Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Seeking a bipartisan compromise to avoid a government shutdown, President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that an immigration deal could be reached in two phases -- first by addressing young immigrants and border security with what he called a "bill of love," then by making comprehensive changes that have long eluded Congress. Trump presided over a lengthy meeting with Republican and Democratic lawmakers seeking a solution for hundreds of thousands of young people who were brought to the U.S. as children and living here illegally. The president, congressional Republicans and Democrats expressed optimism for a deal just 10 days before a government shutdown deadline. Trump said he was willing to be flexible in finding an agreement as Democrats warned that the lives of hundreds of thousands of immigrants hung in the balance.

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The White House said after the meeting that lawmakers had agreed to narrow the scope of the negotiations to four areas: border security, family-based "chain migration," the visa lottery, and the DACA policy, winning nods from Democrats.

"It's encouraging that the president seems open to a narrow deal protecting the Dreamers," said Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York.

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Wait, what? This isn't what we were told was going to happen...

-The DR Left

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 04:56 PM | Reply

"bill of love", rofl! That could be a ------------- in Trump parlance.

"Trump said he was willing to be flexible in finding an agreement as Democrats..." which is the same thing he said months ago before he torpedoed the process.

Dems better count their fingers after they shake this con artist's tiny hands.

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-09 05:33 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

We were told Mexico would pay for the wall. Aren't you upset your dotarded hero lied to you?

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-09 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We were told Mexico would pay for the wall.

Given the fact that you believed the DNC when you were told that Corporations would never pay a tax on foreign profits, it's clear that you will believe anything you are told.

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 06:38 PM | Reply

This meeting was confusing and made clear Trump has no idea what he wants or what he is doing. He basically agreed with whatever they last person who talked had said. At one point he said he would sign a clean dreamer act.

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-01-09 06:50 PM | Reply

Wait, what? This isn't what we were told was going to happen...
-The DR Left
#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

Wait, what? This is different from what Trump said yesterday and will say tomorrow?
-Reality

#6 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-09 07:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6

Looks like we are both right.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 07:09 PM | Reply

A very stable genius at work:

Ryan Struyk‏ @ryanstruyk

TRUMP, word for word: "I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security."
10:44 AM - 9 Jan 2018

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-09 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The above aren't the words of a cognizant human being. Makes you wonder:

Gabriel Sherman‏ @gabrielsherman

Joe Scarborough says Washington Post twice wouldn't let him print in his column that a source close to Trump told him Trump has early onset dementia
4:39 AM - 8 Jan 2018

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-09 07:34 PM | Reply

Conservatives Alarmed By Trump's ‘Comprehensive Immigration Reform' Talk

But they're not sure he knew what he was saying because the president is new at, you know, politics.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#10 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-09 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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Gal, these deflections are expected from Corky or Snoofy, but beneath you.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 12:46 AM | Reply

"Trump said he was willing to be flexible in finding an agreement as Democrats..." which is the same thing he said months ago before he torpedoed the process.

Is not a Deflection, it's a fact, Gomer.

But now a judge has ordered Trump to restart the DACA protections, so maybe Trump won't have another chance to renege on his offers yet again.

#12 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-10 01:01 AM | Reply

TRUMP, word for word: "I think a clean DACA bill, to me, is a DACA bill, but we take care of the 800,000 people ... but I think, to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA, we take care of them, and we also take care of security."

Okay. Where are the two steps?
Maybe RoC can find them?

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 01:12 AM | Reply

"Given the fact that you believed the DNC when you were told that Corporations would never pay a tax on foreign profits, it's clear that you will believe anything you are told."

Given that I never remember any liberal saying that perhaps you would like to take back your attempt at lying?

