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Thursday, January 25, 2018

A tobacco product that its maker claims to be safer than cigarettes won qualified support from a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel Thursday. The advisers voted 8-1 to support cigarette giant Philip Morris' claim that its "iQOS" system "significantly reduces your body's exposure to harmful or potentially harmful chemicals." The device heats tobacco but doesn't ignite it. But on the question of whether that approach translates into a reduction in the risk for tobacco-related diseases, the panel said the tobacco company's studies didn't demonstrate that. The vote was eight against, with one abstention.

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Here is how Philip Morris currently describes the product: IQOS is our innovative tobacco heating system. It is the most advanced of our smoke-free products and over 3.7 million adult smokers have already quit smoking and switched to IQOS. Thanks to sophisticated electronics, IQOS heats specially designed heated tobacco units to up to 350C, without combustion, fire, ash, or smoke. This generates a flavorful nicotine-containing vapor, releasing the true taste of heated tobacco. Since there is no burning, the levels of harmful chemicals are significantly reduced compared to cigarette smoke.

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Their primary product is death. They should not be allowed to market tobacco at all. They are a criminal enterprise and the executives should be in prison. If this is allowed to happen then heroin dealers should be allowed to advertise on TV.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 08:21 AM | Reply

Their primary product is death. They should not be allowed to market tobacco at all. They are a criminal enterprise and the executives should be in prison. If this is allowed to happen then heroin dealers should be allowed to advertise on TV.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 08:21 AM | Reply

#1 same goes for alcohol companies too, right?

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 08:38 AM | Reply

How about car companies? They kill thousands every year.

#4 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-25 09:35 AM | Reply

...heroin dealers should be allowed to advertise on TV.

I agree.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-25 09:38 AM | Reply

"1 same goes for alcohol companies too, right?"

No, I love my scotch but I don't need to access it every hour or even every day. Moderation rules apply to most things but unfortunately not for addictive products like tobacco. Cigarette producers add chemicals to increase the addictive properties of tobacco.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 09:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Are you trying to say alcohol isn't addictive? That it doens't cause the death of millions each year?

#7 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 10:21 AM | Reply

I'm saying that alcohol isn't addiConflactive to me and most people I know who do drink alcohol while tobacco is addictive to virtually everyone who smokes it. Alcoholic beverages also can be very delicious while tobacco not so much. Those who find a need to conflate alcohol and tobacco are probably really trying to justify their continued use of tobacco.

#8 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 10:46 AM | Reply

"I'm saying that alcohol isn't addiConflactive"

I absolutely did not type that. I have no idea what addiConflactive even means. What happened here?

#9 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 10:57 AM | Reply

That is a truly asinine statement. Since you implied that I'm some how trying to justify tobacco use, I did smoke at one point but I have been quit for many years now. Can you put down the bottle? It is killing you slowly.

#10 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 11:00 AM | Reply

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As for conflating alcohol with tobacco it's no more of a leap than you conflating it with heroin.

#11 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"As for conflating alcohol with tobacco it's no more of a leap than you conflating it with heroin."

Then why don't you go get prohibition passed again and see how that works out.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 12:38 PM | Reply

You just called for tobacco company execs to be thrown in jail for selling a deadly and addictive product. Your cognitive dissonance from this topic must be overwhelming.

No one wants prohibition, but picking and choosing which industry can and can't advertise (or who should be thrown in jail) based on your personal preferences is pretty ridiculous.

#13 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Lack of combustion simply means lack of small particulate (soot) and probably tar.

Otherwise all the chemicals that are sprayed onto the tobacco will be released so long as their vapor point is 350 degrees or less.

Unless it's a raw tobacco with less refining or processing.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-25 01:49 PM | Reply

"No one wants prohibition, but picking and choosing which industry can and can't advertise (or who should be thrown in jail) based on your personal preferences is pretty ridiculous."

Baloney. Children should not be viewing all sorts of ads that currently run on TV. I can't even guess at how many times I've had to change the channel because of inappropriate ads. Cigarettes, liquor and pharmaceuticals should not be advertised on TV. However, that is a side argument which has nothing to do with your contention that alcohol is as addictive as tobacco. The tobacco companies add chemicals to enhance tobacco's addictive properties, I know several people right now who are trying hard to quit smoking but can't. I also know lots of people who drink without any addictive behaviors.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I know a ton of ex-smokers. what is rare is an ex-chewer. Snuff has to be one of the most addictive substances ever.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-25 01:55 PM | Reply

Danni,

Me and you have disagreed on things over the years. But I couldnt disagree with you more on this.

