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The award-winning actress shared her traumatic experience Saturday while addressing a crowd of thousands gathered in downtown Los Angeles for the Women's March. Portman remembered turning 12 on the set of "Léon: The Professional." It was her first film. She played a young girl who befriended a hit man in hopes of avenging the murder of her parents, she said. A year later, when the movie was released, she opened her first fan letter. It was a "rape fantasy" from a man. "A countdown was started on my local radio show to my 18th birthday -- euphemistically the date that I would be legal to sleep with," she said. "Movie reviewers talked about my budding breasts in reviews. I understood very quickly, even as a 13-year-old, that if I were to express myself sexually I would feel unsafe and that men would feel entitled to discuss and objectify my body to my great discomfort."

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Portman said she adjusted her behavior, rejected roles with kissing scenes and emphasized her "bookish and serious" side. She built a reputation as a "prudish, conservative, nerdy, serious" young woman in order to feel her body was safe and her voice heard.

"At 13 years old, the message from our culture was clear to me," she said. "I felt the need to cover my body and to inhibit my expression and my work in order to send my own message to the world that I'm someone worthy of safety and respect.

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Portman is a successful actress and film director. She was also a big Hillary Clinton supporter during the election, so with all things being equal, her "rape fantasy" comment is an extension of the on-going fall-out between Hillary and Bernie (and Bernie's dopey attempt at satire over 40 years ago).

If she has a problem with what happened to her 23 years ago when she was a kid, she needs to seek professional mental-health help -- and there's absolutely no shame attached with seeking help.

Portman missed an opportunity to make a real impact -- she's NOT doing justice to the #MeToo movement and to victims of sexual assault.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 10:30 AM | Reply

She was and is a very intelligent person who figured out at a young age how to present herself in such a manner that she was respected and not objectified. That level of intelligence is rare, she is a great role model for young women today. I remember watching that movie, "Léon: The Professional" several times. Very violent but both her role and that of Leon are unique and, fortunately, not ruined with sexuality.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-21 11:24 AM | Reply

"Portman missed an opportunity to make a real impact -- she's NOT doing justice to the #MeToo movement and to victims of sexual assault."

You seem disappointed in her. Why? How has she set back the #metoo movement?

#3 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 11:53 AM | Reply

Someone sending you a tape fantasy at 13 will have an outsized effect on your life

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-21 12:09 PM | Reply

You seem disappointed in her. Why? How has she set back the #metoo movement?

#3 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Not saying she set the #MeToo movement back, but she's not doing it justice with her story.

She's also implying that she was harmed mentally, and she could've spoke about the very real problems of America's mental health situation and tied it to the problems women face when it comes to sexual assault.

But hey, I'm just a goody-two-shoes and Portman's agenda is obviously more than trying to help victims of sexual assault.

#5 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 12:29 PM | Reply

5

that's cool....that's kind of where I thought you were on it. I get it...I just wasn't clear on that. I don't have a problem with what you're saying.

#6 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 12:43 PM | Reply

Someone sending you a tape fantasy at 13 will have an outsized effect on your life

#4 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

She read a letter about "rape fantasy" and didn't tell anyone about it, ever?

She was 13, where were her parents?

Where were the adults managing her as a child actress?

She just kept the content of this graphic letter to herself, suffering the whole time, only to liberate herself of this self-imposed burden 23 years later when the time was right?

I believe her about getting a deranged creepy fan letter -- but she's got to do better. All normal people are against rape. If Portman can't be sincere, she should just stay on the sidelines.

#7 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 12:44 PM | Reply

Dannielle the sexual undertones in Leon were huge

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-21 01:34 PM | Reply

And it looks like Natalie Portman signed a petition to pardon Roman Polanski -- yet she is saying she suffered from "sexual terrorism" after reading a perverted letter from a fan 23 years ago.

I support #MeToo, but this is ridiculous -- nobody likes to be BS'd, myself included.

#9 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 02:38 PM | Reply

"She read a letter about "rape fantasy" and didn't tell anyone about it, ever? "

Actually, she's telling the world about it now, and you're finding reasons that she should have never opened her mouth.

What is your motivation for not believing her and wanting her to be silent?

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 03:38 PM | Reply

Actually, she's telling the world about it now, and you're finding reasons that she should have never opened her mouth.

What is your motivation for not believing her and wanting her to be silent?

#10 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I'm not saying she should stay silent, I'm saying she needs to do better because if I can point out her hypocrisy and BS, then anyone can.

