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Tuesday, January 23, 2018

A Michigan man was arrested after allegedly threatening to shoot and kill CNN employees, WGCL-TV reported Monday. The FBI launched an investigation after the man, who is unnamed in the CBS report, reportedly called CNN 22 times about a week ago. "Fake news. I'm coming to gun you all down," the man told a CNN operator, according to court documents obtained by WGCL-TV. He allegedly later called CNN again, saying, "I'm smarter than you. More powerful than you. I have more guns than you. More manpower. Your cast is about to get gunned down in a matter of hours." "I am coming to Georgia right now to go to the CNN headquarters to --- gun every single last one of you," he said. The FBI were able to trace the call and arrested the man over the threats.

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President Trump has repeatedly attacked the media, including CNN, calling coverage of himself and his administration "fake news." The network was among the winners of Trump's "Fake News Awards" last week.

Trump also retweeted out an edited GIF of him wrestling a man with the CNN logo superimposed on his head, as well as an image of him with what appeared to the CNN logo in a splatter of blood on the bottom of his shoe.

Journalists have criticized Trump's attacks on the media, and warning that him lashing out against the press could lead to actual acts of violence against reporters.

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Journalists have criticized Trump's attacks on the media, and warning that him lashing out against the press could lead to actual acts of violence against reporters.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Steve Schmidt‏ @SteveSchmidtSES

A terrorist attack targeting CNN was averted. Thank God. It was bad enough before, but the next time this President or any one in his WH engages in attacks on the FAKE NEWS AS ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE they do so with the full knowledge that the blood will be on their hands next time

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:29 AM | Reply

Journalists have criticized Trump's attacks on the media, and warning that him lashing out against the press could lead to actual acts of violence against reporters.

#1 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

I disagree with this on multiple fronts.

First off. unless similar attacks are ALSO going to be condemned, where was the outrage when, say, Family Research Council was attacked (it would have been a slaughter were it not for one brave security guard) with the intent of killing multiple people over opposition to gay marriage?

Or, the Steve Scalise shooting, which would have been much worse had it not been for some preventative firepower.

Please don't get me wrong - I find Trump's remarks to be very disturbing and troublesome/ Having said that, his comments pale in comparison with actions taken by the preceding administration - spying on journalists, etc.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:31 AM | Reply

"the Steve Scalise shooting,"

Wasn't that just a patriot, taking Rand Paul's retweet of Judge Nap seriously?

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"where was the outrage when, say, Family Research Council was attacked"

Well, since Obama wasn't suggesting anyone attack the FRC, or taking pains to point them out while calling them out...

...just what outrage were you expecting?

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

"in comparison with actions taken by the preceding administration"

Why the need to deflect to Obama at all, though?

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"First off. unless similar attacks are ALSO going to be condemned, where was the outrage when, say, Family Research Council was attacked (it would have been a slaughter were it not for one brave security guard) with the intent of killing multiple people over opposition to gay marriage? "

Why deflect to an unrelated lone wolf terror attack at all, though?

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

...just what outrage were you expecting?

#5 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Fair question.

When it comes to this thread - what outrage are you experiencing?

Before you answer...please know...I ask not to get you into a 'gotcha'. I am genuinely curious. I am trying to understand your POV.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:52 AM | Reply

"I disagree with this on multiple fronts."

Do you agree that "lashing out against the press could lead to actual acts of violence against reporters?"

Because if you don't agree, you're in very deep denial about the way the world works, and what it means that we have leaders, and that leaders have followers.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:52 AM | Reply

"Why deflect to an unrelated lone wolf terror attack at all, though?"

Especially one on a group that the former president never singled out as "an enemy of the state".

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Why the need to deflect to Obama at all, though?

#6 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Fair question.

My apologies.

Please forgive my deflection...

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:54 AM | Reply

"where was the outrage when, say, Family Research Council was attacked"

What were people supposed to be outraged about, can it be the existence of the Second Amendment that allows this sort of nonsense to occur? Or would that not count?

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:55 AM | Reply

"When it comes to this thread - what outrage are you experiencing?"

Just at you, for comparing an unrelated attack on the FRC with repeated provocations of attacks on reporters by our current WH resident.

#13 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 12:59 AM | Reply

Just at you, for comparing an unrelated attack on the FRC with repeated provocations of attacks on reporters by our current WH resident.

#13 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Has Trump called for physical harm of any reporter?

I seriously hope you aren't justifying the Scales shooting. It was a highly partisan act.

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I seriously hope you aren't justifying the Scales shooting. It was a highly partisan act."

Not according to Rand's retweet of Judge Nap.

@Judgenap: Why do we have a Second Amendment? It's not to shoot deer. It's to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical!

The guy was just being a patriot, with the seriously held belief he was fighting tyranny, right? "Murica!

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:08 AM | Reply

"Has Trump called for physical harm of any reporter?"

Is that the red line that has to be crossed, before you can condemn Trump?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:09 AM | Reply

"Has Trump called for physical harm of any reporter? "

You have GOT to be kidding.
talkingpointsmemo.com
www.newsweek.com

#17 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:12 AM | Reply

"Is that the red line that has to be crossed, before you can condemn Trump?"

Nah, at that point he'd bring up Obama "ramming something down our throats".

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:14 AM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

So, Scalise deserved to be shot and killed because of something Ran Paul said?

That is a horrible thing to say.

#19 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:15 AM | Reply

"So, Scalise deserved to be shot and killed because of something Ran Paul said?"

You're trying to do Goatman here?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Scalise deserved to be shot and killed because of something Ran Paul said?"

