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Wednesday, January 10, 2018

More people died from police violence in 2017 than the total number of U.S. soldiers killed in action around the globe (21). More people died at the hands of police in 2017 than the number of black people who were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow (161 in 1892). Cops killed more Americans in 2017 than terrorists did (four). They killed more citizens than airplanes (13 deaths worldwide), mass shooters (428 deaths) and Chicago's "top gang thugs" (675 Chicago homicides). A 26-year-old man was gunned down by police who banged on the wrong door at 1:30 am, failed to identify themselves as police, and then repeatedly shot and killed the innocent homeowner who answered the door while holding a gun in self-defense, the justices of the high court refused to intervene to address police misconduct. Does anyone care until it effects their family?

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Despite the fact that police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people nationwide for the third year in a row (many of whom were unarmed, mentally ill, minors or were shot merely because militarized police who were armed to the hilt "feared" for their safety), the Supreme Court will not act to right the wrongs being meted out by the American police state.

The U.S. government is actively doing everything in its power to ensure that the killing spree continues. Jeff Sessions has made a concerted effort to expand the police state's power to search, strip, seize, raid, steal from, arrest and jail Americans for any infraction, no matter how insignificant.

Although "knock-and-talk" policing has become a thinly veiled, warrantless -- lethal -- exercise by which citizens are coerced and intimidated into "talking" with heavily armed police who "knock" on their doors in the middle of the night, the Supreme Court will not make the government play by the rules of the Constitution.

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And the sickest thing is that there is really no reason why. It's not done to prevent crime or protect the innocent. It's merely done to protect the police themselves. I really don't even understand why the modern American police force even exists except to protect itself.

#1 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2018-01-10 07:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The police are a tool in a broader class war, protecting the few rich from the millions of working class. The police intrinsically understand this and treat the rich very politely.

#2 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-10 07:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The police intrinsically understand this and treat the rich very politely.

#2 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

I'm not rich and during the few interactions I've had with police where I live they couldn't have been more polite.

#3 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 08:25 AM | Reply

As I have told y'all before, this is not an accident, it is intentional. It is a planned program designed to intimidate Americans and it is working. When and if we descend into depression the rich need to know that the proles aren't going to come for them and the only way to prepare for that scenario is to condition the proles to know that opposition to the powers that be is fatal. Sure worked well in Egypt, Russia, Syria, Iran, Myanmar, all over the world. Why do Americans think we're immune? We have some of the highest income disparity in the world.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I'm not rich and during the few interactions I've had with police where I live they couldn't have been more polite."

Compared to the people getting shot you are rich and priveleged. Homeowner? Savings? Trust me, you're rich.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not rich and during the few interactions I've had with police where I live they couldn't have been more polite.

#3 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-01-10 08:25 AM | FLAG:

You don't know what poor is. It starts with the way you look, the way you speak, your body language, everything.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-01-10 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Despite the fact that police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people nationwide

Were any of those justified?

#7 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 10:48 AM | Reply

Despite the fact that police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people nationwide
Were any of those justified?
#7 | Posted by JeffJ

Define justified?

Most other civilized countries are able to operate criminal justice systems without killing their citizens.

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 10:52 AM | Reply

I'd say that the baby that was maimed by a flash-bang grenade was unjustified, but that simply my opinion. He didn't die, though. Better luck next time, eh?

www.copblock.org

#9 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-10 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Define justified?

Self preservation. Or should they not allowed to try and protect themselves if they are being shot at?

#10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 11:07 AM | Reply

Define justified?
Self preservation. Or should they not allowed to try and protect themselves if they are being shot at?
#10 | Posted by JeffJ

Are the police responsible for acting in a way that minimizes their own danger? You know like standing back and deescalating a situation or calming a person suffering a mental breakdown or NOT driving right up on someone they THINK is holding a gun?

You know one of the millions of ways that the police could change their tactics to reduce the need to discharge their weapons?

#11 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 11:10 AM | Reply

Hey, here's a video of cops shooting a dude with his hands up out the window. His kid was in a car seat next to him and received five shots to the head and chest. The little boy didn't survive.

www.nytimes.com

#12 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-10 11:11 AM | Reply

I guess what I'm getting it is the statistics being bandied about would be far more meaningful if they were qualified.

Despite the fact that police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people nationwide for the third year in a row (many of whom were unarmed, mentally ill, minors or were shot merely because militarized police who were armed to the hilt "feared" for their safety)

Many of whom? That is so vague that it's meaningless.

For the record, I've seen video footage of some egregious - and what I'd deem to be criminal - shootings. I am not suggesting it never happens. We have video proof that it does happen. What I'd like to know is what percentage of the total these shootings comprise.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 11:11 AM | Reply

Are the police responsible for acting in a way that minimizes their own danger? You know like standing back and deescalating a situation or calming a person suffering a mental breakdown or NOT driving right up on someone they THINK is holding a gun?