#14 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just this week he revoked DACA for 200,000 immigrants from El Salvador. I think we can conclude that this man has no humanity and he really uses Dreamers lives as bargaining chips to get what he wants. There should be no negotiation, the Dreamers should get permanent residency and a path to citizenship immediately without any deal making. America needs to do what is right not what is politically most advantageous to one side or the other.
Also, talk of ending "chain immigration" is repulsive and unAmerican, it's disgusting. It's breaking up families. It's ending a long tradition in America and one of the basic ways we built the nation. Anyone who supports ending it is UnAmerican. Under Trump they have virtually ended it anyway by so delaying visa applications, except from rich nations, that it takes so many thousands of dollars and years of waiting for a Mother to sponsor her own son that it becomes a futile and heartbreaking effort. I know this from personal experience. Has anyone noticed lately that the Statue of Liberty is now facing the shore with her back to immigrants entering NY harbor? Did they do that in the middle of the night on Jan. 20, 2017?

#15 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"bill of love", rofl! That could be a ------------- in Trump parlance.

That's just the paid help.

If Trump is using the word love you know he's gonna s@$! all over them.

#16 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-10 09:58 AM | Reply

Gal, these deflections are expected from Corky or Snoofy, but beneath you.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

It's not a deflection to point out that you're an idiot for believing a single word that tumbles out of the mouth of our beloved Dotard in Chief.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2018-01-10 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Wait, what? This isn't what we were told was going to happen...
-The DR Left"

Because that (whatever you think that is) is not what is going to happen

Have not been paying attention?

Have you learned nothing yet?

Are you really that dain bramaged?

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-10 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wait, what? This isn't what we were told was going to happen...
-The DR Left

#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

He also said he wants about $33 billion for his "Bill of Love."

Pop Quiz: In the last 30 years, only two presidents have reduced the Deficit. Name them and their party!

#19 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-10 10:52 AM | Reply

"Trump said he was willing to be flexible in finding an agreement as Democrats..." which is the same thing he said months ago before he torpedoed the process.
Is not a Deflection, it's a fact, Gomer.
But now a judge has ordered Trump to restart the DACA protections, so maybe Trump won't have another chance to renege on his offers yet again.

#12 | Posted by Corky

A judge wouldn't do that because DACA is unconstitutional

-JefeJ

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 10:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

better send ROC for a medical checkup. ...

#21 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-10 11:13 AM | Reply

Guessing...Carter and Clinton both Democrats

#22 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 11:19 AM | Reply

Guessing...Carter and Clinton both Democrats

#22 | POSTED BY DANNI

Close. Obama and Clinton, both Democrats

#23 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-10 11:57 AM | Reply

White House transcript fails to include line from Trump on clean DACA bill

The official White House transcript of President Trump's comments on immigration failed to include a line from the president regarding a clean bill to address recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

During the meeting on Tuesday, Trump was asked by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) if he would support "a clean DACA bill."

"Yeah, I would like to do it," Trump said during the meeting, according to The Washington Post... . The White House's official transcript did not include the line from Trump saying, "Yeah, I would like to do it."

thehill.com

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-10 12:10 PM | Reply

"Gal, these deflections are expected from Corky or Snoofy, but beneath you."

Only my post #9 could be seen as a deflection by some. Posts #8 and 10 are not deflections.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-01-10 12:13 PM | Reply

Just this week he revoked DACA for 200,000 immigrants from El Salvador. - Posted by Danni at 2018-01-10 08:50 AM | Reply | Flagged newsworthy by Hans, newsworthy by truthhurts

The ignorance displayed in the above quote and newsworthy clicks is...well, pretty normal for those folks.
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: El Salvador
DACA

#26 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:14 PM | Reply

"The ignorance displayed in the above quote and newsworthy clicks is...well, pretty normal for those folks." - #26 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:14 PM

Danni's #15, was a post of 204 words.

You cited just 12 words of the post and attributed my and TruthHurts NW flags to just those words.

When all you have are lies, Avigdore, then lying's all you can do.

Typical dishonesty we've come to expect from you.