No, not at all.

My whole (sarcastic) point was regarding the asinine comment by Judge Nap, retweeted by Rand Paul. If they really believed it, wouldn't their reactions be the same as what I posted? I mean, if you're not going to stand by your comment that people need guns to shoot at a tyrannical government right after someone shot at what he believed to be a tyrannical government, what's the point?

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:20 AM | Reply

I disagree with this on multiple fronts.
First off. unless similar attacks are ALSO going to be condemned, where was the outrage when, say, Family Research Council was attacked (it would have been a slaughter were it not for one brave security guard) with the intent of killing multiple people over opposition to gay marriage?
Or, the Steve Scalise shooting, which would have been much worse had it not been for some preventative firepower.
Please don't get me wrong - I find Trump's remarks to be very disturbing and troublesome/ Having said that, his comments pale in comparison with actions taken by the preceding administration - spying on journalists, etc.

#3 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Dude. ---- off.

This steaming pile of ---- is why your a joke.

And don't play all indignant. Please don't get me wrong...well I never....bless his heart...BUT...

Just say you agree and own your view. No one is buying the charade.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 01:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Has Trump called for physical harm of any reporter?

The CNN wrestling tweet?

Labeling them the "enemy of the people".

Stop being obtuse. It's starting to look intentional.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Has Trump called for physical harm of any reporter? "
You have GOT to be kidding.
talkingpointsmemo.com
www.newsweek.com

#17 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

He made irresponsible comments. He did NOT advocate physical harm, but his comments were incendiary. What about his actions? Has he taken things to the next level? Has he wiretapped AP phones? Has he named a CNN reporter and investigative journalist a "co-conspirator" in order to spy not only on this reporter, but on his family members as well?

Bad is bad. Period. Wrong is wrong, Period . You do a fantastic job of pointing out GOP failings. Having said that, you NEVER seem to acknowledge Dem failings. Ever. I cited prior examples solely to better understand your POV. This is directed at you and you alone. No 'gotcha' - just fleshing out your POV.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:26 AM | Reply

Danforth,

PLEASE know that I am trying to fully understand your POV. That's it. If we end up disagreeing...so be it. Hardly the first time :-)

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:30 AM | Reply

#25

Please ignore #24 - Weak on my part.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:31 AM | Reply

"He did NOT advocate physical harm, but his comments were incendiary."

Distinction without a difference, if you're on the sharp end of the stick. You sound like incendiary isn't enough until some burns to death.

"What about his actions? "

You mean aside from his lying, money-laundering, ripping people off, obstructing justice, and being a general racist?

"Has he taken things to the next level?"

Yes. By mainstreaming the hate. Good people on both sides, don'tcha know.
www.newyorker.com
fortune.com
thinkprogress.org

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 01:38 AM | Reply

Danforth,

Have a great evening.

Even though we usually disagree I always enjoy our discussions.

Take care...

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:38 AM | Reply

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:39 AM | Reply

#29 vanished. Sorry about that....

You mean aside from his lying, money-laundering, ripping people off, obstructing justice, and being a general racist?

Come on! Those are his good qualities! :-)

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:41 AM | Reply

JEFF

"I find Trump's remarks to be very disturbing and troublesome."

Sure you do, Jeff. BTW, could you possibly be any more milquetoast ~ LOL?

In a couple years maybe you could notch it up to annoyed?

#31 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-23 04:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

At his rallies, Trump calls reporters, who are kept in pens, such things as: "scum" and "among the worst human beings in the world."

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 10:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You all don't get where Jeffyj and the rest of the "constitutionalists" are coming fro. OBAMA sugesting healthy lunches and proper tire inflation was a threat to democracy
Trump attacking one of the pillars of democracy is no big deal

#33 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeff - Look it's like the cadre of Right wing nut jobs who created Pizza Gate and when it went viral how an idiot showed up to "make things right". Words have power.

When you are irresponsible and hostile with your words there are all too often consequences. Look around the world for other countries where hostility from leadership has lead to violence against the press and others.

#34 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-23 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He made irresponsible comments. He did NOT advocate physical harm, but his comments were incendiary.
#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Do you really not see how this could stir up certain elements to launch violent attacks on certain news companies? Are you really that dense?

#35 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 11:42 AM | Reply

Are we going back to the whole 'Sarah Palin was responsible for the Giffords shooting' meme?

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 11:45 AM | Reply

No, that was a one-off.

Trump is a repeat offender.

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-23 11:52 AM | Reply

Are we going back to the whole 'Sarah Palin was responsible for the Giffords shooting' meme?

#36 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

The commonly used rhetoric created a narrative for people. Say it was, it gets shrugged off. Make it a campaign and political theme, it becomes a way of life. If you can't grasp how people are effected by these things, you probably aren't smart enough to be posting on this topic.

#38 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 11:55 AM | Reply

The commonly used rhetoric created a narrative for people. Say it was, it gets shrugged off. Make it a campaign and political theme, it becomes a way of life. If you can't grasp how people are effected by these things, you probably aren't smart enough to be posting on this topic.

#38 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Democrats and left-wing pundits use hate-filled rhetoric all of the time. Spare me your faux outrage.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 11:56 AM | Reply

Do you agree that "lashing out against the press could lead to actual acts of violence against reporters?"

^
If you won't answer the question, JeffJ, then you're just being a bitch.

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:01 PM | Reply

Democrats and left-wing pundits use hate-filled rhetoric all of the time. Spare me your faux outrage.

