know firsthand what he was banned for because I was in the loop."

What did Brady say he got banned for?

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 01:42 PM | Reply

Sorry JeffJ: I have to go with our host's firsthand over yours.
#73 | POSTED BY HANS

His characterization of Goat could be applied to a number of left-leaning individuals on this site who don't even get their posts deleted, much less a 21-day vacation or an outright ban.

It's his site and he can moderate it as he wishes. Having said that, I'll call BS when I see it and will certainly call out revisionist history.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't see the boss directly referencing a rule he violated.

#77 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That's because he didn't violate any rule. He was banned because the boss was annoyed by him. It would be nice if the boss could just be honest about it.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:44 PM | Reply

"I don't see the boss directly referencing a rule he violated." - #77 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 01:40 PM

Eb, I was referencing the reminders our host kept giving about not constantly commenting on his (our host's) moderation of this site.

#81 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:44 PM | Reply

"It's his site and he can moderate it as he wishes." - #79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:42 PM

Yep.

We're all guests here.

#82 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:45 PM | Reply

If Boaz were white I'd be more inclined to care about his unfair treatment. I was just trolling above...

#83 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 01:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Isn't it ironic that boazo is complaining about being unfairly put upon on a first amendment thread
I thought he was our resident alpha male tough guy

#84 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 01:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"That's because he didn't violate any rule." - #80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 01:44 PM

Actually:

Comments and complaints about site moderation will be deleted. These rules have been established by necessity and are no longer up for discussion.
See my #81, above.

#85 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:51 PM | Reply

"There's a lesson in there."

Is that what you tell Corky?

and BTW, I don't care about the rules as I have no say in them and it's the bosses house. He can apply them any way he wants.

#86 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 01:51 PM | Reply

"...I don't care about the rules as I have no say in them and it's the bosses house. He can apply them any way he wants." - #86 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 01:51 PM

Yep.

We're all guests here.

#87 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 01:54 PM | Reply

Someone in the equation has to grow up. I can see that you want the world to grow up instead of you.

Funny how you dont ask the person of your same ideology to grow up. It's only me. Why only me? Why are you rooting for them?

unprovoked personal attacks

Gets done to me all the time, even in this thread. So I abide by the rules, sure I attack the ideology of liberalism, but I dont attack people. You liberal snowflakes just take it too personal.

But liberals attack me personally and..nothing happens.

#88 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:13 PM | Reply

Question,

Would the professor have been justified if he pushed the student out of his face?

#89 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:16 PM | Reply

Would the professor have been justified if he pushed the student out of his face?

Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:16 PM | Reply

No

#90 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-14 02:17 PM | Reply

My answer is the same as Laura's.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 02:22 PM | Reply

Which university course is "Blazing Saddles"?

#19 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-02-14 12:04 PM

UCLA Film Department famously offers MA 206C, American Motion Picture History and screens "Blazing Saddles" with guest lecturer Mel Brooks. That screening is open to the entire school but there is a lottery for tickets due to demand.

Any other questions?

#92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 02:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You dont understand personal space? The student was agressive. The teacher didnt have a right to defend himself?

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:29 PM | Reply

and if your answer is no, then there has to another side. Something must be done to the student or you say it's alright for students to intimidate a teacher.

#94 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:30 PM | Reply

Boaz, I attack you because you are stupid. Very, very stupid. Unbelievably stupid. But you seem like a nice enough guy. Just try not to be so mind bogglingly stupid. And that is why I attack you and enjoy attacking you. It has very little to do with your politics, your military background, your race, your home State of choice or anything else. Grow a ------- brain and I won't attack you ever again. Promise.

#95 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-02-14 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is a big difference between asking in a class (on Hate Speech, Blasphemy, and Pornography, no less) "What is worse, a white man punching a black man, or a white man calling a black man a n****r?" and calling someone the n-word. In the chair of the dept's letter to the school newspaper, she talks about the fact that Rosen's example of someone wiping their feet on American flag didn't get a reaction in the classroom but pointed out that in another classroom it might have gotten a strong one. Rouse also explains that Rosen has fought for many minority groups in the past and is Jewish himself. It sounds to me that the students who are likely the reason the course was shutdown are the very ones who could have benefited from it the most:

The purpose of the course, Rouse said, was to give students the ability to clearly state why hate speech should or should not be protected, using an argument other than "because it made me feel bad."

