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Wednesday, January 31, 2018

Under the cover of his soothing rhetoric about unity and bipartisanship, Trump called on Congress to give him unprecedented and unquestionably antidemocratic powers: "Tonight," he said, "I call on the congress to empower every Cabinet secretary with the authority to reward good workers -- and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people."

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By design, it is easy to overlook the true significance of the second half of that phrase. But dwell on it for a moment, and imagine what this would actually look like in practice. Under Trump's proposal, any Cabinet secretary could decide that, say, a law enforcement official investigating the president had "undermined the public trust" or "failed the American people" -- and fire him on the spot. In other words, Trump is calling for an end to any semblance of independence for the IRS, the FBI, the Department of Justice, or any other federal agency.

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"and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people."

Posted by BruceBanner at 10:02 AM | 0 COMMENTS | permalink | Comment on This Entry |

Trump is thinking coup and, if he can't subvert Mueller in any ordinary way, a coup is what he will attempt.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-31 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Could Trump pull off a coup? Probably not. But the attempt will be damaging enough to this country. Will some Americans support a coup? Absolutely, including one or two who come here.

Sarah Sanders will take pleasure in telling the White House press corps that they are, "Under temporary detention, for your own safety during this period of transition".

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-31 10:10 AM | Reply

Having politicians take absolute control of thought and action at federal (really every) agency is a good start for him. He was testing the waters when he walked into that Carrier factory and told them how to run his business. Now we see full corporate sycophancy meaning he has power over corporations to make them say what he wants.

This is blatant.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-31 11:13 AM | Reply

This will obviously be the DR Left Drama Thread of the Day.

Every Administration since Carter (with the notable exception of Obama) has sought for increased ability to terminate Federal Employees for poor job performance, which is almost impossible to do. Trump may be asking for this, but he will never get it, it is one of the sacred benefits of Federal Employment.

But by all means, continue your circle flapping.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 12:00 PM | Reply

Educate yourself:

Why isn't it easier to fire career civil servants?

As is the case with most processes in the federal government, firing a career employee is not simple. There is a good reason why it isn't so easy, or as commonplace, as it is in the private sector: There are laws protecting career civil servants from being dismissed without cause or for politically-motivated reasons. Certainly there's a case to be made that the federal firing process (which does exist) could, and probably should, be improved. But making it too easy seriously threatens the due process long afforded to federal workers, significantly increases the risk of politically-motivated sackings, and could have adverse effects on the recruitment and retention of talented federal employees.

The federal workforce is made up of about 2.1 million employees. In fiscal 2013, only 9,559 employees were terminated or removed for discipline or performance, according to Office of Personnel Management statistics. That's less than 1 percent of the total workforce.

Government Executive Magazine: Firing Federal Employees Isn't Easy, But It Can Be Done"

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 12:04 PM | Reply

But by all means, continue your circle flapping.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 12:00

Nothing sadder than a chicken volunteering to hop into a pot.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-31 12:34 PM | Reply

"to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the American people."

So trump needs to be removed. He's failed We the People countless times already and he undermines the public trust for a living.

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-31 12:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"There are laws protecting career civil servants from being dismissed without cause or for politically-motivated reasons."

How terrible.

"9,559 employees were terminated or removed for discipline or performance"

IOW, on average, every hour of every day, someone is getting terminated for discipline or performance.

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-31 12:49 PM | Reply

#8

In other words, less than .46 of the Federal workforce is being fired each day for gross incompetence (which other than criminality is the main reason for termination for cause of Federal Employees). How many times have you seen something that a federal employee does that would get them fired from your job yet still keep their job, year after year?

That's what we are talking about.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 07:16 PM | Reply

"How many times have you seen something that a federal employee does that would get them fired from your job yet still keep their job, year after year?"

How many, with specific examples please.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 07:19 PM | Reply

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Not playing your game Goofy, Google "dumb federal employees" if you want thousands of examples.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 08:21 PM | Reply

I'll reject your claim as unsubstantiated hyperbole and hearsay then.

In a few cases you're right, I probably couldn't lie to Congress like James Clapper and keep my job. But my job isn't head of a major org like NSA. Someone like the head of a major corporation could lie to Congress and keep their job.

You and I, not so much.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do what you want, Goofy, but I worked for the Federal Government twice, both in the USMC and at the SEC for a short period of time and have personal experience with plenty of people who should be fired on a daily basis for incompetence but know that they are safe in their mediocrity. In the private sector, they wouldn't last the probationary period.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 09:20 PM | Reply

BTW, we aren't talking about the US Congress, we are talking about the other 2.1 Million federal employees who know that they can't be fired.

Think about that little stat for a minute.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 09:22 PM | Reply

They CAN be fired.

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 09:23 PM | Reply

#15

Read the link I posted, you really have to try to get fired from a federal job.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 09:25 PM | Reply

you really have to try to get fired from a federal job.

If you're in the Army you just need to get fat.

#17 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 09:28 PM | Reply

That's less than 1 percent of the total workforce.

Just goes to show how good federal employees are at their job! What's your beef?

Now, County or State employees? That's a WHOLE separate matter.

Believe me. I work intimately with both.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 09:41 PM | Reply

EDIT:

Excuse me, with all three.

#19 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 09:41 PM | Reply

Or fail your marksmanship or PT tests. You used to be able to declare yourself a homosexual, but that avenue of disqualification is unavailable now.