"I lost. I'm confused. And bolded out." - #72 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 02:14 PM
Indeed.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:22 PM | Reply

Just this week he revoked DACA for 200,000 immigrants from El Salvador. - Posted by Danni at 2018-01-10 08:50 AM | Reply | Flagged newsworthy by Hans, newsworthy by truthhurts
The ignorance displayed in the above quote and newsworthy clicks is...well, pretty normal for those folks.
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: El Salvador
DACA

#26 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Yes, you can call it "delayed" if you want but its revoked at least for now.

And I'm sure all those people from El Salvador are happy to hear it's only delayed 18 months rather than revoked because the term used makes all the difference, right?

#28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-10 12:30 PM | Reply

@#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:22 PM
You found noteworthy a post that started off with a lie. Speaks volumes about your continued moral stance.

#29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:34 PM | Reply

And I'm sure all those people from El Salvador are happy to hear it's only delayed 18 months rather than revoked because the term used makes all the difference, right? - #28 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-10 12:30 PM

I strongly doubt that they are happy about it. How exactly does that relate to people flagging noteworthy Danni's false post?

#30 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:36 PM | Reply

"You found noteworthy a post that started off with a lie." - #29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:34 PM

A mistake is hardly a lie.

But, no surprise you don't know the difference, liar.

Speaks volumes about your continued moral stance.

"I lost. I'm confused. And bolded out." - #72 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 02:14 PM
Indeed.

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:39 PM | Reply

"How exactly does that relate to people flagging noteworthy Danni's false post?" - #30 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:36 PM

Only a liar would claim that Danni's #15 was a "false post."

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:41 PM | Reply

Danni's post was an illusion.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 12:47 PM | Reply

"Danni's post was an illusion." - #33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 12:47 PM

Not exactly sure what that means.

For me, Danni's #15 was NW for this:

"...talk of ending "chain immigration" is repulsive and unAmerican, it's disgusting. It's breaking up families. It's ending a long tradition in America and one of the basic ways we built the nation."
If she were to post that again I'd NW flag it again.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:50 PM | Reply

Close. Obama and Clinton, both Democrats

#23 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-01-10 11:57 AM

LOL, Clinton yes, Obama not so much.

The only way to show that Obama "decreased" the deficit is to compare his first year (yes, I know that the world economy went in the tank) of $1.4T to his last year in office, when it was $585B (still higher than Bushes $469B after inflation). Otherwise, he has the highest deficits of every President since WWII.

The best way to show deficit reduction is to look at the % of deficit to GDP:

Ronald Reagan

1981-85 4.2 %

1985-89 4.2

Average 4.2

George H. W. Bush

1989-93 4.2

Average 4.2

Bill Clinton

1993-97 0.8

1994-2001 0.1

Average 0.5

George W. Bush

2001-05 2.0

2005-09 3.4

Average 2.7

Barack Obama

2009-12 9.1

2012-16 6.1

Average 7.6

Since WWII, Clinton, Johnson, Ike and Truman each had one or more years of surpluses during their Presidencies.

U.S. Deficit by President, By Dollar and Percent

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:39 PM
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You found noteworthy a post that started off with an untruth. Speaks volumes about your continued moral stance.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 01:05 PM | Reply

"You found noteworthy a post that started off with an untruth." - #36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 01:05 PM

A mistake is not "an untruth."

Your insistence that it was a lie speaks volumes about your continued moral stance, liar.

"I'll give you the benefit of the doubt."

That's mighty white of you, liar.

#37 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 01:10 PM | Reply

Given that I never remember any liberal saying that perhaps you would like to take back your attempt at lying?

#14 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-01-10 08:43 AM

I am not going to do your homework for you Danni, you can Google it just as easily as I can, this was a DNC talking point that was proven false. What I was referencing to was this piece of idiocy from another thread:

MNCs are already supposed to pay taxes on earnings abroad. The thing is, it isn't enforceable.

Keep dreaming if you think they will willingly change course and pay up.