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--UCLA Film Department famously offers MA 206C, American Motion Picture History and screens "Blazing Saddles" with guest lecturer Mel Brooks.

Go Bruins!

#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It is absurd and irresponsible to say that repeating the N word in class is anything but offensive, and it has no place in academia."

Depending on how the word is used, and in this instance I believe it was used pedagogically, it has ever place in an elective college class on Hate Speech, Blasphemy, and Pornography.

#98 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 02:36 PM | Reply

"As I have always said, if you dont agree with liberals, they will come to violence."

Do blacks next!

#99 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:37 PM | Reply

Rosen himself is Jewish...
I have black friends...

There was a South Park episode where people were getting dna tested and proud that the results told them what percentage "victim" they were.
People are obsessed with being victims, member of victim groups, etc because now only their voices deserve to be heard. It's all frigging nonsense.
Who cares that Rosen was a ------- Jew? He was the ------- professor of a class that was going to push boundaries and 2 black people got loud and aggressive. Nobody is shocked about that part because loud and aggressive is predictable amongst some.

#100 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 02:39 PM | Reply

If it is a non-elective course, then the professor could have given the classroom what I suppose would now be called a trigger-warning about his upcoming use of the n-word and allowed those who wanted to leave to leave.

#101 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 02:40 PM | Reply

#96 - Very nicely said Gal.

The Department Chair also noted that the same phrase was used while Obama was in office and the response was completely different.

#102 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 02:42 PM | Reply

"Who cares that Rosen was a ------- Jew?"

Rouse pointed that out to explain that Rosen knows what anti-Semitism is like, IOW, he knows what it is like to be the object of prejudice and hate speech.

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 02:43 PM | Reply

#100 I agree that the students should have considered this exact response. They are Princeton students of color. It's their job to do better and to grow up to be leaders.

They failed spectacularly.

#104 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 02:44 PM | Reply

#99

Predictably, Goofy spams the thread with his Race Baiting Dog Whistle.

#105 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 02:44 PM | Reply

Banning words is absurd. It's all about context.

#106 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-02-14 02:44 PM | Reply

Boaz, I attack you because you are stupid.

If that were the case, I would be attacking every stupid liberal on this site. I dont have enough time for that.

Plus, I give you a pass, you are a RAMS fan.

#107 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 02:46 PM | Reply

"2 black people got loud and aggressive. Nobody is shocked about that part because loud and aggressive is predictable amongst some."

"Some" is code for black people. LOL.

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:46 PM | Reply

Gal,
Do you believe in trigger warnings for adults?

#109 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 02:47 PM | Reply

#100

Here you go Goofy, are you "in"? It would certainly make your constant Race Baiting more "authentic."

Southpark: DNA and Me Victim Clip

#110 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 02:49 PM | Reply

"Do you believe in trigger warnings for adults"

What's PTSD, and can it be triggered?

#111 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:49 PM | Reply

RoC got triggered bigtime!
That's funny.

#112 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:52 PM | Reply

Snoofy cone on, its not my job to not trigger people, which i wouldn't do on purpose anyway.

It's everyones job to learn how to live without finding offense under every rock and getting violent over it. The students should be ashamed of themselves.

#113 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-02-14 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's everyones job to learn how to live without finding offense under every rock and getting violent over it...

#113 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE AT 2018-02-14 02:53 PM

Well stated.

NW.

#114 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-02-14 02:54 PM | Reply

I'm not a fan of trigger warnings unless they're very generic. "Some material may be disturbing to some viewers" seems ok to me, but getting in to specifics would be odd. Yet it's so generic it's meaningless.

For example, say I lost my brother to a drunk driver. Every time MADD is mentioned or drunk driving psa's are on tv I may have an adverse reaction because it reminds me of the time my brother was killed...my reaction may be legit, but to what extent am I supposed to be told drunk driving may be mentioned? At what point am I supposed to get over myself and realize there are 340,000,000 other people that may not give a ---- about my reaction?

#115 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"The students should be ashamed of themselves."

Yeah, but they probably won't be anytime soon.

What's more likely to happen is the negativity directed towards them will harden their hearts and they end up like Boaz/Chairborne/RoC.

Shame is an emotion for weak ----- betas, just ask Boaz/Chairborne/RoC.