Of course. But they not only have their own safety to be concerned about, but the safety of citizens they've sworn to protect.

Are you suggesting the use of deadly force is never justified?

#14 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 11:12 AM | Reply

Are you suggesting the use of deadly force is never justified?
#14 | Posted by JeffJ

nope, absolutely not, but I am saying that many if not MOST of the use of deadly use of force would be avoided by proper police tactics

#15 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 11:16 AM | Reply

Here's a pregnant lady with four kids who was killed by police after calling 911 to report a burglary.

www.scarymommy.com

Scrolling down, a local charity organization is asking for Diapers, Size 3 & 5; Clothes, boy 12 mos, girl 4T; diaper wipes, jackets, socks needed.

#16 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-10 11:17 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Or should they not allowed to try and protect themselves if they are being shot at?" - #10 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 11:07 AM

It isn't the "being shot at" that's the issue.

This is the issue:

Black Americans are more than twice as likely as white Americans to be unarmed when they're fatally shot by police.
Despite the lie that IQ45 keeps repeating, that is the reason why Colin Kaepernick and other NFL players have taken a knee during the playing of the National Anthem.

#17 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wow, I think we are all of the same page. I for one advocate extensive training for police with regards to mental health issues, de-escalation makes EVERYONE safer, but it requires a specific skill set that the police generally don't have. Their tactics make everyone less safe.

#18 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What I'd like to know is what percentage of the total these shootings comprise."

Black Americans are more than twice as likely as white Americans to be unarmed when they're fatally shot by police.

Over 200%, compared to whites.

#19 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-10 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yep...I think it's time to get rid of cops. If you think about it, they're rarely ever in a position to save you from grave danger beforehand...they only act as a possible deterrent by punishing those who have already committed crimes...

#20 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 01:49 PM | Reply

#1 of course there's reason why and i'm sure you know what it is.
however, if i had to represent it in a single word, at the level of such killings as these, that word remains: money.
prohibition's corrosion of law and order is an old juggernaut that yields both money and power, and kills. obviously, albeit discriminately.

#21 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-10 03:02 PM | Reply

"You know one of the millions of ways that the police could change their tactics to reduce the need to discharge their weapons?"

They could also change their weapons. I think it's reasonable that a stun device could be developed that could be attached to a picatinny or weaver rail on a service weapon. That would give the officer a non-lethal options for those time when they might be able to effectively employ one against a real or potential adversary.

I've seen them for Long Guns, but never for the smaller handguns favored by cops.

#22 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Self preservation. Or should they not allowed to try and protect themselves if they are being shot at?

#10 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

That's not even a question that should be asked. Did you even skim the article? (admittedly that's as far as I went)

The issue is the Police having no accountability when they use lethal force against a. people they've been called to help or serve or b. people who weren't under investigation, criminals or otherwise of interest until they were involved in a lethal force incident.

The cops who shot the guy in his apartment should be held accountable for that. "Ooops, wrong apartment" shouldn't cover for the fact that they just killed somebody who had every right to be armed in their home and who had zero reason to believe it was a police officer at their door.

#23 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-10 11:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Here's a pregnant lady with four kids who was killed by police after calling 911 to report a burglary."

Clear Case Of Self Preservation
Signed,
The Cops

#24 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What I'd like to know is what percentage of the total these shootings comprise.
#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

What's the acceptable threshold, about 50% you figure?

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 11:07 PM | Reply

Let's take a look at the numbers of Police Officers assaulted in the line of duty, the number of Police Officers injured (defined by emergency room/hospital admissions) and the number of Police officers killed over the past 8 years (data only available through 2015):

YEAR DEATHS* ASSAULTS** ASSAULTS WITH INJURIES**
2007 202 61,257 15,736
2008 159 61,087 15,554
2009 135 57,268 14,948
2010 169 56,491 14,744
2011 178 55,631 14,798
2012 137 53,867 14,678
2013 116 49,851 14,565
2014 136 49,725 13,824
2015 137 51,548 14,453

If you had a 6% chance of going to the emergency room as part of your job duties each year, would you keep that job?

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 11:37 PM | Reply

"If you had a 6% chance of going to the emergency room as part of your job duties each year, would you keep that job?"

Their employment arrangement requires those visits. It's a spurious statistic.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 12:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 if you knew that but decided that shooting people was the best way to avoid the 6% chance, should you keep that job?

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-11 01:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28

Over 14,000 cops went to the Hospital, 137 died in 2015. Do you want that job?

Didn't think so.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-11 01:51 AM | Reply

It's a spurious statistic.

That's about as DRtard as it gets.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-11 01:52 AM | Reply

"Over 14,000 cops went to the Hospital, 137 died in 2015. Do you want that job?"

Obviously over 14,000 people do, so I'm not sure what axe you think you're grinding here

Cops are required to visit the ER when they scrape a knuckle killing an unarmed pregnant lady. That's just the way it is.

