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Wednesday, January 24, 2018

Republican Senator Roger Wicker has been roundly criticised after he was caught in footage calling underage teenagers "beautiful girls". The 66-year-old made the comments during Monday's Senate vote on a temporary funding bill, in which Democrats moved to end a federal government shutdown.

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The Mississippi senator was speaking to Senator Cory Booker, who said one Senate page was from one of the most beautiful places in the country, according to a statement from Mr Wicker.

A C-SPAN video recording shows Mr Wicker gesturing towards a group of female pages and saying: "I thought you were going to say this was one of the most beautiful girls. What about these others?"

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LOL!

Yer funny, Bozo!

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-24 08:00 AM | Reply

I know it's hard angrydad, but can you put together a coherent thought about the thread and stop focusing on me?

#2 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 08:20 AM | Reply

Have to admit It is a little creepy. But after Booker chasties DHS secretary for being complicit it's strange he laughed about the comment.

#3 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-24 08:34 AM | Reply

Thread headline deserves 5 rotten tomatoes.

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-24 08:45 AM | Reply

Does anyone else agree with me that BOAZ is very paranoid? He seems to worry about his male privelege all the time. I don't know how anyone could focus on that so much of the time and still have time to think about the real issues of the day. I suspect he has issues that need some counseling. I'm not a mental health professional but I do recognize paranoia when I see it.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-24 08:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

From the link ...

But the Senator came under fire on social media, with a number of people condemning what they labelled "creepy" behaviour .

One Twitter user, Deb Mochier-Dunn, commented: "didn't they notice the million women march outside their office this weekend?" referring to the mass protest that took place in Washington on Sunday,

Another user, Pamela Wallace, said: "Good to know his mind was on the important work at hand ... rating high school girls for hotness."


The problem isn't the content of what was said, the problem is taking something small and turning it into the Invasion of Poland.

Social media makes lazy people lazier.

Too bad these same people taking to twitter to voice their outrage aren't doing the same thing for BIG things that are TRULY outrageous ... www.drudge.com

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-24 09:06 AM | Reply

No one, nowadays, thinks they are not beautiful. It's an extension of the 'give everyone a trophy' problem.

#7 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-24 09:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Some old fart leering at girls when he is easily old enough to be their grandfather is sick, creepy ----.
Take away his tax payer provided erectile medications and lock this sick creep up.

#8 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-24 10:06 AM | Reply

#7, I think it's a combination of that as well as an extension of the selfie culture.

#9 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-24 10:55 AM | Reply

#8, fair enough to say it's creepy, but we don't need no thought control.

#10 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-24 10:56 AM | Reply

I can't believe anyone is defending a 66-year-old man making a creepy comment to 16- and 17-year-old girls -- especially since members of Congress have molested pages in the past.

No you can't tell a 16-year-old girl she is "beautiful" when you're a grown-ass man. It's gross, predatory, grooming behavior. It is a shame anybody needed the #MeToo movement to tell them that.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

So does it magically become less gross, predatory, grooming behavior when they turn 18?

Asking for Boaz's friend.

#12 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-24 11:25 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11,

He wasnt making a comment to a 16 or 17 year old, he was talking to another grown ass man. So now women are policing what men talk about?

No you can't tell a 16-year-old girl she is "beautiful" when you're a grown-ass man.

I dont agree. It's all about intentions. A man can tell a girl she is beautiful. Your liberal mind is in the gutter.

My neighbor's 15 year old daughter came over in her ballet dancing uniform yesterday. She said, "This are my dancing clothes, Mr. Boaz". I said, "Now arent you a beautiful young dancer!"

I had no ill intent. Nothing sexual there.

Sometimes telling someone they are beautiful is just that. You liberals are trying to police too much. You need to get your minds out of the gutter and stop always being offended.

#13 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

AAAERRRGGHHHHH I have to agree with Boaz!

Someone wash out my brain with bleach!!!!!!!

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-24 11:53 AM | Reply

"Does anyone else agree with me that BOAZ is very paranoid?"

compared to whom?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-24 12:13 PM | Reply

He wasnt making a comment to a 16 or 17 year old, he was talking to another grown ass man.