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:58 PM | Reply

#109 In one of the first college English classes I ever taught, I read out loud to the class a poem by Ethridge Knight that contained the repeated use of the F-word. It was a non-elective course, and so I gave the class what I called a heads up or a fair warning. All of the students stayed, but during the class discussion afterward one of the students, a married, family man in his 30's who was also a minister, expressed his displeasure at the use of the word. He found it highly offensive and without redeeming value in the poem. Fair enough, he was entitled to his opinion.

www.poetryfoundation.org

I've heard stories from friends about parents of college students coming in upset at some topic or other being discussed with their child in the classroom setting. That's one reason I would give students a fair warning and the option to leave.

#117 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:02 PM | Reply

Help me figure something out:

Was the professor safe or not?

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:04 PM | Reply

"For example, say I lost my brother to a drunk driver. Every time MADD is mentioned or drunk driving psa's are on tv I may have an adverse reaction because it reminds me of the time my brother was killed...my reaction may be legit, but to what extent am I supposed to be told drunk driving may be mentioned? At what point am I supposed to get over myself and realize there are 340,000,000 other people that may not give a ---- about my reaction?"

I never noticed how many commercials there on TV about cancer treatment until I got cancer. For a long time those damn things, designed to be helpful and hopeful for people like me, triggered me, so much so that I would turn the channel or at least hit the mute button. I was watching TV to distract myself from my illness, not to be reminded it of every half an hour. Sheesh!

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:09 PM | Reply

"UCLA Film Department famously offers MA 206C, American Motion Picture History..." - #92 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 02:29 PM

The university course is MA 206C, American Motion Picture History.

The university course is not MA 206C, Blazing Saddles.

I specifically asked...

"Which university course is "Blazing Saddles"?" - #19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 12:04 PM
I did not ask in which university course is Blazing Saddles screened.

You're usually not this stupid.

#120 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 03:10 PM | Reply

"Help me figure something out:
Was the professor safe or not?"

I wouldn't feel say in a situation where a student, male or female, black or white, got within inches of my face and shouted, "F--- you!"

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:13 PM | Reply

Was it a crime, what that student did?

Sticks and stones vs. words, remember that one?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:15 PM | Reply

Was the professor safe or not?

#118 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-02-14 03:04 PM | FLAG:

Wow. Really?

No. The student should be ejected. This is not acceptable.

What was your point with the question?

#123 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 03:17 PM | Reply

"Was it a crime, what that student did?"

Obviously yes.

What school did you go to where physical intimidation was okay?

#124 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe the professor over reacted. Maybe he's the snowflake.

After all it's no surprise to 101 and thus presumably anyone with common sense that "loud and aggressive is predictable amongst some (blacks)."

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:18 PM | Reply

I did not ask in which university course is Blazing Saddles screened.
You're usually not this stupid.

#120 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-02-14 03:10 PM

And you usually don't twist yourself into such a pretzel to avoid looking stupid.

I answered your question, deal with it like an adult.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 03:18 PM | Reply

"Was it a crime, what that student did?
Sticks and stones vs. words, remember that one?"

No crime. It's not the words, but the student getting within inches of my face and shouting the words that I would have found intimidating and as potentially a threat of physical violence.

#127 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:24 PM | Reply

The students could have said: Why are the choices in your example, for the man to punch or use a racial slur?
Then they could have discussed if physical harm is the same as emotional harm. How attacking a person physically or emotionally impacts others. Maybe it depends on who witnesses the crime. It also matters the context.

All good points.

Being insulted and having to continue a discussion is something Princeton students would be better off learning.

The thing is the students weren't actually insulted. The professor used the n-word in a hypothetical question in a classroom setting.

#128 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:32 PM | Reply

119
I literally meant cancer commercials but changed it to drunk driving because I knew your history.
Every time I see well intentioned childhood cancer benefits, commercials, segments at halftime etc I think of those parents and know what it must do to them.

#129 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 03:32 PM | Reply

"It's not the words,"

I take that back, it's the words in combination with in your face shouting that I would have found threatening.

#130 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 03:34 PM | Reply

Snoofy is a ------- ------. Plonk him/her and save yourself the time of skipping over the serial posting of stupidity.
That simple ---- has yet to make a point.

#131 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I take that back, it's the words in combination with in your face shouting that I would have found threatening.

Threatening, which is exactly what the student did, is illegal. Unless of course you are black and someone said "----...

So the aggressive black is encouraged...

By liberals.

#132 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 03:39 PM | Reply

Was it a crime, what that student did?