#14 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2018-01-09 03:30 PM

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 01:10 PM | Reply

#18

You obviously didn't read or ignored my #7.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 01:13 PM | Reply

#35 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You can't seriously be so bad at math you don't understand how 1.5T to 500B is a 2/3rds reduction? And you are absolutely insane suggesting Obama is responsible for tanking the economy. RoC showing once again how conservatives demonizing education for forty years and produce such morons.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-10 01:15 PM | Reply

#38 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

RetardOCenter, ever heard of Apple or Ireland?

You take so much pride in displaying how little you understand even the simplest aspects of economics, it is funny.

#41 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-10 01:17 PM | Reply

"The best way to show deficit reduction is to look at the % of deficit to GDP"

Because that way, when the GDP craters under Republicans, the deficit appears smaller.

Gotta love that right-wing math!

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A mistake is not "an untruth." - #37 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 01:10 PM
I never made that claim. But lying about what people claim is rather your forte.
Danni's statement, whether it is a lie or a mistake, it is still an untruth.
un·truth. 1. the state or quality of being untrue
2. a statement, fact, etc, that is not true

You chose to noteworthy an untruth.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 01:44 PM | Reply

"I never made that claim." - #43 | Posted by Avigdoreat 2018-01-10 01:44 PM

"You found noteworthy a post that started off with a lie." - #29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:34 PM
So, you're stupid and a liar.

Speaks volumes about your continued moral stance, liar.

#44 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 01:48 PM | Reply

#40-41

Face it, Mini-me, you got caught talking out of your --- and have no response. Off-shore profits were ignored for 30 years, the Apples of the world now must pay taxes on it.

As for the "deficit reduction", even Obama's lowest deficit was higher than everyone else's low, even accounting for inflation.

Using what you and Syco think is "math", Reagan, GHWBush and W all "lowered" deficits during their presidencies at some point, which shows the point about Obama is meaningless.

I suggest you click on my link to see the numbers instead of making ---- up.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 02:04 PM | Reply

Because that way, when the GDP craters under Republicans, the deficit appears smaller.

Talk about not understanding math...if the GDP goes down, the % deficit to GDP goes up, way up.

I guess this makes "sense" to you though, as a former defense contractor who went to four different colleges for a "physics" degree.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 02:14 PM | Reply

#45 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

"Off-shore profits were ignored for 30 years, the Apples of the world now must pay taxes on it."

And how do you propose the US enforce that while the money is still off-shore? Quit being such a prideful fool.

"Obama's lowest deficit was higher than everyone else's low, even accounting for inflation."

The deficit is a rate, you idiot! He still decreased it while the conservative presidents you blindly pledge loyalty to increased it. You continue to prove how dangerous it is to not understand even simple math. Starting at 1.5T and going to .5T is still more impressive than going from

#47 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-10 02:20 PM | Reply

"Danni's post was an illusion." - #33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 12:47 PM
Not exactly sure what that means.
- Hans

It was intended as a joke based upon some of the other comments regarding her post.

Unfortunately, the joke wasn't funny. It was in FrankF55 territory.

#48 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 02:23 PM | Reply

@#44 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 01:48 PM
Go ahead and quote where I claimed that a mistake is a lie. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that it may have been a mistake or it may have been a lie. Not that a mistake is a lie.
But lying about what people claim is your forte.

#49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 02:26 PM | Reply

The deficit is a rate, you idiot! He still decreased it while the conservative presidents you blindly pledge loyalty to increased it. You continue to prove how dangerous it is to not understand even simple math. Starting at 1.5T and going to .5T is still more impressive than going from

#47 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Start with unprecedentedly high deficit in the first year and of course it's going to be decreased.

Regardless, tying the deficit solely to POTUS is a fool's errand anyway. Last I checked the House controls the purse-strings. The deficit, debt and unfunded liabilities are a bipartisan problem. Republicans are slightly worse because at least Democrats push for some tax increases to try and mitigate the upcoming government collapse a bit. Both parties are criminally negligent when it comes to controlling spending.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 02:27 PM | Reply

Lol that's funny.

Guess I will be needing more coffee after all.

