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Friday, January 26, 2018

It's the summer of 2014. A hacker from the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD has penetrated the computer network of a university building next to the Red Square in Moscow, oblivious to the implications. One year later, from the AIVD headquarters in Zoetermeer, he and his colleagues witness Russian hackers launching an attack on the Democratic Party in the United States. The AIVD hackers had not infiltrated just any building; they were in the computer network of the infamous Russian hacker group Cozy Bear. And unbeknownst to the Russians, they could see everything. That's how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won't be the last time they alert their American counterparts.

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And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

The Dutch access provides crucial evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democratic Party, according to six American and Dutch sources who are familiar with the material, but wish to remain anonymous. It's also grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of the Russian interference on the election race between the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and the Republican candidate Donald Trump.

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Here's the story from Reuters:

Dutch intelligence agency spied on Russian hacking group

www.reuters.com

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 08:52 PM | Reply

This isn't the first time Dutch intel has been mentioned in relationship to Trump-Russia:

Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking

In the Obama administration's last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election -- and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians -- across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn't duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.

American allies, including the British and the Dutch, had provided information describing meetings in European cities between Russian officials -- and others close to Russia's president, Vladimir V. Putin -- and associates of President-elect Trump, according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence.

www.nytimes.com

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious "interactions" between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.
Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump's inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the "Five Eyes" spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

www.theguardian.com

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 09:00 PM | Reply

Story picked up by the Sydney Morning Herald:

Dutch took pictures of Russian hackers of US Democrats

www.smh.com.au

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But Trump supporters don't care, they hate America and are fine with Russian hackers doing whatever Russian hackers want to do as long as the protect Trump even though they have plenty of information which could destroy him. As long as he obeys Putin it will remain secret. Trump is owned by Putin and we all know it, how long can we allow this to continue?

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Short video version for those who don't like to read:

Dutch secret service provided crucial intelligence on Russian interference with American elections

www.youtube.com

#5 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-26 11:37 AM | Reply

Here's the part of the story Republicans, who want to claim the Steele Dossier was mainly behind the investigation into Trump-Russia, won't like:

The technical evidence that the AIVD and the Netherlands's MIVD, or Military Intelligence and Security Service, passed to the FBI is described as "crucial" in providing the grounds for the bureau's probe into Russia's election meddling, though it is unclear what it entailed. Former FBI Director James Comey has confirmed that the investigation started in July 2016.

thehill.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-26 12:16 PM | Reply

Short video version for those who don't like to read:
Dutch secret service provided crucial intelligence on Russian interference with American elections
www.youtube.com

#5 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Didn't happen.

-DR Conservatives

#7 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-26 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What did Obama do with this info:

Dutch Report Reveals Obama Administration Knew About Russian Hacking in Real Time

This means that top-secret Washington possessed a detailed understanding of Kremlin hacks of our country as they happened. Why the Obama administration did so little to counter these nefarious activities -- a troubling question that has lingered as the extent of Russian espionage against our 2016 election has come into clearer focus -- now must be answered if we hope to avert future Kremlin hacks of our democracy.

observer.com

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-26 01:57 PM | Reply

Obama went to McConnel and Ryan with the info and asked for a joint response. They told him that if he did attempt to go public they would raise a stink about him trying to influence the election in Hillary's favor. Traitors. They care about nothing except winning.

#9 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-01-26 03:58 PM | Reply

Short video version for those who don't like to read:
Dutch secret service provided crucial intelligence on Russian interference with American elections
www.youtube.com

#5 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Didn't happen.

-DR Conservatives

#7 | Posted by Sycophant

Not True!

--Visiturd

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-26 05:07 PM | Reply

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Go back and read the contemporaneous reporting on the Russia/DNC hack connection BEFORE the 2016 election and you will find multiple references to multiple foreign intelligence services reporting their findings to US law enforcement and IC. Many stories were posted here on the Retort which were sometimes ignored and often times mocked by anti Clinton voices even at the time her election appeared to be a foregone conclusion. Many of us were sounding the alarm because it was obvious Russia - either through Trump's narcissistic myopia or criminal intent - was providing the stolen property's details through Wikileaks as Trump himself weaponized each and every one of them with hyperbolic glee to bludgeon the Clinton campaign into constantly reacting to this bombast and neutering any positive message Hillary was trying to promote.

Our nation was attacked and not only was the entire GOP complicit, they made the Faustian bargain to insure McConnell's unprecedented yet letter-legal obstruction of Garland Merrick would be rewarded as Trump finagled an Electoral College win while suffering the largest majority loss of any US President in history.

My only hope is that enough evidence emerges to bring RICO charges against the entire Republican Party and fundraising apparatus and relegating them to history's trash heap along with the Whigs and other relics of America's past. Conservatism will certainly carry on but it will have to be under new ownership and a completely different banner. Such should be the fate of any criminals trying to undermine the US Constitution and the spirit of comity which is the basis of representative democracy.

#11 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-01-26 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm surprised Holland has such an agency.

Clearly they know more than Trump wants to admit.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-26 07:46 PM | Reply

WaPo reporting today on this topic:

The Dutch were a secret U.S. ally in war against Russian hackers, local media reveal

The Dutch domestic intelligence service AIVD had access to the infamous Russian hacking group Cozy Bear for at least a year starting in mid-2014, local media outlets reported Thursday. According to the reports, the Dutch government alerted the United States to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after Netherlands-based officials watched the hacking of the Democratic National Committee and other operations by the Russians, including a 2014 State Department hack.

www.washingtonpost.com

Previous WaPo reporting (April, 2017) on the topic that did not name the Dutch Intelligence specifically:

The NSA was alerted to the compromises by a Western intelligence agency. The ally had managed to hack not only the Russians' computers, but also the surveillance cameras inside their workspace, according to the former officials. They monitored the hackers as they maneuvered inside the U.S. systems and as they walked in and out of the workspace, and were able to see faces, the officials said.

www.washingtonpost.com

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-26 07:56 PM | Reply

Trump bad Dems good DNC good
Washington (CNN)The Democratic National Committee "rebuffed" a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday.

#14 | Posted by VanDamage at 2018-01-27 11:34 PM | Reply

Re #14

So? She was just "fighting back". Or are only men allowed to "fight back"?

www.msnbc.com

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-28 01:08 AM | Reply

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