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Tuesday, January 09, 2018

ndia's first ballistic missile submarine was out of commission for ten months after someone neglected to properly close a hatch. The nuclear-powered submarine INS Arihant was flooded with saltwater, necessitating nearly a year's worth of repairs. The submarine is designed to function as a floating arsenal of nuclear weapons, guaranteeing a retaliatory strike in case of surprise attack. According to an Indian Navy source, a hatch was left open on the rear left side of the ship, allowing seawater to rush into the propulsion area while the Arihant was in harbor. Arihant was out of action for ten months as water was pumped out and pipes were cut out and replaced. Indian authorities likely felt that pipes exposed to corrosive seawater couldn't be trusted again, particularly pipes that carry pressurized water coolant to and from the ship's 83 megawatt nuclear reactor. Failing pipes could not only endanger the ship's crew but the entire submarine ... and her nuclear weapons.

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I figured I would put this up to save JTosseRigElMainTexan the effort and highlight just exactly who the Mighty Pakistani Navy is competing against.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I figured I would put this up to save JTosseRigElMainTexan"

wow. somebody sure is all up in that cotton head of yours

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-09 03:38 PM | Reply

Maybe they should install "HATCH OPEN" indicator alarms and flashing lights when you put it in "D".

#3 | Posted by Daniel at 2018-01-09 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Open Hatch Crippled India's $2.9 Billion Submarine
Is this one of those screen-door-in-a-submarine jokes?

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-09 03:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

#2

Hey, my parrot is here!

Coco want a cracker?

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 03:56 PM | Reply

They left a hatch open?

Did they get their submarine training from poland?

#6 | Posted by Tor at 2018-01-09 04:03 PM | Reply

They left a hatch open?

Did they get their submarine training from poland?

Posted by Tor at 2018-01-09 04:03 PM | Reply

Probably some guy that couldn't keep his zipper zipped. XYZ PDQ

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-09 04:23 PM | Reply

Welp, someone definitely gundecked that pre-underway checklist

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-01-09 06:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#6 | Posted by Tor

No Trump University no doubt.

#9 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-01-09 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

" Indian authorities likely felt that pipes exposed to corrosive seawater couldn't be trusted again,"

So Indians are smarter than the Republicans running Flint.
I guess that's not really a surprise, though.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-09 06:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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The US Navy has also sunken a sub at the pier.
We've also had a seawater injection into an operating reactor space...but I can't find a link for that one. Hmm.

#11 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-09 06:51 PM | Reply

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

#12 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-09 07:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Brits sunk the HMS Artemis in dock leaving the hatch open. Bubbleheads.

#13 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-09 07:58 PM | Reply

RIGHT

"I figured I would put this up to save JTosseRigElMainTexan the effort and highlight just exactly who the Mighty Pakistani Navy is competing against."

I know it's not polite to rub salt in a wound but, just so you know ...

Tremain is in exile.

Gee, I wonder what happened. ~ LOL

#14 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-10 02:51 AM | Reply

"just exactly who the Mighty Pakistani Navy is competing against."

India has had pretty bad luck with their submarines. They keep buying obsolete Russian designs and hand me downs and when those go up in smoke it's ------ time.

4 years back one of their submarines exploded while docked.

www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

India investigated sabotage by Pakistani secret service but they got nowhere. The most likely explanations are poor maintenance and poor design.

And then there was this.

www.youtube.com

India's brand new french submarines have all been compromised and made useless. Someone, somehow, leaked all their secret information that makes their detection easy. A submarine that can be detected is useless. Again, the Pakistani secret service or the Chinese are the prime suspects but with no evidence pointing fingers is foolish.

And then this.

The INS Chakra, the Nerpa class nuclear submarine leased from Russia, was reported to have suffered damage to its sonar domes while entering the Visakhapatnam harbour in early October.

And this is only submarines. I haven't even mentioned their aircraft carrier that has turned into a white elephant. It is doubtful China or Pakistan or anyone worries about the Indian Navy.

#15 | Posted by tonytripoli at 2018-01-10 07:07 AM | Reply

So Indians are smarter than the Republicans running Flint.

I didn't know Republicans were running Flint..

That's a Democrat hellhole.

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-10 07:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

So India builds a multi-billion dollar submarine loaded with nuclear weapons that is unsuitable for saltwater contamination, putting the whole world at risk. No problem, they're just following our lead. We must support them, since we finally recognize China is now the greatest self imposed threat to our national security.

316 Stainless Steel, a construction material, is subject to degradation from radiation hundreds of times faster than saltwater. Its the only material used for the power cycle in all US nuclear power designs. How dumb is that? Titanium is essentially immune from both. What did the Indians use in their power cycle components? You'd think the control system, the entire wiring system, circuit boards, PLCs and computers would be no longer safe to ever use again.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-10 07:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Tremain is in exile."

