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In 2015, West Virginia passed legislation requiring some applicants for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) to submit to drug testing. The state estimated that over the first year, the program would identify 390 people as drug users at a cost of $50,000. The program has now been in place for three months and just four people, less than one-half of a percent of all applicants, tested positive. In the general population, the rate of drug use is 9.4%. West Virginia's experience mirrors those of other states who have implemented similar programs. ThinkProgress reviewed the impact of programs in 13 states last year:

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[P]oor people who try to get assistance in these 13 states have to be screened for potential drug use and, if they are deemed suspicious, must come back to pee in a cup in order to receive benefits. While some states offer treatment programs to those who test positive, in essence, if you can't prove you're drug-free, you lose all benefits. ...

All told, these 13 states tested 2,826 people out of about 250,000 applicants and recipients in 2016. Of those tested, just 369 came back positive. In four states, drug testing uncovered exactly zero positive tests for the whole year.

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Failed drug-test requirement costs Florida taxpayers $1.5 million in legal fees

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-19 12:33 AM | Reply

Isn't this old news? Like when the FL governor got busted with cocaine all the while demanding drug tests for welfare recipientz?

#2 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-19 01:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yup it is a huge waist of money but repubs don't mine wasting money as long as it makes some rich man richer or it is used to harm the poor

#3 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2018-01-19 06:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

These policies are only designed to funnel government money to well connected drug testing CEO's.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-19 08:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In the general population, the rate of drug use is 9.4%. West Virginia's experience mirrors those of other states who have implemented similar programs.

ThinkProgress reviewed the impact of programs in 13 states last year:

Posted by corky

If that is the case, why does the government require drug tests? Shouldn't they say, aw hell, it is less than 10% so forger it.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-19 12:07 PM | Reply

#5

Because so many dumb Republicans are running state govs.

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-19 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The testing labs made out like bandits, which was the whole point, wasn't it?

#7 | Posted by morris at 2018-01-20 12:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

For a couple of years right after we got married, my wife managed a temporary job placement agency. A couple of her clients only needed warm bodies and actually had a bus they would run to and from Flint to bus temps in to hang auto parts on a moving clothesline where they would be sprayed with a protective coating.

Other clients had higher standards and many of those clients required drug testing.

Well, a guy came in named John and he was interested in a temporary job at one of her clients that required drug-testing. He met some other basic requirements so she made an appointment for him at the clinic to be drug tested.

2 days later she received a call from the clinic:

Clinic: Hello, Jennifer. We have the results from John's drug test.

Wife: Let me guess, it was positive.

Clinic: No. It was negative. But John has a different problem. He's pregnant.

True story and hilarious. She had a LOT of fun calling John and explaining why he wasn't going to be placed at the job he was interested in.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 12:30 AM | Reply

It was a total flop, but the zombie Republican spin cycle will keep it alive in perpetuity.

#9 | Posted by chuffy at 2018-01-20 04:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

We need to start drug testing Congress, CEO's, and executives.

#10 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-01-20 06:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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We need to start drug testing Congress, CEO's, and executives.

#10 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

..and make it proportional to the amount of money they take from the government. If they benefited from a bail-out, they will have to submit a kidney.

#11 | Posted by kudzu at 2018-01-20 08:07 AM | Reply

A UBI would end all this nonsense.

We still try and inject morality into assistance which always will lead to issues of who's morality and what is the benefit. A UBI takes the morality out of the equation which of course is why so many sides are against it.

From the church mission that wants to preach at you before you get a hot and a cot to the TANF office that wants you to pee in a cup it all boils down to morality for money, which I am fairly sure was never in the bible.

#12 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-20 08:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#8 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT

When you lie so much you can't tell the difference between your own life and a myth that has been told all around the world:

www.snopes.com

#13 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 08:57 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I won't pile on Jeff Mr. Silence, lies when told often enough do become truths for those who are telling them, they actually lose the ability to recognize that they are lies. How else could the Republican Party still win elections? I mean, we had the Great Depression of 1929, we had Reagan's recession in the early 80's, we had the economic collapse in 2007 all because of big fat tax cuts for the rich but these dummies still think trickle down economics will bring prosperity and a few months into the tax cuts they are already declaring success, too stupid to realize that the collapse will come a few years down the road just like every other one of their schemes has. But don't worry, they won't learn this time either, they are incapable of learning.

