Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Monday, January 22, 2018

Turkish ground troops have crossed into northern Syria as part of a major offensive to push out Kurdish militia, which Turkey regards as terrorists. The Kurdish group targeted, known as the YPG, is active in the Afrin region, across from Turkey's southern border. It says it has repelled Turkish troops in the area, and retaliated with rocket fire on Turkish border areas. ... Plans for the operation were believed to have accelerated when the US announced earlier this month that it would help an anti-IS alliance, formed of these Kurds and ethnic Arab militias, to build a new "border security force" to prevent the return of the jihadists.

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Turkey is attacking US installments, allegedly in further attempting to wipe out Kurdish factions that challenge Erdogan - even in other nations. These are Kurds who successfully overthrew ISIS on the Turkish border - so why would Erdogan not want them there unless they already know ISIS plans, perhaps as partners. Will the United States protect the Kurds or did our military just set them up as a deliberate target like in Iraq to get their oil, but in this instance to promote the invasion of Syria? If coalition forces leave then it would appear so.

Cobanbey and Killis are on west on the southern border inside Turkey very close to YPG occupied cities in the north, but I have doubts that YPG really did "retaliate" against civilians. This would be at least the second attempt by Turkey to enter Syria and bombing innocent bystanders isn't past Erdogan.

So, US forces are on the ground and Russia controls the air - what is Turkey going to face wiping out those who wipe out ISIS? And knowing that ISIS is propped by Israel right at the Golan means Damascus may have been leveraging for time knowing that Russian and US forces actually are controlled by Israel too..

Scary times.

#1 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-22 02:13 PM | Reply

so why would Erdogan not want them there

#1 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2018-01-22 02:13 PM | FLAG:

Because those Kurds have launched terror attacks against Turkey long before there was an IS.

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 02:25 PM | Reply

also, those Kurds didn't wipe out IS. In many instances they have given them safe transit out of besieged areas with no checkpoints or inspections, and sent them East to fight Syrian National Forces.

#3 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 02:27 PM | Reply

sorry, sent them West to go fight the nationals.

#4 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 02:27 PM | Reply

#1 | Posted by redlightrobot a

You seriously don't understand this? It's Turkmen racism towards Kurds and the US is throwing the Kurds under the bus yet again. The Kurds have been victims of the Turks many times and that is at least partially the reason for the long insurgency IN Turkey. Don't get me wrong the Armenians have received far worse. And this isn't something in the terribly distant past. Plenty of incidents in the last 100 years.

The thing is there was in effect a peace with the Kurds and they were coming into the government until Erdogan needed a boogeyman and broke the peace. That said he isn't going to allow the Kurds to retain control in Syria.

And I am going to say it again - the US is throwing perhaps our most reliable and valuable allies in the region under the bus if we don't help them. Turkey is not reliable. Iraq is not reliable. The Kurds are reliable. I'm not even sure if it matter that the project Orange is president in this case.

#5 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-22 03:10 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg

That's an oversimplification of what has happened. Ergogan broke the peace - not the Kurds. And point of fact the terror attacks I am mostly aware of are ISIS related. It's also critical to understand how the Kurds have been treated in Turkey and why there is an armed insurgency. At best they are second class citizens simply because of their ethnicity. They have been the victim of multiple massacres. etc.

You are correct in the negotiation with ISIS. Keep in mind Syrian forces have done the same. The only people Syria worked on massacring and not negotiating with were the non-ISIS forces until toward the end of the major hostilities.

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-22 03:15 PM | Reply

And point of fact the terror attacks I am mostly aware of are ISIS related.

#6 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2018-01-22 03:15 PM | REPLY

A little simplified. The Turks and Kurds have been in a low civil grade war since 1978 with only brief interruptions. No shortage of political violence against each other before that, but 78 is generally the start of where the current period is measured.

#7 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 08:27 PM | Reply

so why would Erdogan not want them there
#1 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2018-01-22 02:13 PM
Because those Kurds have launched terror attacks against Turkey long before there was an IS.
#2 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 02:25 PM

Project Olive Branch is to "eliminate YPG from Turkeys border". The olive branch allegedly represents liberating those recently reclaimed cities from their US/Russian/Kurd protection - not to combat ISIS.

Who do you imagine will be meeting Turkey? Erdogan somehow believes that US and Russian forces will just step aside and allow ethnic cleansing. Good ---- luck, and by that I mean "glass Erdogan's presidential palace". He's scum, I'm shocked you support him in any capacity.

Also, strangely the Free Syrian Army Commander states "The target of this operation is to liberate the region from separatist militias affiliated with the PKK which has robbed the people and even driven them from their lands. People have begun to build houses under trees to survive. Our aim is to liberate our Kurdish brothers from the ongoing separatist tyranny. We have been preparing for a long time for this operation and as you can see from the picture the soldiers behind me - these forces are preparing to begin the operation against separatist militias linked to the PKK in Afrin and places around it."

Erdogan says "Once the operation is over the next move will be towards YPG held Manbij. .. The Americans aren't helping you in Afrin and won't do so in Manbij or perhaps even east of the Euphrates where they control a wide area."

So, my belief is that Afrin will be decimated in Turkeys attempt to "liberate" the Kurds. Exactly like the United States military destroying block-by-city block in the alleged eradication of nationalist forces in Fallujah. The entire city was obliterated to "save it". This invasion is BS.

#8 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-01-22 08:50 PM | Reply

This invasion is BS.

#8 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2018-01-22 08:50 PM | FLAG:

Indeed. Another part in a long war. That said, the Kurds accept volunteers, have fun.

#9 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-22 09:13 PM | Reply

Don't worry, Trump's got this.

:)

#10 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-23 11:35 AM | Reply

More Muslim on Muslim violence. #AllahAkbar

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-23 02:12 PM | Reply

Awkward situation and not one Trump will help.

#12 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-23 03:07 PM | Reply

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