Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, January 29, 2018

Hillary Clinton made a surprise appearance on Sunday night in a Grammy Awards comedy bit that took a jab at President Trump. The former presidential candidate, along with Cher, Snoop Dogg, Cardi B, John Legend and DJ Khaled were among those who read excerpts from Michael Wolff's Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, the hit book about Trump's first year in the White House. The bit shows Grammy host James Corden holding auditions for the book reading in hopes of nabbing next year's best spoken word album with famous musicians trying out for the coveted role. Clinton's face was covered by the book when she first appeared on screen in the pre-taped sketch, but the crowd cheered when she lowered the book to reveal her face. Clinton read the famous line about Trump's love for fast food: "He had a longtime fear of being poisoned. One reason why he liked to eat at McDonalds. No one knew he was coming and the food was safely pre-made."

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The sketch has already drawn the ire of at least one prominent White House figure. US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley fired off a tweet on Sunday night shortly after the bit aired.

Haley took to the radio waves on Thursday to say that a rumor sparked by the book is "absolutely not true," referring to a detail in Fire and Fury that alleges that she carried on an affair with President Trump.

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The arrogant have to entertain themselves by degrading someone else, cause they can't possibly look in the mirror.

#1 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-29 12:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

The arrogant have to entertain themselves by degrading someone else, cause they can't possibly look in the mirror.
#1 | POSTED BY CRASSUS AT 2018-01-29 12:10 AM | FLAG:

Are you looking in a mirror?

#2 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-29 12:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Traitor tears are delicious.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-29 12:38 AM | Reply

Cher needs to read her excerpt with 'Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" as background muzak.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-29 07:01 AM | Reply

This was the funniest comedic bit on the show. They tried another where James Corden, Sting and Shaggy fail to create a viral moment on a New York subway but it dragged.

Hillary's reveal was funny, but Snoop and Cardi B were the best parts. I only learned who she was a couple days ago, but she's amusingly crass and the "Finesse" video is a great recreation of 1990s In Living Color.

The arrogant have to entertain themselves by degrading someone else, cause they can't possibly look in the mirror.

This is a well-written, one-sentence psychoanalysis of Trump. That you don't recognize this is more hilarious than the Fire and Fury bit.

Trump once told a biographer, "I don't like to analyze myself because I might not like what I see."

#6 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 08:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

I notice Crassus is first poster on any thread where Trump is being riduculed. So sad for him, how do you defend such a pompous ass like Trump? He is a charicature of himself.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-29 08:52 AM | Reply

Bad music and bad comedy. No wonder the ratings were at an all time low. But glad you haters enjoyed yourselves while everyone else had a life.

#8 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 09:48 AM | Reply

"But glad you haters enjoyed yourselves while everyone else had a life."

Who are you kidding? YOu have a life? Riiight!!!!

#9 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-29 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bad music and bad comedy. No wonder the ratings were at an all time low. But glad you haters enjoyed yourselves while everyone else had a life.

#8 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Apparently not only did you watch at least some of it, but you took the time to check out the ratings.

How sad and pathetic is your life?

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-29 09:58 AM | Reply

I stopped watching the grammy's since...I grew up..

The only ones watching the Grammys are shallow liberals and progressives getting together in a group think tank..

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-29 10:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

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"Its interesting, today its Hollywood is about applause for political positions. Remember when comedy was about spontaneous laughter, and movies were riveting because their suspension of disbelief ....." - #12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-01-29 10:33 AM

Movies?

You do realize that this thread is about the Grammy Awards, not the Oscars... right?

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 10:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

The only ones watching the Grammys are shallow liberals and progressives getting together in a group think tank..

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-29 10:04 AM | Reply

Nobody asked for your shallow opinion.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-29 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

""Its interesting, today its Hollywood is about applause for political positions. Remember when comedy was about spontaneous laughter, and movies were riveting because their suspension of disbelief ....."

Politics has always been a source for comedy. Movies have always been used for social commentary, where have you been?

