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Monday, February 12, 2018

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un invited South Korean President Moon Jae-in for talks in Pyongyang, South Korean officials said on Saturday, setting the stage for the first meeting of Korean leaders in more than 10 years. Any meeting would represent a diplomatic coup for Moon, who swept to power last year on a policy of engaging more with the reclusive North and has pushed for a diplomatic solution to the standoff over North Korea's nuclear and missile program.

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#1 | Posted by HanoverFist at 2018-02-12 11:21 AM | Reply

Looks like Comrade Kim is feeling the heat. Fortunately for him he has a useful idiot in South Korea he can play like a fiddle.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-12 11:28 AM | Reply

Looks like Comrade Kim is feeling the heat. Fortunately for him he has a useful idiot in South Korea he can play like a fiddle.

#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-02-12 11:28 AM

Because War is a much better option than diplomacy?

Maybe we should push to help find a diplomatic solution.

Unfortunately Trump/Pence chose not to follow Reagan's lead and instead are panicking because The Korean war might finally end without our help and in spite of our petulant leadership

#3 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-12 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Reagan:

"Tear down that wall"

Trump/Pence:

"Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah We can't hear you Nah Nah Nah Nah!"(with hands over ears)

#4 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-12 11:46 AM | Reply

NK sent so many in its 'delegation' that all will get a taste of what the South is like, and they will never be able to accept their worker's paradise once they return north. Imagine hanging about a place where food is abundant, the internet is not censored, people on the street can say or do as they think with fear and nearly everyone looks healthy--then traveling home, where much of what you just saw doesn't exist. The NK delegation, having had a taste, will want more.

Meanwhile, the Trump brain trust will have to find another place to have their war, NK being converted from within...

#5 | Posted by catdog at 2018-02-12 12:03 PM | Reply

Maybe we should push to help find a diplomatic solution.
#3 | POSTED BY HATTER5183

Where were you when Hillary was cheering on the ass-bayoneting of Muammar Gaddafi??

#6 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-02-12 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Where were you when Hillary was cheering on the ass-bayoneting of Muammar Gaddafi??

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM AT 2018-02-12 01:12 PM | REPLY |

There is a difference between offering diplomacy and being refused access (Libya)

and refusing to even offer a handshake when diplomacy is breaking out 4 seats away (Korea and Olympics)

I would cheer if the Kim family reign ends regardless of the means. Diplomacy is by far the preferable means though.

#7 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-12 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 7

The Norks are likely relaxing a bit now that the threat of a US attack has faded. They have nukes and they know that Trump is all huff and bluff.
Kimmy is likely thinking it is time to replicate the China miracle and use citizen slaves as cheap labor in factories to make him rich. He knows the US is fine with dictators running brutal lawless regimes like Russia and the Philippines as long as they blow kisses to the Dotard and license his trademarks or buy his condos.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-12 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#5 | Posted by catdog

You are wrong in that because a lot of them already know that. Don't forget they exercise control through fear and death camp punishments. THREE Generations of Punishment. You escape? You just condemned your family.

BTW - Did you read this article? Inside North Korea's Hacker Army

#9 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-02-12 04:06 PM | Reply

Where were you when Hillary was cheering on the ass-bayoneting of Muammar Gaddafi??

#6 | POSTED BY SHEEPLESCHISM

Hillary cheering ass-bayoneting? Was that like when the thousands of Muslims were supposedy cheering the 9/11 towers coming down (but not?)?

Hatter was probably here with the rest of us constantly debunking your partisan distortions of reality.

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-12 06:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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I would cheer if the Kim family reign ends regardless of the means. Diplomacy is by far the preferable means though.
#7 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2018-02-12 01:24 PM | FLAG:

What do you think the world can possibly offer them that would remove this deeply entrenched political party?

#11 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 11:14 AM | Reply

Was that like when

#10 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-02-12 06:27 PM | FLAG:

We came, we saw, he died.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 11:17 AM | Reply

#11 Why do we have to end the NK regime? Russia is worse and the dotardians want to get all kissy face with them.

#13 | Posted by bored at 2018-02-13 12:41 PM | Reply

#11 Why do we have to end the NK regime? Russia is worse and the dotardians want to get all kissy face with them.

#13 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2018-02-13 12:41 PM | REPLY

We don't. Welcome to libertarianism.

Now refer back to #7 where somebody is desiring them to be gone, the question remains. How is that supposed to be done through diplomacy, right after they built nuclear weapons to ensure the regime can't be toppled without mass casualties?

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 12:54 PM | Reply

We don't. Welcome to libertarianism.
Now refer back to #7 where somebody is desiring them to be gone, the question remains. How is that supposed to be done through diplomacy, right after they built nuclear weapons to ensure the regime can't be toppled without mass casualties?

#14 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-02-13 12:54 PM | REPLY

Can't be toppled without mass casualties?

It appears to be crumbling without even raised voices.

#15 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-13 01:07 PM | Reply

It appears to be crumbling without even raised voices.

#15 | POSTED BY HATTER5183 AT 2018-02-13 01:07 PM | REPLY

3.9% GDP growth in 2016, despite huge amounts of sanctions. Developed solid fuel, road mobile ICBMs well ahead of schedule, and successfully conducted testing of sub launched ballistic missiles just 6 months ago.

So back to the question. Exactly how do you see diplomacy playing out that takes the North Korean regime down?

