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Wednesday, January 24, 2018

So far this year, there have been 11 shots of gunfire at U.S. schools. In contrast, between 1966-2008 school shooting averaged about one per year, according to a study. From 2013 to 2015 that jumped to one per week. If this year's rate keeps up, a school shooting every other day. The study, which featured researchers from Boston University, Columbia University and the University of Texas, found that state's with stronger gun control laws which also spent more on education and mental health have fewer school shootings.

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I thought the carnage stopped 01/20/2017?

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-24 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America.

The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Where Nothing Can Be Done to stop the carnage. 🇺🇸

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-24 11:44 AM | Reply

It did, #1, it did..

www.usatoday.com

FTA:

JEFF SESSIONS | USA TODAY
Updated 20 hours ago
When President Trump was inaugurated, he made the American people a promise: "This American carnage stops right here and stops right now."

It is a promise that he has kept.

#3 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-24 11:44 AM | Reply

Trump has provided potential terrorist shooters the reasons they need to attack news media outlets like CNN. He is a danger to the nation with his uncontrolled rhetoric.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-24 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not a peep about it from captain bone spurs. He's too busy discrediting law enforcement officers.

#5 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-24 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is a promise that he has kept.

#3 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood

He meant in airline disasters. He has prevented any more carnage in airline disasters.

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-24 01:40 PM | Reply

This American carnage stops now!

- Dotard Donnie 1/20/17

#7 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-24 01:54 PM | Reply

www.drudge.com

#8 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-24 01:59 PM | Reply

Too Bad.

So Sad.

But, this is America.

The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

Where Nothing Can be Done.

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-24 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Something is clearly wrong and it goes far behind gun control. The landscape of guns hasn't changed nearly near the scale of school shootings. The shootings are an end result of a core issue that is producing... anger, angst, depression? I don't know what to label it. We can focus on the guns, but I feel its only a symptom of a deeper problem, and we will only be kicking the can down the road and not helping these kids.

#10 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-01-24 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Something is clearly wrong and it goes far behind gun control"

I'm pretty sure it doesn't go much beyond gun control.

The way I figured that out is by noticing other modern countries have gun control, and they don't have this.

However, it's also the case that "modern" is probably not an apt descriptor for many parts of America; our health care "system" being Exhibit A.

So in truth I think it's gun control, and a few other factors too; factors that are harder to isolate but still play a role.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-24 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Something is clearly wrong and it goes far behind gun control. The landscape of guns hasn't changed nearly near the scale of school shootings. The shootings are an end result of a core issue that is producing... anger, angst, depression? I don't know what to label it. We can focus on the guns, but I feel its only a symptom of a deeper problem, and we will only be kicking the can down the road and not helping these kids.

#4 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Actually we have more guns now than ever before.

In addition, guns are the one factor we can control.

Unfortunately, we choose not to.

Thankfully, Republicans have a solution! "Hopes and Prayers"!

#12 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-24 03:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

THANK GOD for the Second Amendment (as interpreted by Conservative courts)!
Sorry America! Dead children every month is the price we must pay so that the gun lobby (NRA) and weapon manufacturers can make mo' money.

#13 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-01-24 03:19 PM | Reply

No gun nuts here to explain how gun better regulation wouldn't stop the carnage?

It must still be too soon to talk about this.

#14 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-24 03:31 PM | Reply

Thanks God for all of these shootings. With so many, the time to talk about sensible gun reform can be held off indefinitely, just like we and the NRA want...
--Cowardly GOP toadies

#15 | Posted by catdog at 2018-01-24 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

YO THUG LIFE - the NEW Normal... gansta wanna be's

RAP ROTS your childish monkey brain...

#16 | Posted by Pegasus at 2018-01-24 03:53 PM | Reply

There is a lot that goes into this epidemic other than just the guns. The gun availability makes them possible. For that matter the availability of guns to these children just goes to show how many irresponsible gun owners are out there despite what so many claim. They think they are responsible but they really aren't.

Just a few things we need to address as a society related to gun violence in general but in schools in particular:
-Gun Control
-Mental Health
-Social Media
-Parenting issues

I'm not saying it will never happen but I feel you should talk to me when hell has frozen over.

#17 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-24 04:59 PM | Reply

This was on my local news channel a couple days ago:

Waco PD to residents: Stop leaving your weapons in your cars.

www.kwtx.com

#18 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-24 05:37 PM | Reply

Waco Police Department Facebook Page: www.facebook.com

PLEASE PEOPLE!!!!!!
STOP LEAVING WEAPONS IN YOUR CAR.