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-29 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"...stuff like this to be her legacy." - #15 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 10:51 AM

Let's see:

✔ First lady of Arkansas
✔ First Lady of the USA
✔ US Senator
✔ US Secretary of State
✔ First female nominee for president of a major political party
✔ Received 3rd highest popular vote total in US history
Versus...
✘ Few minute cameo on a televised awards show
Your legacy meter needs tuning.

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:03 AM | Reply

"If Hillary wanted to, she could have run for her Senate seat again, or done anything where she could've made an actual impact. But instead she chose stuff like this to be her legacy."

She likes to be funny. Too bad Republicans don't have a sense of humor.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-29 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

✔ Lost the election to Donald Trump
✔ Spent final years in his orange shadow

#21 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:04 AM | Reply

"Spent final years in his orange shadow" - #21 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:04 AM

We're all, unfortunately, living in the orange shadow.

Besides, you said "...stuff like this to be her legacy."

Short term memory issues?

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:07 AM | Reply

"We're all, unfortunately, living in the orange shadow."

I'm not.

#23 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:08 AM | Reply

Lowest ratings ever for this political rally masquerading as a music awards show.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-29 11:12 AM | Reply

"Lost the election to Donald Trump" - #21 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:04 AM

Without the use of the Googles you would probably not be able to name the Democratic candidate who lost to William McKinley in 1896.

But that wasn't William Jennings Bryan's legacy.

As I said, your legacy meter needs tuning.

#25 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:12 AM | Reply

"...stuff like this to be her legacy." - #15 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 10:51 AM
Let's see:

✔ First lady of Arkansas
✔ First Lady of the USA
✔ US Senator
✔ US Secretary of State
✔ First female nominee for president of a major political party
✔ Received 3rd highest popular vote total in US history
Versus...
✘ Few minute cameo on a televised awards show
Your legacy meter needs tuning.
#19 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-29 11:03 AM | FLAG:

You forgot the big one

Such a loser that even Donald Trump beat her.

#26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm not." - #23 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:08 AM

Even citizens of other countries are living in the orange shadow.

I doubt seriously you're from Uranus.

But there is reason for some to believe that.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:14 AM | Reply

"Such a loser that even Donald Trump beat her." - #26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 11:12 AM

Still, she received 3,000,000 more votes than President IQ45.

#28 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Still, she received 3,000,000 more votes than President IQ45."

And yet you still can't figure out why she lost.

#29 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"And yet you still can't figure out why she lost." - #29 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:31 AM

Did I say she won?

Your reading and reading comprehension, like your legacy meter, needs tuning.

#30 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But that wasn't William Jennings Bryan's legacy"

His legacy was that of a nominated but failed presidential candidate (x3). But at least he didn't lose to Donald Trump.

#31 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:42 AM | Reply

"His legacy was that of a nominated but failed presidential candidate (x3)." - #31 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:42 AM

And he was a US Secretary of State.

And a US Congressman.

And he was the youngest presidential nominee of a major party in American history.

Yep: Your legacy meter needs tuning.

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:46 AM | Reply

"You're deflecting from the fact she lost to Donald Trump." - #32 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:44 AM

Apparently, my usage of the term "President IQ45" is over your intelligence level.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:47 AM | Reply

#33, did you know all that without having to look it up? If so, then you're definitely an odd duck. The majority of people 100 years ago would've remembered him as a thrice failed presidential candidate, if they remembered him at all.

#35 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:51 AM | Reply

#34 is too far below my intelligence level. Want to try again to communicate what you're trying to say and how it's relevant to what you're responding to?

#36 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:54 AM | Reply

"The majority of people 100 years ago would've remembered him as a thrice failed presidential candidate..." - #35 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:51 AM

A source-less factoid.

#37 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:58 AM | Reply

"#34 is too far below my intelligence level." - #36 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 11:54 AM

A self-retorting retort.

If you were smart enough it would have been obvious.

Noted.

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 11:59 AM | Reply

"Such a loser that even Donald Trump beat her." - #26 | Posted by fishpaw

I do love how he is destroying the party so badly that a Democrat can win even in Alabama.

Thank you, Republicans.

#39 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-29 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bad music and bad comedy.

