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Monday, January 29, 2018

If Donald Trump lied to the American people when he called reports he tried to fire Robert Mueller "fake news", that would be grounds for impeachment, the independent counsel who investigated the Clinton White House said on Sunday. Ken Starr, who used Bill Clinton's false statements about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky as grounds for impeachment, told ABC's This Week: "Lying to the American people is a serious issue that has to be explored. I take lying to the American people very, very seriously, so absolutely." Starr said: "That is something Bob Mueller should look at."

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#1 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-29 12:17 PM | Reply

Everything is an impeachable offense to the party not in office. Might as well just have every President sign a notice of impeachment right after they take the oath.

#2 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-29 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Presidential actions which are impeachable is a matter strictly determined by the Party of the President, eh MSGT?

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-29 12:25 PM | Reply

#2, Am I reading this wrong? Ken Starr said this, so he's used lying under oath as an argument to impeach both a Republican and a Democratic president. How is that something about the party not in power?

#4 | Posted by LEgregius at 2018-01-29 12:28 PM | Reply

MSGT

I sort of laughed a little but myself when I read "lying to the American people is impeachable."

We'd have to date the Articles of Impeachment all the way back to Trump's nomination.

#5 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-29 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Everything is an impeachable offense to the party not in office." - #2 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-29 12:23 PM

Care to outline the "everything" that President Obama was supposed to have committed?

To the party not in office.

#6 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 12:30 PM | Reply

"Everything is an impeachable offense to the party not in office. Might as well just have every President sign a notice of impeachment right after they take the oath." - #2 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-29 12:23 PM

Obama is the only president since Nixon who didn't face an independent investigation
Facts are funny things.

#7 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Mueller will not be hanging his hat on the over-used, hackneyed, meaningless phrase 'fake news'...

#8 | Posted by catdog at 2018-01-29 12:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everything is an impeachable offense to the party not in office. Might as well just have every President sign a notice of impeachment right after they take the oath.

#2 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

Didn't you impeach a president for lying?

So it appears to be an impeachable offense to both parties then, right?

Why rewrite your party's own history?

#9 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-29 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not if a majority of Republicans don't want to. Any reasonable chance for impeachment will require a Democratic majority. But, the Democratic Party is busy recruiting blue dogs, on the theory they have a better chance of winning. The Democratic leadership hates Sanders, America's most popular politician.

#10 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-29 12:59 PM | Reply

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He was impeached for being so stupid that he thought he could plug an intern in the oval office and get away with it.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 01:01 PM | Reply

He was impeached for being so stupid that he thought he could plug an intern in the oval office and get away with it.

#11 | Posted by fishpaw

Seems to me that he did get away with it.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-29 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"...he thought he could plug an intern in the oval office and get away with it." - #11 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 01:01 PM

It wasn't intercourse ("plug").

And I seriously doubt that Clinton was the first president to use his, ahem, "executive privileges" in the Oval Office. Probably won't be the last, either.

Meanwhile, as to lying about it...

"Our impeachment of President Clinton was another example of placing the wrong political emphasis on personal matters. We impeached Clinton for lying to the government. To our surprise the electorate gave us cold comfort. Lying to the government: It's called April 15th. And we accused Clinton of lying about sex, which all men spend their lives doing, starting at 15 bragging about things we haven't done yet, then on to fibbing about things we are doing, and winding up with prevarications about things we no longer can do." - P.J. O'Rourke

#13 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 01:06 PM | Reply

#11 and the GOP is too stupidly partisan to impeach him for the garbage he thinks he can get away with.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-29 01:10 PM | Reply

He was impeached for being so stupid that he thought he could plug an intern in the oval office and get away with it.

#11 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

He was impeached for lying about it.

Again re-writing history. Pathetic and sad.

#15 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-29 01:11 PM | Reply

He was impeached for lying about it, under oath

FTFY

I will acknowledge that it shouldn't have been an issue though because it had nothing to do with why the Special Counsel was initiated in the first place: Whitewater.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 01:15 PM | Reply

#15 Ok I'll re-write it for you. He was impeached for lying about being so stupid that he thought he could get a hummer from an intern in the oval office and get away with it.

How is that queen pathetic?

