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Wednesday, January 31, 2018

Jimmy Kimmel introduced a group of hardcore conservatives against DACA to a woman who was brought to America illegally at age two. The women held her young daughter on her lap and explained that she has submitted paperwork, has a social security card and pays taxes. None were moved to say the woman should not be deported. When one guest told her to leave and apply to comeback legally, she explained it could take 10 years. The man had no sympathy saying then that's what it takes. When her American soldier fiance was brought into the picture, one of anti-DACA guests did kind of say the woman should not be deported.

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Maybe more minds would be changed if it were acknowledged what they really are - victims of child human trafficking. But "woke" Democrats have repeatedly shown they're not really interested in helping these victims by curbing the practice.

#1 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-31 11:12 AM | Reply

Barack deported more than any other POTUS.

Do you have any other items that are false?

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-31 11:24 AM | Reply

Not one American citizen would benefit in any way with the deportaion of that woman. Two American citizens will be harmed by her deportation. That bunch of angry cranks make me ashamed of my country. I like when Jimmy would not agree that America is this wonderfully kind place, it's certainly not.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-31 12:03 PM | Reply

Barack deported more than any other POTUS.
#2 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Barack changed the definition of "deportation"....

A closer examination shows that immigrants living illegally in most of the continental U.S. are less likely to be deported today than before Obama came to office, according to immigration data.
......
The shift in who gets tallied helped the administration look tough in its early years but now may be backfiring politically. Immigration advocates plan protests across the country this week around what they say will be the 2 millionth deportation under Obama -- a mark expected to be hit in the next few days. And Democratic strategists fret about a decline in Latino voter turnout for this fall's election.
www.latimes.com

Do you have any other items that are false, when trying to point out a truth?

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-01-31 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3 I have a friend who voted for Johnson but who is very hardline when it comes to immigration just like those Trump voters. I'm really surprised at her hard- heartedness on this issues as she is a devout Christian who attends church weekly and participates in all her church's social functions (pot luck suppers, quilting club, etc). I don't get how anyone with any compassion can want to send back a young woman who has been here for over 20 years, since she was 2 years old, who has never broken the law, who works and pays taxes, and has who both an American born child and fiancé.

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 12:11 PM | Reply

Those anti-DACA hardliners are typical of many GOP voters who rage against people who are also struggling but who give a pass to the 1% and their tax-cutting enablers in Congress.

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-31 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The desire to personally hurt people is strong and flagrant in the Republican party.

#7 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-31 02:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Satan has captured the hearts and minds of dotardians, Jesus weeps.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-31 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--Barack deported more than any other POTUS.

Democrat deportations: Good

Republican deportations: Bad

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-31 03:30 PM | Reply

#9 | Posted by nullifidian

Do you seriously think that?

#10 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-31 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Do you seriously think that?

Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-31 04:54 PM | Reply

I stopped right there. That's all that was needed.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-31 05:14 PM | Reply

hey, nullifidian:

"tu quoque"

It's all you've got left it seems.

#12 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-01-31 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I've worked long and hard to become a parody of my former self. Don't judge. - Nullitwitian

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-31 07:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Maybe more minds would be changed if it were acknowledged what they really are - victims of child human trafficking."

For what was she trafficked, and at what harm to her?

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 07:16 PM | Reply

--Barack deported more than any other POTUS.

This is about Dreamers... not illegal immigrants.. try to focus... How many Dreamers did Barack deport again?

Barack used his authority to make a promise that if they pay the fees and got properly vetted we would protect the Dreamers so they would have legal status so they could come out of the shadows until Congress could solve the problems.

Trump purposely made this problem worse by using his authority to put them back into limbo to break America's promise to them so as to be able to hold them hostage for his stupid wall just to please his deplorable base.

It should be relatively easy for a reasonable person to see who was trying to do the just and honorable thing.

Are you a reasonable person anymore Nulli?

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Next up, Kimmel puts two-state solution advocates and Zionists in the same room to achieve peace in the Middle East.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-31 07:29 PM | Reply

Dreamers are illegal immigrants. Dreamer literally means "alien minor" in the last 2 letters, and they wouldn't be in the Dreamer program if they came here legally.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-31 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

==This is about Dreamers... not illegal immigrants.

A distinction without a difference, but no, BruceBanner's Post #2 was about deportations of illegal immigrants. Maybe you should read it again.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-31 07:31 PM | Reply

Dreamer literally means "alien minor" in the last 2 letters,

#17 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG AT 2018-01-31 07:30 PM | FLAG:

If you're confused on what this means, it's called the DREAM Act

#19 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-31 07:32 PM | Reply

The democrats have no intention of keeping illegals from coming in that's the problem with this whole mess. The double talk is astounding. If republicans did promise not to kick out the dreamers but it will cost would cost the democrats a secure boarder wall and tightened security, the end to chain immigration and the lotto how is that a bad thing? What is amazing is there are speeches given by almost every major player in the democratic side slamming illegal immigration even Obama himself so what changed? Just a letter from a D to an R in the white house. This is the bullshit I am so tired of and both sides do it.