There was some great music performed at the Grammys, grandpa. Bruno Mars and Cardi B on Finesse, Kesha on Praying and Childish Gambino on Terrified in particular. Donald Glover (Gambino) sounds like a reincarnated soul giant from the 1970s.

Ben Platt and Patti LuPone from Broadway were good, too, if you don't mind that stagey stuff at the Grammys.

There were some clunkers too. I never want to hear that version of "Tears in Heaven" again. It was brutal.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Lowest ratings ever for this political rally masquerading as a music awards show.

Another geriatric who shows by his comment that he didn't watch the thing he is condemning.

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 12:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Such a loser that even Donald Trump beat her." - #26 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 11:12 AM
Still, she received 3,000,000 more votes than President IQ45.

#28 | POSTED BY HANS AT 2018-01-29 11:15 AM | FLAG:

Maybe she and you needed to figure out that sheer volume wouldn't work in this one. But as I said someone that lost to Trump can't be that bright.

#42 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 12:24 PM | Reply

Way to insult a sizeable portion of your viewing audience.

There is no way any award show would have people read excerpts from a hit piece about Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. Maybe next year they can read excerpts from The Family. The Real Story Behind the Bush Dynasty.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 12:24 PM | Reply

"Maybe she and you needed to figure out that sheer volume wouldn't work in this one." - #42 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-01-29 12:24 PM

And maybe you need to figure out that sheer volume represents what the majority of voters wanted.

"But as I said someone that lost to Trump..."

And still managed to get 3,000,000 more popular votes than President IQ45.

#44 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 12:27 PM | Reply

Is DJ Khaled a self-aware joke of the state of pop-music? That has to be it. That's the only way he can be famous.

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-29 12:33 PM | Reply

"A self-retorting retort."

If you think that then you're IQ isn't that high. But then we already knew that to begin with.

#46 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:46 PM | Reply

your, not you're, idiot

#47 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

^^^ self-retorting retort

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"If you think that then you're IQ isn't that high." - #46 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:46 PM

"If you think that then you are IQ isn't that high?"

No need to make this stuff up.

They willingly volunteer it.

Oh, and another self-retorting retort ("...you're IQ isn't that high...")

Imagine what you could do with just a little education.

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 12:51 PM | Reply

Is DJ Khaled a self-aware joke of the state of pop-music?

I'm mystified by his success as well. There is no song ever recorded that is made better by a hype man yelling "put your hands up" and his own name at random spots.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 12:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#49 just showed he's even slower than I am.

#51 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:52 PM | Reply

Translation guide for republicanese

"Worst ratings ever" = I personally didn't agree with the political stance
"nobody was there" = no knuckle dragging Trump fluffers were there
"faith based" = we hate facts
"fake news" = yep we still hate facts
"fake book" = we really hate it when the facts are about us
"no collusion" = see faith based

#52 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"#49 just showed..." - #51 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 12:52 PM

...that typing and proofing 43 words in a single post takes a few moments longer than 7 words in 2 posts.

#53 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 12:57 PM | Reply

I'm mystified by his success as well. There is no song ever recorded that is made better by a hype man yelling "put your hands up" and his own name at random spots.

#50 | POSTED BY RCADE

Exactly. I thought he was just some musician I didn't get but hearing him insert himself into Fire and Fury and then exclaim he will "finally earn a Grammy" makes me think the guy is making fun of the other one-trick "singers".

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-29 01:03 PM | Reply

--"Worst ratings ever" = I personally didn't agree with the political stance

Why should the Grammys take a political stance? Isn't it supposed to be a music awards show?

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-29 01:06 PM | Reply

I've always hated these awards shows, so this kind of thing doesn't turn me off.

My wife on the other hand....she used to really like watching these shows, especially the Emmy's and Golden Globe. Their self-righteous virtue-signaling and insertion of left-wing politics in these shows has so turned her off that she doesn't watch them any more.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 01:19 PM | Reply

#55 |

www.youtube.com

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-29 01:20 PM | Reply

"but the crowd cheered when she lowered the book"

Which is all the explanation needed for why they did it.

And because most Americans know that now that their President is a joke... a bad joke on the country.

