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Thursday, January 25, 2018

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has a commitment from Republicans to see a Senate debate on the future of nearly 700,000 immigrants currently protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in the next three weeks. But the real hurdle for immigration reform is in the House of Representatives. It all comes down to a promise Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) made in 2015, before taking over the speaker's office: He assured the most conservative members of his conference -- the very ones who ousted his predecessor John Boehner -- that he would not let an immigration bill pass without the support of the majority of House Republicans.

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A rule made by a felon convicted of sexually abusing students while he was a teacher should not now dictate what legislation moves forward. This is a disgusting display of Republicans who have totally lost their sense of morality in order to gain power. 700,000 young people who have obeyed the law, become educated and are here, illegally, through no fault of their own will be subject to deportation because of a bunch of hate filled Tea Partiers. This is not an America that I recognize, when did this country become so xenophobic? Considering 98% of us are the offspring of immigrants. I'm ashamed. Every American should be.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 09:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Sure, Thomas Jefferson raped his slaves, therefore the Declaration of Independance should be declared null and void.

#2 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-25 09:28 AM | Reply

Had. Had a commitment. That deal has been murdered by the fallout from the deal itself.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-25 09:30 AM | Reply

A rule made by a felon - #1 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-25 09:16 AM
You really need to start your comments with a disclaimer that you didn't read the article.
From the article:
"It's called the Hastert Rule, an unwritten Republican leadership principle named after former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert."
"this "rule" predates Hastert and "reflects a decades-long pattern in the House of more aggressive Democratic and Republican majority party leaders."
Binder writes:
The basic premise of the rule -- that House leaders will use their leverage over the floor agenda to keep measures off the floor that might divide the majority party -- has guided House majority party leaders at least since the early 1980s."

I'm ashamed. - #1 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-25 09:16 AM
Good.

#4 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-25 09:52 AM | Reply

"The basic premise of the rule -- that House leaders will use their leverage over the floor agenda to keep measures off the floor that might divide the majority party -- has guided House majority party leaders at least since the early 1980s."

In other words, the rule will be used to prevent the majority of the House from voting on legislation that they support. It basically gives the Speaker veto power of bills that the majority would approve. It is undemocratic and it is wrong. That you, Goatman, can't recognize that does not surprise me, you have never been in favor of actual democracy. You've always been a Republican troll, what else is new?

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 10:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sure, Thomas Jefferson raped his slaves, therefore the Declaration of Independance should be declared null and void.

#2 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT

Best idea I've heard all week.

On top of being pedophiles they were also slave owning genocidal maniacs.

#6 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-25 10:07 AM | Reply

It is undemocratic and it is wrong. That you, Goatman, can't recognize that does not surprise me, you have never been in favor of actual democracy. - #5 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-25 10:06 AM
What basis do you have that I don't think it is wrong? Do you think that my bringing attention to it by making the thread here on the Retort shows that? Who is Goatman?

#7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-25 10:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What basis do you have that I don't think it is wrong?"

Is it wrong?

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 10:53 AM | Reply

"Who is Goatman?" - #7 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-25 10:51 AM

A concern troll.

Just like you, Avigdore.

Of course, he was sent to the corn field by our host.

For being a concern troll, natch.

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-25 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Who is Goatman?"

He's this dude that, if he cast a shadow, it would have more personality than you.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 10:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

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What the Hasturd rule is saying is the GOP is not interested in representing the American people, only republicons. That's why anything that was agreed on in the Senate only is worthless. McConnell knew his promise to debate DACA was DOA and worth less than his integrity.

#11 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-25 11:48 AM | Reply

"That's why anything that was agreed on in the Senate only is worthless."

Meanwhile, Feb 8th has inched one day closer.

#12 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-25 12:04 PM | Reply

"Who is Goatman?"

A moron we used to discuss things with, you should know who he was Goatman.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 08:05 AM | Reply

Goatman. - #13 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-26 08:05 AM
I know that you're often confused, Danni. This is another of those times. I am not Goatman. I have never gone by Goatman.

#14 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-26 09:03 AM | Reply

I can say with near certainty that Avigdore is not Goatman, who tells me he hasn't posted here since he was banned by Rogers.