#39 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

No, they don't. Stop lying and deflecting, Snowflake.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 12:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If these things happen the DR right will lay the blame for this sort of **** where it belongs:

1. If they load the gun, put it in the person's hands, stand behind them so they can manipulate their arms and aim for them, then help them pull the trigger

2. Literally nothing else

#42 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-23 12:12 PM | Reply

No, they don't. Stop lying and deflecting, Snowflake.

#41 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

They do it all of the time. Like I said, spare me your double-standard, faux outrage.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:13 PM | Reply

People are responsible for their own actions.

You guys are trying to score political points. Nothing more. It's lame.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 12:14 PM | Reply

If these things happen the DR right will concede that the toxic rhetoric from their side at least had a little bit to do with this sort of thing:

1. If they load the gun, put it in the person's hands, stand behind them so they can manipulate their arms and aim for them, then help them pull the trigger

2. Literally nothing else

#42 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Fixed.

#45 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-23 12:16 PM | Reply

"You guys are trying to score political points"

You seem to have lost your pocket constitution. conveniently

#46 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 12:22 PM | Reply

NBC News' Katy Tur had to be protected by the Secret Service after Donald Trump called her out, pointing his finger at her and "launching a personal attack as millions of Americans watched at home."

Here's what Tur reports she gets daily on social media, "The wave of insults, harassment, and threats, via various social-media feeds, hasn't stopped since. Many of the attacks are unprintable."

Including a death threat:

"MAYBE A FEW JOURNALISTS DO NEED TO BE WHACKED," tweeted someone with the handle GuyScott33, two weeks after Trump lashed out. "MAYBE THEN THEYD STOP BEI[N]G BIASED HACKS. KILL EM ALL STARTING W/ KATY TUR."

www.politicususa.com

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"People are responsible for their own actions."

JeffJ is responsible for not answering #40.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 12:24 PM | Reply

Here was Katy Tur of NBC's tweet describing the situation at a Trump rally in Virginia:

Katy Tur @KatyTurNBC
Trump trashes press. Crowd jeers. Guy by press 'pen' looks at us & screams "you're a bitch!" Other gentleman gives cameras the double bird.
5:12 PM - Feb 21, 2016

Fox's Megyn Kelly retweeted Tur:

Megyn Kelly @megynkelly
Enough. Seriously.
5:42 PM - Feb 21, 2016


Chuck Todd @chucktodd
The campaign rhetoric needs to be ratcheted back. This is outrageous and dangerous behavior
5:29 PM - Feb 21, 2016

www.politicususa.com

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:28 PM | Reply

Every time there is a mass shooting now, Congress and the Admin say "now is not the time to talk about it"

#50 | Posted by Badcat at 2018-01-23 12:30 PM | Reply

"MOST TERRORISTS IN THE U.S. ARE RIGHT WING, NOT MUSLIM: REPORT"

www.newsweek.com

#51 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-23 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You guys are trying to score political points. Nothing more. It's lame."

Trump repeatedly appeals to the worst in human nature in order to score political points. Unfortunately, it's not lame, and it is dangerous.

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You guys are trying to score political points. Nothing more. It's lame."

Says the ----- who for 8 years whined and cried that OBAMAs Birth Certificate was a fake, for cheap political points

HARHAR~

#53 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 12:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

CNN literally sucks trump's dick #2 after FOX. Why are conservatives so against them instead of more accurate news stations?

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-23 12:48 PM | Reply

"People are responsible for their own actions."

People should also be responsible for their own words, especially when that person is running for, and then becomes, POTUS.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 12:58 PM | Reply

Floyd Lee Corkins stated that he targeted the Family Research Council because SPLC said they were anti-gay.

Is SPLC to blame? Nope.

#56 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:08 PM | Reply

"Is SPLC to blame?"

If I remember correctly you blamed all this on OBAMA at the time

You know, "most divisive president ever", bla, bla, bla.

I think you even wrote that OBAMA was "going to get someone hurt".

Oh how things change -- when you are out for cheap political points

#57 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#57 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Hey look, my schizoid stalker is back.

You don't remember correctly. I didn't blame the FRC shooting on Obama, nor did I blame it on SPLC. I blamed it on Corkins because he was the actual assailant.

As for Obama, I'll point to the Giffords shooting. After 3 days of the left baselessly blaming the right for her shooting and the right pointing fingers right back, in one of the finer moments of his presidency Obama delivered a unifying speech about the shooting and both sides immediately stopped pointing fingers at one another.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:21 PM | Reply

"You don't remember correctly"

You are a liar

#59 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 01:25 PM | Reply

59

You're a troll who shouldn't even be here, drunken savage.

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-23 01:28 PM | Reply

You are a liar
#59 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

You must have confused me for Coconservative, or Redneckville or one of the other personalities that occupies that degenerate brain of yours.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:28 PM | Reply

"What, besides stupid name calling? "

Come on now.....if it weren't for that, some folks here wouldn't have anything to say.

Posted by eberly at 2018-01-23 09:02

#62 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 01:28 PM | Reply

Ebs,

I think he's a schizoid.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:29 PM | Reply

"degenerate brain of yours"

at least I don't have to live in your miserable compulsive lying and disingenuous skin

#64 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-23 01:31 PM | Reply

what a sap. all he does is call names and then when someone condescends to speak to the savage....he cries about being called a name.

what a ---------.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-23 01:33 PM | Reply

I think that fool has plonked everybody except 10-12 posters including Jeff and I and he just chases us around thread after thread. He couldn't care less what the subject is or what are even saying.....it's not like he could keep up in any conversation anyhow.

Geez....not even the worst rabid idiotic partisans on this place give him the time of the day.