#58 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-29 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My wife on the other hand....she used to really like watching these shows, especially the Emmy's and Golden Globe. Their self-righteous virtue-signaling and insertion of left-wing politics in these shows has so turned her off that she doesn't watch them any more.

Your wife cheated herself out of an awards show last night that was only 10% political, at most, and in those political moments was sometimes about things outside right-vs-left like suicide prevention and fighting sexual abuse.

The Grammys aren't like most award shows. They have only a few speeches and devote the bulk of the four hours to live musical performances. There isn't much time for people to get up on soapboxes.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Their self-righteous virtue-signaling and insertion of left-wing politics in these shows has so turned her off that she doesn't watch them any more. "

Maybe she'd prefer the Trump Fake News Awards.
No virtue signaling there.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 01:40 PM | Reply

--"Worst ratings ever" = I personally didn't agree with the political stance
Why should the Grammys take a political stance? Isn't it supposed to be a music awards show?

#55 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-01-29 01:06 PM | REPLY

People have political views. The only way to make a show without political views is to make a show without people.

Music has especially always been political. Other than bubblegum pop music is all about politics.

"Musical innovation is full of danger to the State, for when modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the State always change with them."
― Plato, The Republic

www.rollingstone.com

Funny I didn't hear nulli complain when the music was uncle Ted or kid rock. He only complains when the politics are not HIS politics

#61 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Music has especially always been political.

I know when listening to music from the sixties, a lot of it is anti the Vietnam war, and anti war in general.

Art reflects reality. The current reality of America is very political.

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-29 01:58 PM | Reply

If preacher are allowed and, in some cases, encouraged to weigh in on political issues, why shouldn't artists be?

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-29 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Their self-righteous virtue-signaling and insertion of left-wing politics in these shows

Perhaps the problem is conservative suck at writing music.

Stop being such a melodramatic cry baby.

#64 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-29 02:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Their self-righteous virtue-signaling and insertion of left-wing politics in these shows"

Like when they added the national anthem to NFL games,
That kind of self-righteous virtue signaling and insertion of right-wing politics?

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Perhaps the problem is conservative suck at writing music.
Stop being such a melodramatic cry baby.

#64 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

It has nothing to do with music. These awards shows drove my wife away as a viewer with their over-the-top left-wing politics.

Like when they added the national anthem to NFL games,
That kind of self-righteous virtue signaling and insertion of right-wing politics?

#65 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I didn't realize the national anthem was right-wing. I kind of thought it was apolitical.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 02:10 PM | Reply

--Funny I didn't hear nulli complain when the music was uncle Ted or kid rock.

I haven't watched those smug, self-congratulatory, self-love fests for decades. There's much better content on tv, if you must watch tv, like Columbo nailing some pretentious Hollywood smuggle.

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-29 02:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If preacher are allowed and, in some cases, encouraged to weigh in on political issues, why shouldn't artists be?

#63 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Nobody is saying they shouldn't be allowed to weigh in on political issues. When they do, they risk alienating a significant segment of their fan base.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 02:11 PM | Reply

#68 True, anyone in the public eye who takes a political stance runs this risk be they preacher, ball player, musician, actor.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-29 02:16 PM | Reply

Nobody is saying they shouldn't be allowed to weigh in on political issues. When they do, they risk alienating a significant segment of their fan base.

#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-29 02:11 PM | REPLY

No they don't. It's the Grammy's not the CMAs.

#70 | Posted by Reagan58 at 2018-01-29 02:16 PM | Reply

"When they do, they risk alienating a significant segment of their fan base."

So long, snowflakes!

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 02:17 PM | Reply

When they do, they risk alienating a significant segment of their fan base.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ

Then be like Nulli and don't watch them.

Go watch some reruns of Columbo and the Dukes of Hazard.

#72 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-29 02:18 PM | Reply

I've never been into the Grammys. It is a bunch of music industry executives and stars patting themselves on the back. On the other hand, if they are gonna take time out to hilariously dump on the clown in the White House maybe I will check it out next year. I could not care less about who actually wins a grammy.

#73 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-29 02:18 PM | Reply

Then be like Nulli and don't watch them.