I live in Winston Salem. We used to be the cig capital of the world. RJR, Phillip Morris and a few other tobacco companies were HQ'ed here. There were jobs a plenty. Good paying jobs. the kind you whine businesses no longer offer. I mean people were being overpaid for their labor. Defined benefit pensions, overtime, healthcare totally paid for, outrageous starting salaries. When I was growing up, everything was good. Everyone I knew worked for RJR, including most of my family.

Then you liberals came along talking about the health hazards. Which is ok, sure, tell people, but let them make their own decisions. But no, you liberals persisted and you ruined my city. RJR was bought out and they fired almost the entire city. But you know who took it on the chin? Blacks. Winston Salem once had an affluent black population. You can still see the large houses of those days, most in ill repair now. Destroyed because of Democrat/Liberals nanny's.

I dont smoke myself, maybe a black and mild here and there, but RJR provided the best jobs in our city. Now they are gone and have left nothing but poverty and misery to the east side of Winston Salem.

Just because you dont choose to smoke doesnt give you the right to demand that no one else can either or for you to demand that something is criminal when it's not.

Keep your nannying to yourself..

#17 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-25 01:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Children should not be viewing all sorts of ads that currently run on TV. I can't even guess at how many times I've had to change the channel because of inappropriate ads. Cigarettes, liquor and pharmaceuticals should not be advertised on TV. - #15 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-25 01:51 PM
Considering the facts on the
harm screen-time does to children, and how much you think is inappropriate for them to see there, why aren't you behind making it illegal for kids to watch TV instead of trying to limit what is on that TV?

#18 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-25 02:07 PM | Reply

"However, that is a side argument which has nothing to do with your contention that alcohol is as addictive as tobacco"

Then explain why I see homeless people all over begging for money for a bottle of booze but not for a pack of camels. Yeah they probably smoke too but they don't NEED a cigarette, they may literally die without a drink.

How many times have you heard a story about how someone was doing great until they started smoking and then they ended up on the street because of their habit? Can you say the same for alcohol?

#19 | Posted by qcp at 2018-01-25 02:08 PM | Reply

"But no, you liberals persisted and you ruined my city."

Your city must be compsed of nothing but giant drippy vaginas like yourself if it can be destroyed by limp-wristed liberal elites.

Are you 100% sure your city didn't decline because it's home to the very gay-tolerant North Carolina School of the Arts?

Maybe it's just G-d punishing you, you ever think of that?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 03:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Everything Boaz says in #17 can be also be said about the employment opportunities and high standard of living created by the Medellin Cartel, the Cali Cartel, the Sinaloa Cartel, and half dozen more huge international drug pushing companies. No difference. They sell death. And Boaz thinks it should be okay because they pay good wages.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-25 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"why aren't you behind making it illegal for kids to watch TV instead of trying to limit what is on that TV?"

Duh! There is lots of TV material appropriate for children, educational and entertaining.

Boaz's comments about tobacco are so ridiculous as to be hilarious. The tobacco industry effectively prevented the truth from getting out for decades causing thousands or possibly millions of deaths so they could continue to profit. When Americans started to quit smoking they just took their poison overseas. Tobacco is an industry that sells death, if your city, your county or your state go totally bankrupt that is no reason to allow cigarette manufacturers to suppress the truth about the affect their product causes. Tobacco is a product with no legitimate benefit but is always detrimental to the health of the user even if used as directed by the manufaturer.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Just because you dont choose to smoke doesnt give you the right to demand that no one else can either or for you to demand that something is criminal when it's not."

And guess what liar? No one is proposing to outlaw smoking. We were discussing the advertisement of tobacco products. And yes, society does have the right to prevent advertising of products which ARE harmful to your health. This isn't even debatable and pretending the economic growth of your city is an excuse for advertising tobacco products is just plain laughable.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I just think want to make sure that over got it right...

Cigarette smoke = toxic, evil death that should be criminal
Marijuana smoke = healthy, happy smoke that should be legal

Yep, that makes sense.

#24 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2018-01-26 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well, one is carcinogenic, and one isn't.

Yep. That makes sense.

#25 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-26 07:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No one is proposing to outlaw smoking.

Of course you are and liberals did. You would outlaw everything that doesnt conform to your ideology.

This isn't even debatable and pretending the economic growth of your city is an excuse for advertising tobacco products is just plain laughable.

That wasnt what I was talking about. We were even prepared for the advertising ban. But the damage done to our city still isnt forgotten.

#26 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 07:55 AM | Reply

"But the damage done to our city still isnt forgotten."

Guess what? I don't care. People died from the products your city processed and sold. Ibsen; "Enemy of the People." Required reading.

#27 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 08:17 AM | Reply

"Of course you are and liberals did."

Restricting and outlawing are two different things.

And the only reason smoking became restricted is its carcinogenic nature became too obvious to ignore. Your right to poison people in pubic stopped at my nose.