#20 | Posted by WTFIGO at 2018-01-31 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dreamers are illegal immigrants. Dreamer literally means "alien minor" in the last 2 letters, and they wouldn't be in the Dreamer program if they came here legally.

#17 | Posted by sitzkrieg

The Dreamers would be not here illegally except that Trump pulled the rug out from under them. They were given 2 year work visa's that allowed them to LEGALLY reside in the US for two years and get jobs and credit cards and drivers licenses. After that, they could apply for renewal.

So no they will not be "illegal" immigrants until their visa's expire.

==This is about Dreamers... not illegal immigrants.

A distinction without a difference, but no, BruceBanner's Post #2 was about deportations of illegal immigrants. Maybe you should read it again.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

BS... I am referring to this statement that you quoted --Barack deported more than any other POTUS

Barack tried to show he was strong on border security and did deport at lot of undocumented immigrants but he did not deport more Dreamers than any other POTUS. Some may have been deported under his watch but he moved to protect them. Just as Trump could move to protect them instead of throwing them into limbo and using them as hostages.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-31 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People need to stop referring to the Dreamers as criminals. They were brought here without consent; below the age of legally having right to consent. They SHOULD be treated differently under the law simply based upon our own distinction of said law (i.e., age of when an individual has the right to consent versus assent).

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 09:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This would be like introducing Boaz to Boaz and then telling Boaz that Boaz is black.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 10:33 PM | Reply

I hardly ever watch his show but happened upon it by chance while they were going thru that. I agree with him that there isn't a lot of compassion and empathy out there these days.
Those orange MAGA hats are bigly ridiculous.

#24 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2018-01-31 10:50 PM | Reply

"I agree with him that there isn't a lot of compassion and empathy out there these days."

Capitalism just needs to find a way to make it profitable, then we will see compassion and empathy in spades.
It already has, provided you're a televangelist whose flock just bought him a new jet.

You know what we have inseaad of compassion and empathy?
Thoughts and prayers.

There are acts of compassion and acts of empathy, but we don't really speak about acts of prayers, or acts of thought.
You can think alone, you can pray alone, Go do those things alone, away from the problem.
Don't fix the problem, just think about it, and pray it gets better.

This culture seems normal but is suddenly jarring, like a four year old that walks and speaks, and then goes and feeds at his mother's breast.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 11:17 PM | Reply

Trump: "We love the dreamers."

'We love the Dreamers': Trump close to decision on future of Obama program www.theguardian.com

"Tell them not to worry"

Trump tells DACA recipients not to worry. www.vox.com

because we're gonna have "a bill of love".

Trump touts 'bill of love' for Dreamers and raises sweeping immigration reform www.theguardian.com

Methinks the Trump supporters in that video will go ballistic if Trump "loves" the Dreamers too much.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-02-01 06:42 AM | Reply

"Capitalism just needs to find a way to make it profitable, then we will see compassion and empathy in spades."

It already is profitable to have illegals here. The businesses usually want them here for cheap labor. Haven't the polls shown that people most people are against deporting them? I'm pretty sure the wealthy put up with the "deport them!" viewport in order to get more Republican voters.

It's really inhuman to deport them because, in pretty much every way, they're just as American as the rest of us. If ICE finds the family and deports them before the child is an adult, then fine, but once that child is an adult, it should be different. No one who commits a crime at the age of 5 is put in prison for it as an adult. You could argue that deporting them is essentially exile for committing a crime as a child.

#27 | Posted by LEgregius at 2018-02-01 08:01 AM | Reply

Laura, did you see where that couple was from?

Turns out my daughter knows that girl personally.

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here. Nothing good comes form deporting these people.

I wish more folks would see this interview and recognize the folks who are so unwilling to compromise on this issue, their narrow mindedness, and unrealistic as to what happens if we deport these people and expect them to start the legal process of coming back.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 08:52 AM | Reply

The Dreamers would be not here illegally

#21 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-01-31 08:20 PM | REPLY

Illegal immigrants. No amount of running down the euphemism treadmill or finger pointing changes that.

#29 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-01 09:05 AM | Reply

"Methinks the Trump supporters in that video will go ballistic if Trump "loves" the Dreamers too much."

Let them go ballistic. Where are they going to go with their support?

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 09:06 AM | Reply

"Illegal immigrants. No amount of running down the euphemism treadmill or finger pointing changes that."

Why not "kidnapped kids"?

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-01 09:20 AM | Reply

I'm a Kimmell fan but I have to admit to being conflicted about this.

When Kimmel, the NY Time, NY Post and many other outlets go on these Cletus Safaris to elicit "what are Trump voters thinking" it gives them a voice and platform to espouse whatever ridiculous nonsense is rattling around in their heads.

On the other hand it does showcase the fact that they're so full of hatred and bigotry.

