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Thursday, January 11, 2018

Too many of our nation's citizens live in the depths of hopelessness and despair. The news came and went so fast that you might have missed it. American life expectancy has declined. Again. In 2015 and 2016, in fact, the average American life span declined for two years in a row for the first time in more than 50 years. The preliminary numbers for 2017 are looking grim as well. Multi-year declines are typically attributable to war or disease outbreaks. In America? Our decline is based largely on our capacity for self-harm...

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This is sad, especially when the breakdown of self-inflicted deaths are analyzed.

There are no easy answers.

I encourage the DR community to read the piece linked to this thread. In no way is it partisan.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 03:21 PM | Reply

"American life span declined for two years in a row for the first time in more than 50 years"

Thanks Trump!

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-11 03:35 PM | Reply

To put that overdose number in perspective, in one year more Americans died of overdoses than were killed during the entire course of the Vietnam War.

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com

Keep allowing big pharma to push opioids on the public while declaring war on alternative pain relief in marijuana.

#3 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-11 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep allowing big pharma to push opioids on the public while declaring war on alternative pain relief in marijuana.
#3 | POSTED BY 726

Not to derail the thread...my mom's doctor has been talking to her about medical marijuana for some slightly chronic pain she has been dealing with.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 03:37 PM | Reply

Maybe this is an opportune time to ask dad which party is morally bankrupt on pain relief for mom.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 04:13 PM | Reply

Maybe this is an opportune time to ask dad which party is morally bankrupt on pain relief for mom.

#5 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The legislature last year passed new laws allowing licensed businesses to grow, process, transport, test and dispense medical marijuana. The laws brought businesses like medical marijuana dispensaries out of a legal grey area and put LARA and its newly-formed BMMR in charge of hammering out the details of what would be allowed and disallowed under the new system.

www.mlive.com

Which party has a governing majority in Michigan and which party does Michigan's governor belong to?

You're not going to like the answers to that question.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 04:24 PM | Reply

Leave it to Snoofy to take a non-partisan thread and try to make it partisan.

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 04:25 PM | Reply

Tis time for Single Payer health Care Coverage.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-11 04:28 PM | Reply

Laura,

How does single payer address overdose deaths?

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 04:29 PM | Reply

Laura,

How does single payer address overdose deaths?

Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 04:29 PM | Reply

By catching problems earlier could eliminate the need for opiod drugs in the first place.

#10 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-11 04:35 PM | Reply

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any link to back that up?

what we see reported almost daily are stories of folks who were inappropriately prescribed opioids in the first place and there was no management of afterward that has lead to thousands of deaths.......and people who had insurance coverage.

But if you have information that says otherwise.....I'm good with that.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-11 04:50 PM | Reply

It's so simple Jeff, I surprised you didn't figure it out on your own. :)

3 self-explanatory steps:

1. Single Payer.
2. ????
3. We all live forever.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-01-11 05:03 PM | Reply

"Which party has a governing majority in Michigan and which party does Michigan's governor belong to?"

Is it the same one Drug Warrior Jeff Sessions bongs to? Oops, typo, belongs to?

Non-partisan. "I do not think that word means what you think it means."

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 05:05 PM | Reply

any link to back that up?

what we see reported almost daily are stories of folks who were inappropriately prescribed opioids in the first place and there was no management of afterward that has lead to thousands of deaths.......and people who had insurance coverage.

But if you have information that says otherwise.....I'm good with that.

Posted by eberly at 2018-01-11 04:50 PM | Reply

Common sense dictates that regular visits to one's Doctor catches problems when they are small than waiting until the problem gets too big and you have BIG pains that require opiods to manage.

#14 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-11 05:15 PM | Reply

fair enough, Laura, but I'm willing to wager the problem with opioids are being blown apart by folks who have health coverage but maybe they are getting a little too much health services.

I know that sounds a little weird but you see my point with regard specifically with opioids, right?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-11 05:36 PM | Reply

"inappropriately prescribed opioids in the first place and there was no management of afterward"

"Afterward" kinda gets to the point Laura makes about single payer.

There ain't gonna be no "afterward" for people who lose their health insurance because they live in Kentucky, get Medicaid, and don't work.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 05:41 PM | Reply

'I'm willing to wager the problem with opioids are being blown apart by folks who have health coverage but maybe they are getting a little too much health services."

Yeah, funny thing, turns out visiting various doctors to shop for narcotics is a thing that's remarkably easy to spot in a single payer system, but a lot more difficult to spot when a person does it ten times, each at a different provider or insurance company.