#66 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-23 01:35 PM | Reply

well, maybe laura and indianjackass are willing to flag something written by cocopsychoville as funny or newsworthy.

but that's as close as even they'll get to that walking fleabag.

#67 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-23 01:37 PM | Reply

"I didn't blame the FRC shooting on Obama, nor did I blame it on SPLC. I blamed it on Corkins because he was the actual assailant."

Keep going with this. If some Muslim cleric calls for Death to America, that's perfectly fine, even if it leads to some crazy person acting out?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 01:44 PM | Reply

Ebs,

You are cracking me up

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:46 PM | Reply

I will keep going with it. Our elected politicians are not radical jihadists and they aren't calling for the death of their political opponents. But then, you and equivalence don't have a very good relationship.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:50 PM | Reply

@70 cause locking them up is as far as trump has the guts to sat

#71 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-23 01:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#68 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Do you blame the FRC shooting on SPLC?

How about the Scalise shooting? Who do you blame that on?

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:59 PM | Reply

Yeah, see cause there's no such thing as people in power instigating violence with their hate rhetoric.

Gimme a break.

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-23 02:01 PM | Reply

I will keep going with it. Our elected politicians are not radical jihadists and they aren't calling for the death of their political opponents. But then, you and equivalence don't have a very good relationship.

Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 01:50 PM | Reply

Sarah Palin and Sharron Angle say you're wrong.

#74 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-23 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Do you blame the FRC shooting on SPLC?
How about the Scalise shooting? Who do you blame that on?"

Blaming people isn't very productive.
I tend not to worry about blame too much.
But as I said upstream, our political leaders who can't find a way to rein in gun violence absolutely bear some responsibility for our incredibly high rate of gun violence.

See, when you blame the shooter, you overlook things like, there are so many more shootings here than in the rest of the modern world. In fact, I think that's why you blame the shooter and no one else. Your rather not see the forest for all the trees. You deny the existence of the forest, practically. Just like you won't answer #40 or #68.

You gonna answer #40 or #68?

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 02:12 PM | Reply

But as I said upstream, our political leaders who can't find a way to rein in gun violence

They are very limited by the 2nd Amendment. Guns cannot be banned in this country. The 2nd Amendment prohibits it. That is political reality.

Laura,

Giffords' shooter wasn't incited. He was an obsessed stalker and his motivation had nothing to do with politics.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:17 PM | Reply

I already addressed #68.

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:17 PM | Reply

I already addressed #68.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:17 PM | Reply

Of course people can be incited to violence. That you think Trump's rhetoric rises to that level, is pretty ridiculous.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:18 PM | Reply

-That you think Trump's rhetoric rises to that level, is pretty ridiculous.

That you pretend it doesn't is more ridiculous. We saw it multiple times during his campaign.

And we saw the KKK and the Nazis take his rhetoric as a green light to take the hoods off.

www.google.com

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-23 02:23 PM | Reply

When you demonize a person or a group of people, you make them less than human. When you make them less than human you are shining a green light that it is okay to hurt them. Donald Trump has been consistently demonizing CNN as fake news and liars. Even though they are not. To that degree, yes, Trump has been inciting violence against his perceived enemies.

#81 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

When you demonize a person or a group of people, you make them less than human.

I don't see the logical jump to this:

When you make them less than human you are shining a green light that it is okay to hurt them.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Think what the Nazis did to the Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

Also what Republicans are doing to the Latin Americans, South Asians, Middle Easterners, etc.

#83 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-23 02:34 PM | Reply

Come on JeffJ. You are not a child. You know how it goes. First start with the propaganda and the insults and the bogus criticism of those you oppose, and then watch quietly from the sidelines as your supporters ratchet it up. Which, appropriately enough, is exactly what is happening with this case involving threats to murder CNN employees.

#84 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 02:36 PM | Reply

No, they don't. Stop lying and deflecting, Snowflake.

#41 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
They do it all of the time. Like I said, spare me your double-standard, faux outrage.

#43 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Show us. Seriously, show us where this is happening.

And spare me your garbage about the SPLC. You've got Conservatives targeting the LGBT community. You've got people murdering them. So no one had to encourage anyone to target the SLPC.

But show us that violent language coming from Liberal and Progressive leaders.

Seriously, we'll wait, snowflake. Show us the patter.

#85 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:37 PM | Reply

When you demonize a person or a group of people, you make them less than human.
I don't see the logical jump to this:
When you make them less than human you are shining a green light that it is okay to hurt them.

#82 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Then you're a moron and there is no point to argue with you.

#86 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:39 PM | Reply

People are responsible for their own actions.
You guys are trying to score political points. Nothing more. It's lame.

#44 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Did not the Dotard just proclaim Democratic leadership of being complicit in crimes committed by immigrants?

Was BLOTUS just scoring political points? I ask, cause I dont see you calling him out, Lil Jeffy.

Why is that?

#87 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-23 02:40 PM | Reply

"I already addressed #68."

I must have missed it.

Please go ahead and address #40 and #68 right here.

#88 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 02:40 PM | Reply

Seriously, we'll wait, snowflake. Show us the patter.

#85 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

It's funny that you keep calling me a snowflake when it is you has gotten your panties all twisted.

#89 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:41 PM | Reply

#76

The 2nd amendment was written by soave owning, genocidal, pedophiles.

#90 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-23 02:43 PM | Reply

Seriously, we'll wait, snowflake. Show us the patter.

#85 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT
It's funny that you keep calling me a snowflake when it is you has gotten your panties all twisted.

