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Friday, January 19, 2018

The political debate over the fate of "DREAMers" -- undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children -- has overlooked just how many there are in the country today: about 3.6 million. That number of people whose lives risk being uprooted is not widely known, in large part because so much public attention has been focused recently on 800,000 mostly young DREAMers accepted into the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

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The 3.6 million estimate of undocumented immigrants brought to U.S. before their 18th birthday comes from the Migration Policy Institute, a non-partisan, non-profit think tank that studies global immigration patterns. That is roughly a third of all undocumented immigrants in the country and does not include millions of their immediate family members who are U.S. citizens.

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That is the dreamers and all their cousins and inlaws. That is known as chain immigration.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-19 10:55 AM | Reply

Chain migration is a very very very good thing. The people who think for you are confused.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 12:10 PM | Reply

Explain yourself bru. How do we benefit from the illegals?

WASHINGTON SECRETS
DHS: 23% of all federal prisoners are illegals, just 7 of 42,034 saved from deportation
by Paul Bedard | Aug 9, 2017, 8:59 AM

That ain't bad considering there are 11 million in a country of 350 million. If my math is close, that is only 3% of the total population.

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-19 12:27 PM | Reply

I didn't say we benefit from illegals. You just did. I said chain migration is very good for the country. We all benefit from chain migration.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 01:06 PM | Reply

You just did. I said chain migration is very good for the country. We all benefit from chain migration.

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner

Chain migration is a very very very good thing. The people who think for you are confused.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner

Seems like you are the one that said that bru.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-19 03:14 PM | Reply

--Chain migration is a very very very good thing.

For whom? Employers who want cheap labor and Democrats who want to import votes? Certainly not the unskilled and semiskilled American working class, especially African-Americans, who have much higher unemployment.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-19 04:03 PM | Reply

Make up your mind Nulli. You shill for the plutocracy day in and day out then come cry for the Jethros out there.

It's not fooling anyone.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 04:46 PM | Reply

I guess he has you fooled bru.

#8 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-19 04:52 PM | Reply

You folks think the right number of immigrants is between 0 and 1, huh?

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 05:07 PM | Reply

--You folks think the right number of immigrants is between 0 and 1, huh?

What's your upper limit? There's easily 200 million who would travel to the U.S today with unlimited immigration and open borders policy.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-19 05:43 PM | Reply

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"open borders"

I thought we had open borders this whole time... did The Wall get built for free overnight when no one was looking?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-19 05:46 PM | Reply

- 200 million

Be afraid! Be VERY afraid!!

Fearmongering.... GW, Dick Cheney... they got nuthin' on you.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-19 05:57 PM | Reply

"What's your upper limit?"

Just enough to keep the economy going. Not one more. We will have to include the illegals in that number since it's ridiculous to pretend they're not here and working.

My point about chain migration is that it's the best way to bring someone to America. They have the social and financial support of their family to help them integrate. They're not a burden on society and they get to be a productive tax-paying member faster. Even if they bring over some old family member, they're going to be working harder to support them.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

A friend got her Iranian mother moved here from overseas.

Please explain how that harms America, Nulli.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-19 06:51 PM | Reply

--Just enough to keep the economy going. Not one more.

What does even mean? Is 138 million your limit?

Gallup released some new data this week [2013] on migration, for which they asked people from 154 countries if they would like to migrate, and if so where to. The United States was by far the most popular destination; Gallup estimates that 138 million people would like to relocate there. The United Kingdom was the second-most popular, with 42 million potential migrants, followed by Canada, France and Saudi Arabia

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-19 07:02 PM | Reply

- 138 million

They'll never all fit on his lawn.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-19 07:07 PM | Reply

--They'll never all fit on his lawn.

I don't have a lawn, unlike the residents of 98% white Naples, Fl.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-19 07:36 PM | Reply

"I don't have a lawn, unlike the residents of 98% white Naples, Fl."

Where do you put out your little jockey!?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-19 08:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What does even mean? Is 138 million your limit?"

Tbh I have no clue. This is something for economists to figure out.

We're not even replacing our population and capitalism requires the population to grow, so that means some people in.