If she can't rise to a base level of integrity, she should stay on the sidelines and make way for someone else who can do a better job.

#11 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 03:49 PM | Reply

In a short time cultural norms have changed. I don't think Polanski would get much Hollywood support today.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-01-21 04:18 PM | Reply

" I can point out her hypocrisy and BS, then anyone can."

Absolutely, since hypocrisy is a logical fallacy.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 04:50 PM | Reply

Child actors should not open their own mail.

These kinds of stories do make it seem like all men are horrible.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-21 06:07 PM | Reply

"If she can't rise to a base level of integrity,"

Accusations of hypocrisy do not put you at the base level of integrity you seem to think you are operating from.
They put you in illogical fallacy land.
Which is where most people operate, to be fair.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 06:50 PM | Reply

Accusations of hypocrisy do not put you at the base level of integrity you seem to think you are operating from.
They put you in illogical fallacy land.
Which is where most people operate, to be fair.

#15 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't mind the scrutiny.

Portman says her life changed when she was 13 years old as a result of a fan letter graphically describing a "rape fantasy" ... while also supporting Roman Polanski who fled the country after raping a 13 year old girl.

• Is there actual proof of Portman's letter detailing "rape fantasy" when she was a 13 year old? That's a fair question.

• There is actual evidence and a guilty verdict of Polanski raping a 13 year old. That's a fair (and legal) statement.

Portman's claim about being scarred as a child and then supporting a pedophile as an adult comes across as insincere in the least, and as pure hypocritical BS in the worst.

What would you call the disparities between Portman's personal story and her actions in supporting Polanski?

#16 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 07:31 PM | Reply

"Portman says her life changed when she was 13 years old as a result of a fan letter graphically describing a "rape fantasy" ... while also supporting Roman Polanski who fled the country after raping a 13 year old girl."

Okay.
So you are impugning Portman's character with this information, correct?
To what end?
You don't believe her thing the letter she got when she was 13?
Okay.
So, let's say she's lying about that, what do you "win?"

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 07:34 PM | Reply

"What would you call the disparities between Portman's personal story and her actions in supporting Polanski?"

Irrelevant.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 07:34 PM | Reply

So you are impugning Portman's character with this information, correct?
To what end?
You don't believe her thing the letter she got when she was 13?

So, let's say she's lying about that, what do you "win?"

#17 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

"Follow the evidence wherever it leads, and question everything."
-- Neil deGrasse Tyson

Do I believe Portman got disturbingly creepy fan mail of a sexual nature from weirdos when she was a 13 year old actress? Yes.

If the fan mail involved solicitation of a minor, those fan mail letters should have been turned over to law enforcement. Is it possible they did cross that legal line but were never handed over to police? Sure.

But if I can poke giant sized holes into her story, then anyone can. And conversely, what Polanski did is airtight.

What do I "win"? Integrity and self-respect -- I'm not sure someone like Natalie Portman would ever understand this.

#19 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She just kept the content of this graphic letter to herself, suffering the whole time, only to liberate herself of this self-imposed burden 23 years later when the time was right?

The speculation you're engaging in about Portman and her motives is incredibly crass.

She was a 12-year-old child who was publicly and obsessively sexualized by the media and Internet long before she was an adult. Maybe you should start trying to find your empathy instead of relying on extremely thin rationalizations to find fault with her.

If she said the letter and her public treatment harmed her I believe it. You should too, because as an experienced Internet user you know how creepy men can get about women and girls.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-21 11:11 PM | Reply

"What do I "win"? Integrity and self-respect -- I'm not sure someone like Natalie Portman would ever understand this."

So this is all about you. Not about Natalie Portman, or Roman Polanski. They're just convenient examples the thread provided of human beings who happen to be inferior to you.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 12:32 AM | Reply

The speculation you're engaging in about Portman and her motives is incredibly crass.

She was a 12-year-old child who was publicly and obsessively sexualized by the media and Internet long before she was an adult. Maybe you should start trying to find your empathy instead of relying on extremely thin rationalizations to find fault with her.

If she said the letter and her public treatment harmed her I believe it. You should too, because as an experienced Internet user you know how creepy men can get about women and girls.

#20 | POSTED BY RCADE

Two words: "Taxi Driver"

Jodie Foster played a adolescent hooker in the movie 'Taxi Driver' and undoubtedly received the same sort of fan mail Portman is said to have received. And if Foster is one of those who petitioned on behalf of Roman Polanski I would be asking the same type of questions -- public people are just that, and if they can't stand the heat they need to get out of the kitchen.