#89 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I know, right? Who would care about people threatening to shoot up news agencies because the President is waging a war on reporters and idiots like you give him a pass? Caring about human lives is so yesterday, right?

#91 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#76
The 2nd amendment was written by slave owning, genocidal, pedophiles.

#90 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD

Fixed.

#92 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-23 02:44 PM | Reply

How about the Scalise shooting? Who do you blame that on?

#72 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Pro-gun puppet of the NRA votes to let insane people buy firearms then gets shot by an insane person? I blame scalise; he owns it.

#93 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-23 02:45 PM | Reply

People are responsible for their own actions.
You guys are trying to score political points. Nothing more. It's lame.
#44 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
Did not the Dotard just proclaim Democratic leadership of being complicit in crimes committed by immigrants?
Was BLOTUS just scoring political points? I ask, cause I dont see you calling him out, Lil Jeffy.
Why is that?
#87 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

So hypothetical question: If I hired someone to kill JeffJ, I couldn't be charged with murder because my motivating them doesn't matter and they are ultimately "responsible for their own actions," right?

JeffJ doesn't live in reality. In lives in a fantasy world.

#94 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:46 PM | Reply

How about the Scalise shooting? Who do you blame that on?
#72 | POSTED BY JEFFJ
Pro-gun puppet of the NRA votes to let insane people buy firearms then gets shot by an insane person? I blame scalise; he owns it.
#93 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Still waiting on that long list of Democrats and well known liberals calling for violence and demonizing the Right as less than human...

#95 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:47 PM | Reply

Here are some quotes:

(CBS News) DANVILLE, Va. -- Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday told a diverse crowd here, including many African-Americans, that presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney would "put you all back in chains" by unshackling Wall Street.

www.cbsnews.com

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) warned Americans that " Republicans want you to die quickly"

www.politico.com

I can't remember his name, so I can't find the exact quote - a congressional Democrat told a mostly black audience that congressional Republicans literally want them hanging in trees.

Dean has suggested that they are "evil." That they are "corrupt." He called them "brain-dead" during a stop in Toronto -- and while the Terri Schiavo case was still in the news. He has tagged Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) as a "liar." Last week, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported that he mimicked a "drug-snorting Rush Limbaugh" at an event there.

www.washingtonpost.com

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:48 PM | Reply

So hypothetical question: If I hired someone to kill JeffJ, I couldn't be charged with murder because my motivating them doesn't matter and they are ultimately "responsible for their own actions," right? - Syco

You are worse at equivalence than Snoofy, and that is really saying something.

How do you equate accusations of "Fake News!" with taking a contract out on someone?

#97 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:50 PM | Reply

#96 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That's not exactly demonizing, buddy. I'm not sure you understand the difference between Trump and what Biden, Grayson and Dean said and how they said it...

How old are you again?

#98 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:50 PM | Reply

Pro-gun puppet of the NRA votes to let insane people buy firearms then gets shot by an insane person? I blame scalise; he owns it.

#93 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

You're not alone. Poor bastard got what he deserved, right? Are you sad that he didn't die?

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:51 PM | Reply

So hypothetical question: If I hired someone to kill JeffJ, I couldn't be charged with murder because my motivating them doesn't matter and they are ultimately "responsible for their own actions," right?" - Syco
You are worse at equivalence than Snoofy, and that is really saying something.
How do you equate accusations of "Fake News!" with taking a contract out on someone?

#97 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

And the liar comes out.

You know very well he didn't just say Fake News. He said a lot worse. He will even point at them and say worse.

Its useless to debate with you because you just lie and deny very basic facts and human psychology. I'm bored of you.

#100 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:53 PM | Reply

That's not exactly demonizing,

Oh really? Telling black people that Republicans are so horrible they want you in chains and hanging from trees is a HELL of a lot more demonizing than "Fake News!"

Telling people that the GOP wants them to die quickly is a pretty horrible thing to say. It's much more horrible than "Fake news!"

Here's a dollar, please buy some perspective.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:53 PM | Reply

You know very well he didn't just say Fake News.

Correct. He also called them "an enemy of the American people", which is a horrible thing to say.

But I'm guessing you are totally cool with the comments I posted (countless others exist).

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:55 PM | Reply

'Less Than Human': The Psychology Of Cruelty

During the Holocaust, Nazis referred to Jews as rats. Hutus involved in the Rwanda genocide called Tutsis cockroaches. Slave owners throughout history considered slaves subhuman animals. In Less Than Human, David Livingstone Smith argues that it's important to define and describe dehumanization, because it's what opens the door for cruelty and genocide.

"We all know, despite what we see in the movies," Smith tells NPR's Neal Conan, "that it's very difficult, psychologically, to kill another human being up close and in cold blood, or to inflict atrocities on them." So, when it does happen, it can be helpful to understand what it is that allows human beings "to overcome the very deep and natural inhibitions they have against treating other people like game animals or vermin or dangerous predators."

www.npr.org

#103 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 02:57 PM | Reply

"How do you equate accusations of "Fake News!" with taking a contract out on someone?"

Oh so when there is money involved, now you'll blame someone other than the shooter?

Explain the double standard.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 02:58 PM | Reply

Did not the Dotard just proclaim Democratic leadership of being complicit in crimes committed by immigrants?
Was BLOTUS just scoring political points? I ask, cause I dont see you calling him out, Lil Jeffy.
Why is that?

#87 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

He absolutely did. And it was a horrible thing to say. If Democrats didn't use the exact same language, often, you'd have a case.

Every time the Dems make a new push for gun control measures after a shooting where the dead bodies are still warm, this kind of rhetoric is employed.