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 01:16 PM | Reply

"...he thought he could get a hummer from an intern in the oval office and get away with it." - #17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 01:16 PM

He did get away with it.

His mistake was not determining spits or swallows before hand.

And then lying about it.

#18 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 01:20 PM | Reply

As long as we're traveling in the way-back machine, a better example would be Nixon's resignation rather than face impeachment for Obstruction of Justice.

People actually went to jail because of that.

That's exactly Trump's predicament right now.

#19 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-29 01:30 PM | Reply

We should add "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" to the oath of office. Bosses normally expect their employees to tell them the truth. We seem to expect our politicians to lie to us.

#20 | Posted by TenMile at 2018-01-29 01:41 PM | Reply

Then you might ask yourself how many Republican congresscritter are jumping ship right now rather than face "guilt by association" in 2018.

And we're still 10 months out. How many more will follow?

There's your bellwether ~ in real time.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-29 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ken Starr is an Everest sized piece of shit. Ken Starr saying Donald Trump did something that is impeachable is the first credible evidence I have heard that Donald Trump has never done anything impeachable.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-29 02:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

MODER8

Ken Starr's logic is way off base.

Don't waste your evaluation on what he says.

#23 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-29 03:00 PM | Reply

He was impeached for lying about it, under oath
FTFY
I will acknowledge that it shouldn't have been an issue though because it had nothing to do with why the Special Counsel was initiated in the first place: Whitewater.

#16 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Yes, because lying about it under oath is a crime. So is lying to the FBI.

But frankly, the Constitution gives Congress the ability to impeach for anything they want. So...lying to the American people could be impeachable.

#24 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-29 04:52 PM | Reply

If that was the case Obama would have been impeached unless you are saving $2500/year on insurance

#25 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 04:57 PM | Reply

Fishypaws is a Russian bot.

#26 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-29 10:43 PM | Reply

Clinton got impeached for lying under oath, a felony. Perjury, to be more precise.

I suppose lying to investigative officials is also a crime. If any investigative officials heard the Trump sound bite - like on TV - then maybe they can get him that way. Otherwise Starr is wrong on this one.

But heads are rolling at FBI and DOJ for abuse of power and more are coming. The light will shine. The state of the union is good!

#27 | Posted by Nuke_Gently at 2018-01-30 06:49 AM | Reply

"If any investigative officials heard the Trump sound bite - like on TV - then maybe they can get him that way"

Very unlikely. Starr obviously heard Clinton when he lied to the American people, and also when he sent his cabinet members to lie to the media on his behalf, but there were no charges until people lied directly to the investigator under oath.

#28 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-30 08:45 AM | Reply

"If any investigative officials heard the Trump sound bite - like on TV - then maybe they can get him that way"

Very unlikely. Starr obviously heard Clinton when he lied to the American people, and also when he sent his cabinet members to lie to the media on his behalf, but there were no charges until people lied directly to the investigator under oath.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-30 08:45 AM | Reply

"But heads are rolling at FBI and DOJ for abuse of power and more are coming. The light will shine. The state of the union is good!"

Exactly the opposite is actually happening. Republicans in Congress, Nunes at the lead, are trying to destroy an important agency of the Federal Government simply because they won't lie and defend Trump. It won't work, they have already been called out on it and the people are aware of their pathetic attempt to defend their treasonous President. At some point, Trump is going down.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-30 09:13 AM | Reply

"at FBI and DOJ for abuse of power"

DARVO at its worst. Roy Cohn would be proud.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-30 10:17 AM | Reply

Fishypaws is a Russian bot.

#26 | Posted by aborted_monson

It is more likely that Fishpoo is an unpaid Russian tool.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-30 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If walking in on minors while they are changing, bragging about sexual assault, and allegations of rampant infidelity and debauchery haven't been enough to have Trump impeached...I doubt acting like a politician will either.

#33 | Posted by gavaster at 2018-01-30 04:23 PM | Reply

People, please. Trump will serve the entirety of his first term, and then he will be elected to a third term. He will then cause the repeal of the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution. Actuarial tables indicate I will likely be dead within ten to twenty years. I worry for my kids, though, and I hope they decide to GTFO to another country before the end of the USA.

#34 | Posted by john47 at 2018-01-31 08:11 AM | Reply

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