Watch the clip. The girls are sitting there listening to him when he says it.

www.c-span.org

Sometimes telling someone they are beautiful is just that.

And sometimes the man is a serial kiddy chaser like Roy Moore.

It is creepy for grown-ass men to tell teen girls they are "beautiful." While you are innocent of any sexual intent, a lot of men aren't. They want it to lead somewhere, and if it causes offense they can claim it was just an innocent remark. Members of Congress have preyed on pages in the past.

Also, when you innocently call your neighbor's 15-year-old daughter "beautiful," you're conditioning her to think that is OK behavior from adult men. It isn't. In a society where teen girls are often sexually victimized by adult males, good men should help make skeevy behavior more obvious by not blurring the boundaries. Never make a remark that could be taken as flirtatious.

If I had a 15-year-old daughter and my neighbor called her "beautiful," I'd be on my guard about that neighbor from that point on.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

It sounds like Wicker wants to be the Dotard's wingman at the next kiddie beauty pageant.

#17 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-01-24 12:20 PM | Reply

The denial we read here is just more proof that most misogynists don't know that they are.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:04 PM | Reply

"compared to whom?"
HAHA! ~

Anyone else notice how elderly has become the defacto "lib" dick-blocker for every right-wing loon here on the DR.
He runs around trying to bury their turds

#19 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-24 01:06 PM | Reply

If I had a 15-year-old daughter and my neighbor called her "beautiful," I'd be on my guard about that neighbor from that point on.

Depends on the neighbor.

While you are innocent of any sexual intent, a lot of men aren't.

That's a horrible way to look at everyone you meet, you must be a miserable person. You cant know intent. Unless someone is telegraphing sexual innuendo, you cant possibly know someone's intention. You sound like you are making all men out to be pedo's..I'm not going to censor myself like that.

#20 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

The denial we read here is just more proof that most misogynists don't know that they are.

Denial? Not everyone is a perv like you. That's like calling every man gay and just saying all are in denial just because they dont agree with your point of view about gay men...

You are an idiot.

#21 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:12 PM | Reply

"That's a horrible way to look at everyone you meet, you must be a miserable person." - #20 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-24 01:10 PM

You're the expert in both regards, pfc. boazo.

"You cant know intent."

You are quite the comedian with that line, pfc. boazo.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-24 01:13 PM | Reply

- a perv like you

Stop staring at my feet!

I guess I should ask an expert, though. In what way am I a "perv", praytell?

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:15 PM | Reply

And sometimes the man is a serial kiddy chaser like Roy Moore.

Sometimes? So you just label every man you meet a serial rapist?

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:15 PM | Reply

rest assured Cory, your feet would be the last feet I would look at.

#25 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:16 PM | Reply

"So you just label every man you meet a serial rapist?" - #24 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-24 01:15 PM

"I label every Muslim I meet a terrorist." - Posted by pfc. boazo
This stuff just writes itself.

#26 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-24 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

12 Ways to Spot a Misogynist

www.psychologytoday.com

#27 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:19 PM | Reply

OK... who's this "Cory" person? Now I'm jealous!

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:20 PM | Reply

I said, "Now arent you a beautiful young dancer!"

In that sentence, beautiful is describing the dancer/dancing and not the girl per se/her looks. "Now aren't you a beautiful young girl" would be the more questionable thing to say because that would be describing her looks directly and not something she was doing.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 01:21 PM | Reply

#29,

I dont agree Gal. I guess I'm just not that nuanced.

#30 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:35 PM | Reply

#26,

Why not comment on the thread and not me, Hans? Why are you such a troll?

You are an evil individual. You are truly what's wrong with the internet.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Why are you such a troll?" - #31 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-24 01:36 PM

Do you rent an IMAX theater for all that projection?

(Someone else here posted that, and it is so appropriate!)

"You are an evil individual."

Article 134 of the UCMJ.

I thoroughly enjoy reminding you of that from time-to-time.

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-24 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

nuance... is a four letter word to most rwingers.