Normal people don't blame 13 year old children, they question the parents and in the case of Portman, their professional handlers. And when Portman and Foster because adults, they need to be accountable for their decisions (like all people).

Supporting #MeToo makes total sense. Women need to get out there and be leaders. The more women in positions of power (a dopey phrase, imo) the better off we all are. Why? Because it's the right thing to do, and women can't possibly do any worse then how badly men have screwed up the world (women might not appreciate the last part, but it's still true) ...

And I'm against children being preyed upon, and I'm against rape -- #MeToo can't fix this problem with just women, they need men to support their cause too. But if people like Portman (Havard educated) expect people to buy what she's selling hook, line, and sinker -- without question -- she's going to lose guys like me (I'm guessing that a Clinton person wrote Portman's speech and included the phrase "rape fantasy").

These sort of dialogues is why people like Nullifidian (who is very smart and knowledgeable) move away from liberal politics -- and while I don't mind admitting that I supported Hillary, I can understand why Nulli got tired of the whole thing.

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 07:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

These sort of dialogues is why people like Nullifidian (who is very smart and knowledgeable) move away from liberal politics ...

C'mon, dude. In most of his comments Nullifidian is a knee-jerk contrarian whose comments here are informed by personal spite, not a coherent ideological shift.

If that's what floats his boat, fine, but let's not pretend it's a path he was put on liberal boogeymen. He just hates Democrats now and constantly deflects criticism from Trump.

As for your Portman comments, now that you're using "Harvard educated" as a basis for insult it's pointless to engage you on this. She is entitled to her perspective on the sexual abuse she suffered as a child. There isn't a damn thing wrong with what she said.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-22 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He just hates Democrats now..."

Any idea why?

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-22 09:36 AM | Reply

If you're on the left, hating all Democrats doesn't make any damn sense. If you don't like the center-left faction that was led by President Obama and then Hillary Clinton, the left faction still led by Bernie Sanders is thriving. There hasn't been a major Democratic leader as reliably on the left as Sanders in generations.

People whose politics started where Nullifidian did on the Retort should love Sanders and the Democrats who are his allies.

#25 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-22 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He just hates Democrats now..."
Any idea why?

#24 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Obviously I must be a paid poster, or trolling, stirring the pot, personal spite, etc. It couldn't possibly be due to an honest difference of opinion.

The arrogance that says "I'm right" and if you disagree with me it must be because of ulterior motives rather than political philosophy is really stunning.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-22 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Any idea why?

Posted by eberly at 2018-01-22 09:36 AM | Reply

Too much grass
Too much hit hit pass
Brain cells gone en masse.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-22 10:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Child actors should not open their own mail.
These kinds of stories do make it seem like all men are horrible.
#14 | Posted by BruceBanner

You have to admit these clocks to when female child actresses will be "legal" is VERY creepy

#28 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-22 10:47 AM | Reply

I hate it when I have to agree with rcade and danni. I probably agree for different reasons than they would like, but so be it.

Portman handled herself right and she didn't fall into the trap many young women fall into.

She realized early that sex is a marketable commodity, yet one she was not willing to trade with.

If you don't wanna be treated like a piece of warm meat, then don't present yourself like one. There have always been and will always be young stars, male and female, willing to do the meat market thing.

#29 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-22 11:09 AM | Reply

It couldn't possibly be due to an honest difference of opinion.

Deflecting away from Trump criticism to another topic all the time isn't honest. You rarely if ever criticize the most incompetent, reckless and childish president in our lifetime. You only criticize his critics or the community here. That constitutes a large part of what you contribute. It is the textbook definition of stirring the pot.

#30 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-22 11:31 AM | Reply

She read a letter about "rape fantasy" and didn't tell anyone about it, ever?
She was 13, where were her parents?
Where were the adults managing her as a child actress?
She just kept the content of this graphic letter to herself, suffering the whole time, only to liberate herself of this self-imposed burden 23 years later when the time was right?

Where did you read/hear her say that? I listened to the video attached to the article and didn't hear her say that, but maybe there is a longer version. Do you have a link?

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 11:49 AM | Reply

Portman is a successful actress and film director. She was also a big Hillary Clinton supporter during the election, so with all things being equal, her "rape fantasy" comment is an extension of the on-going fall-out between Hillary and Bernie (and Bernie's dopey attempt at satire over 40 years ago).