You guys just don't like the double standard being put back on you (not directed at Moder8).

#105 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 02:59 PM | Reply

Oh so when there is money involved, now you'll blame someone other than the shooter?
Explain the double standard.

#104 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The shooter and the person paying are responsible in the case of a contract. You're being ridiculous.

#106 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:00 PM | Reply

Also a lot worse than "fake news":

At his rallies, Trump calls reporters, who are kept in pens, such things as: "scum" and "among the worst human beings in the world."

#107 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:00 PM | Reply

This is an aspect of the Trump presidency that I feared and it is one of the reasons I didn't vote for him.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:00 PM | Reply

JeffJ, I am a little disappointed in you. I think if you take a step back, take a deep breath, and think about it, you will recognize the types of false equivalence you are engaging in. There is a big difference between an insulting statement and a dehumanizing statement.

#109 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Per is 19 years old, living with his parents, and already got warned not to make calls like this.

His parents are going to learn the hard way what happens when their idiot whelp says in public what they say in private where no one will disprove their claims of toughness by knocking them senseless.

#110 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-23 03:01 PM | Reply

There is a big difference between an insulting statement and a dehumanizing statement.

#109 | POSTED BY MODER8

Ok. Would Howard Dean calling Republicans "evil" constitute a dehumanizing statement?

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:02 PM | Reply

Mod8,

So you are making a distinction between, "enemy of the people" and "they literally want you to hang from trees".

Can you elaborate? I am genuinely trying to understand your POV.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:03 PM | Reply

Ok. Would Howard Dean calling Republicans "evil" constitute a dehumanizing statement?

Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:02 PM | Reply

Nope.

#113 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-23 03:03 PM | Reply

"The shooter and the person paying are responsible in the case of a contract."

You haven't explained why.

Certainly that contract is unenforceable, and illegal.

So... why?

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 03:04 PM | Reply

The thing about Trump is that he didn't make his dehumanizing statements about reporters once or twice but repeatedly. They were a constant staple of his campaign rhetoric. Repetition is a key component of propaganda and of the dehumanization process.

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It is all about context and repetition. Calling someone a liar or a drug snorter or evil on one occasion is probably inappropriate. But it is a far cry from constantly banging the drum with an emotional false allegation against a single target. Because that is what Trump has been engaging in. He didn't say it once or twice and let it drop. Calling CNN purveyors of Fakenews has become his mantra. He is the POTUS for crying out loud.

#116 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 03:11 PM | Reply

Did not the Dotard just proclaim Democratic leadership of being complicit in crimes committed by immigrants?
Was BLOTUS just scoring political points? I ask, cause I dont see you calling him out, Lil Jeffy.
Why is that?

#87 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR
He absolutely did. And it was a horrible thing to say. If Democrats didn't use the exact same language, often, you'd have a case

Jeff, did you call him out at the time?

Why not?

#117 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-23 03:14 PM | Reply

Poor bastard got what he deserved, right? Are you sad that he didn't die?

#99 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

He almost did. Yes I am a bit sad he lived. His death would have been poetic justice for his selfish politics and a wake-up call to his equally corrupt GOP brethren.

Ok. Would Howard Dean calling Republicans "evil" constitute a dehumanizing statement?

#111 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

No, being republican is a choice. A choice that requires subscription to evil. If you willingly give up your humanity, you can't complain about your own dehumanization.

#118 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-23 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jeff, did you call him out at the time?

Yes. I find Trump to be a disgusting human being. He's unfit for, and demeans, the office he holds.

It is all about context and repetition. Calling someone a liar or a drug snorter or evil on one occasion is probably inappropriate. But it is a far cry from constantly banging the drum with an emotional false allegation against a single target. Because that is what Trump has been engaging in. He didn't say it once or twice and let it drop. Calling CNN purveyors of Fakenews has become his mantra. He is the POTUS for crying out loud.

#116 | POSTED BY MODER8

Fair point.

The thing about Trump is that he didn't make his dehumanizing statements about reporters once or twice but repeatedly. They were a constant staple of his campaign rhetoric. Repetition is a key component of propaganda and of the dehumanization process.

#115 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Same point as Moder8 and also fair.

#119 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:24 PM | Reply

"(CBS News) DANVILLE, Va. -- Vice President Joe Biden on Tuesday told a diverse crowd here, including many African-Americans, that presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney would "put you all back in chains" by unshackling Wall Street."

Biden was using that as a metaphor, and you know what? He was probably right about the GOP in general, if not Romney in particular:

Trump may weaken 'outdated' rules that force banks to lend to the poor

money.cnn.com

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) warned Americans that " Republicans want you to die quickly"

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the GOP's position on healthcare coverage for everyone, but especially the poor and those with pre-existing conditions. Comparable I'd say to the GOP's use of "death panels" to describe the ACA.

#121 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:33 PM | Reply

Do #114 while you're at it!

If I offered you nothing more than money to commit a crime, now it's partially my fault?

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Does this only apply to money? What if I offered you fame?

What if I offered to pay your legal bills if you had to get a little bit rough with a protester at a political rally?

#122 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 03:34 PM | Reply

"death panels" to describe the ACA.

Death panels was a nickname attached to IPAB.

Also, the creation of a death panel doesn't ascribe a motive of actively wanting people to die, as Grayson suggested.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If I offered you nothing more than money to commit a crime, now it's partially my fault?

If someone hired a hitman to kill someone, who goes to prison- the hitman or the person who hired them?