Sort of like empathy or community.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:46 PM | Reply

"I dont agree Gal. I guess I'm just not that nuanced."

I'm just telling you how I would interpret your comment or one like it. I don't find your comment creepy in the way I might find "Now aren't you a beautiful young girl" directed at a 16 year old by a 66 year old neighbor.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 01:48 PM | Reply

I thoroughly enjoy reminding you of that from time-to-time.

I expect you to. You are an ------- of no redeeming value. To keep bringing up something that has nothing to do with you, resolved almost 12 years ago, is just the height of douchebaggary that is you.

I expect it from scum like you.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Cryptoboaz, when the girls are under 18, you are a senator, and its been a few short weeks since the whole Roy Moore ordeal went down; it demonstrates piss-pour cultural awareness.

#36 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-24 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

OK, who peed in Boaz's Rice Krispies this morning? Was it you, Rogers?

#37 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-24 01:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"You are an ------- of no redeeming value." - #35 | Posted by pfc. boazo at 2018-01-24 01:49 PM

Do you rent an IMAX theater for all that projection?

"...resolved almost 12 years ago..."

Seems like just yesterday, pfc. boazo.

And how convenient that you proclaim it resolved.

Takes two to tango, doncha know?

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-24 01:56 PM | Reply

#36

actually, Indiana, I would agree..

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 01:56 PM | Reply

That's a horrible way to look at everyone you meet, you must be a miserable person.

I am a happy person.

I am also a person who learned, through the tragic experiences of women close to me, that the sexual abuse of girls by predatory adult men is a widespread problem that can devastate victims for decades.

When you talk to a high school-age girl in your family about what men have said to them, it's appalling. There are a lot of men who say creepy things to young women, even underage ones.

Instead of worrying about your own feelings if you can't innocently call a 15-year-old girl "beautiful," you should be thinking about girls' feelings. What kind of world do we create for girls by acting like it's OK for adult men to comment on their attractiveness?

You say, "You cant know intent." That's true. A 15-year-old you call "beautiful" can't know you mean it innocently. She might think you are making a move on her.

For this reason, it's not something an adult man should do.

#40 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you just label every man you meet a serial rapist?

I didn't say that. I said that if an adult male neighbor took a specific action, I'd be watchful of that person around my daughter or any other girl.

The world has a lot of sexually predatory men in it. Some of them could even be our own relatives. Too many times I've heard the nightmare of how a young girl was preyed upon and nobody saw the signs.

(I'm talking about girls but it's not limited to them. Jerry Sandusky preyed on boys by using his Penn State coaching job and youth camps to win the trust of their parents, then groomed them over time until he could brutally victimize them and manipulate them into silence.)

#41 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 02:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And how convenient that you proclaim it resolved.

#38 | Posted by Hans

And none of your business. And no effect on this thread.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's a horrible way to look at everyone you meet, you must be a miserable person. You cant know intent. Unless someone is telegraphing sexual innuendo, you cant possibly know someone's intention. You sound like you are making all men out to be pedo's..I'm not going to censor myself like that."

The thing you need to keep in mind is that real pedophiles know how to mask their intent, often hiding it behind the mask of helpfulness. Think of Roy Moore offering to sit with the girl whose mother was about to go into divorce court, or of Sandusky's seemingly kind desire to mentor boys interested in football. Not being able to detect someone's intention is the very reason youngsters and their parents need to be skeptical of what could be a sincere interest in a child or what could be something far more devious and dangerous.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"For this reason, it's not something an adult man should do."

For people like Boaz, when a sissy liberal beta like you says it's something alpha males shouldn't do... is practically begging him to do it.

You do understand that, I hope.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-24 02:34 PM | Reply

****snort*****

Aww shucks, Snoofy :)

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 02:43 PM | Reply

#44

I see where you are coming from Gal...

I guess this goes along with not being able to let our kids roam outside anymore type thing...

#47 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 02:44 PM | Reply

"I guess this goes along with not being able to let our kids roam outside anymore type thing..."