No crime. It's not the words, but the student getting within inches of my face and shouting the words that I would have found intimidating and as potentially a threat of physical violence.

In California it is a crime, since you don't need to actually strike someone to commit an assault, all you need is the threat (which is the attempt) and present ability to commit a violent injury:

California Penal Code

CHAPTER 9. Assault and Battery [240 - 248] (Chapter 9 enacted 1872)

§240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
(Enacted 1872.)

§241.6 When an assault is committed against a school employee engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or in retaliation for an act performed in the course of his or her duties, whether on or off campus, during the schoolday or at any other time, and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know the victim is a school employee, the assault is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
(Amended by Stats. 1993, Ch. 1257, Sec. 5. Effective January 1, 1994.)

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't forget, his black female classmate yelled out and asked the Prof if he felt safe as the black male was approaching.
That sounds like premeditation to me.

#134 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"§240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
(Enacted 1872.)"

Where was the attempt to commit a violent injury???

#135 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:50 PM | Reply

It's everyones job to learn how to live without finding offense under every rock and getting violent over it.
#113 | Posted by Alexandrite

You don't understand PTSD
www.military.com

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:52 PM | Reply

"Unless of course you are black and someone said "----..."

Fighting words are a thing.

#137 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-02-14 03:53 PM | Reply

At what point am I supposed to get over myself and realize there are 340,000,000 other people that may not give a ---- about my reaction?
#115 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Make that 340,000,001 people...

#138 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:53 PM | Reply

"What school did you go to where physical intimidation was okay?"

All of them.

I grew up in the age of corporal punishment in school.

Nowadays I live in a country where the police are allowed to use physical force and pain to compel behavior.

(I'm guessing 101 and friends would tell you the problem with me is I didn't get paddled enough as a kid.)

#139 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:54 PM | Reply

Was it a crime, what that student did?
Sticks and stones vs. words, remember that one?
#122 | Posted by snoofy

Snowflake Boaz thinks it's assault

#140 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Threatening, which is exactly what the student did, is illegal."

Where was the threat?

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 03:55 PM | Reply

When an emeritus professor at princeton with 40 years of experience takes the time out of his day to come and demonstrate how to have discourse of difficult topics, you stfu and try to learn something.

This disrespect of authority is what the left always complains the right does.

Well here we are. Everyone on twitter is an expert and all history is spat on.

This is not how humanity works. We're just chimpanzees now.

#142 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I answered your question..." - #126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 03:18 PM

No you didn't.

You usually don't twist yourself into such a pretzel to avoid looking stupid, like conflating a movie screened in a course with the course itself.

Deal with it like an adult.

#143 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 03:57 PM | Reply

In California it is a crime, since you don't need to actually strike someone to commit an assault, all you need is the threat (which is the attempt) and present ability to commit a violent injury:
California Penal Code
CHAPTER 9. Assault and Battery [240 - 248] (Chapter 9 enacted 1872)
§240. An assault is an unlawful attempt, coupled with a present ability, to commit a violent injury on the person of another.
(Enacted 1872.)
§241.6 When an assault is committed against a school employee engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or in retaliation for an act performed in the course of his or her duties, whether on or off campus, during the schoolday or at any other time, and the person committing the offense knows or reasonably should know the victim is a school employee, the assault is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both the fine and imprisonment.
(Amended by Stats. 1993, Ch. 1257, Sec. 5. Effective January 1, 1994.)

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter a

Princeton is in New Jersey

#144 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In New Jersey getting inches from a person's face and screaming ---- you is equivalent to a bro hug.

#145 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:58 PM | Reply

"Princeton is in New Jersey" - #144 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-02-14 03:58 PM

Good catch, TH. :-)

#146 | Posted by Hans at 2018-02-14 03:59 PM | Reply

Oh my, that's funny.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 04:02 PM | Reply

"When an emeritus professor at princeton with 40 years of experience"

You know it's possible he was just talking above the level of his audience.

Professor should have started with porn and eased into the race stuff.

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 04:07 PM | Reply

"Boaz, I attack you because you are stupid. Very, very stupid. Unbelievably stupid. But you seem like a nice enough guy. Just try not to be so mind bogglingly stupid. And that is why I attack you and enjoy attacking you. It has very little to do with your politics, your military background, your race, your home State of choice or anything else. Grow a ------- brain and I won't attack you ever again. Promise."