#72 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

I don't watch them and politics has nothing to do with it.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 02:23 PM | Reply

"Isn't it supposed to be a music awards show?"

Why then did they have an entire segment on something which had nothing to do with music? Did they confuse Hillary Clinton with Hillary Duff?

#75 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 02:26 PM | Reply

"No they don't. It's the Grammy's not the CMAs."
"So long, snowflakes!"
"Go watch some reruns of Columbo and the Dukes of Hazard."

These are great campaign slogans. I'm sure they'll work as great as the ones last time around.

#76 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-29 02:29 PM | Reply

"I didn't realize the national anthem was right-wing. I kind of thought it was apolitical." - #66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 02:10 PM

I put adding the national anthem to football games into the same category as adding "under God" to the Pledge.

#77 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- some pretentious Hollywood smuggle.

lol.... it's always gotta be all about you, right?

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-29 02:29 PM | Reply

I didn't realize the national anthem was right-wing. I kind of thought it was apolitical.

The NFL started putting players on the field during the National Anthem as part of a paid PR campaign developed with the U.S. military to increase public support and recruitment. The NFL took millions of dollars for this. Games included many halftime events to support the military and honor troops. Numerous commercials encouraged volunteers to enlist.

The anthem isn't apolitical when it's used like that.

The way Trump uses the anthem to denigrate black athletes isn't apolitical either.

#79 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I didn't realize the national anthem was right-wing. I kind of thought it was apolitical."

Two things.
1. You don't see how the anthem being used to advertise for the military is right-wing?

2. How would a country's national anthem be apolitical in any regard?
Seems like, by definition, the anthem symbolizes of the political entity known as the nation.
Maybe you could say what the anthem means to you, and how it does so in a non-political fashion.
Thanks.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 02:47 PM | Reply

"adding "under God" to the Pledge."

Great, now we need to find out if JeffJ can tell if that's political or not.
(Spoiler alert: He can't quite see it.)

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 02:48 PM | Reply

Most upvoted comment on reddit about the 20% ratings drop article on its front page:

"Perhaps an awards show honoring music made mostly for teenagers won't do well when presented in a format ignored almost entirely by teenagers (broadcast tv)."

Probably right.

#82 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-29 03:00 PM | Reply

I'd say adding "under God" was religious.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 03:07 PM | Reply

Seems like, by definition, the anthem symbolizes of the political entity known as the nation.

Yes. "Apolitical" was an inaccurate word. However, I don't see the anthem as being right or left wing.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 03:08 PM | Reply

"I'd say adding "under God" was religious." - #83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-29 03:07 PM

Here's the basis for what I posted:

Even though the movement behind inserting "under God" into the pledge might have been initiated by a private religious fraternity and even though references to God appear in previous versions of the pledge, author Kevin Kruse asserts that this movement was an effort by corporate America to instill in the minds of the people that capitalism and free enterprise were heavenly blessed. Kruse acknowledges the insertion of the phrase was influenced by the push-back against atheistic communism during the Cold War, but argues the longer arc of history shows the conflation of Christianity and capitalism as a challenge to the New Deal played the larger role.

source

Dovetails nicely with RCade's #79:
The NFL started putting players on the field during the National Anthem as part of a paid PR campaign developed with the U.S. military to increase public support and recruitment. The NFL took millions of dollars for this. Games included many halftime events to support the military and honor troops. Numerous commercials encouraged volunteers to enlist.

The anthem isn't apolitical when it's used like that.

#85 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-29 03:13 PM | Reply

"Perhaps an awards show honoring music made mostly for teenagers won't do well when presented in a format ignored almost entirely by teenagers (broadcast tv)."

Ignoring the live broadcast doesn't mean ignoring it entirely. Social media was hopping all night long with Grammys conversation and a lot of those people are young adults and teens.

How many millions more will see clips from the Grammys on social media? I don't watch the VMAs but I check out the goofy and offensive highlights when they go viral.

#86 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 03:22 PM | Reply

However, I don't see the anthem as being right or left wing.

Viewed on their own, none of the trappings of our patriotism -- pledge, flag, anthem -- have political leanings.