But I like the effort you put into your Sisyphean task of defending our broken insurance "system" that kills people for profit. You're a true Company Man.

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 05:47 PM | Reply

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I am NOT defending our current system. I'm merely talking about opioid addiction and I agree that perhaps a single payer system (that we're a million miles away from) may catch folks who are shopping for drugs.

I have no interest in defending our current system. I make zero off of it, in case you thought I profited from it.

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-11 05:53 PM | Reply

"I am NOT defending our current system."

Stop resisting or I will be forced to Taser you again!

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 05:55 PM | Reply

fair enough, Laura, but I'm willing to wager the problem with opioids are being blown apart by folks who have health coverage but maybe they are getting a little too much health services.

I know that sounds a little weird but you see my point with regard specifically with opioids, right?

Posted by eberly at 2018-01-11 05:36 PM | Reply

www.drugabuse.gov

Opioid addiction is often described as an "equal opportunity" problem that can afflict people from all races and walks of life, but while true enough, this obscures the fact that the opioid crisis has particularly affected some of the poorest regions of the country, such as Appalachia, and that people living in poverty are especially at risk for addiction and its consequences like overdose or spread of HIV. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) considers people on Medicaid and other people with low-income to be at high risk for prescription drug overdose.

Some of the reasons have to do with access and quality of health care received by people in economically disadvantaged regions. According to the US Department of Health and Human Services, people on Medicaid are more likely to be prescribed opioids, at higher doses, and for longer durations -- increasing their risk for addiction and its associated consequences. They are also less likely to have access to evidence-based addiction treatment. But psychological factors also play a role. Last year, economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton attributed much of the increased mortality among middle-aged white Americans to direct and indirect health effects of substance use especially among those with less education, who have faced increasing economic challenges and increased psychological stress as a result.

Environmental and social stresses are an important predictor of many mental disorders, and decades of research using animal models have told us a great deal about how such stresses increase risk for substance use and even make the brain more prone to addiction. Among the best-known animal models of environmental stress and addiction risk are those involving social exclusion and isolation: Solitary animals show greater opioid self-administration than animals housed together, for example -- a finding originally made famous by the "Rat Park" experiment of Bruce K. Alexander in the 1970s and replicated by other researchers

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-11 05:58 PM | Reply

Opioid abuse is a complex issue. Single payer systems can track doctor shopping and some block dispensing if a pattern of abuse is found.
However, Canada has a big opioid crisis and it has single payer. The problem there is illegal fentanyl getting to the black market. Single payer doesn't do much for that. De-criminalization might help, as unregulated opioid purity is the main cause of overdoses.

We need to accept the fact that police can't stop drug use, so it is time to focus on reducing drug use harm.

#21 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-11 06:10 PM | Reply

I'm kind of bored today so I am giving Bored a NW.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-12 12:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I guess we have something to be thankful for with the passage of o'bummer care. Let them old farts die at home without medical care.

#23 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:14 PM | Reply

Keep allowing big pharma to push opioids on the public while declaring war on alternative pain relief in marijuana.

#3 | Posted by 726

I suppose you think big pharma writes the prescriptions. WOW, no wonder you are a lib dem.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Tis time for Single Payer health Care Coverage.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-11 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Laura,

How does single payer address overdose deaths?

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

It is just PFM Jeff. Just pure magic.

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:18 PM | Reply

I agree that perhaps a single payer system (that we're a million miles away from) may catch folks who are shopping for drugs.

#18 | Posted by eberly

With big government running it? You are funny.

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:21 PM | Reply

Snippy do you ever tire of being wrong?
I had a contract with Canada over 15 years ago where I wrote systems that identify and block people that get prescriptions for controlled drugs from multiple docs. They also check for lost pill replacement abuse.

#27 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-13 01:59 AM | Reply

bor, look at what is happening to the single payer system in england............. Look at the single payer system called the VA. Do you ever get tired of acting stoopid or were you born that way?

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-13 10:23 AM | Reply

You mean the system where no one goes bankrupt after getting a serious illness, which happens to most people in life? Or where no one worries about getting essential medical care for themselves or loved ones, no matter their current financial situation. Those systems? The ones that deliver better outcomes than the US system for far less money.

I don't know about the VA, but I guess it suffers from having to pander to whiny veterns that are used to the government wiping their butts for them.

#29 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-13 03:12 PM | Reply

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