Wow, I'm flabbergasted by this comment. A 13 year old Portman received a rape fantasy letter 23 years ago and talks about it during the 2nd annual women's march, but because she was an ardent Hillary supporter in 2016, her comments are "an extension of the on-going fall-out between Hillary and Bernie"? Unbelievable. Thank God Bernie isn't that narcissistic or solipsistic and would never himself believe such tripe.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 11:56 AM | Reply

"And if Foster is one of those who petitioned on behalf of Roman Polanski I would be asking the same type of questions"

Does anyone have a link to the free Polanski petition? The list of names on the petition I have found doesn't include Portman, but maybe there is more updated version or more than one petition:

www.altfg.com

www.breitbart.com

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 01:08 PM | Reply

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-21 10:30 AM

Scars never just "go away" - particularly those that happen during childhood. It's apparently extremely hard to identify with this issue, and equating this to politics is uglier still. You are behaving scum-like.

#34 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-22 02:50 PM | Reply

Scars never just "go away" - particularly those that happen during childhood. It's apparently extremely hard to identify with this issue, and equating this to politics is uglier still. You are behaving scum-like.

#34 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Here you go ...

ijr.com

Many cheered Portman for standing up for women and championing a cause she believes in. But many may not know of another cause she has championed: the release of admitted sexual predator Roman Polanski.

In 2009, after Polanski had spent 3 decades in exile, French media personality Bernard-Henri Lévy filed a petition calling for his release.

Google translates from the French:

Apprehended as a vulgar terrorist, Saturday evening, September 26, in Zurich, while he came to receive a prize for all of his work, Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison.

The petition then paints a picture of Polanski as a victim of both the Nazis and Stalin's Russia, and argues that since his American victim -- who was just 13 when he admittedly drugged and assaulted her -- no longer cares to prosecute him, he should be allowed to go free.

Portman, along with several other Hollywood names such as Harrison Ford and director Sam Mendes, signed the petition demanding Polanski's release.

Oscar winner and outspoken feminist Emma Thompson also once signed that same petition -- but demanded that her name be removed when she learned the details of Polanski's crime.

Thompson explained that she had signed "without really thinking about it ... I had been absolutely bamboozled by my respect for his art."


Neil deGrasse Tyson said it best -- "Follow the evidence wherever it leads, and question everything."

And big kudos to Emma Thompson for having the integrity to do the right thing.

Sorry (not sorry) that I'm not going to believe Natalie Portman's sincerity.

#35 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 04:15 PM | Reply

Neil deGrasse Tyson said it best -- "Follow the evidence wherever it leads, and question everything."

Got a link to the list of names on the free Polanski petition? Thanks.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 04:26 PM | Reply

Got a link to the list of names on the free Polanski petition? Thanks.

#36 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

No, and I don't have link to Obama's long form birth certificate either.

Portman can clear all this up by publicly denouncing Polanski, something that I'd applaud and give her credit for doing.

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 04:33 PM | Reply

As for your Portman comments, now that you're using "Harvard educated" as a basis for insult it's pointless to engage you on this. She is entitled to her perspective on the sexual abuse she suffered as a child. There isn't a damn thing wrong with what she said.

#23 | POSTED BY RCADE

I think highly of education, especially anyone attaining any level of academic achievement because my background is the polar opposite of all that -- I respect it.

But I also expect allot of people, especially those who are supposed to be the best and the brightest -- Portman's story and her support for Polanski makes her look crass, as if no one is going to ask the obvious questions.

Portman needs to do better.

#38 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 04:42 PM | Reply

"Portman needs to do better."

Isn't she doing better, by calling out this guy?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 05:45 PM | Reply

What if Portman and the others just signed that Polanski letter as a way to curry favor with powerful men like Weinstein in Hollywood.

Wouldn't that make good business sense for her to do that?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 05:52 PM | Reply

What if Portman and the others just signed that Polanski letter as a way to curry favor with powerful men like Weinstein in Hollywood.

Wouldn't that make good business sense for her to do that?

#40 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Yes ... anything is possible and I don't put anything past anyone -- what you're suggesting makes sense.

But I will point out the following ...

7 November 2009 | Emma Thompson 'talked out of support for Polanski' by 19-year-old student
www.independent.co.uk

Polanski's case, which was never fully resolved after he fled America, has become a cause célèbre since his arrest in September; a host of actors have signed petitions on his behalf, including Lévy's, with Hollywood star Whoopie Goldberg provoking angry criticism when she said "whatever Polanski was guilty of, it wasn't rape-rape".