Both of them. It is very common for hitmen to turn out to be police officers or otherwise under cover agents. Also, hitmen commonly will turn on those who hired them, sometimes before they commit the crime, sometimes after, when they get caught.

Assuming the hitman commits the murder, he will be charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder. The person who hires him will be charged with conspiracy to commit murder and murder.


www.quora.com

#124 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:37 PM | Reply

"I can't remember his name, so I can't find the exact quote - a congressional Democrat told a mostly black audience that congressional Republicans literally want them hanging in trees."

It's definitely wrong to accuse all Republicans in that way. Kind of like Hillary calling all Trump voters "deplorables". Nope, only some of them are. And, yes, Trump's KKK and Neo-Nazis supporters do wish harm on black people.

#125 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:38 PM | Reply

Biden was using that as a metaphor

Biden was race-baiting and doing so in a truly disgusting fashion.

#126 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:38 PM | Reply

#125

I just wish I could remember his name. It's just beyond my reach.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:39 PM | Reply

"Also, the creation of a death panel doesn't ascribe a motive of actively wanting people to die, as Grayson suggested."

Sure, it does. Death panels were depicted as wanting people to die to save money on healthcare costs.

#128 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't you love how the perp pretends to be all big, bad, and the leader of a well armed military force and it turns out he's a pathetic teenager that just about anyone at CNN could beat up?

#129 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-23 03:41 PM | Reply

I found it: Andre Carson

Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC's chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress would "love to see us as second-class citizens" and "some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree."

www.politico.com

#130 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:41 PM | Reply

"Also, the creation of a death panel doesn't ascribe a motive of actively wanting people to die, as Grayson suggested."

Sure it does.

The motivation for creating a Death Panel is to decide who lives and who dies.

There is literally no other thing a Death Panel could do, JeffJ.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#130 His comment isn't as bad as I thought. He says "some in Congress". I bet there are "some".

#132 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:44 PM | Reply

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) fired his latest salvo at Republicans on Wednesday evening, calling them "the enemy of America."

thehill.com

#133 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 03:45 PM | Reply

#124 Now do if I offer to pay your legal bills for forcibly removing a person from an event.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-23 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

An amazing number of Republicans like to run their mouth on the internet because in real life their words get them fired by the adults in society.

#135 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-23 03:49 PM | Reply

"Biden was race-baiting and doing so in a truly disgusting fashion."

He would only have been race-baiting if GOP policies weren't intended to disenfranchise minorities, but many of their policies are designed to do just that.

"Rep. Andre Carson, a Democrat from Indiana who serves as the CBC's chief vote counter, said at a CBC event in Miami that some in Congress would "love to see us as second-class citizens" and "some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree."

You have to remember around that time there were dummies that looked like Obama that people strung up in the trees in their front yards. Most of the people who did that were tea party patriots. It wouldn't be a leap to believe "some" of the tea party Congressmen shared their supporters' sentiments.

#136 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Jeffry defending the actions of the Nazi right. Color me not surprised!
Jeffry, a word of advice. When you are in a hole, quit digging.

#137 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-23 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Monson,

You are a lousy troll.

At least try to be funny.

#138 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 04:05 PM | Reply

He would only have been race-baiting if GOP policies weren't intended to disenfranchise minorities,

That's like saying she only said 'death panels' because Democrats were trying to save money through the creation of IPAB in ACA.

Biden's comment was race-baiting because of the verbiage he consciously chose to use. Had he said, 'They want to tap your wallet' it wouldn't have been race-baiting. "They want y'all back in chains" is race-baiting.

#139 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 04:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

CNN are government gatekeepers. I couldn't care less for their "news", which often ignores the real issues and focus on inflated fake topics. 9/11 was such a fiasco I will never forgive any false reporting because there is an obvious operation at work.

Where is their investigations into the put options, the gold heist, the Pentagons obvious lies, any of it?! NIST omitting building 7 data was never questioned, investigated or explained. CNN is a one of the governments many criminal intelligence bureau.

#140 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-23 04:14 PM | Reply

"Biden's comment was race-baiting because of the verbiage he consciously chose to use. Had he said, 'They want to tap your wallet' it wouldn't have been race-baiting. "They want y'all back in chains" is race-baiting."

Nah. If someone said, "They want y'all barefoot and pregnant" when talking about the anti-choice movement's push for abstinence only education, it wouldn't be sex-baiting.

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 04:20 PM | Reply

Where is their investigations into the put options, the gold heist, the Pentagons obvious lies, any of it?! NIST omitting building 7 data was never questioned, investigated or explained. CNN is a one of the governments many criminal intelligence bureau.

#140 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2018-01-23 04:14 PM |

They only investigate things that are based in fact.

But keep listening to the conspiracy sites. They need people like you to make a living

#142 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-23 04:34 PM | Reply

www.popularmechanics.com

CNN doesn't deserve most of the hate it gets from the right for the crime of not being part of the GOP.

#143 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-23 04:37 PM | Reply

Kind of like Hillary calling all Trump voters "deplorables". Nope, only some of them are. And, yes, Trump's KKK and Neo-Nazis supporters do wish harm on black people.
#125 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. Deplorable was a euphemism. They are all worse than deplorable.

#144 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-23 04:37 PM | Reply

Jones is the smartest person in the world, just ask him.

#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 04:55 PM | Reply

Monson,
You are a lousy troll.
At least try to be funny.

#138 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Hey Jeffry, you are projecting. Don't you have some white sheets and hoods to wash, before your "rally". Rube!