Yeah I have no idea why you guys did that to your kids.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-24 02:47 PM | Reply

For people like Boaz, when a sissy liberal beta like you says it's something alpha males shouldn't do... is practically begging him to do it.

It's not a liberal vs. conservative issue. I know Republicans who are as serious about protecting minors.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wouldn't say the comment is that far out of bounds because it depends on context.

do I think it can be over the line? absolutely.

#50 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-24 02:55 PM | Reply

#49,

Yea, I got it Rogers..

I can sort of understand I suppose. But I just dont think in this instance it was meant that way.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-24 02:57 PM | Reply

But I just dont think in this instance it was meant that way.

I don't know what he meant, but after months of #MeToo he should be more enlightened and realize that's not an acceptable thing to say to pages.

He also has the example of Al Franken who was driven out of office by members of his own party for alleged sexual misconduct.

#52 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A C-SPAN video recording shows Mr Wicker gesturing towards a group of female pages and saying: "I thought you were going to say this was one of the most beautiful girls. What about these others?"

Wicker made the comment to Booker and not to the pages. He doesn't actually tell any of the girls he thinks they are beautiful, but it seems as if some people are acting as if he did.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 03:16 PM | Reply

"but after months of #MeToo he should be more enlightened and realize that's not an acceptable thing to say to pages."

Oh, sorry. I thought he said it about them, not too them. (When I try to read the article, it gives me some sort of bad virus warning.)

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 03:18 PM | Reply

'Salright. Here's a photo if the other link I posted doesn't work:

www.dailymail.co.uk

#55 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-24 03:27 PM | Reply

#55 Yep, definitely an inappropriate time to make that remark.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A 66 year old man taking note and commenting about a 17 year old hottie. There is no happy ending to this story. For anyone. Self censorship is an annoying yet very necessary aspect of modern day human interaction.

#57 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-24 04:00 PM | Reply

Or put another way, for Boaz' benefit, you have the right to say whatever you want. But you will suffer the consequences regardless of whether you think it is fair or not. Wicker has every right to make his stupid comment about beautiful teenage girls. Everybody else has the right to point out what an inappropriate idiot Wicker is in response.

#58 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-24 04:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The denial we read here is just more proof that most misogynists don't know that they are.
#18 | POSTED BY CORKY

Settled Science.

#59 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-01-24 04:33 PM | Reply

It's a pity we can't embed the Bill Maher video from another thread directly into the comments here.

#60 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-24 06:04 PM | Reply

"If I had a 15-year-old daughter and my neighbor called her "beautiful," I'd be on my guard about that neighbor from that point on."

I tell my daughter they're beautiful all the time. Maybe you need to notify CPS of a potential predator in their midst.

And let's be honest, had Bernie Sanders made this comment, the tone of this thread would have turned out very different.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-24 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#61
Bernie Sanders didnt say that; and it is the ultimate dirty trick to try to introduce, and tar the name of an innocent individual, and place them into a hypothetical discussion of this sort.

Own who did say it, because Santa Clause, The Easter Bunny and St. Patrick didnt say it either. That BS means nothing.

#62 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-24 08:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If I had a 15-year-old daughter and my neighbor called her "beautiful," I'd be on my guard about that neighbor from that point on."

I think that says far more about you than it does about your neighbor. (i.e. that you're a normal dad)

#63 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-24 08:20 PM | Reply

"Bernie Sanders didnt say that; and it is the ultimate dirty trick to try to introduce, and tar the name of an innocent individual"

So your position would be the same if Bernie had said that some of the girls working for him were beautiful?

Personally, I don't find it creepy at all. Had it been more along the lines of stating what great asses or ---- they had...that's totally different story. And it doesn't matter who says it.

#64 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-24 08:26 PM | Reply

*MARK*

#65 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-24 08:35 PM | Reply

This is ridiculous.

My niece is 24 but she's been a knock-out since she was 13.

I remember my wife and I taking my niece and nephew (he's her twin brother) canoeing when they were 14. We hit a Deliverance portion of the river and a scary-looking white-trash dude, with a devoutly-ugly wife on his small boat, totally leered at her as we passed by. It was creepy and I looked at my lame, plastic paddle as a weak weapon had he chosen to act on his instincts.