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 02:15 PM | Reply

SITZ

Let me take a stab at that question.

"Exactly how do you see diplomacy playing out that takes the North Korean regime down?"

I don't. I see Kim Jong-un outsmarting Donald Trump.

#17 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-13 03:12 PM | Reply

That's not an attempt. Replace Trump with any leader you want. How do you see a diplomatic deal working out that ends the NK regime?

#18 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 03:18 PM | Reply

That's not an attempt. Replace Trump with any leader you want. How do you see a diplomatic deal working out that ends the NK regime?

#18 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-02-13 03:18 PM | REPLY |

The people of NK see that the people of SK they are competing side by side with are not devils, figure out there is no reason they need to live in darkness and poverty and Kim's power evaporates.

The same way East Germany fell.

#19 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-13 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How do you see a diplomatic deal working out that ends the NK regime?

#18 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

The deal is live and let live. If they can work with us then we work with them. And if not we do everything we can to undermine them short of war.

If they attack us then we have the right to destroy them, nuclear or otherwise.

Like with all the other countries that have nuclear weapons now.

It's not rocket science. It is about diplomacy.

And diplomacy takes a long time and is hard werk!

Too much werk for Humpy Trumpy. He would rather back himself into a corner where he has very few options apparently. Actual diplomacy cuts into his TV and cheeseburger time.

US Rep. Joe Kennedy criticizes shifting rhetoric from White House on North Korea:

"One of the concerns I have is you're hearing different stories out of senior administration officials as to what the strategy is going to be going forward," Kennedy said. "And that can't happen. We need the administration to get on the same page quickly because the world needs it."

Kennedy said the U.S. must engage diplomatically with Japan, South Korea and China. The U.S. must make sure that sanctions will be enforced and potentially made stronger, including curbing the flow of oil into North Korea.

Kennedy said the U.S. must make clear that "continued belligerence is not going to be tolerated." But at the same time, he worries that Trump's use of military rhetoric is backing the president into a corner.

"We also have to understand that talk of a military solution ... means 25 million people living in the metropolitan Seoul area will be put at risk," Kennedy said. "That's a lot of lives of a strong U.S. ally to say you're expendable. I have grave concerns that message starts to splinter an alliance rather than solidify it."

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#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-13 05:37 PM | Reply

--If they attack us then we have the right to destroy them, nuclear or otherwise.

Oh great. You want to wait until they fry Los Angeles, Honolulu or San Francisco.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-02-13 05:41 PM | Reply

--If they attack us then we have the right to destroy them, nuclear or otherwise.

Oh great. You want to wait until they fry Los Angeles, Honolulu or San Francisco.

#21 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh great. You want us to use our pre-cogs and pre-nuke them?

You assume they will try and nuke a city and you assume that the attack will be successful?

I assume differently.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-13 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb NK!" - Nulli McCain

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2018-02-13 06:09 PM | Reply

Oh great. You want us to use our pre-cogs and pre-nuke them?

You assume they will try and nuke a city and you assume that the attack will be successful?

I assume differently.

Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-13 06:06 PM | Reply

He's another chicken little.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-13 06:09 PM | Reply

The deal is live and let live.

#20 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-02-13 05:37 PM | FLAG:

That is probably what is going to happen.

That doesn't address this though: "I would cheer if the Kim family reign ends regardless of the means. Diplomacy is by far the preferable means though."

Read #7 again instead of setting up a strawman and beating it to death.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-13 06:18 PM | Reply

That doesn't address this though: "I would cheer if the Kim family reign ends regardless of the means. Diplomacy is by far the preferable means though."

Read #7 again instead of setting up a strawman and beating it to death.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg

I wasn't responding to #7

I was responding to:

"How do you see a diplomatic deal working out that ends the NK regime?"

Just because you worded your question in such a way that attempts to limit how it can be answered does not mean I am limited as to how to answer it.

I am trying to tell you the answer is... not ending the regime. The answer is trying to learn to live with them. The only way that will happen is if we try and understand them. We are not even trying right now. All we do is threaten them. By constantly telling them we are going to end them. THAT my friend, is never going to work.

For anyone.

But, it will more than likely end in an ugly war.

So the answer is not trying so hard to end them. But, to try hard to live with them.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-13 06:40 PM | Reply

DONNER

If Kim's overtures to normalize relations with South Korea is true and bears fruit over time, he has co-opted a US ally. It's a small step, I agree, but it's also one of historic proportions and a base upon which to work to bring North Korea back into the global economy with it's own network of allies and trading partners.

I'm not saying that Kim Jong-un is going to do an about face overnight. I'm saying that he has outsmarted Donald Trump by purposely embarking on a policy to pre-empt Trump's war ambitions against North Korea.

If such is the case, and if Trump doesn't go completely ballistic over being out-maneuvered, this could work out to unite the peninsula even if it's only a baby step in that direction.

Of course, that's the last thing Trump wants to see and he would no doubt engage in an ugly propaganda campaign to block a unification.

Since delicate diplomacy is key and Trump destroys everything he touches, it would probably be better if North Korea kept United States out of the process until we have a regime change of our own.

#27 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-02-14 02:26 AM | Reply

Just because you
#26 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-02-13 06:40 PM | REPLY

You're answering a question that wasn't addressed to you, setting up a strawman, and blindly clubbing at it.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-14 08:20 AM | Reply

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