You are not only risking your safety and your neighbors if you happen to confront a car burglar, but you are arming the bad guys for their future activities.

Shift Report from Patrol:
Multiple Burglary of Motor Vehicles on Condor Loop Area off Wortham Bend.
Dayshift worked at least 5 vehicle burglaries. No forced entry was made as all vehicles were left unlocked. 9 mm handguns were taken out of all 5 vehicles as well as a shotgun from one of the vehicles. It is believed midnights work additional burglaries as well.

#19 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-24 05:39 PM | Reply

Thanks Trump!!!

#20 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-24 07:20 PM | Reply

The way I figured that out is by noticing other modern countries have gun control, and they don't have this.

#11 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2018-01-24 02:40 PM | FLAG:

Is Mexico modern, or a --------? or is this the part where you tell me where I live is a lot like Norway?

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-24 08:13 PM | Reply

Thanks Trump!!!

#20 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

That was kind of funny.

I actually like doing that. I remember after 3 straight days of rain in '16, I was in the car with my family and I blurted out, "It's been raining for 3 straight days. Thanks, Obama!"

It got quite the laugh from my wife and kids.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-24 08:17 PM | Reply

In fairness, we, the progressives of America, have offered woefully few solutions either. Nobody is out-front, offering concrete steps or giving a multi-point plan to reduce violence. While Donald Trump is a sack of ----, we still have to offer our ideas and plans. Blame isn't a plan.

#23 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2018-01-24 09:20 PM | Reply

"Is Mexico modern, or a --------?"

LOL.

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-24 09:31 PM | Reply

They were white. Just misunderstood kids.

#25 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-01-24 09:46 PM | Reply

This new normal makes me incredibly sad.

A few weeks ago we had an unannounced lockdown drill. Nobody knew for sure if it was a drill or not (I suspected but wasn't positive). It was very interesting how my normally rambunctious and slightly confrontational class all huddled in the corner quietly without saying a word. I stood by the door, out of sight, but with a chair close by that I could use as a weapon if necessary.

Around this same time, I was talking with my first grader about the drills he does at his school. The tornado drill scares him because he thinks that a tornado might really come and carry him away. I asked him if there were any drills that were less scary, and he said that the drill where they all hide in the corner really wasn't that scary. Honestly I nearly started crying because obviously it saddens me to live in a world where my son has to drill for an active shooter situation, but also because the staff at his school handle it in a way where it's not scary. I think for parents, the lockdown / active shooter drill is probably the scariest of them all.

#26 | Posted by dylanfan at 2018-01-25 11:51 AM | Reply

Yes, there a more guns now. But as been pointed out as an argument against them being more popular with people, it's the same people who already were gun owners that were driving up those numbers. It just doesn't seem that kids today are THAT much more exposed to guns than I was growing up. Yet, more and more kids are taking to wanting to lash out and kill multiple of their peers.

I feel the guns are the tool being used to act out because *something* is driving them to this. There aren't normal kids walking around, picking up a gun, and then deciding to take to school to shoot the place up.

Snoofy would say it is the guns because this doesn't happen elsewhere, where there are less guns... I'll offer that there is also *something* else not in their society, so they're not looking to harm their peers, or they would be finding another way.

#27 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-01-25 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thoughts and prayers....

i.redd.it

#28 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-25 01:05 PM | Reply

What has happened to our society these past number of decades that this would be happening [possible lack of morals]? Back in the 60s [in PA] when I went to high school in deer season many of us had our rifles in our cars. I even remember showing my Marlin 336 .30-30 after school to the the gun teacher as I looked over his Browning .30-06 and talking about them. I am unaware of any high school shootings back then.

#29 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-25 04:53 PM | Reply

11 shootings in 3 weeks, wow, you guys are outdoing yourselves. what used to be shocking has become the norm. but please, by all means, argue about a wall, secret cabals and porn stars, those are much more important than slaughtered children.

#30 | Posted by panchovilla at 2018-01-25 05:02 PM | Reply

#27

So the Country is supposed to sit back and wait for you, or someone smarter than you, to identify what that is? You'd think 2nd Amendment die hards would have identified that by now to use as a scapegoat, to protect against the dirty libbies looking to take your guns away. But to no avail. Maybe there isn't something else, the ACTUAL smoking gun, out there to be identified. Maybe the ACTUAL smoking gun is the amount of smoking guns per capita.

Why not consider that as a possibility? Because it goes against the (R)? I hope that's not YOUR stance, but it is typical on the Right, IMO.

#31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-25 05:34 PM | Reply

#29

"POSSIBLE LACK OF MORALS."

