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Thursday, January 11, 2018

President Donald Trump -- who boasted over the weekend that his success in life was a result of "being, like, really smart" -- communicates at the lowest grade level of the last 15 presidents, according to a new analysis of the speech patterns of presidents going back to Herbert Hoover. The analysis assessed the first 30,000 words each president spoke in office, and ranked them on the Flesch-Kincaid grade level scale and more than two dozen other common tests analyzing English-language difficulty levels. Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level. National security adviser H.R. McMaster reportedly called Trump an "idiot" with the intelligence of a "kindergartener" back in November. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson reportedly called the president "a ------- moron."

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Sadly that is 2-3 grade levels too high for most of his voters.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-11 07:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Interesting Factoid,

Trump and Oprah, according to this site, both speak at an average of a 7.1 grade level.

Interesting thoughts from the article given, but this seems to offer a little more comprehensive breakdown and comparison to other speakers and historical speeches.

quote.com

Either way, speaking more simply to get received by a wider audience is a practice all speakers utilize - to different levels depending who they are speaking to.

Remember, Donald Trump has to try to speak to the multitude of the country who couldn't figure out how to vote this past election.

#2 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2018-01-11 08:47 AM | Reply

"Interesting Factoid, "

Except it isn't a fact. I read the articly and reviewed the results of their analysis and it is utter nonsense.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-11 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Interesting Factoid"

More like Factard

#4 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-11 12:08 PM | Reply

Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level

That is so all the democrats would know what he was saying.

#5 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The schoolyard-level taunts are a dead giveaway:

Lille Marco
Lyin' Ted
Crooked Hillary
Sloppy Steve

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

4th graders should sue for defamation.

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-11 01:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sorry to tell you this but most news papers print at a fifth grade level. Sometimes to be clear, you also must also keep it simple.

#8 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11 01:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lincoln spoke at a filth grade level, so did Reagan and they were considered great communicators. Obama and Wilson spoke at a twelfth grade level and no one remembers a thing they said.

#9 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11 01:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lincoln spoke at a filth grade level

#9 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11

No he didn't. Jeez, Gettysburg Address and all that.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-11 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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Lincoln spoke at a filth grade level, so did Reagan and they were considered great communicators. Obama and Wilson spoke at a twelfth grade level and no one remembers a thing they said.
#9 | Posted by docnjo

At what point do people get tired of being wrong?

www.cmu.edu

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-11 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Only someone who themselves reads at a 5th grade level would believe that Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was written by someone with a 5th grade reading level.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-11 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Do point out where the Gettysburg address exceeds a fifth grade reading level? As I remember, I was required to memorize that document in the 6th grade.

#13 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11 02:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12 Words per sentence is what brings the level down significantly. It had a very short word per sentence, structure.

#14 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2018-01-11 02:20 PM | Reply

"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate--we cannot consecrate--we cannot hallow--this ground.

The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us--that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion --that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain--that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom--and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-11 02:21 PM | Reply

12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday, Brevity and simplicity is the true mark of genius. As the other individual who spoke at that occasion said, Mr Lincoln said more in 90 seconds than I did in 90 minutes.

#16 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11 02:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Lincoln spoke at a filth grade level

I would take a 5th grader over a 10th grader today. Those kids studied latin, the classics of philosophy, history, and literature. What do today's students read? Harry Potter, Game of Thrones?

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-11 02:22 PM | Reply

#17 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You'd undoubtedly like the books my oldest son has had to read for his 3 1/2 years of high school.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 02:25 PM | Reply

- What do today's students read?

The Idiot's Guide to Avoiding Curmudgery.

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-11 02:28 PM | Reply

I can't listen to Trump talk. Bush was bad, Hillary was super whiny. Trump is both of those on steroids. I'm not sure how he would be better served-to stop talking or stop tweeting.

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-11 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lincoln spoke at a "filth" grade level

#9 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-11

Racist!