She's a beautiful woman. Period. When describing her to a friend of his who hadn't met her, my dad started with her intelligence (Magna Cum Laude from Notre Dame) but also mentioned that she looks like a model.

Honest? Yes. Creepy? No.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-24 08:44 PM | Reply

Clown and Snoofy,

Whilst I appreciate and applaud the humor you are employing....We're talking about my niece.

As a friend - please ease up. The initial remarks are hilarious, but please leave it at that.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-24 09:10 PM | Reply

I tell younger women pretty or beautiful frequently. There's no ill intent, no sexual context, it's just a simple complement.

I learned a long time ago that those ignorantly attributing ill intent upon others are really just projecting their own, less than thoughts innocent thoughts upon others.

#71 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-25 06:49 AM | Reply

Your viewpoint could only come from complete ignorance of the world that many young girls experience, where adult men complimenting their looks "frequently" are often predatory.

If you were educated by women about what they suffered in their youth, you'd change your behavior.

You also would shed the idiotic notion that people who try to protect minors are secretly harboring evil thoughts.

#72 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 08:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Welcome to the Nanny Police State.

#73 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-25 09:49 AM | Reply

"He also has the example of Al Franken who was driven out of office by members of his own party for alleged sexual misconduct."

He was driven from office by fools who think human sexuality is evil. Their prudish attacks cost us one of our most valuable voices over insignificant events where no rape or sexual assault was even suggested. If his behavior is the standard we will use in the future then I fear for America. We do not want to go down this Puritanical road.

#74 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-25 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I learned a long time ago that those ignorantly attributing ill intent upon others are really just projecting their own, less than thoughts innocent thoughts upon others.

#71 | POSTED BY JAMESGELLIOTT

Imagine going through life thinking like this...

#75 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-25 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Imagine going through life thinking like this...

"I learned a long time ago that those ignorantly attributing ill intent upon others are really just projecting their own, less than thoughts innocent thoughts upon others."

The sentence makes more sense if it's translated back to Russian.

#76 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-25 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I learned a long time ago that those ignorantly attributing ill intent upon others are really just projecting their own, less than thoughts innocent, thoughts upon others."
Was that really too hard for you to understand what JAMESGELLIOTT was saying?

#77 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-25 10:44 AM | Reply

"If you were educated by women about what they suffered in their youth, you'd change your behavior."

My wife tells me that I don't tell my girls that they're beautiful often enough. I'll tell her you said she needs to get woke.

#78 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-25 11:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

He was driven from office by fools who think human sexuality is evil.

You act like it was Republicans who ran him out of office. It's your own party who is on this "man vengeance".

#79 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-25 11:05 AM | Reply

You act like it was Republicans who ran him out of office. It's your own party who is on this "man vengeance".

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-25 11:05 AM | Reply

What flavour of cheese would you like today????

#80 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-25 11:21 AM | Reply

Beautiful isn't really an accomplishment.
That's why it's kind of a hollow compliment.

It's almost like saying, "Aren't you lucky to have nice looking parents, kid?"

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 11:29 AM | Reply

I get both sides of this issue. It's an interesting debate but I don't want to act like I represent the wishes and/or feelings of women.

If those young girls are upset, offended, threatened, etc by what that guy said.....fair enough. I still think the context of how you complement a women's appearance matters. It can be done in an appropriate manner and it can be done in a very inappropriate manner and I think everybody here understands that.

#82 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-25 11:36 AM | Reply

"If you were educated by women about what they suffered in their youth, you'd change your behavior."

I call BS on you RCADE. My wife was sexually abused by her step dad during her pubescent years. I helped her deal with PTSD that resulted from her trauma. Nightmares were frequent.

I also have a 16 year of daughter. Whenever anyone tells me they think she is beautiful or pretty, my first thought is never that they are some kind of pervert. When my daughter was 12, she was groped in a public place by someone we knew. The only reason I didn't kick his ass is because I found out about it later. I checked the sex offender data base and he was on it. I had him arrested.