But they are often co-opted for some other cause, like how Trump started bashing pro athletes over the anthem. The protests were dying down before he made them an issue so he could bash mostly black athletes to throw red meat to his white conservative base.

#87 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7 | POSTED BY DANNI AT

The National won a Grammy.

I bet they were sleep walking and also that the crowd fell asleep while they accepted it,,, while sleeping.

#88 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-29 03:59 PM | Reply

I'm just not into awards shows. I'm not saying I'm above such tripe (I watch survivor and big brother), they just aren't my thing.

#89 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-01-29 04:01 PM | Reply

I'm just not into awards shows.

#89 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

Yeah, I didn't watch that **** either.

#90 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-29 04:14 PM | Reply

"I'd say adding "under God" was religious.
#83 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

I was right!
JeffJ can't see how it's political.
LOL dude.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 04:37 PM | Reply

How many millions more will see clips from the Grammys on social media?

#86 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2018-01-29 03:22 PM | FLAG:

So what? The Grammys are built as a broadcast TV vehicle to sell advertisements. Watching clips online takes the advertising revenue from the broadcaster and moves it to social media platforms. The network can and does fight back with DMCA notices but that the damage is already long done at that point.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-29 04:46 PM | Reply

Do you think military flyovers at sporting events are free or without purpose?

Taxpayer funded advertising.

$450,000 for the superbowl flyover in 2011 (4 F-18s) with the roof closed lol

www.huffingtonpost.com

#93 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 05:27 PM | Reply

--Funny I didn't hear nulli complain when the music was uncle Ted or kid rock.
I haven't watched those smug, self-congratulatory, self-love fests for decades. There's much better content on tv, if you must watch tv, like Columbo nailing some pretentious Hollywood smuggle.

#67 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-01-29 02:10 PM | REPLY

So you don't watch any of them but you only felt compelled to whine when the political discourse was left leaning.

#94 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 05:31 PM | Reply

Watching clips online takes the advertising revenue from the broadcaster and moves it to social media platforms.

It's not that simple. A lot of music videos make money for the producer when they go viral. There are detection algorithms on YouTube and other places that generate revenue for the copyright owner.

#95 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-29 05:48 PM | Reply

I'd say adding "under God" was religious.

#83 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-29 03:07 PM | REPLY

It was not religious it was political. It was added in the 50's and was meant to out "godless" commies

#96 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 06:01 PM | Reply

"The Grammys are built as a broadcast TV vehicle to sell advertisements."

Also to sell music, and the movies that have the music in them, etc.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-29 07:35 PM | Reply

It's not that simple. A lot of music videos make money for the producer when they go viral. There are detection algorithms on YouTube and other places that generate revenue for the copyright owner.

#95 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2018-01-29 05:48 PM | REPLY

Those are both pretty simple. You can force a video, and associated artist, to go viral. Justin Beiber's manager is a master at it. He controls the social media for multiple artists across a broad spectrum of consumers and makes it appear organic when it's entirely contrived, and it pops in front of hundreds of millions of people. He's not the only one that can do that. There's also a pretty big piracy industry designed to circumvent that AI. The real wildcard is network streaming, might be good. Initial word was CBS All Access isn't quite as popular as they were hoping despite special editions of Big Brother and the new Star Trek.

#98 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-29 08:07 PM | Reply

"Keep your politics out of music/sports/whatever" is pretty much white people speak for "I want to personally benefit from your experiences and never have to consider the ****** circumstances behind how you got them."

#99 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-29 08:09 PM | Reply

To be willing to draw a line in the sand and offend half of the country, the music industry must be getting desperate.

The extreme nature of the Grammys was quite unbelievable.

#100 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-29 10:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The extreme nature of the Grammys was quite unbelievable.

#100 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2018-01-29 10:35 PM | REPLY

What was wrong with anything they did?

Please tell us how #metoo is extreme and should be opposed

#101 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-29 11:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nothing they did would offend normal humans. Just neonazis and misogynist pricks

#102 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-30 12:23 AM | Reply

Just neonazis and misogynist pricks

You just described the average Trumpublican.

#103 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-30 01:00 AM | Reply

Hat,

Typical tactic of manipulative people.