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-11 06:20 PM | Reply

Do point out where the Gettysburg address exceeds a fifth grade reading level? As I remember, I was required to memorize that document in the 6th grade.
#13 | Posted by docnjo

I guess you're not quite tired of being wrong

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By comparison, the U.S. Constitution is written at a 17.8 grade level and the Declaration of Independence at a 15.1 grade level. The Gettysburg Address comes in at an 11.2 grade level

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-11 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Docnjo's appallingly proud stupidity is indicative of your average Trump supporter.

#23 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-01-12 07:36 AM | Reply

Lincoln spoke at a filth grade level, so did Reagan and they were considered great communicators. Obama and Wilson spoke at a twelfth grade level and no one remembers a thing they said.

#9 | Posted by docnjo

That would be because little o never said anything worth remembering.

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 11:29 AM | Reply

Only someone who themselves reads at a 5th grade level would believe that Lincoln's Gettysburg Address was written by someone with a 5th grade reading level.

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Tell me buttercup, what grade level was it written in?

#25 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 11:30 AM | Reply

Lesson: Gettysburg Address

Grade Level: Elementary 3/4

Time: 60 min class period

ILLINOIS STATE LEARNING STANDARDS:

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 11:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not the 4th grade level, despite that lesson plan.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-12 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just because the speech can be taught at a 4th grade level doesn't mean that: 1) it was written by someone (Lincoln) who had a 4th grade reading level; or that 2) 4th graders will understand the speech in the same way someone with a higher reading level would.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-12 11:45 AM | Reply

My guess would be that if you talk to those 4th grade students after they completed the assignment and asked them what the GA is about, most of them will say it meant what the teacher said it meant. It's the same thing with teaching someone like Shakespeare in high school. Many students will tell you what the play is about based on what the teacher (or something like Cliff Notes) said it was about, not based on the actual text itself. In both instances, the students will understand parts of the text, which is why it gets taught, but not all of it, and they will draw their conclusions about the latter based on the teacher's comments, classroom discussions or outside sources.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-12 12:08 PM | Reply

Not the 4th grade level, despite that lesson plan.

#27 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Tell me buttercup, what grade level was it written in? It was an assignment for the 4th grade, so must be written at grade 16 for the 4th graders to understand it?

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 01:12 PM | Reply

"Tell me buttercup, what grade level was it written in?"

From the link TH posted in #11:

In terms of grammar, none of the presidents and presidential candidates could compare with Lincoln's Gettysburg Address -- an admittedly high standard, with grammar well above the 10th grade level.

From the link TH posted #22:

By comparison, the U.S. Constitution is written at a 17.8 grade level and the Declaration of Independence at a 15.1 grade level. The Gettysburg Address comes in at an 11.2 grade level.

"It was an assignment for the 4th grade, so must be written at grade 16 for the 4th graders to understand it?"

Reread my post #29.

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-12 01:30 PM | Reply

"Do point out where the Gettysburg address exceeds a fifth grade reading level? As I remember, I was required to memorize that document in the 6th grade."

See my previous post. Also, it is important to note that someone can memorize something without understanding what is being said. For example, someone can memorize these lines from "Jabberwocky" without knowing what the "words" mean because they literally don't mean anything:

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

It is helpful to know what something means in order to memorize it, but it's not a pre-requisite. This thread has reminded me of a trip I once took on Metro North during which several West Point cadets stood up throughout the train car practicing reciting some passages of Shakespeare. I wasn't sure all the Cadets understood exactly what all of Shakespeare's words meant, but I gave them points for their enthusiastic delivery.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-12 01:39 PM | Reply

Come on Gal! That smells of book learning!

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-12 01:47 PM | Reply

#12 Words per sentence is what brings the level down significantly. It had a very short word per sentence, structure.

#14 | Posted by HeuristicGratis

So, how does the average dem understand anything? Speaking in plain, simple English does not make one stoopid. It allows most everyone to understand what you are saying. Just look at dok's ramblings, where knoiw one has any idea what the hell he is talking about, including dok.

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-12 04:46 PM | Reply

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