As people have a tendency of glom onto "facts" around here I'll just point out it was only two colleges to get my undergrad.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 02:31 PM | Reply

"Go ahead and quote where I claimed that a mistake is a lie." - #49 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 02:26 PM

"You found noteworthy a post that started off with a lie." - #29 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 12:34 PM
Yep: You're stupid and a liar.

"But lying about what people claim..."

No need to lie about that, liar.

It is all there in black and yellow for everyone to see.

"I lost. I'm confused. And bolded out." - #72 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 02:14 PM
Your turn, liar.

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 02:34 PM | Reply

And how do you propose the US enforce that while the money is still off-shore? Quit being such a prideful fool.

Quit being a ------, I gave you the link once before, MNC'S HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON PREVIOUSLY ACQUIRED FOREIGN PROFITS HELD OVERSEAS UNDER THE NEW TAX BILL THIS YEAR REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY BRING IT BACK TO THE US OR NOT.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 02:53 PM | Reply

He still decreased it while the conservative presidents you blindly pledge loyalty to increased it.

Are you allergic to clicking on links? By your reasoning, at least in one of their years so did Reagan and both Bushes.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 02:55 PM | Reply

"MNC'S HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON PREVIOUSLY ACQUIRED FOREIGN PROFITS HELD OVERSEAS"

I've always wondered how it's legal to past ex-post-facto laws in this country. It doesn't seem right.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 03:10 PM | Reply

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 02:34 PM
That statement is a lie. Unless Danni shows up and says that she made a mistake.
Then I'll admit I made a mistake in calling it a lie, it was instead a mistake.
Either way, I'm not calling a mistake a lie, which is what you claim. A false claim.

My turn? Ok:
A mistake is not "an untruth." - #37 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 01:10 PM
Yes or no, is the first sentence of Danni's #15 a mistake?
Is that statement true?
Does it meet this definition: un·truth. 1. the state or quality of being untrue 2. a statement, fact, etc, that is not true?
So, when you stated that A mistake is not "an untruth" were you wrong, or were you a liar?

My bet is that you'll dodge. You still think untruths are newsworthy, so I really won't be surprised by a lack of honesty or integrity.

#56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 03:22 PM | Reply

Avigdore,

The Danni's post started off with something that was false doesn't invalidate the entirety of her post. It's kind of like lambasting a shooting guard for going 4 of 5 from the field but his one miss was an air-ball.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 03:34 PM | Reply

"Yes or no, is the first sentence of Danni's #15 a mistake?" - #56 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 03:22 PM

"A mistake is hardly a lie." - #31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 12:39 PM
Obviously, you can't read, liar.

I'm really not surprised by your lack of honesty or integrity.

#58 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 03:41 PM | Reply

"The Danni's post started off with something that was false doesn't invalidate the entirety of her post." - #57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 03:34 PM

Thanks, JeffJ.

And that's exactly how I explained my NW flag in my #34, above.

#59 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 03:47 PM | Reply

Nice Dodge Hans. I knew I wouldn't be surprised by you suddenly being honest or having integrity.
I didn't ask if a mistake is a lie.

#60 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 03:48 PM | Reply

I've always wondered how it's legal to past ex-post-facto laws in this country. It doesn't seem right.

Ordinarily I would agree with you, but in this instance the MNC's have utilized a loophole which keeps a taxable event from happening. Danforth would be better suited to explain it, but my understanding is that the new code is written in such a way that eliminates the deferral of the taxable event, making the income instantly taxable.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 04:07 PM | Reply

"I didn't ask if a mistake is a lie." - #60 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 03:48 PM

Because throughout this thread you've claimed that Danni's #15 started with "...a lie" (your words, liar).

Danni's mistake is not a lie.

Your lack of honesty and integrity is no surprise.

"I lost. I'm confused. And bolded out." - #72 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 02:14 PM
Your turn, liar.

#62 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 04:09 PM | Reply

#54 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Why the hell does an arbitrary period in the middle of their term matter? If you have to pick and choose when the deficit matters and when it doesn't, you are obviously ------------.