#28 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-26 08:28 AM | Reply

^public

#29 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-26 08:37 AM | Reply

Guess what? I don't care.

I know you dont. And that's why we have the political environment we have now. That's why we arent "United" anymore..

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 09:08 AM | Reply

Danforth,

There's got to be a joke in there somewhere..But I'll leave it alone :)

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 09:09 AM | Reply

Guess what? I don't care.

And BTW, blacks like me learned long ago Liberals/Democrats like yourself dont care about black folks. Thanks for reminding me..

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 09:13 AM | Reply

"And BTW, blacks like me learned long ago Liberals/Democrats like yourself dont care about black folks. Thanks for reminding me.."

Yeah, that's exactly why we got the Civil Rights acts passed. You're an idiot Boaz. You may be a black idiot but you are an idiot if you're black or white.
Cigarettes kill people, the economy of your city is insignificant in comparison. Get a new industry. Coal miners are facing the same challenges right now. Buggy whip manufacturers face those same challenges. Now your pathetic city will too, guess what, some creative folks will figure out how to have a growing economy not based on tobacco but you won't be one of those folks. You actually, truly are an idiot that thinks an economy based on tobacco is something we should preserve. How utterly ridiculous!

#33 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 09:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And the notion that my views are based on race, you're unbelievably stupid to believe that. It's more like cancer, yeah, I'm against lung cancer which tobacco creates. If you think that is a racial position then, I can't go on against such utter stupidity. You are seriously pathetic.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 09:24 AM | Reply

Boaz ignored my earlier post but I will repeat it: Ibsen; "Enemy of the People." It is the perfect story to illustrate is stupid views.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He won't read it or watch it though because it would educate him about things he doesn't want to be educated about.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 09:26 AM | Reply

"And BTW, blacks like me learned long ago Liberals/Democrats like yourself dont care about black folks." - #32 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-26 09:13 AM

As it turns out, blacks like you are in the distinct minority:

in 2012, Americans went to the polls to re-elect President Obama (only the 4th president since the First World War to be elected and then re-elected with a majority of the votes cast).

In that election:

93% of African-American voters voted for the Democratic candidate

A very distinct minority.

#37 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 09:46 AM | Reply

"But the damage done to our city still isnt forgotten." - #26 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-26 07:55 AM

In the November 2016 election, Forsyth County, North Carolina, when 54% for Clinton and only 43% for President IQ45.

Obviously, your memory is a bit flawed, pfc. boazo.

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 09:56 AM | Reply

In my #38: "when" should be "went"

#39 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 09:57 AM | Reply

Wow Danni I can't believe I agree with all your post. And I'm a smoker.

#40 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-26 11:04 AM | Reply

"And yes, society does have the right to prevent advertising of products which ARE harmful to your health."

#23 | POSTED BY DANNI

OK, Lets make a list:

1)No Alcohol commercials (Scotch taste like hair spray anyway)
2)No Car commercials (they kill people)
3)No Drug commercials (especially the ones were the side affect could lead be death)
4)No Anti-Smoking commercials (when smokers see these it makes them want to smoke)
5)No Cleaning product commercials (they are harmful if swallowed, check out Tide Challenge)
6)No Pesticide commercials (they kill stuff so they are harmful)
7)No Food commercials (anaphylactic shock,salmonella and allergies, peanuts and sea food kill etc...)
8)No Pop commercials (overuse is harmful)
9)No Toy commercials (kids swallow toys and die all the time)
10)No Animal Shelter commercials (animals kill people)

Everyone feel free to add to the list

#41 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 12:14 PM | Reply

"OK, Lets make a list..." - #41 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrainless at 2018-01-26 12:14 PM

None of the products you listed are harmful if used as intended and not abused.

The same cannot be said about tobacco products.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 12:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you honestly think your post made any point Pinky? Or was it just stupid? I say it was just plain stupid.
There are valuable consumer goods advertised that, if you use them as directed, are perfectly safe. You can't say that about tobacco.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42 #43 Name the one product listed that is not HARMFUL to your HEALTH..... I'll wait

#44 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 12:57 PM | Reply

"Name the one product listed that is not HARMFUL to your HEALTH....." - #44 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrainless at 2018-01-26 12:57 PM

None of the products you listed are harmful if used as intended and not abused.

The same cannot be said about tobacco products.

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 12:20 PM

And...
There are valuable consumer goods advertised that, if you use them as directed, are perfectly safe. You can't say that about tobacco.

#43 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 12:29 PM

Perhaps reading before retorting would make you look less like an idiot.

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 01:20 PM | Reply

Everyone feel free to add to the list

#41 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN AT 2018-01-26 12:14 PM | FLAG:

11) your brain is harmful

#46 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-26 01:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Spend the R&D and advertising money. THEN we will tell you not to advertise that

#47 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-26 01:32 PM | Reply

12) Conservatives

#48 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-26 01:34 PM | Reply

#45

"if used as intended and not abused."