Back on topic, the so called "Hastert Rule" has been in place for both Democrats and Republicans for decades:

As Barbara Sinclair and Steve Smith documented some years ago, Democratic party leaders transformed the use of special rules in the 1980s and early 1990s to more aggressively structure votes on the House floor. Sometimes "restrictive rules" protected bipartisan deals hatched in committee; other times, they immunized party priorities from challenges on the floor. Judging from the number of Hastert Rule violations charted below (as identified by the New York Times' congressional votes wiz in my twitter feed), it was extremely rare (even before Hastert became speaker in 1999) for the majority party to be rolled on a final passage vote. (To put the number of violations into perspective, there are roughly under 200 final passage votes in most recent congresses, meaning that majority rolls typically constitute less than five percent of final passage votes.) In other words, the Hastert Rule reflects a decades-long pattern in the House of more aggressive Democratic and Republican majority party leaders (denoted by the blue and red bars below) willing to exploit chamber rules on behalf of cohesive majorities.
Here is the article that discusses the evolution of this rule in depth.

Oh 113th Congress Hastert Rule, We Hardly Knew Ye!

Given the current dynamics on DACA, the Hastert Rule is probably DOA.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-26 02:47 PM | Reply

Who is Goatman?

He's a seven-toed sack of beetus who likes to post pictures of his fat ass on a political blog.

#16 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-01-26 03:17 PM | Reply

"I can say with near certainty that Avigdore is not Goatman"

He might be Dan Quayle though.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-26 03:19 PM | Reply

Avigdore is not Goatman.

Goatman has not created a sock puppet account so he can post here.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-26 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Avigdore is not Goatman.

I don't believe so either.

I enjoyed my conversation with Goatman.

ABigBore's posts aren't even as close to being conversational, enjoyable, funny, or entertaining as Goat's were.

The only similarities are both are sticklers for semantics and the literal usage of every word posted. Rather than addressing the general idea a poster was attempting to convey.

I believe this may be what's causing some confusion.

Also. Goat loved trolling. ABigBore is more of a hit and run poster.

Plus Goat enjoyed sharing his private life with us.

In a lot of way Jeff actually reminds me of Goat. Except Jeff isn't as good at trolling. :)

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-26 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goatman has not created a sock puppet account so he can post here.

Now if only the same could be said of TripoliTony...

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-26 06:07 PM | Reply

Did Left Coast Lawyer just say something??? :P

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-26 06:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

Now if only the same could be said of TripoliTony...

Who is this?

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-01-26 06:35 PM | Reply

Goat loved trolling.

#19 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Goatman loved trolling, but was not a troll himself.

He was your better.

Nothing to be ashamed of there. Plenty of company on the DR.

#23 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2018-01-26 09:24 PM | Reply

"Goatman loved trolling, but was not a troll himself"

Shakespeare's plays were not written by William Shakespeare, but by another man of the same name!

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-26 09:28 PM | Reply

Shut up, 'Notch, you greaser.

#25 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-26 09:39 PM | Reply

In the rockabilly sense, not the racial sense, of course...

#26 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-26 09:40 PM | Reply

Now if only the same could be said of TripoliTony...

Who is this?

#22 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

It appears to be a sock-puppet account for J Tremain aka ------ aka Rigel, etc who was recently kicked off this site.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-26 09:49 PM | Reply

J Tremain aka ------ aka Rigel, etc who was recently kicked off this site.

Good old toss will be back on Monday, guns blazing.

#28 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-26 10:00 PM | Reply

who was recently kicked off this site.

He was? And I missed it? Dagnabbit!

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-26 10:25 PM | Reply

Who is Goatman?

#7 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Kids these days.

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-26 11:34 PM | Reply

He was your better.
Nothing to be ashamed of there. Plenty of company on the DR.

#23 | POSTED BY DIXVILLENOTCH

When it came to bbq, cooking in general, astronomy, books and travel you are correct.

Political opinions or debate? Not so much. In that realm Goatman was a Terminator hand dragging you down into the molten bulls*** along with him.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-26 11:39 PM | Reply

He was? And I missed it? Dagnabbit!

#29 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I wish rcade would bring back the dumped post corner of shame link.

If nothing else it a. let you see who was gone for the next few weeks and b. was entertaining as hell.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-26 11:40 PM | Reply

"I wish rcade would bring back the dumped post corner of shame link."

He'll never do it.

#33 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-26 11:50 PM | Reply

No, unfortunately not.

Sometimes I miss the wild west days of the DR.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-27 12:12 AM | Reply

I wish rcade would bring back the dumped post corner of shame link.

Or at least the list of posters in jail. A lot of people seem to come in waves and then go away.

Like, where's Sniper? He was bringing the stupid big time and then went quiet.

#35 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-27 12:13 AM | Reply

Avigdore, do you know who your father is?

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-27 12:20 AM | Reply

Snoofy, yes I do. His name is James Randall. Died 7 years ago.
Why do you ask?

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-27 07:52 AM | Reply

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