I've struggled with folks I can describe in the same manner. Conspiracy theorists, broken records, etc....

I suggest you plonk him.

#149 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Princeton is in New Jersey

#144 | Posted by truthhurts

In New Jersey, if someone disrespects you, it is a crime NOT to get up their face.

#150 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-14 04:13 PM | Reply

>> should have started with porn and eased into the race stuff.

Memorial Day Sunday...

#151 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-02-14 04:13 PM | Reply

Princeton is in New Jersey

#144 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2018-02-14 03:58 PM

I am not licensed to practice in NJ, and Snoofy, who asked the question, is here in California, which is why I qualified my answer.

Try to keep up.

#152 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 04:18 PM | Reply

#152

Nice attempt to cover your clumsiness. We are all totally convinced.

#153 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-02-14 04:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

In California it is a crime"

Should have been pretty clear, I know that Snoofy has been missing his Reading Comprehension Tutoring sessions, maybe Troofy and Boydstruan need to be added to the list.

#154 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 04:26 PM | Reply

And when Rosen was met with disagreement of his use of the N-word, and on his continued use of the term in the academic setting, he said, he would use it, "if I think it's necessary."

As I said, if Rosen used the n-word once to ask his hypothetical question, I think that was okay in that particular course. If he continued to repeat the word during the class after his initial question, I would question that. Once makes the point, beyond that I'm not sure what the purpose and learning potential would be. I would feel that way about the c-word as well. I can envision a similar type of question framed around sexual harassment in the workplace (male/female, co-worker, boss). The point isn't that there is a right or wrong answer to these types of questions. The point is to spur discussion, get people to think, express themselves and listen to other people's POV.

#155 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 04:28 PM | Reply

"In California it is a crime"

To stand up to someone who is saying "------" and say "---- you?"

Seriously?

#156 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 04:32 PM | Reply

"Well here we are. Everyone on twitter is an expert and all history is spat on."

www.nytimes.com

#157 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 04:33 PM | Reply

"To stand up to"

define "stand up to"

#158 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 04:37 PM | Reply

To stand up to someone who is saying "------" and say "---- you?"

Like I said, but not a crime, but that someone, in this case, is a professor, and he is asking a question about the use of the word in a course about hate speech among other things. He's not calling a student the n-word. If he was, then, yeah, that could justify a shouted F-You inches from someone's face.

#159 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-14 04:38 PM | Reply

"define "stand up to"

To arise from the seated position and stand facing the person to whom you are about to speak.

#160 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 04:42 PM | Reply

160

then I can't imagine that is a crime.

#161 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-14 04:42 PM | Reply

To stand up to someone who is saying "------" and say "---- you?"

Stand up? This was a professor teaching a course. Are you really trying to equate this?

#162 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-14 05:00 PM | Reply

Boaz, I think the law equates it; I don't think professors get some kind of special treatment.

#163 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 05:12 PM | Reply

"He's not calling a student the n-word."

Are you sure? Maybe he was looking right at the black dude when he said the Magic Word... unlikely but I could see that changing perceptions.

Beyond that, if I just started saying the Magic Word out loud in public for no reason and directed at no one, eventually someone would probably call the cops.

I nominate RoC to find out if I'm right about that.

#164 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 05:16 PM | Reply

On the other hand if Boaz does it he's likely to be awarded the Key To The City by his redneck mayor.

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 05:17 PM | Reply

It's not a court of law. It's a school. The rules are different.

#166 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 05:43 PM | Reply

#157 - Thank you! Very good.

#167 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 06:13 PM | Reply

To arise from the seated position and stand facing the person to whom you are about to speak.

Let's read the article again, shall we?:

A male student of color stood up, inches from professor Rosen's face and shouted "---- YOU," this witness claimed. Just before that, a female student of color had shouted at Rosen, as the first was approaching, "do you feel safe right now." "There was no physical contact," this witness claims, though at the time the student feared there might be.
Note the bold "inches from [his] face", as [the student] was approaching" and "the student feared there might be [physical contact.]"

Simple comprehension says that the student stood up, approached the teacher, got in his face and screamed an expletive. At least one other student was afraid that there might be physical contact.

#168 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 06:44 PM | Reply

As the female person of color, acting as the other's hype man, tried to intimidate the professor by alluding to upcoming violence.

#169 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-02-14 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I don't think professors get some kind of special treatment.

