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Saturday, January 27, 2018

The Saphir, a French nuclear attack submarine, reportedly penetrated the defenses of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and scored simulated torpedo hits on her. The incident, originally reported by the French Navy, was later suppressed. ... According to U.S. Naval Institute News, Carrier Strike Group 12 (CSG 12) departed Naval Station Norfolk and Naval Station Mayport on March 5 for a Middle East deployment. CSG 12 included the carrier Roosevelt, the Ticonderoga-class cruiser USS Normandy and Arleigh Burke class destroyers Winston S. Churchill, Forrest Sherman, and Farragut from Destroyer Squadron 2 provided escort.

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The blog post explained that the predeployment exercise, which occurred off the coast of Florida, took place in two phases. The first phase involved the Saphir integrated with U.S. Navy forces to locate enemy submarines and pass data on to other friendly anti-submarine warfare assets. The "enemy submarine" in this case may have been the Los Angeles-class nuclear submarine attached to CSG 12.

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I read the article and now I know no more than before I read it.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 12:18 PM | Reply

Having participated in exercises like this, what is interesting to me is that the Saphir was teamed with P-3 and P-8 maritime surveillance planes who reported the Teddy's position to the sub, which probably maneuvered into the CAG's path and then went "dead" silent, just barely maintaining buoyancy and hoping that it would not be detected by passive sensors (the CAG wouldn't use active sonar until it confirmed a subs presence. Once it got through the screen, it opened "fire" Now the Saphir only has 4 torpedoes and could, at best, maybe sink an escort (no way it sinks the Teddy with 4 500lb F17s.

As the article notes, we don't know the ROE for the exercise and obviously we weren't going to shoot down our own planes, but I am sure a few Captains and Commanders got an earful when this happened.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-26 01:35 PM | Reply

These types of exercises are good. Training is always good.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#3

Exactly, failure is the best way of finding out what is wrong, which is why they do these kinds of exercises. Looking at it from the French standpoint, this was a great lesson in how to evade detection from the most advanced military in the world. Our "enemies" don't have the tech that we do so this would be easier if this was a Russian/Iranian/Chinese fleet.

Someone still got their --- chewed over this, hopefully it wasn't the swabbies handling the equipment but their superior officers.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-26 01:53 PM | Reply

Us carrier sailors knew we were targets. Best kept secret: Once you finish launching aircraft, you become secondary to the mission.

#5 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-01-26 04:36 PM | Reply

#5

Why do you think us pilots were so eager to get in the air?

We wanted to make sure that you swabbies were safe for a while.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-26 06:05 PM | Reply

My point being, the airwing could have already launched to reduce to ruble or make glow in the dark some lat/Long.. The Carrier is important but it has completed its mission. To us that got a up close and personal look at things (ships company), we knew exactly where we stood.

The mission is paramount.

#7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-01-26 11:45 PM | Reply

The mission is paramount.

Carrier survival depends on whether recovering the aircraft is part of the mission, no?

Sometimes it is, sometimes not.

#8 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-27 12:02 AM | Reply

Beat by the French? SAD!
I want my tax dollars back.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-27 12:18 AM | Reply

Not the first time the Navy was slaughtered in exercises, won't be the last.

At least they can't fire the French skipper.

#10 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-27 08:17 AM | Reply

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How did the sub sink a sub in the headline? No more carrier?

#11 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-27 11:43 PM | Reply

Executive level headline modification, I suppose.

#12 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-28 12:00 AM | Reply

"I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation. Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. I am not proud of the part I played in it. I did it because it was necessary for the safety of this country. That's why I am such a great exponent of stopping this whole nonsense of war. Unfortunately limits, attempts to limit war have always failed. The lesson of history is when a war starts every nation will ultimately use whatever weapon it has available. ... Every time you produce radiation, you produce something that has a certain half-life, in some cases for billions of years. ... It is important that we control these forces and try to eliminate them." (Economics of Defense Policy: Admiral Rickover before the Joint Economic Committee, Congress of the United States, 1982)

#13 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-28 07:11 AM | Reply

One good thing about Trump's America ... it makes traditionally incompetent places like France and N. Korea seem competent by comparison.

#14 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-28 08:03 AM | Reply

#14

Ignorance suits you. This French sub was assisted by reconnaissance planes and most likely sat just below the thermocline, which made its detection by passive sensors extremely difficult. This is exactly why they do these exercises, to train sailors and pilots in how to detect fleets, subs, etc.

This time the French Sub, with US air assistance, won. Good for them.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-28 12:19 PM | Reply

In the minds of Americans, we are invincible. This kind of goes against that.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-28 07:27 PM | Reply

#14kudzu & #15 Rightocenter
More importantly, it happened in 2015. It was Obama's America that you say made 'traditionally incompetent places like France and N. Korea seem competent by comparison.'

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-29 08:06 AM | Reply

"More importantly, it happened in 2015. It was Obama's America that you say made 'traditionally incompetent places like France and N. Korea seem competent by comparison.'"

Aw man, you ruined it. Some of the best times of proving how ridiculous partisan people are is by watching them squirm when the truth hits them in the face and their negative behavior is actually targeted at the side they agree with. This could have been a lot funner by egging them on and waiting until the plethora of Liberals on this site go nuts about how bad this looks on Trump and then exposing them as headline readers.

#18 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-29 12:35 PM | Reply

An aircraft carrier is big, noisy, and very hard to hide. Pretty much everyone on the planet knows where they're at. The sub is very hard to find. Remember when a Chinese sub surface in the middle of one of our carrier battle groups? Maybe this is why most countries don't build them.

#19 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-01-29 04:57 PM | Reply

Maybe this is why most countries don't build them.
#19 | POSTED BY SOMEBODYELSE

Yea, the economics and logistics of supporting a carrier battlegroup are immense - as large as the gdp of some impoverished nations.

#20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-29 05:32 PM | Reply

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