#83 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-25 11:55 AM | Reply

"I still think the context of how you complement a women's appearance matters. It can be done in an appropriate manner and it can be done in a very inappropriate manner and I think everybody here understands that."

Context and intent both matter. There is nothing wrong with a father/grandfather telling his daughter/granddaughter that she is beautiful (and hopefully complimenting her on her other positive attributes as well). There is nothing wrong with that, unless there is. I know someone whose grandfather repeatedly told his granddaughter she was beautiful and frequently referred to her as his "little princess" which made her feel attractive and loved. However, I know of another granddaughter whose grandfather told her she was beautiful and who also sexually molested her from a young age when he babysat for her while her parents worked. The molestation went on until someone outside of the family found out and reported him to Child Protective Services, at which point he was no longer allowed to be alone with his granddaughter. In one case, the compliment was sweet, sincere and appreciated. In the other case, the compliment was part of predatory grooming behavior which led to years of sexual abuse.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 11:56 AM | Reply

I've also told my friends sons thing like they have grown into a handsome man. It's meant as a complement and nothing more, but people like you would have society do away with politeness in the name of political correctness.

#85 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-25 11:56 AM | Reply

One of my friends is white and it married to a black woman. She has 2, 4 year old twin boys and a 6 year old twin girl. When she showed me pictures, I told her I thought her children were beautiful. The mother took it as the complement it was and nothing more.

#86 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-25 12:01 PM | Reply

"I learned a long time ago that those ignorantly attributing ill intent upon others are really just projecting their own, less than thoughts innocent thoughts upon others."

Or they could be thinking of past experiences they've had (or someone close to them have) and are acting out of an abundance of caution. Once burned, twice shy and all that.

#87 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 12:01 PM | Reply

My wife tells me that I don't tell my girls that they're beautiful often enough.

This is asinine. We're talking about what adult men say to young girls who are other people's daughters.

#88 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's meant as a complement and nothing more, but people like you would have society do away with politeness in the name of political correctness.

This isn't about politeness. There are a million ways a grown-ass man could say something polite to an underage girl without complimenting her for attractiveness.

Who goes around calling minors "beautiful" or "handsome" all the time anyway? I don't meet teens and think to myself, "Hey, they look good and would probably appreciate it if I told them that." That's just weird.

When she showed me pictures, I told her I thought her children were beautiful. The mother took it as the complement it was and nothing more.

You were talking to the mother about her photos, not talking to children. Different situation.

Whenever anyone tells me they think she is beautiful or pretty, my first thought is never that they are some kind of pervert.

How do you feel when a man you don't know tells her outside of your presence that she is pretty?

I'm sorry your family has experienced those incidents of sexual abuse. I know they can be a terrible ordeal to overcome, and I'm glad you were able to help them.

#89 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 12:15 PM | Reply

"This is asinine. We're talking about what adult men say to young girls who are other people's daughters."

Yeah, somehow we've gotten very far from the original story and one Senator's comment to another about the beautiful pages crowding around them.

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 12:15 PM | Reply

"Who goes around calling minors "beautiful" or "handsome" all the time anyway? I don't meet teens and think to myself, "Hey, they look good and would probably appreciate it if I told them that." That's just weird."

RCADE, you are making assumptions about the context of the entire conversation. You seem to think he was ONLY stating that they were sexually attractive.

"How do you feel when a man you don't know tells her outside of your presence that she is pretty?"

I am proud to say that I have raised a strong willed young lady who sticks up for herself. Regardless, I would have to know the context of your hypothetical situation before I tell you how I would feel.

#91 | Posted by jamesgelliott at 2018-01-25 12:24 PM | Reply

"RCADE, you are making assumptions about the context of the entire conversation. You seem to think he was ONLY stating that they were sexually attractive."

I'm not sure who the "he" is you are referring to. If it is Senator Wicker, then, yes, in this instance, he was only commenting on their physical beauty.

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 12:35 PM | Reply

RCADE, you are making assumptions about the context of the entire conversation.