#19 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-19 09:18 PM | Reply

#18

www.dailyracingrag.com

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-19 09:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Nulli is the guy who fears everyone and everything so allowing immigration to actually happen frightens him to death. He's just a pathetic little man who doesn't understand how things actually work and that without immigration we would be a backwater nation instead of the wealthiest nation on Earth. Diversity is our strength, always has been, always will be. The ideas of those most hated immigrants will be our future. And the Nulli's of this world will be standing on the sidelines whining that some immigrant got some job he wanted because he was smarter and better educated than some American.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-20 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

This country was built by dreamers. Without dreamers we wouldn't have the USA.

#22 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-20 10:21 AM | Reply

We're talking about 1/100 persons in the country. Bananas.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-20 10:23 AM | Reply

You folks think the right number of immigrants is between 0 and 1, huh?

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner

That is true for the "no skill" but not true for all immigrants.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-20 11:15 AM | Reply

I guess this is what you think is so great about low skilled immigrants.

More than half of the nation's immigrants

According to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies, a majority of immigrant-led households receive some form of welfare benefit. USA TODAY
Migrant worker

More than half of the nation's immigrants receive some kind of government welfare, a figure that's far higher than the native-born population's, according to a report to be released Wednesday.

About 51% of immigrant-led households receive at least one kind of welfare benefit, including Medicaid, food stamps, school lunches and housing assistance, compared to 30% for native-led households, according to the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates for lower levels of immigration.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-20 11:19 AM | Reply

5 immigration myths debunked

Myth # 1: They don't pay taxes

Myth # 2: They don't pay into Social Security

Myth #3: They drain the system

Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.

Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.

Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care.

Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.

A CBO report on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 concluded that a path to legalization for immigrants would increase federal revenues by $48 billion. Such a plan would see $23 billion in increased costs from the use of public services, but ultimately, it would produce a surplus of $25 billion for government coffers, CBO said.

Myth # 4: They take American jobs

Myth # 5: It's just a matter of following the law

money.cnn.com

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-20 11:42 AM | Reply

#25 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-01-20 11:19 AM | FLAG: Quoting Race Supremacy Groups Dissolves Any Authority You May Have Had.

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is a non-profit research organization "that favors far lower immigration numbers and produces research to further those views." ... Critics have accused the CIS of extremist nativist views and for ties to white supremacy groups, which the CIS rejects.
Center for Immigration Studies - Wikipedia

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-20 02:49 PM | Reply

Maybe Sniper would like to explain how the presence of a little old lady from Iran harms him.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 03:02 PM | Reply

"About 51% of immigrant-led households receive at least one kind of welfare benefit, including Medicaid, food stamps, school lunches and housing assistance, compared to 30% for native-led households,"

Sniper lying? No way! newrepublic.com

Center for Immigration Studies Report Exaggerates Immigrant Welfare Use
www.cato.org

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-20 03:10 PM | Reply

Nulli is the guy who fears everyone and everything so allowing immigration to actually happen frightens him to death. He's just a pathetic little man who doesn't understand how things actually work and that without immigration we would be a backwater nation instead of the wealthiest nation on Earth. Diversity is our strength, always has been, always will be. The ideas of those most hated immigrants will be our future. And the Nulli's of this world will be standing on the sidelines whining that some immigrant got some job he wanted because he was smarter and better educated than some American.

#21 | POSTED BY DANNI

I hope you get your blood pressure checked frequently.

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-20 05:36 PM | Reply

Myth # 4: They take American jobs

Yep, its a myth, they take Greek jobs!!!

#31 | Posted by Crassus at 2018-01-21 12:15 AM | Reply

'A vast 87 percent support the DACA immigration program that Trump ended and whose fate in Congress is uncertain -- including two-thirds of strong conservatives, three-quarters of evangelical white Protestants and as many Republicans, core Trump groups.

And 63 percent overall oppose a U.S.-Mexico border wall, essentially unchanged since before the 2016 election.'

abcnews.go.com

Not a myth.

And not fake news.

#30

Danni spot on again, NullnVoid still without an argument.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-21 01:08 AM | Reply

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