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Wednesday, February 14, 2018

So, immigration expands the economic pie but gives too meager a slice to ordinary people. The goal must be to retain, and in fact expand, immigration while ensuring that its benefits are distributed fairly. The current system does the opposite: channeling the benefits of migration to immigrants and domestic elites. Right now, special classes of citizens -- mostly corporations (and in practice, big corporations) and family members -- can sponsor temporary or permanent migrants, benefiting shareholders mainly, as well as ethnic enclaves. This system should be wiped away and replaced with a system of citizenship sponsorship for immigrants that we call a Visas Between Individuals Program. Under this new system, all citizens would have the right to sponsor a migrant for economic purposes.

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The only way to end this politically charged debate is to think carefully about benefits and costs as well as politics and perceptions. We need a new immigration system that offers liberal admission policies but targets its benefits to native workers rather than corporations.

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i agree, except the "big business" part. not this so-called Liberal. i'm for Open Borders. of course, not many Repubs, et al, know what that means. they just see OPEN and think BLIND.

#1 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-02-14 03:45 AM | Reply

We need to control who enters the Untied States of America.

The people who come there need to be people who add value to our society.

While driving down wages helps many industries, I do not believe it helps our society.

We need the tension of near "full" employment to keep wages at reasonable rates.

#2 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-14 08:28 AM | Reply

The people who come there need to be people who add value to our society.

While driving down wages helps many industries, I do not believe it helps our society.

We need the tension of near "full" employment to keep wages at reasonable rates.

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

1. When your ancestors came to America, were they skilled? Answer is "No.

2. Immigration and illegal immigrants are not driving wages down. That's an easily debunked right-wing talking point.

But for laughs, let's say it's true ... which begs the question ... why not let all these businesses and corporations who profit from low-wage immigrants and illegal immigrants, sponsor them?

3. While it's good that overall unemployment is down (thanks to Obama), the jobs are crappy with minimal benefits (thanks to greedy billionares and corporations), and there is evidence that many Americans have simply given up looking for good paying jobs altogether.

#3 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-14 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

. Immigration and illegal immigrants are not driving wages down. That's an easily debunked right-wing talking point

Yet you offer no evidence.

Also don't conflate immigration with illegal immigration...

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-02-14 10:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Then, why the drive to restrict legal immigration?

#5 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-02-14 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yet you offer no evidence.

Also don't conflate immigration with illegal immigration...

#4 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

1. Here's your evidence as to why wages are depressed, backed up with sources ...

www.drudge.com

2. What WhoDaMan said -- and that's why he is DaMan!

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-14 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

We have done this before, it's called indentured servitude.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2018-02-14 11:46 AM | Reply

1. Here's your evidence as to why wages are depressed, backed up with sources ...

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf

It is as plain as the nose on your face pin. Too many workers for the number of jobs.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-02-14 01:09 PM | Reply

Yea, nothing has changed since my ancestors landed in 1632. To not recognize that the population has changed and the needs of the country have changed is naive.

#9 | Posted by sawdust at 2018-02-14 01:10 PM | Reply

For those who claim that illegal immigration and H1B worker programs don't suppress wages, do you feel the same way about outsourcing?

"Then, why the drive to restrict legal immigration?"

As for that, I agree that many on the right are stingy and mean when it comes to legal immigration. Those who advocate open borders and perennial amnesty for undocumented immigrants often provoke and enable those are already in government positions and have that mindset to effect it. It's cause and effect.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-02-14 01:28 PM | Reply

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I thought back in the day (1800's), that was the only way you could could get into the country.

#11 | Posted by bat4255 at 2018-02-14 01:49 PM | Reply

"For those who claim that illegal immigration and H1B worker programs don't suppress wages."

It suppresses wages, but when the suppression means you make $70k instead of $75k this year, putting your individual income $10k above the median household income, that wage suppression is not really bringing you or the country down.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 01:55 PM | Reply

It is as plain as the nose on your face pin. Too many workers for the number of jobs.

#8 | Posted by Sniper

So... is that why we have the lowest unemployment rate in the known universe?