Your response has nothing to do with the question I asked, which was about a general situation and not Senator HeyGoodLookin.

Even if we set aside the issue of compliments and creepy men, when girls grow up being told all the time they are pretty while boys are complimented for many other virtues, it sends the message that a girl's self-worth should be judged in her looks. Since we live in a society where women are doing everything men do in business, politics, the military and other walks of life, we might want to re-evaluate how we praise girls.

It's not like young people today need adults telling them they look good. The ones who want to hear that all day long can feed their narcissism on Instagram and Snapchat.

#93 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 12:39 PM | Reply

"Beautiful isn't really an accomplishment.
That's why it's kind of a hollow compliment."

Depends. If a 40 year old person has worked out, dieted, and worked hard to be healthy and they have attractive qualities as a result of that, then it is an accomplishment. To a lesser degree, anybody who isn't overweight has likely make better choices than someone who is overweight. I realize there are health issues that may affect weight/appearance and I don't mean to ignore them.

But to a certain extent one has some control over their appearance.

#94 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-25 12:48 PM | Reply

"Depends. If a 40 year old"

We're not talking about 40 year olds.

Imagine, I dunno, Trump, telling your daughter how beautiful she is, and how he'd like to date her when she turns 18.

Pretty innocent, right?

#95 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 12:54 PM | Reply

No you can't tell a 16-year-old girl she is "beautiful" when you're a grown-ass man.

#11 | POSTED BY RCADE

Should a "grown-ass man" refrain from saying that even if the girl is their own daughter or granddaughter? I think in that situation it's an obligation. I wish people would stop viewing the world as all or nothing.

#96 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-01-25 01:15 PM | Reply

95

I agree...

#97 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-25 01:16 PM | Reply

This whole thread makes me sad for our society. Don't worry, the time is coming when all human interaction will be virtual and you won't have to worry about it.

#98 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-25 01:35 PM | Reply

"There are a million ways a grown-ass man could say something polite to an underage girl without complimenting her for attractiveness."

Using the term beautiful doesn't imply sexual attraction. I can use the term to desribe a person, but I can also use it to describe an animal, a landscape, a painting...lots of things. That's different than using a word like "hot" or "sexy" to describe a person, because it explicitly implies sexual attraction. You would never refer to a horse or a cat or a painting as being "hot" or "sexy", would you?

#99 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-25 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I had older women comment on how handsome I was all the time when I was a teenager. Never felt there was anything lewd or predatory about it. Now I know better. #MeToo

#100 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-25 02:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Should a "grown-ass man" refrain from saying that even if the girl is their own daughter or granddaughter?

Taking the President as role model, you should go further and tell your daughter you'd date her if she wasn't your daughter.

Then you should hire a prostitute that looks almost as beautiful as your daughter.

Healthy, normal hetero male behavior.

#101 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 02:54 PM | Reply

"You would never refer to a horse or a cat or a painting as being "hot" or "sexy", would you?"

Allow me:

People laugh when I say that I think a jellyfish is one of the most beautiful things in the world. What they don't understand is, I mean a jellyfish with long, blonde hair.
--Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey

#102 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 02:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think some here have problem understanding. Telling a family member she's pretty or commenting on a photo that is shown to you is different. An old man looking at a group of girls and making comments to other old men about how they look is creepy .

#103 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-25 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Should a "grown-ass man" refrain from saying that even if the girl is their own daughter or granddaughter?

We weren't talking about how people speak to their own family members. Obviously a compliment from your parent is different than one from a 66-year-old damn fool Senator.

#104 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 03:02 PM | Reply

Personal observation: I have notice that when the word "attractive" is used in place of "beautiful" there usually is no ambiguity that the person is merely giving compliment and not being a sleaze. It is a very useful synonym.

#105 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-25 03:09 PM | Reply

#195
Attractive sounds even more creepy when describing young girls

#106 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-25 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If I tell a woman that she looks very attractive it is clear I am not hitting on her. If I tell her how beautiful or fine or hot she looks, it is not so clear.

#107 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-25 03:19 PM | Reply

How about, "She's beautiful; it's a shame she'll coarsen in a year."