Don't you, like, know any cops in real life? You're a lawyer, I bet you do, and you know I'm right, and that's why you figure you can bluff this one.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 02:14 AM | Reply

"137 died in 2015."

Roughly half of those actually got killed by bad guys.

The rest did ---- like slipped on the ice and cracked their piggy head, or drove home drunk and crashed their porkmobile.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 02:16 AM | Reply

"137 died in 2015."
Roughly half of those actually got killed by bad guys.
The rest did ---- like slipped on the ice and cracked their piggy head, or drove home drunk and crashed their porkmobile.

#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Link?

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 12:35 PM | Reply

You ask me for a source, but not Roc for his source

Because you're a boot licker.

Nor that we didn't already know that about you.

You never answered "What's the acceptable threshold, about 50% you figure?"

Well, what's your answer, tough guy?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 12:43 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

You're so cute when you get all emotional

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 12:56 PM | Reply

He should have provided a source. But it was pretty clear he cut and pasted from a source. You looked like you were talking out of your ass.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-11 12:57 PM | Reply

A Chicago cop drove up to a situation where multiple Squad Cars had surrounded a teen with a pocket knife, who was walking away from the shooter cop, and shot the kid 16 times, Jeff. Just got out of his car, took out his gun, and without asking any questions, shot the kid 16 times. Then he made up a ---- and bull story that the kid was threatening him with the pocket knife and several other cops lied and substantiated the murderous cop's version. Cops then went into the Burger place where the execution took place and demanded to see the security camera video footage. The manager set them up to view it, and erased the video.

Do you think this murderous cop who rolled up, and shot the kid 16 times was afraid for his life? Do you think the other cops who lied to cover up the murder were afraid for their lives?

#37 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-01-11 05:33 PM | Reply

A Chicago cop [Van Dyke] drove up to a situation where multiple Squad Cars had surrounded a teen with a pocket knife, who was walking away from the shooter cop, and shot the kid 16 times

Dec. 16, 2015 Van Dyke indicted on six counts of first-degree murder and and one count of official misconduct.

June 27, 2017 Three current and former Chicago police officers, David March, Joseph Walsh and Thomas Gaffney are charged with conspiracy, official misconduct and obstruction of justice connected with covering up the shooting. March was the lead detective and Walsh was Van Dyke's partner on the night of the fatal shooting.
www.chicagotribune.com

#38 | Posted by et_al at 2018-01-11 06:52 PM | Reply

"137 died in 2015."
Roughly half of those actually got killed by bad guys.
The rest did ---- like slipped on the ice and cracked their piggy head, or drove home drunk and crashed their porkmobile.
#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY
Link?
#33 | Posted by JeffJ

here you go lazy boy

www.npr.org

But despite several high-profile shootings of police in 2015, the group also says more officers died in traffic-related events (52) than from gunfire (42).

#39 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-11 07:05 PM | Reply

the level of policing is insane and this came about by the perpetual corrosion of Liberties by Drug Prohibition. period.

#40 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-11 07:47 PM | Reply

He should have provided a source.

Sorry, I must have miscoded the html and it dropped out, as I always source my posts:

NLEO: Deaths, Assaults and Injuries in the Line of Duty

And nice deflection on the car accident stat, Goofy, I'm sure that 13,999 of those hospital visits were for "scraping a knuckle killing an unarmed pregnant lady."

As a former prosecutor, I know lots of LAPD, LASD and FBI, and my cousin is a Captain in the NYPD. Easy for you DRtards to sit in your boxers and call these people out while hiding behind your computer monitor, I am sure if some thug held a gun to your heads and threatened to kill you that you would be really glad when they showed up to save your pathetic asses.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-11 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

As a former prosecutor, I know lots of LAPD, LASD and FBI, and my cousin is a Captain in the NYPD. Easy for you DRtards to sit in your boxers and call these people out while hiding behind your computer monitor, I am sure if some thug held a gun to your heads and threatened to kill you that you would be really glad when they showed up to save your pathetic asses.
#41 | Posted by Rightocenter

As a current citizen of the US I have experienced police lying to generate charges

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-11 09:53 PM | Reply

"He should have provided a source. But it was pretty clear he cut and pasted from a source. You looked like you were talking out of your ass."

Go dig up his source, and you'll see it's you are talking out your ass.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 10:09 PM | Reply

JeffJ: Nevermind, source is in #39.

And now, you get the pleasure of saying "I was wrong, Snoofy was right."

Have a nice evening!

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-11 10:11 PM | Reply

, I am sure if some thug held a gun to your heads and threatened to kill you that you would be really glad when they showed up to save your pathetic asses.

Blow it out your ass, drama queen.

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-12 11:21 PM | Reply

BTW I'll add being a sycophantic --------- because your ex's cousin's dogcatcher's neighbor was a cop makes you even more pathetic. Grow a pair, numbnuts. As citizens we have every right to criticize cops, whether it gives you the vapors or not.

#46 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-12 11:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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