Just so the comprehension challenged aren't confused, I don't know about NJ, but here in California they do, as partially evidenced by the increased penalties for assault as set forth in Cal. Pen. Code §241.6.

As for standing on a street corner shouting the "magic word", Goofy, I nominate you to head down to Horton Plaza or 5th and Broadway and see how long you last.

#170 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 06:53 PM | Reply

"At least one other student was afraid that there might be physical contact."

Sure.

In other news, 100% of students were afraid there might be a pop quiz.

You know something? "Fear is the mind killer." It's not a good place to argue from.

I suppose if you get in a California cops face and yell "---- you!" he's legally allowed to shoot you, right?

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 06:54 PM | Reply

"As for standing on a street corner shouting the "magic word"

Freedom of speech doesn't cover that, huh?

But it does for the professor, yeah?

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 06:58 PM | Reply

#171

No, but my guess is that you probably would be introduced to the baton of pain, since as I pointed out, IN CALIFORNIA, that could be considered an assault on a Peace Officer.

By all means go ahead and test out my theory and get back to us once you are done eating solids through a straw.

#173 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 07:00 PM | Reply

I'm done playing the question game, as I suggested earlier you need to test out your questions by actually doing what you suggest.

Good luck with that.

#174 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 07:02 PM | Reply

"that could be considered an assault on a Peace Officer."

Standing next to a police officer and yelling at their stupid pig face is assault?

Can you point me to any convictions?

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 07:04 PM | Reply

Goofy, if you had any balls you would take my suggestion in #173.

Let us know where to send the flowers or if you would rather have us donate to a charity on your behalf.

#176 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 07:08 PM | Reply

No cheating, make sure the cop has a body cam and it's on so we know that you were actually "yelling at their stupid pig face" before your face gets rearranged.

#177 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 07:11 PM | Reply

So, no convictions then?

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 07:28 PM | Reply

Google "assaulting a police officer california" and see how all the criminal defense sites explain it before you go "yelling at their stupid pig face."

Hint: you will see plenty of instances where they discuss an assault as "a serious threat of violence without contact."

Then see #174, and if you have the cojones to follow through, let us know if you need a Go Fund Me for your defense and medical bills, coño.

#179 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-14 07:50 PM | Reply

Since free speech seems to be the issue perhaps we had the wrong instructor who seem to focus on a certain segment of the population.
Lets get a 180 degree opposite instructor and lets discuss words like devil, ofay, smell like wet dog, destroyer of countries, exploiter of all, white supremacist, ------ imperialist MF.

Seems like a academic in-depth discussion in necessary.

#180 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-02-14 08:46 PM | Reply

#180 - He does use other examples too. You taught me some. Where the heck are you learning these things?

#181 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-02-14 10:17 PM | Reply

"As for standing on a street corner shouting the "magic word"

Freedom of speech doesn't cover that, huh?

But it does for the professor, yeah?

#172 | Posted by snoofy

There's a difference in teaching a class and standing on a public corner yelling the "n" word.

#182 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-15 08:59 AM | Reply

Boaz, do you think it's appropriate for teachers to casually use the word "---" in a classroom? The N word is far more obscene.

The people objecting to it's use in this case may have been racist in their selective outrage to it, but that's a different matter.

#183 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-15 04:12 PM | Reply

#180

Because you know, free speech accuracy.

#184 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-02-15 04:38 PM | Reply

Just for the sake of clarity, the word in quotes in #183 rhymes with Mike Hunt. (Or, if you prefer, York Hunt.)

#185 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-15 09:18 PM | Reply

All these bogus university courses are just Trojan Horses by conservative small business owners. If you sign up for a class called "Cultural Freedoms: Hate Speech, Blasphemy, and Pornography" it means that you're not going to get a job.

It wasn't easy to identify the people who wasted their parents' money and their own time. Now it is.

Got an applicant for a job? Ask for the transcript. Grades don't matter. Just the course selection does. One of these shows up, shake their hand, wish them a nice day, and hand them a Starbucks application on the way out.

#186 | Posted by WhiteDevil at 2018-02-16 03:05 AM | Reply

Boaz, do you think it's appropriate for teachers to casually use the word "---" in a classroom? The N word is far more obscene.

the word was marked out.

The "N" word is obscene. But in a teaching environment, I think it's different.

#187 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-16 05:32 PM | Reply

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