Problematic for anyone who doesn't find the Senator's comments problematic?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-25 03:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If I tell a woman that she looks very attractive it is clear I am not hitting on her. If I tell her how beautiful or fine or hot she looks, it is not so clear.

#107 | POSTED BY MODER8

I see it the opposite. I think "attractive" is more likely to be construed as hitting on her than "beautiful".

#109 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-25 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ugly girls and women have been called "beautiful". Usually it's in reference to their inner beauty.

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-25 03:22 PM | Reply

Ugly girls and women have been called "beautiful". Usually it's in reference to their inner beauty.

Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-25 03:22 PM | Reply

Raises hand. It shore ain't my face doing it that's for damned sure. I have a face that would sink a thousand ships. LMFAO

#111 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-25 03:24 PM | Reply

If I tell a woman that she looks very attractive it is clear I am not hitting on her.

Is it, though? I'd treat that word the same as "beautiful" when deciding whether or not to say it to somebody.

I think complimenting somebody's outfit is less perilous than complimenting them in general.

I may not be typical, though. I generally sidehug people because I knew some guys who do the full-body hug to women and linger way too long. A sidehug over the shoulder leaves no questions about whether you're enjoying a hug a little too much.

#112 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 03:41 PM | Reply

"I think complimenting somebody's outfit is less perilous than complimenting them in general."

Yes, I was thinking that earlier. Telling someone, "That's a beautiful dress you're wearing" is different from saying "You're so beautiful."

#113 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-25 03:58 PM | Reply

I only comment on new hair-do's (hey, you've got a new "do"!"), or an obvious new outfit ("looking sharp!").
If they respond positively to that I expose myself and start jacking.

#114 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-01-25 04:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 10 | Newsworthy 1

I was just kidding about waiting for a positive response. I don't have the patience.

#115 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-01-25 04:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

Either way, I'm sure they appreciate someone coming along to change their flat tire.

#116 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-25 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

www.worldstopmost.com

Someone please tell Hollywood that they need to stop putting young girls out there in danger.

#117 | Posted by Petrous at 2018-01-25 05:07 PM | Reply

"I only comment on new hair-do's (hey, you've got a new "do"!"), or an obvious new outfit ("looking sharp!"). If they respond positively to that I expose myself and start jacking." - #114 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-01-25 04:18 PM

Quid pro quo, 101Chairborne style.

#118 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-25 05:15 PM | Reply

If I tell a woman that she looks very attractive it is clear I am not hitting on her. If I tell her how beautiful or fine or hot she looks, it is not so clear.

#107 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2018-01-25 03:19 PM

It would probably clear things up if you didn't drool when you said the latter.

#119 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-25 05:20 PM | Reply

If they respond positively to that I expose myself and start jacking.

I laughed so hard reading this I nearly choked to death at a Tropical Smoothie.

#120 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 06:53 PM | Reply

Tropical Smoothie.

#120 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-25 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Recipe please.

#121 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-25 06:58 PM | Reply

No normal person ever say, "hey that's an attractive car". I'd think, attractive for what purpose? On the other hand, if someone said "hey, that's beautiful car". I wouldn't assume they wanted to hump it.

#122 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-01-25 09:44 PM | Reply

Why is a 66 year old man defining girls by their appearance? Does he say the same about teen boys?

#123 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-01-26 12:34 AM | Reply

Why is a 66 year old man defining girls by their appearance? Does he say the same about teen boys?

#123 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

HIs comments about teen boys are probably much more lewd.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-26 12:41 AM | Reply

Recipe please.

Tropical Smoothie Cafe.

www.tropicalsmoothiecafe.com

#125 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-26 07:59 AM | Reply

Visitor_ can't tell the difference between cars and girls.

#126 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-26 07:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hey, whatever floats your boat.

www.facebook.com

#127 | Posted by sentinel at 2018-01-26 09:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Personally I could be called beautiful, pretty, or attractive. I will admit that I would consider you to be a liar but I would not be offended.

#128 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-26 11:01 AM | Reply

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