Since I believe the political BS ruined the show, that means I don't support women.

#104 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-30 08:23 AM | Reply

Since I believe the political BS ruined the show, that means I don't support women.

#104 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2018-01-30 08:23 AM | REPLY

No since you believe #metoo is political bullshit you are a mysoginist

#105 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-30 08:57 AM | Reply

'"Keep your politics out of music/sports/whatever" is pretty much white people speak'
"Nothing they did would offend normal humans. Just neonazis and misogynist pricks"

Keep those campaign slogans coming. You're on a winning streak!

#106 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-30 08:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The extreme nature of the Grammys was quite unbelievable.

#100 | Posted by BillJohnson

What do you think they are responding to?

Do you live in a cave?

Have you not seen the extreme nature of Humpy Trumpy and the Republican party lately?

#107 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-30 04:48 PM | Reply

The extreme nature of the Grammys was quite unbelievable.

I challenge you to prove you saw the broadcast and identify anything that was extreme.

If you're going to say this skit was extreme, get real. It was tamer than an SNL skit and a lot of the humor was more about the musician's personality than it was Trump.

#108 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-30 04:58 PM | Reply

The extreme nature of the Grammys was quite unbelievable.
#100 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON

I challenge you to prove you saw the broadcast and identify anything that was extreme.
If you're going to say this skit was extreme, get real. It was tamer than an SNL skit and a lot of the humor was more about the musician's personality than it was Trump.
#108 | POSTED BY RCADE

You know darn well he didn't watch it. He is only spouting off what he heard on Fox & Friends.

#109 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-30 05:03 PM | Reply

Sycophant,

I avoid Fox and Friends just like I avoid CNN.

Rcade,

Does anyone have any idea why Hillary "The Enabler" Clinton was there?

I thought the show was about music?

#110 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-31 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rcade,

SNL has been rubbing me the wrong way too the last year or 2.

But I will say this season has been a little better now with the election over and we don't have to watch any more cocky Clinton routines.

#111 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-31 07:49 PM | Reply

Does anyone have any idea why Hillary "The Enabler" Clinton was there?

She wasn't.

#112 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 07:49 PM | Reply

Redial,

You know what I mean. Part of the show.

I mean...she's starting to have Sarah Palin syndrome.

#113 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-31 07:53 PM | Reply

You know what I mean. Part of the show.

My guess is the writers thought the audience would like it, and she was willing to do it.

#114 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 07:57 PM | Reply

Redial,

The Grammys's this year had a 24% drop in viewership from last year.

That's 1 out of 4 people didn't watch who watched last year.

Next year they might want to try a different approach.

The award shows need to stop trying to appeal to a political base and just entertain people.

#115 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-31 08:04 PM | Reply

Awards shows in general are dying. Too long, too dull.

#116 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 08:18 PM | Reply

Oh, and too many of them.

#117 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 08:20 PM | Reply

Redial,

I DVR and scan through them until I see something that interests me.

Doesn't take long.

Rcade, you got me. I mostly read about it this year.

Reading a book making fun of the President was extreme.

I wonder what people in the country music genre thought of it?

#118 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2018-01-31 09:43 PM | Reply

#118

The country benefits from any effort that seeks to hamstring Trump in advance of the Constitutional crisis he's two steps from creating.

#119 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-31 09:51 PM | Reply

All of us need to use our rights to speak freely now to make Trump's coup less likely later.

#120 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-31 09:52 PM | Reply

I wonder what people in the country music genre thought of it?

Don't they have their own awards show?

#121 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-31 10:07 PM | Reply

--Don't they have their own awards show?

Everyone has their own awards show. The chauffeurs for limousine liberals have their own award show.

#122 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-31 10:24 PM | Reply

The chauffeurs for limousine liberals have their own award show.
#122 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Yeah, it's called the Limousine & Sedan Chauffeur of the Year by the Taxicab, Limousine & Paratransit Association (TLPA).

I invoke the Nelson Law: "If you've thought of it, it probably already exists. You don't believe me? Look it up on the internet." (Circa 2002)

#123 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-31 10:29 PM | Reply

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