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-14 01:55 PM | Reply

--It suppresses wages, but when the suppression means you make $70k instead of $75k this year

lol. Unskilled and lesser-skilled american workers--black, white and brown, are unlikely to be making $40k.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 02:04 PM | Reply

"unlikely to be making $40k"

Because they're unskilled.

And because they're unskilled, they're not seeing wage suppression from highly skilled H1-B visa holder immigrants.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:14 PM | Reply

--Then, why the drive to restrict legal immigration?

Because we don't need to expand the population and the labor pool. American had a population of 100 million in the glory days of Ellis Island. Now it's up to 340 million and causing massive overpopulation problems--environment, housing, traffic congestion, crime, etc. Restrict both legal and illegal immigration, shrink the labor pool, and watch wages for the working class increase. It's Econ 101.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Now it's up to 340 million and causing massive overpopulation problems."

"Problems" like the lowest unemployment rate in years.

Actually nearly total employment is kind of a problem for Trump, since he would love to spend money, but with practically no unemployment, there isn't any need for fiscal stimulus.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-14 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

my ancestors landed in 1632

#9 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

1632 BC or 1632 AD ?

And since you consider yourself such a Charter Member of America, don't forget that African-Americans first arrived in America in 1619.

And since African-Americans have seniority over you, maybe you should listen to what they have to say.

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-02-14 02:41 PM | Reply

Yeah, see immigration is causing the current labor pool shortage.

And acne, it causes that, too, presumably.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 02:48 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY SAWDUST

Too late, the South rose from within. You can't make any arguments about allowing "the best people in" while the worst people are created here.

#20 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-02-14 03:11 PM | Reply

--labor pool shortage.

An employer euphemism for "we want more slave labor". There's always a "labor shortage" according to them. They just don't want higher wages and decreased profits.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 03:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- according to them.

Wow... another "Conspiracy!"

How many is that from you just today?

"American businesses can't find workers

money.cnn.com

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 04:07 PM | Reply

--"American businesses can't find workers

Raise wages. Econ 101.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-14 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23

Yes, Dulli, that's what you Trumpublicans are all about, raising wages, rofl!

#24 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-14 04:22 PM | Reply

"all citizens would have the right to sponsor a migrant for economic purposes"
How many of you have signed up?

#25 | Posted by Federalist at 2018-02-14 08:20 PM | Reply

Under this new system, all citizens would have the right to sponsor a migrant for economic purposes.

Didn't they use to call that....slavery?

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-15 09:02 AM | Reply

Hell no. It would become just as ineffective as anything we are doing today. With Liberals trying to give illegal immigrants more rights than even citizens have, all that will happen is over time they will argue that illegals should be able to sponsor other illegals and then we are no better off than we are today.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2018-02-15 12:52 PM | Reply

IF You REALLY wanted to end illegal immigration you would end capitalism. It's the main reason they comer here for a better life. If you support capitalism you support this.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-15 12:59 PM | Reply

Didn't they use to call that....slavery?

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2018-02-15 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

It was called indentured servitude. It lasted 7 years and then they became citizens.

#29 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-15 01:01 PM | Reply

Legal and illegal immigration was a different game before the creation of welfare state.

#30 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-02-15 03:01 PM | Reply

Open borders is a disaster why should people be able to come here without going through proper channels. Also why shouldn't we limit to some degree people who come here and can not make a life for themselves. If they don't speak English and have no skills they will be a drain to society. How long before we are overwhelmed? If we announced open borders and tens of thousands start coming what will we do with them? I dare any liberal to have honest answers to these questions.

#31 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-15 06:56 PM | Reply

IF You REALLY wanted to end illegal immigration you would end capitalism. It's the main reason they comer here for a better life. If you support capitalism you support this.

#28 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-02-15 12:59 PM | FLAG:

So tear our standard of living down to their countries level so they don't want to come. Please pass what you are smoking because it must be much better than mine.

#32 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-15 06:58 PM | Reply

So tear our standard of living down to their countries level so they don't want to come. Please pass what you are smoking because it must be much better than mine.

Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-15 06:58 PM | Reply

Intellectual answers always baffle the rubes.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-15 07:02 PM | Reply

Please pass what you are smoking because it must be much better than mine.

#32 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-02-15 06:58 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

No one will share with you.

#34 | Posted by Zed at 2018-02-15 07:03 PM | Reply

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