Lévy's petition has 164 signatures so far, many of them by big names including Jeremy Irons, Natalie Portman, Salman Rushdie, Sam Mendes, Kristin Scott Thomas, Harrison Ford and Isabelle Huppert.


The above link is from 2009 -- now can everyone in this thread see how someone might find Portman's story insincere?

Disappointing that Salman Rushdie is on that list -- thought he was made of better stuff.

#41 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 07:55 PM | Reply

Got a link to the list of names on the free Polanski petition? Thanks.

#36 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Here you go ...

www.bernard-henri-levy.com

Luis Ospina
Catherine Paganessi
Vincent Pappalardo
Ludo Paris
Marc Paris
Monique Perez
Maya Pijnappel
Catherine Polge
Maud Pommier-Samaan
Catherine Poncet
Natalie Portman
John Robert Posniak
Philippe Radault
Françoise Ratajczak
Paul Remigiusz
Rose Rigot
Yannick Rolandeau
Géraldine Roux
Salman Rushdie
Noémie Saine-Loiselle
Daniel Salvatore Schiffer
Patrick Samama
Antonella Santacroce
Carine Sarna
Ysabelle Saura Del Pan
Léo Scalpel
Sophie Schmit-Flageollet
Kristin Scott Thomas
Emmanuelle Senechal
Woytek Sepiol
William Shawcross
Olivier Soares Barbosa
Steven Soderbergh
Arthur Sogno-Pèes
Loïc Sorel
Nil Symchowicz
Richard Szotyori
Antoine Roullé
Christian Texier
Danièle Thompson
Zelda Tinska

Natalie Portman, Salman Rushdie, and no Emma Thompson

I'm all for #MeToo, but they need someone other than Natalie Portman to do their bidding -- which is a totally fair thing to say.

#42 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-22 08:36 PM | Reply

Yes, I saw here name on the list linked to in the article you posted in #35. I don't know why her name wasn't on the other lists I found, including the Breitbart list.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:42 PM | Reply

"but they need someone other than Natalie Portman to do their bidding"

They? The reason #MeToo movement has caught on is that it is bigger than any one person. Portman's voice is just one among many.

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-22 08:45 PM | Reply

Unless Portman was an actual victim of Polanski, I don't understand the point of calling her a hypocrite simply because she signed a petition showing support for him.

Someone's views are incapable of change? Or more to the point, you refuse to consider someone's "evolution" of a subject?

Christ, PINCH, you've really set yourself go off the deep end on this one. Of all people to hound, you're going after one that is providing a profoundly unique perspective of the #MeToo movement, because of a signature on a petition?

Let me ask you this: you have a problem with Van Jones' signature on the 9/11 Truther petition? If not, you might be a hypocrite.

#45 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 08:51 PM | Reply

they need someone other than Natalie Portman to do their bidding -- which is a totally fair thing to say.
#42 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

It's fair for you to have an opinion on a matter that took place 10 years ago (Polanski petition) just as much as it is fair for me to disagree with your opinion on the same matter.

Your (perceived) attitude on this topic (via thread) seems to be more extreme than you providing an opinion. Are you incapable of considering the alternative opinion? 10 years is a long time for a young actress to take consideration of points and facts that have emerged.

If anything, what's fair is to suggest someone ask Portman about her thought process behind signing the petition juxtaposed to the feelings she had propelling her to make the speech she most recently did. Without that, you're making MASSIVE assumptions, which is also fair considering she's famous and you and I are, well, not (clearly, I'm not expecting for you to gain personal insight such as this all on your own). That's the one thing I'd be interested in hearing from her, but knee-jerking to claim that she's a hypocrite, or that her story is not worthy of #MeToo, is actually quite ignorant, yet -- as you insinuate -- entirely fair to suggest as an uneducated opinion.

IOW, call it what it is -- a fair, yet ignorant, opinion.

#46 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-22 09:03 PM | Reply

I'm all for #MeToo, but they need someone other than Natalie Portman to do their bidding -- which is a totally fair thing to say.
--Pinchaloaf

Nothing like the unfair smear of one person to highlight, once again, that shallow minded group-think is way easier than the capacity to treat an individual on the basis of their character.
--Also Pinchaloaf, talking about, you guessed it, Aziz Ansari

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-22 10:59 PM | Reply

@ Snoofy

Portman supports a child rapist, while claiming she was preyed upon as a child.

Ansari is being smeared for being a lousy lover.

I count 3 moving parts: pedophilia, hypocrisy, and consensual sex.

What are you seeing?

#48 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-23 06:34 AM | Reply

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