#32 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-02-01 10:15 AM | Reply

"On the other hand it does showcase the fact that they're so full of hatred and bigotry."

Yes, it may be an opportunity for Trump voters to see themselves in the mirror

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 10:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Seeing themselves in the mirror and correctly identifying what the reflection means assumes a level of self awareness that's to this point not evident.

#34 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-02-01 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Illegal immigrants. No amount of running down the euphemism treadmill or finger pointing changes that."

They will not be here illegally until their visa expires. So they cannot be arrested and deported.

No amount of fear mongering or gum flapping will change that.

However, the President could end this particular dilemma that he created with the stroke of a pen.

#35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:07 AM | Reply

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I see this from the standpoint of partisan loyalty. That is what Trump enjoys the most. Not support for his policies so much as support for the party. It's obvious from polling that even a portion of Trump supporters don't want to deport folks such as the ones interviewed by Kimmel.

My point is that if you can isolate a policy that forces discussion amongst GOP loyalists....it will force them to see their party brethren like the rednecks in the interview...and perhaps say, "gee, what a couple of assholes".

I don't expect a ton of GOPers to do that but some will if they see that interview and already express a desire to keep those folks here.

#36 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 11:14 AM | Reply

Let them go ballistic. Where are they going to go with their support?

#30 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2018-02-01 09:06 AM | REPLY

Back to Doxing and SWATing people from their basements.

#37 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-02-01 12:04 PM | Reply

They will not be here illegally until their visa expires. - #35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:07 AM
Do you have some sort of citation that DACA recipients get a visa? Or are you perhaps considering their work permit as a visa?

#38 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-01 01:15 PM | Reply

They will not be here illegally until their visa expires. - #35 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:07 AM
Do you have some sort of citation that DACA recipients get a visa? Or are you perhaps considering their work permit as a visa?

#38 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

DACA provided work permits for many and allowed them to stay here. It didn't provide a VISA, but it basically resembled one except it couldn't be turned into a green card. Many served in the US army or navy.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-01 02:34 PM | Reply

Yes, it may be an opportunity for Trump voters to see themselves in the mirror

#33 | POSTED BY EBERLY

If they were capable of that, they wouldn't have voted for Trump.

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-01 02:35 PM | Reply

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I know you struggle with this.

Move on.

#41 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 02:51 PM | Reply

It didn't provide a VISA, but it basically resembled one except it couldn't be turned into a green card. Many served in the US army or navy. - #39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-01 02:34 PM
I'm trying to help Donnerboy realize that the basis of his argument is flawed. He's making an argument based on an ignorant stance. Thanks though.

#42 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-01 03:22 PM | Reply

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I know you struggle with this.
Move on.

#41 | POSTED BY EBERLY

That was pretty weak. You're better than that.

#43 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-01 03:48 PM | Reply

It didn't provide a VISA It didn't provide a VISA, but it basically resembled one except it couldn't be turned into a green card.

You are right. I probably shouldn't have used the word "visa". It didn't provide an actual VISA it provided a work permit. Some articles were referring to that as a 'visa".

But, that doesn't change a thing. It is like a limited visa. They are still not here as illegal immigrants until their DACA expires.

DACA does provide a deferred status. Which means they are not here illegally if they are accepted to DACA. They can get a legal social security card and drivers license or State ID card and a work permit.

Legally.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 05:12 PM | Reply

I don't get how anyone with any compassion can want to send back a young woman who has been here for over 20 years
#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

I think you hit on the problem right there. Those who want to send her back have no compassion.

#45 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-02-01 06:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

DACA does provide a deferred status. Which means they are not here illegally if they are accepted to DACA. They can get a legal social security card and drivers license or State ID card and a work permit.- #44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 05:12 PM
Thank-you for the honest review of what you'd said. Please now examine the word 'deferred' in DACA. Just because the government has elected to delay the resolution of an illegal act does not eliminate the fact that the act still remains illegal.

#46 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-02-01 10:05 PM | Reply

Legally.
#44 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-02-01 05:12 PM | FLAG:

They're as legal as your weed grow... which is not at all.

"The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) was an American immigration policy that allowed some individuals who entered the country as minors, and had either entered or remained in the country illegally, to receive a renewable two-year period of deferred action from deportation and to be eligible for a work permit."

#47 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-02-02 07:19 AM | Reply

Laura, did you see where that couple was from?

Turns out my daughter knows that girl personally.

I agree with most of the sentiments expressed here. Nothing good comes form deporting these people.

I wish more folks would see this interview and recognize the folks who are so unwilling to compromise on this issue, their narrow mindedness, and unrealistic as to what happens if we deport these people and expect them to start the legal process of coming back.

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2018-02-01 08:52 AM | Reply | Flag

I seen it in the paper. That's awesome sauce!!!!!!!!!!!!

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-02-02 11:44 AM | Reply

"I wish..."

Hope and Change!
:)

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-02-02 12:47 PM | Reply

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