#14 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If that is the case, why does the government require drug tests? Shouldn't they say, aw hell, it is less than 10% so forger it.

#5 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-01-19 12:07 PM | FLAG:

The War on Drugs is worth $39 billion per year, and they have to "set the example". Unfortunately for all of us it's an example of raw stupidity, but that's what you get with a 2 party system.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-01-20 01:36 PM | Reply

I won't pile on Jeff Mr. Silence, lies when told often enough do become truths for those who are telling them, they actually lose the ability to recognize that they are lies.

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI

That's an understandable thing. I've seen it happen and all it was in the end was a person repeating a lie they were told and it was likely told to them by a person who had no idea it was a lie.

That's not what happened with Jeff here. Jeff personalized a fable that has likely been told all over planet Earth. He claims that a myth told all over the planet actually originated in his family.

That goes beyond a normal lie and moves more into the realm of mental illness.

#16 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 05:35 PM | Reply

Mr Silence and Danni,

I was sharing a humorous anecdote, nothing more.

It absolutely happened and it was hilarious. The guy obviously borrowed his girlfriend's urine for the test.

I heard about it when my wife and my uncle, who was a workman's comp claims adjuster at the time, we're exchanging stories of this nature.

You two need to lighten up.

The Snopes link is hilarious though. Like Snopes is going to try and disprove an occurrence that my wife had and that nobody outside our circle would have even heard about.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liar.

#18 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:22 PM | Reply

Being pregnant is not going to show up on any drug test.

You can't even tell the gender of a donor when you test urine for the presence of drugs.

#18 doesn't go far enough.

You need to seek mental help.

#19 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:30 PM | Reply

#18

Douchegood, your reliance on Snopes underscores your DRtardation. Swapping urine samples is commonplace, whether in the workplace or in sports...why do you think that they attempt to monitor when samples are given?

The former head of the Russian Anti-Doping Agency has revealed his part in an astonishing state-run doping programme before and during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, which included supplying banned performance-enhancing substances to at least 15 medal winners and substituting tainted urine samples with clean ones during the Games so that they passed doping tests. The International Olympic Committee described the accusations as "very worrying" and called for them to be investigated immediately by the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Russian doctors and athletes ‘switched urine samples' at Sochi Olympics

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-20 06:31 PM | Reply

Swapping urine samples if fine.

I know you think girls' thingies are icky and you're here to stand by your man, but do you understand that a pregnancy test is looking for something completely different than a drug test is and vise versa?

#21 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:34 PM | Reply

And that is laid out in the Snopes link.

I get it though.

Your online boyfriend is in trouble and you're here to help...

#22 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:35 PM | Reply

real-answers/questions/will-my-pregnancy-show-up-on-my-drug-test-for-work

#23 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:36 PM | Reply

www.thebump.com/real-answers/questions/will-my-pregnancy-show-up-on-my-drug-test-for-work

#24 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:37 PM | Reply

So not only did they go above and beyond and test for more things than the company that Jeff's wife never asked for out of the kindness of their hearts-- and also things that people on every other continent never asked for -- they also broke the law.

It's either all of that of Jeff is a liar.

#25 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:41 PM | Reply

Whoops.

I hate posting on my phone...

So not only did they go above and beyond and test for more things than the company that Jeff's wife worked for never asked them to test for just out of the kindness of their hearts -- and also things that people on every other continent on the planet never asked for -- they also broke the law.

It's either all of that of Jeff is a liar.

#26 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:43 PM | Reply

It's fun teaching DR "lawyers" about the law..

#27 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 06:48 PM | Reply

"It's either all of that of Jeff is a liar."

Seems more like, his grandma said she was part Indian, and he just went with it.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 07:16 PM | Reply

Hahaha!!!!

#29 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-01-20 07:20 PM | Reply

Seems more like, his grandma said she was part Indian, and he just went with it.

#28 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT

I think his lie involved his wife.

Sounds like an honest lady.

I wonder if "his" kids resemble him..

