Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, January 12, 2018

Posing as prohibited persons or out-of-state buyers, what happened when government agents tried to purchase guns online? The short answer. Unless they went to the dark web, they were rejected. Findings in a two-year study, conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), tell the tale. For clarity, the "surface web" is the regular internet you and I use every day. For the study, agents went to a variety of online destinations to attempt to purchase firearms, including retailers, auction hubs and marketplaces, classified listings, forums and social media platforms. The bottom line is that all 72 attempts "to illegally purchase firearms from private sellers on the surface web were unsuccessful," as the report stated. Translation: the majority of online gun sellers are law-abiding.

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Agents used a variety of scenarios during the test. Each scenario, whether it was pretending to be a felon or having a dishonorable discharge from the military or living in a different state than the seller and not wanting the transfer to go through an FFL, would disqualify one from purchasing a firearm.

Of the 72 sales, the numbers break down like so: 29 sellers refused to ship across state lines w/o an FFL, 27 refused after they learned that the buyer was a prohibited person, five of the sales were shut down by the website once the buyer entered in profile information disclosing that they were prohibited person or out-of-state buyer and the 11 remaining attempts, well, this is rather interesting.

"In the 11 remaining attempts, we encountered private sellers that appeared to have scammed us, or attempted to scam us, after we disclosed our prohibited status or asked to avoid using an FFL," stated the report. "In two of these instances, we made a payment and never received the firearm or a refund," it continued. "In the remaining nine attempted scams, our agents determined that the seller may not be legitimate and therefore did not complete the purchase."

Apart from the scammers who are endemic to every internet sales forum out there, regardless of the product, the takeaway is that there are more scrupulous gun sellers on the Internet than feckless ones. This bucks the anti-gun narrative that the internet is a hotbed for illegal gun sales. It's not.

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I guess you libs have been lying to yourselves for years about this.

#1 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:06 PM | Reply

Guess you are still an idiot after all these years.

There are many ways to buy guns on the internet.

Here is one. The search took .66 seconds.

www.revealnews.org

Here is another...

There is a sizeable online market for private, background check-free gun sales, according to a 2013 study by Third Way, a center-left think tank. Focusing on the website Armslist.com, a sort of Craigslist for firearms and accessories, in 10 states, Third Way found 2,000 ads from individuals looking to purchase guns from private sellers specifically.

www.washingtonpost.com

www.armslist.com

#2 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-12 01:31 PM | Reply

Guess this really does prove that stronger gun control measures are needed since the ones in place are working as well as they can be working and yet guns still are getting into the hands of the bad guys and the psychopaths.

#3 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-12 01:38 PM | Reply

#2 DONNERBOY
From your link.
www.revealnews.org
Federal law allows individuals who live in the same state to sells guns privately without a background check or paperwork. Out-of-state sales require a licensed gun dealer to serve as an intermediary.

#3 | POSTED BY MODER8

Reveal recently exposed the flaws in eBay's policy against selling assault weapon parts on its website. But Craigslist's gun ban goes even further. Buying or selling any guns, gun parts or ammunition is plainly prohibited, along with prescription drugs, food stamps and anything deemed "offensive, obscene, defamatory, threatening, or malicious."

So the problem is lack of enforcement of eBay's and Craigslist policies as well as Federal laws. If these online loopholes are so plentiful and big, why couldn't the GAO buy weapons online?

#4 | Posted by Whizzo at 2018-01-12 02:20 PM | Reply

"Translation: the majority of online gun sellers are law-abiding."

How big a majority?

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-12 02:27 PM | Reply

No Whizzo. The problem is that the laws are not written broadly enough to encompass the majority of illegal gun transfer. This article proves we need tougher gun control laws. Thanks for posting it.

#6 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-12 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How big a majority?
#5 | SNOOFY

99.998% - Now you pick a number.

#7 | Posted by Whizzo at 2018-01-12 02:47 PM | Reply

#6 | MODER8

You're shooting from the hip again. (see what I did there?) Read the article.

#8 | Posted by Whizzo at 2018-01-12 02:49 PM | Reply

You just don't want to acknowledge that gun control laws work. The problem we have now is that there are not enough laws on the books, and those laws that are on the books are not restrictive enough. Again, thank you for posting this article.

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-12 02:53 PM | Reply

#9 | MODER8
Having purchased several guns through the years, I believe that current gun laws work, when enforced.
A LE friend sold me a pistol, private transaction, with bills of sale, him to me as the seller, me to him as the buyer. We both signed both copies. This provides a chain of custody.
I purchased a shotgun from a friend years ago. The laws were looser back then. No bill of sale, but I made a copy of the transaction for my records.
Recently I bought a pistol from an online gun shop. The seller was private, he listed it. To buy it I needed a background check and an FFL guy. It had to be sent to him where I picked it up.
No FFL guy, no gunshop sale. If I contact the seller direct to buy it and it's sent across state lines, illegal sale. If I go to the sellers state to buy it direct, illegal sale.
Craigslist has policies against selling weapons on their site. It isn't being enforced. If their lack of enforcement is illegal, bust 'em.
The majority of gun buyers and sellers are responsible and legal owners and sellers. Enforce the laws that are being violated. If you want more laws, pass laws that deal with illegal and irresponsible sellers and buyers. I can support those.

#10 | Posted by Whizzo at 2018-01-12 03:36 PM | Reply

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Well, as this article proves, the laws that are on the books are successfully enforced. The problem is, the laws on the books are not restrictive enough. That is the obvious message.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-12 04:21 PM | Reply

#2 | Posted by donnerboy

So, how does your bs stories and links conflict with the article? 72 attempts and no success.

#12 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 04:50 PM | Reply

"Translation: the majority of online gun sellers are law-abiding."

How big a majority?

#5 | Posted by snoofy

Looks like 72 to 0 sno. What is that percent sno? My math says 100%

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 04:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Well, as this article proves, the laws that are on the books are successfully enforced. The problem is, the laws on the books are not restrictive enough. That is the obvious message.

#11 | Posted by moder8

What is the answer to your supposed problem? Strict laws like we have against drugs? Now there is a success story.

#14 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 04:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

why couldn't the GAO buy weapons online?

#4 | Posted by Whizzo

I don't know.

Because they are idiots and didn't try hard enough?

chico.craigslist.org

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-12 05:33 PM | Reply

"How big a majority?
#5 | SNOOFY
99.998% - Now you pick a number."

I pick 50.002%

Also a "majority."

You must feel nice knowing half plus one of online gun sellers comply with the law.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-12 07:24 PM | Reply

Do you enjoy acting that ignorant sno? You are getting better at it every day.

#17 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-13 10:25 AM | Reply

Because they are idiots and didn't try hard enough?
chico.craigslist.org
#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-12 05:33 PM

Is it your claim that someone asking to purchase weapons is the same as someone being sold weapons? If not, why would you use that 'want to buy guns ad' as evidence? Do you think that the GAO, when attempting to purchase a weapon, didn't also make offers of that sort on the web only to find that the seller wouldn't sell due to the legality of the sale, as indicated in the article?

#18 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-13 10:38 AM | Reply

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