Harmful to human health got it.....

#46 FF

#48

13)Liberals

#49 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 01:53 PM | Reply

"Harmful to human health got it....." - #49 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrainless at 2018-01-26 01:53 PM

Nope.

#50 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 01:56 PM | Reply

Warning on alcoholic beverages

"GOVERNMENT WARNING: (1) According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems."

Doesn't say if used as intended and not abused

Warnings: Keep out of reach of children. Eye irritant. Other warnings on label not shown here.
Acute Health Effects: From MSDS:

Moderate eye irritant. Mild to moderate skin irritant. Occasional clinical reports suggest a low potential for skin sensitization upon exaggerated exposure to sodium hypochlorite if skin damage (e.g., irritation) occurs during exposure. Routine clinical tests conducted on intact skin with this product found no sensitization in the test subjects. Exposure to vapor or mist may irritate eyes, nose, throat, lungs. Harmful if swallowed. May cause nausea and vomiting if swallowed.

The following medical conditions may be aggravated by exposure to high concentrations of vapor or mist: heart conditions or chronic respiratory problems such as asthma, emphysema, chronic bronchitis or obstructive lung disease. Under normal consumer-use conditions, the likelihood of any adverse health effects is low

Interesting neither does the one for bleach (aka Cleaning product)

#51 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 02:05 PM | Reply

"Warning on alcoholic beverages... women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy..." - #51 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrainless at 2018-01-26 02:05 PM

What part of "if you use them as directed" do you not understand?

"Warnings: Keep out of reach of children. Eye irritant."

What part of "if you use them as directed" do you not understand?

Perhaps reading before retorting would make you look less like an idiot.

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 02:12 PM | Reply

"and may cause health problems."

Regardless of "if used as directed"

Under normal consumer-use conditions, the likelihood of any adverse health effects is low

Regardless of "if used as directed"

Your missing the big picture Hans there are a lot of things you could list as shouldn't be advertised because "ARE harmful to your health."..... Careful of your slippery slop, what I listed are all harmful to your health whether you "use as directed" or not.

#53 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 02:24 PM | Reply

"and may cause health problems." Regardless of "if used as directed" - #53 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrainless at 2018-01-26 02:24 PM

There's a difference between "may cause" and "will cause" health problems.

And "may cause" does not equate to "ARE harmful to your health."

"Under normal consumer-use conditions, the likelihood of any adverse health effects is low. Regardless of "if used as directed"

The logical stupidity of that comment is one for the books.

"Under normal consumer-use conditions" is "if used as directed."

#54 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-26 02:36 PM | Reply

poppycock

#55 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-26 03:52 PM | Reply

Essentially the Tobacco company created a product which has existed for awhile - a dry vape. There's a specific word for the device genre but I'm drawing a blank rn

#56 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-26 11:45 PM | Reply

Everyone feel free to add to the list

#41 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

11) Commercials featuring dihydrogen monoxide. It's in a large large proportion of toxic materials.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-27 12:03 AM | Reply

#45
"if used as intended and not abused."
Harmful to human health got it.....

#49 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Just about everything can be harmful to human health in the right dose or the wrong, stupid hands.

Try not to base all your considerations on the lowest common denominator, mmkay?

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-27 12:05 AM | Reply

what I listed...
#53 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN

Is not at all clear. Is the MSDS info for the smoking product or alcohol?

OK. You moved on from your non-sequitor of alcohol to the smoking product and then to....bleach? WTF?

the likelihood of any adverse health effects is low
Interesting neither does the one for bleach (aka Cleaning product)

OK, are you high because your English is atrocious.

But if you trying to say that the "dry vape" vapors can cause the same symptoms as bleach vapors in high concentrations, I'll respond with one thing-you're not supposed to inhale bleach vapors.

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-27 12:11 AM | Reply

I stayed with my non-sequitor the whole time, never went to tobacco.

Do you have Hans on your killfile? If you do then yes what I said looks like gibberish. Yes my grammar is atrocious(sorry), but my English and reading comprehension is fine.

Danni and Hans said everything that is "Harmful to your Health" shouldn't be advertised. So I made a ridiculous list, of things that are harmful to your health.

Then I took the warning labels for alcohol and bleach to show Hans, even if "used as intended and not abused" they are still harmful to your health. That clear it up for you?

How was your sexual harassment seminar?

#60 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-27 10:50 AM | Reply

That clear it up for you?

Much more, yes.

How was your sexual harassment seminar?

Surprisingly they haven't had any scheduled since the holidays so I haven't had to attend one.

#61 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-27 12:17 PM | Reply

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