#30 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-20 07:23 PM | Reply

Russian doctors and athletes ‘switched urine samples' at Sochi Olympics
#20 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Are you frocking serious?

It took a KGB type operation to swap those samples.

If a welfare person on drugs is able to accomplish something like that the CiIA should hire them on the spot. We need innovative spies like that. Especially if they can do it while testing positive (under the influence).

#31 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 07:27 PM | Reply

CiIA = CIA.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-20 07:28 PM | Reply

This reminds me of a joke.

President wakes up one winter morning in the White House, looks out the window to see "F--- You, Mr. President" written in yellow in the freshly fallem snow. Furious, the President orders an investigation.

Later, the CIA presents their results: "Mr, President, we analyzed the crime scene, and it's the Vice President's urine, but it's the First lady's handwriting."

#33 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 07:30 PM | Reply

"Russian doctors and athletes ‘switched urine samples' at Sochi Olympics
#20 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER
Are you frocking serious?
It took a KGB type operation to swap those samples. "

He thinks that's what poor people do with their free time.
They just think up new ways to cheat welfare.
I suspect his resentment is driven by fear that they're smarter than him, since he works or something.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 07:31 PM | Reply

It's hard to buy dope when you're broke. What a ------- rule.

#35 | Posted by uncle_meat at 2018-01-20 07:54 PM | Reply

You people are ridiculous.

The anecdote I shared happened. None of you have even met my wife and she has never posted on this site. Not once. Further, when she shared her experience the conversation was apolitical. She wasn't sharing it to make a political argument. She was sharing it because it was hilarious. Same here. I shared it because I thought it was funny. I can't believe the anger and recrimination a non political anecdote is causing. I wasn't making any kind of political argument when I shared this anecdote. I thought it was funny and thought people would chuckle. That's all.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 08:27 PM | Reply

#36
They are being ridiculous. Your story was innocuous.

#37 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-01-20 10:03 PM | Reply

"None of you have even met my wife"

Meet one Pocahontas, you've met 'em all.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:17 PM | Reply

They are being ridiculous. Ya think!

They are just showing their true colors as individuals, nothing more.

#39 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:18 PM | Reply

They are being ridiculous.

No, they are being mean spirited and personally attacking bullies.

#40 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:23 PM | Reply

If that's what you think, it's because you're being a snowflake.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:26 PM | Reply

Yes, most bullies would say such, it allows them to continue.

#42 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:29 PM | Reply

No, most bullies would have your in a headlock by now, or giving you a much needed wedgie.

But pretend you're a victim more. It's kind of interesting. I suspect that your eally are a victim, but the DR Left isn't the one who hurt you.

It's not so interesting that I think you should keep doing it, though. Seek professional help.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Crassus, watch this over and over until it sinks in:

O_o

#44 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-20 10:41 PM | Reply

Yawn!

#45 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:50 PM | Reply

I'm not convinced that Warren is an honest injun.

I wonder if she drives a Jeep Cherokee

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 10:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

NO, a renegade!

#47 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-20 10:59 PM | Reply

#36
They are being ridiculous. Your story was innocuous.

#37 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Thank you.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-20 11:16 PM | Reply

Your story was a total fabrication.

#37 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

Fixed.

#50 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 09:28 AM | Reply

I thought it was funny and thought people would chuckle. That's all.

#36 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You don't have to lie to keep and make friends, Jeff.

#51 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 09:31 AM | Reply

Jeff and rightoe make a cute couple.

One is a compulsive liar and the other has another screen name that he uses to agree with himself and flag his own comments.

#52 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 09:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In Jeff's defense I have heard similar stories from HR folks through the years. I understand from reading the posted links they are all probably bull but pre-internet days we had no reason to doubt those stories and for me it's something I never would have researched if Jeff hadn't been called on it.

He doesn't say when this took place so if it was 2002 or earlier there is a good chance that he had no reason to question or no good ability to question and it just stuck in his head as a funny ancedote.

This time of year I don't get to post or read much as I'm busy fixing fireplaces in snowstorms but when I do get a chance it's kind of annoying to constantly have good threads that I'm interested in reading turn into no he said no she said no you're a liar no you are ...

The question of drug testing welfare recipients is a good one and could use debate, shame you folks decided to go another direction.