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-10 04:26 PM | Reply

I've already stated that if Danni says that it was a mistake, then it isn't a lie. It's a mistake.

Hans, why do you insist on dodging the simple questions that I posed for you? I rebutted yours. Do you not have the strength of character? Is it a lack of honesty? What failure of you as a person is it that would prevent you from doing so? Are you such a coward that you can't handle that you've made a mistake? I've no doubt that you will continue to dodge the subject, so if you don't answer I'll let the thread go. I won't continue to lower myself to your level.

#64 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 04:29 PM | Reply

"I rebutted yours." - #64 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 04:29 PM

Where, liar?

"I won't continue to lower myself to your level."

You can't reach that high, Avigdore.

#65 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-10 04:38 PM | Reply

The Village People--"In the Navy" featuring Avigdore Spartacus

#66 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-10 04:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#53 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

HOW IS THAT ENFORCED?

I can play the caps game too, moron. You still have yet to enlighten me as to how the US can enforce domestic rules abroad. I bet you think MNCs operating in the US always abide by US rules abroad, huh? More delusions from out friends on the right. No wonder they fear globalism; they can't ****ing understand any of it.

#67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-10 04:56 PM | Reply

Why the hell does an arbitrary period in the middle of their term matter?

None of it matters, which is the point. The only thing that matters is the amount of $$ you are borrowing in relation to your income and the rate of return that you get on that loan.

The numbers aren't in yet on Obama's whole term, but the IRR on his first four years (getting the economy out of the mess he inherited) are not bad, we will see how the rest of it shakes out.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 05:06 PM | Reply

You still have yet to enlighten me as to how the US can enforce domestic rules abroad.

Sigh, you just can't help but get pummeled whenever you hit the Enter key, can you:

New American tax rules mean firms can no longer avoid paying tax on past international profits by keeping the money outside the United States. They must pay tax whether they bring this cash back to the U.S. or not.

Goldman Sachs (GS) was the first big multinational to announce a hit to profits in 2017 from the new tax. It said on Friday that the "repatriation tax" was responsible for most of a one-off charge of $5 billion.

"They should all come out with similar statements," said Ryan Dudley, head of international tax services at Friedman LLP.

The new rules require U.S. companies to pay a tax of between 8% and 15.5% on overseas earnings made since 1987 even if they remain offshore. After making this one-off payment, they'll be able to bring the money back home without paying additional tax.

"For many U.S. multinationals, by far the biggest impact is that one-time charge," said Craig Hillier, head of the international tax practice at EY.

U.S. companies are expected to announce the tax hit now and pay the money in installments over several years. Congress expects this one-time charge will bring in an estimated $339 billion over the next 10 years.

These are publicly traded companies with audited financials that they have to provide to the SEC, which shares them with the IRS. The IRS knows how much money is out there, and you can bet that they will enforce this section of the code. These companies have no choice at this point, and are not going to mess with the IRS.

U.S. companies will pay billions in tax on offshore cash piles

Click the link and learn something so I don't have to repost this a third time.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-10 05:28 PM | Reply

Wait, what? This isn't what we were told was going to happen...
-The DR Left
#1 | Posted by Rightocenter

hey look trump reneged on this, like in 24 hours, like i predicted

#70 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-01-10 07:32 PM | Reply

2018, the year both parties think everything happens in a vacuum and nothing has secondary components to it.

Trump can claim to be willing to sign a clean DACA bill while also not intending to sign such a bill until other things are in place first. He can also claim to consider a number of things while also not putting them in the order that some partisans on either side might desire them to be in.

Lets not pretend he doesn't know how to make deals or compromises to benefit himself, because if the Left is correct on the Russia thing he is pretty good at setting up some long term and widely impacting deals.

#71 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2018-01-11 06:05 AM | Reply

This guy Trump, he's a really smart guy.

#72 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-11 12:08 PM | Reply

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