Wow, now we're reaching a bit. But, yes, let's go down that rabbit hole. Where/when did the decline start, MSGT?

#32 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-25 05:35 PM | Reply

Hold gun accountable for not securing their guns. When a kid shoots up a school, prosecute the person the kid got the gun from.

#33 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-01-26 12:50 AM | Reply

*hold gun owners accountable

#34 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-01-26 12:50 AM | Reply

This would never happen if all them kids had a firearm! Damnit!! We need to protect the gun rights of hormone addled adolescents... it will keep their minds off the evils of sex drugs and rap music. They got a constitutional right to defend themselves from hurt feelings... lame parents that just don't get it and teachers too stupid to suck.

#35 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-01-26 06:54 AM | Reply

What has happened to our society these past number of decades that this would be happening [possible lack of morals]?

Yes like electing a ----- grabbing serial lying adultering philandering morally bankrupt potus that embraces a pedophile for senate.

Lack of morals indeed. Take a look in the mirror.

#36 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-26 09:31 AM | Reply

A fifteen-year-old girl was shot at school in Italy, TX a few days ago. Italy is just north of Waco, TX.

www.nbcnews.com

#37 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-26 11:32 AM | Reply

From his inaugural address:

"The American carnage stops right here, right now," he said. "From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land. From this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first."

How come Trump doesn't want to put an end to this American carnage?

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-26 11:41 AM | Reply

Maybe the ACTUAL smoking gun is the amount of smoking guns per capita. - #31 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-25 05:34 PM
An interesting theory. Let see if there's any research out there to prove or disprove it:
The states with the higher per capita gun ownership are
Wyoming, Alaska and Montana.
There has been 1 school shooting total in those 3 states since 2013 (that's the earliest the site tracks to).
Gun ownership as a % of households (not specific per capita data, but useful) has dropped from about 50% in the 70's to about 30% today while school shooting rates have jumped ~50 fold.

This site discusses registered guns per capita . It still lists Wyoming as #1 (by a HUGE margin, really, check it out), followed by DC and Arkansas.
Including college campus shootings, Wyoming still has not had a single school shooting, neither has DC, Arkansas has had 4. (Oddly enough all 4 in the parking lot, not the school itself. 2 accidental discharges showing off their weapon, 1 following a football game fight)

The evidence certainly points to your theory being disproven. Do you have any evidence that would support your theory, or are you willing to modify your theory to incorporate the evidence?

#39 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-26 12:17 PM | Reply

I'll take a shot in the dark at starting the conversation

I earlier alluded to the issue being a "something", perhaps it's a collection of things. I'll nominate one.

The bubble wrapping of children.

Did anyone see the this weeks episode of the Goldbergs? If not the well known opening of the Goldbergs has the youngest son Adam introduce the episode with a voice of with "It was 1980 something..." and episodes look back fondly at the way childhood was at that time. This week, they introduced a spin off show rather than a Goldbergs that will seemingly be titled 1990-something. The Pilot they aired had as a sub plot a battle between two well known teachers from the Goldbergs where one was elevated to being the new principal and the other remained the gym teacher. The Gist of it being that dodge ball and other gym games that had winners and losers would be done away with.

It seems that a lot of the articles about child proofing childhood are right. They argue that kids are being shielded from learning how to deal with adversity, hardship, etc...

My wife lost her father when she was very young, and a counselor later in life told her that under stress her reactions reverted back to that age, and that she needed to learn how to age up her emotional level past that point in her life.

I wonder if kids today, since we are shielding them from learning coping mechanisms, some of them when faced with extreme hardships in school, revert to a very tantrum like response.

Anyhow, I'm offering up something that might start a conversation.

#40 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-01-26 01:22 PM | Reply

#40 | POSTED BY KWRX25

Am I the only one that looked forward to dodgeball days in school?

#41 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-26 01:33 PM | Reply

40
Definitely could be one of the factors.
I think social media plays a part too. They don't have many real personal interactions with people.
Plus the 15 minutes of infamy.
Plus the mental drugs.
Plus lack of parenting and parental awareness that their kid is a nutter and has access to a gun.

If you're on prescription pills due to a mental state I think we need to consider whether or not that is worthy of suspension of permits/confiscation. How that fairly gets implemented is beyond me.

#42 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-01-26 01:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#42 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE

I've heard social media makes the bullying worse too; they can't escape it at home or whatever. Another thing is social media has like an opposite of the negative review bias; people tend to only post the awesome parts of their lives. It makes the other kids think their life is uber boring.

#43 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-26 01:46 PM | Reply

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