#53 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-21 09:47 AM | Reply

Marytylerdogood......what a friggin drama queen

Look, we get it. You're a pothead. You're angry about drug testing. It's personal to you.

Don't take it out Jeff or righto.

#54 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 09:49 AM | Reply

BTW, I agree the cost to test recipients exceeds the benefit and ultimately you're harming children.

That's always been my opinion.

#55 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-21 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Right, #54.

Hey, did you know Jeff once fought off the hook man? He's a true hero did it because he was poor.

All this time I thought the hook man was just a story they told you when you were a kid to scare you at camp.

I couldn't have been more wrong.

It's real, Jeff's wife told him.

#56 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 09:57 AM | Reply

Hate to burst your bubble MrSilenceDogood but JeffJ is not lying. My employees and I are subject to DOT random drug screenings. They do test your urine to see if your pregnant, they also test it for temperature, and fats, they so this to make sure people aren't cheating.

#57 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-21 10:54 AM | Reply

They do test your urine to see if your pregnant...

Good bet that they shouldn't.

#58 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-21 11:01 AM | Reply

Back on subject.....

I'm on the fence about drug testing people on welfare. I'm forced by DOT rules to get tested so I can have a job, so IMO I feel if they want Government money they should be subjected to the same rules, but when they fail it should be forced to seek treatment, not have the benefits taken away, taking away the benefits spirals the original problem.

#59 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-21 11:03 AM | Reply

#58 You'd lose that bet. Also am subject to DOT physicals, one of the new rules is sleep apnea, if they think you have it they monitor you when your sleeping through a cpap machine that sends in your data.

#60 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-21 11:09 AM | Reply

So the DOT does not allow pregnancy?

#61 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-21 11:11 AM | Reply

Not if your male.

#62 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-01-21 11:18 AM | Reply

Don't worry they will design another harassment for the poor soon.

I can hardly wait to see the ingenuity.

#63 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-01-21 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The policy of drug testing welfare recipients is not based on evidence of a problem. It is based on the false of the conservatives that everyone on welfare is a lazy drug addict who can't hold a job when the truth is drugs are expensive and with the exception of those few whose poverty is a by-product of addiction most welfare recipients don't want to be on welfare. Most people on welfare are there temporarily due to situational poverty. They lost a job, had a medical crisis, or other unexpected situations. Generational poverty is less prevalent but is most common in white rural conservative areas like McCreary County Kentucky Where more than 90% of the population is White, Young, voted for Trump, and over half of the income reported in the county comes from goverment assistance programs

#64 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-21 11:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One important thing missing from the story: how many people flagged refused to take the test? Did I miss that in the story?

#65 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-01-21 12:05 PM | Reply

"how many people flagged refused to take the test?"

Good point.

The real-world answer is usually reflected in how much money wasn't spent, and if any savings were due to per capita or participation.

Seemingly without exception, these programs always cost more money than they "recover", mainly for the reason cited above: the lazy welfare recipient, while in existence, isn't anywhere near as ubiquitous as some may believe.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-21 12:19 PM | Reply

Watch them line up to defend the lie that Jeff told with their own lies.

This thread delivers.

#67 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 01:27 PM | Reply

I learn something every single time I come here.

For example, before today I had no idea that DOT physical that specifically tests for pregnancy and a pre employment 5 or 10 panel drug screen at a temp agency are the same thing.

Thank you, #57.

#68 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-01-21 01:36 PM | Reply

"I'm forced by DOT rules to get tested so I can have a job, so IMO I feel if they want Government money they should be subjected to the same rules, but when they fail it should be forced to seek treatment, not have the benefits taken away, taking away the benefits spirals the original problem.
#59 | POSTED BY PINKYANTHEBRAIN"

That's because the government has convinced the courts that driving under the influence is such a danger that drug testing warrants an invasion of your privacy.

Government workers who aren't in security sensitive positions can't get drug tested. It's an illegal Fourth Amendment search when he government does it.

But it's not an illegal Fourth Amendment Search when a private employer demands it, because the Fourth Amendment doesn't protect you from private citizens, including publicly held corporations.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-21 03:28 PM | Reply

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