#146 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-23 06:50 PM | Reply

Where is their investigations into the put options, the gold heist, the Pentagons obvious lies, any of it?! NIST omitting building 7 data was never questioned, investigated or explained. CNN is a one of the governments many criminal intelligence bureau.
#140 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2018-01-23 04:14 PM |
They only investigate things that are based in fact.
But keep listening to the conspiracy sites. They need people like you to make a living
#142 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-23 04:34 PM

You should consider moving to the US before condemning our conspiracies - they are THE BEST conspiracies using THE BEST lies. 9/11 was an inside job - so is your weather, smart guy.

#147 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-23 07:32 PM | Reply

146 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

Much better. I chuckled. Well done.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-23 07:40 PM | Reply

Guy who threatened CNN reporters was a fan of Hitler:

Michigan man accused of threatening to attack CNN identified with Hitler, former classmate says

The man who federal authorities say threatened to kill CNN employees had declared in high school that he identified with Adolf Hitler and suggested "the Holocaust was exaggerated," according to a former classmate.

That description of Brandon Griesemer's behavior in high school emerged after the FBI accused him of placing menacing phone calls to CNN, describing the news organization as "fake news" and vowing to carry out a massacre at its Atlanta offices. The FBI also said in court documents that Griesemer made "disparaging remarks regarding Jewish individuals" during one call and, months before threatening CNN, called a Michigan mosque and "made derogatory comments relating to the mosque and Muslims."

www.msn.com

#149 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 07:55 PM | Reply

No wonder he identifies with Trump.

#150 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-01-23 09:52 PM | Reply

When you demonize a person or a group of people, you make them less than human. When you make them less than human you are shining a green light that it is okay to hurt them. - #81 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 02:23 PM

So, do you agree that many of the posters on this very website incite violence against republicans? I hope you flag the moderator to remove when you see all of those calls for violence.

Shining a light on Republican cockroaches - #8 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-22 02:05 PM
Republicans are scum. - #8 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-23 12:52 AM
Republicans are frightened scum. - #9 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-23 03:39 AM
I'll pick up the slack: Republicans are scum - #21 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-01-24 05:51 AM

Republicans just don't want all Americans to have healthcare, they want people to be helpless when they are sick and then want to just watch them die. #14 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-24 07:28 AM

No, being republican is a choice. A choice that requires subscription to evil. If you willingly give up your humanity, you can't complain about your own dehumanization. - Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-23 03:16 PM

I really like that the last one comes in this very thread.

#151 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 09:44 AM | Reply

When pretty much anyone brings up "race baiting" I usually just ignore their posts as dishonest attempts to disparage honorable people, and JeffJ's accusations make me realize that my policy is correct. Race baiting is a term generally only used by racists.

#152 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-24 09:59 AM | Reply

Still waiting on that long list of Democrats and well known liberals calling for violence and demonizing the Right as less than human... - #95 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:47 PM

If you are a Republican, you are also a piece of ----. It doesn't matter what you believe. It's like belonging to the Klan. No redeeming qualities you may possess could save you from the guilt of being associated with the group. - Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-11 10:53 PM

Republicans said gay marriage would lead to pedophilia. Apparently being a Republican leads to pedophilia. - Posted by Sycophant at 2017-12-06 02:50 PM

Are you a Democrat, Sycophant? You could be the first name on the list you're waiting on.

#153 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 10:02 AM | Reply

Race baiting is a term generally only used by racists. - #152 | Posted by Danni at 2018-01-24 09:59 AM

Classic

#154 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 10:03 AM | Reply

That's not exactly demonizing, buddy. - #98 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:50 PM
Here's an article about Rep. Andre Carson's statement
"some of them in Congress right now of this tea party movement would love to see you and me ... hanging on a tree." that jeffj was referring to.
And it is the very definition of demonizing.

de·mon·ize.[ˈdēməˌnīz]VERB
demonizing (present participle)
portray as wicked and threatening

#155 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 10:11 AM | Reply

#155 I addressed Carson's comments in #125 & 136. As Mod8 pointed out up thread, context matters.

#156 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 10:14 AM | Reply

There is a big difference between an insulting statement and a dehumanizing statement. - #109 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 03:00 PM
The thing about Trump is that he didn't make his dehumanizing statements about reporters once or twice but repeatedly. - #115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-23 03:10 PM

Can any of you actually link to a quote where Trump used dehumanizing statements in regard to reporters?

#157 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 10:32 AM | Reply

@#156 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 10:14 AM
That's why I targeted my response to Sycophant who said 'That's not exactly demonizing, buddy' when it is the definition of demonizing. And then he followed up with:
Its useless to debate with you because you just lie and deny very basic facts and human psychology. - #100 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 02:53 PM . Denying very basic facts is what he did literally 2 posts prior to writing that.

#158 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-24 10:46 AM | Reply

""The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" he wrote."

www.businessinsider.com

Similar to statements made by Stalin.

"A Republican senator has denounced US president Donald Trump's use of the terms "fake news" and "enemy of the people" to describe the news media and stories he does not like.

Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona said Mr Trump's attacks were reminiscent of words infamously used by Russian dictator Josef Stalin to describe his opponents.

In a speech on the US senate floor, Mr Flake called Mr Trump's repeated attacks on the media "shameful" and "repulsive", and said the president "has it precisely backward".

Mr Flake said that the true enemy of the people is despotism, while a free press is the despot's enemy and a guardian of democracy."

www.independent.ie

#159 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-24 11:08 AM | Reply

Two of the many times Trump referred to reporters as scum:

www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

#160 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 02:46 PM | Reply

"Scum, scum":

www.youtube.com

#161 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-24 02:54 PM | Reply

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