#20 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-31 09:41 PM | Reply

#18-19

As in most job environments, I will leave the final say up to the federal employees themselves:

A several-year trend of improvement in federal employees' views of working for the government continued this year, with responses more positive in 64 of the 84 questions in a government-wide employee survey compared with 2016 and more negative in just one, the government said Thursday.

Results of a survey conducted in May and June and released by the Office of Personnel Management repeated familiar themes. On the positive side, more than nine-tenths of federal employees believe their work is important, that they are willing to put in extra effort to get their work done, and that they are constantly looking for ways to improve.

The most negative responses again involved the government's performance culture. Forty-seven percent disagreed that pay raises depend on how well employees perform their jobs, and 42 percent disagreed that in their work unit steps are taken to deal with employees who cannot or will not improve their performance.

Similarly, about a third disagreed that promotions are based on merit, that differences in performance are recognized in a meaningful way, that awards depend on how well employees perform their jobs, and that creativity and innovation are rewarded.

This bears repeating: " 42 percent disagreed that in their work unit steps are taken to deal with employees who cannot or will not improve their performance."

If you ever want to know how well someone does their jobs, ask their co-workers.

Federal employees more positive about working for Uncle Sam in 2017

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-31 09:53 PM | Reply

Not playing your game Goofy, Google "dumb federal employees" if you want thousands of examples.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Poor way to support your argument.

I say this only because I would bet that 80% of the complainers were responsible for the screw up themselves.

I base this on the fact that every time I go to a government office, post office, DMV ect, there's at least one person in front of me who screws something up (wrong paper work, wrong address, wrong packaging...something). It then becomes the clerk's fault for their incompetency.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-31 09:54 PM | Reply

" 42 percent disagreed that in their work unit steps are taken to deal with employees who cannot or will not improve their performance."

The bears are repeating.

That still doesn't compare to the County/State levels of discontent.

If you ever want to know how well someone does their jobs, ask their co-workers.

I don't need to. I am the closest they got to a coworker without working for their organization. You're talking to someone who's a direct witness.

As I said suggested before...There. Is. No. Comparison.

#23 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 09:59 PM | Reply

"we are talking about the other 2.1 Million federal employees"

And yet you have no actual stories to substantiate your laughable claim.
That's what makes your laughable claim so laughable, go figure!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-31 10:22 PM | Reply

Not playing your game Goofy, Google "dumb federal employees" if you want thousands of examples.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-01-31 08:21 PM | REPLY |

I'll see your dumb federal employees and raise you dumb private company employees who are unqualified for any job but get one because daddy or daddy's friend owns the business.

#25 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-02-01 09:11 AM | Reply

As I recall, that remark in SOTU was related to 1500 employees at the VA who were removed for failing to give competent care to veterans. I know POTUS wants to run the country like a company, but I guess we can't have that. Even if someone is doing a crappy job, they need to do more than that to be removed. And that's why when the Federal government acts locally, the inefficiencies multiply.

I'm starting to understand better why DT has proposed putting only a portion of government money into the $1.5 trillion infrastructure plan to leverage state and local AND private sector funding. It would likely be more efficient than running everything from Washington.

#26 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-02-01 10:24 AM | Reply

"As I recall, that remark in SOTU was related to 1500 employees at the VA"

If you actually believe Trump was referring to that, and not to Mueller, Rosenstein, and Wray, I've got a bridge to sell you.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-02-01 10:29 AM | Reply

Not playing your game Goofy, Google "dumb federal employees" if you want thousands of examples.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Google "Dumb Employees" if you want thousands of examples

Welcome to the world of labor. Lots of dumb people.

And the Feds are the worst because they go out of their way to hire veterans who are having trouble finding work.

So why do you hate veterans?

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-02-01 10:59 AM | Reply

Not playing your game Goofy, Google "dumb federal employees" if you want thousands of examples.
#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I bet I know who the dumbest federal employee is, too!

He spends most of his day watching fox news and tweeting nonsense.

It's our Beloved Lard Commander Marmalade!

#29 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:15 AM | Reply

"and to remove federal employees who undermine the public trust or fail the America"

As it turns out the the dumbest federal employee is is also the same one who is undermining the public trust in the Presidency and who is failing America.

Yep.

Guess it's time to say to Humpy Trumpy,

YOU'RE FIRED!

#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:21 AM | Reply

That still doesn't compare to the County/State levels of discontent.

I don't disagree, but that isn't what I am talking about. There point is, if federal workers themselves know that this is an issue, we should listen to them.

dumb private company employees who are unqualified for any job but get one because daddy or daddy's friend owns the business.

Terrible deflection, for every one of those hires there are millions of private employees that get hired (and fired) on merit.

Welcome to the world of labor. Lots of dumb people.

And unlike federal employees, those people are much easier to fire for incompetence. However, you should have stopped here...

And the Feds are the worst because they go out of their way to hire veterans who are having trouble finding work.

So why do you hate veterans?

Even Snoofy would be embarrassed at this incredibly lame attempt to assign a position to me, especially since I am a veteran.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-02-01 11:41 AM | Reply

I am a veteran.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter

Do you think Vets should get any hiring preference?

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 12:49 PM | Reply

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#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-02-01 11:31 PM | Reply

"Terrible deflection, for every one of those hires there are millions of private employees that get hired (and fired) on merit."

Prove it. Not only do incompetence, nepotism, and bureaucracy exist in the private sector, in plenty of places, they exist on purpose. Ever deal with an insurance company, medical provider,
or a large bank? Simplicity itself when you are doing anything that makes them money, but endless time and expense for anything that costs them money.

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-02-02 03:01 AM | Reply

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