He should be exiled from the United States if he actually does live among us. He obviously has not love for America or Americans.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

BTW, India really should be embarrassed. I mean, the submarine was flooded because....wait for it....someone left the door open? Hilarious!

#19 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 08:37 AM | Reply

"Gee, I wonder what happened. ~ LOL"

He harassed the wrong people, of course.

There are people on this site who are demonstrably worse than him.

People only see abuse when it's being hurled at them.

#20 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-10 08:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"316 Stainless Steel, a construction material, is subject to degradation from radiation hundreds of times faster than saltwater. Its the only material used for the power cycle in all US nuclear power designs. How dumb is that? "

"USS Bremerton (SSN-698), a Los Angeles-class submarine, is the second ship of the United States Navy to be named for Bremerton, Washington. The contract to build her was awarded to the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics Corporation in Groton, Connecticut on 24 January 1972 and her keel was laid down on 8 May 1976. She was launched on 22 July 1978 sponsored by Mrs. Helen Jackson (née Hardin), wife of Henry M. Jackson, and commissioned on 28 March 1981 with Captain Thomas H. Anderson in command.

On 11 March 1999, Bremerton used one torpedo to sink the derelict forebody of the merchant ship New Carissa off the Oregon coast.USS David R. Ray also participated in the sinking.[1]

After a successful Western Pacific deployment, in September 2003 Bremerton changed its homeport to Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Bremerton spent two months in drydock at Pearl Harbor ending 21 January 2010.[2]

When USS Los Angeles was decommissioned on 23 January 2010, Bremerton became the oldest commissioned submarine in the US fleet. On that day, Richard O'Kane's cribbage board was transferred from Los Angeles to Bremerton, a tradition that dates back to World War II.[3]

In January 2011, Bremerton was adopted by its namesake city, along with a partnership of community members and organizations led by the Bremerton-Olympic Peninsula Council of the US Navy League.[4] In February 2015, Bremerton visited the City of Bremerton[5] USS Bremerton is deployed with COMSUBPAC.[6]

On 15 June 2016 the 35-year-old submarine completed her 15th deployment.[7] Although originally scheduled for decommissioning in 2017, USS Bremerton's life has been extended for an unspecified period.[8] She is to remain in service until at least 2019[9]"

I think our submarine fleet is fine, your concerns have been adequately dealt with and I doubt you actually know what you are talking about.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 09:10 AM | Reply

EBERLY

"He harassed the wrong people, of course. "

You're absolutely right about that.

#22 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-10 09:35 AM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY TONYTRIPOLI

Hi Tosser/Rigel/Trieman

#23 | Posted by patron at 2018-01-10 09:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PATRON

So let's see. We had ------/Rigel/Aftermath/Tremain/Tonytripoli(?)

I think we should ask RCADE for a "------ ALERT" flag. ~ LOL

#24 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-10 11:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Moderation rules: "Creating a second account to circumvent these rules will result in a permanent loss of account privileges."

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-10 11:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goodbye ------!

Your "Tokyo Rose" type of propaganda won't be missed.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-10 01:30 PM | Reply

Danni,

The US chose to use 316SS and some higher grades and replaces aging parts as needed, which has proven to be more frequent and costly than originally expected. The French chose Titanium which has proven to be cheaper in the long run.

No one in the world has a better safety record implementing nuclear power than the US Navy. Rickover's stringent standards are largely credited with being responsible for the U.S. Navy's continuing record of zero reactor accidents. He made it a point to be aboard during the initial sea trial of almost every nuclear submarine completing its new-construction period.

Admiral Hyman G. Rickover (January 27, 1900 – July 8, 1986), U.S. Navy, directed the original development of naval nuclear propulsion and controlled its operations for three decades as director of Naval Reactors. In addition, he oversaw the development of the Shippingport Atomic Power Station, the world's first commercial pressurized water reactor used for generating electricity.

His total of 63 years of active duty service made Rickover the longest-serving naval officer and the longest serving member of the U.S armed forces in history. Rickover is only one of four people who have ever been awarded two Congressional Gold Medals. His substantial legacy of technical achievements includes the United States Navy's continuing record of zero reactor accidents, defined as "the uncontrolled release of fission products to the environment subsequent to reactor core damage".

None of which changes the fact no one has ever had a plan for how to dispose of nuclear waste safely.

Given Rickover's single-minded focus on naval nuclear propulsion, design, and operations, it came as a surprise to many in 1982, near the end of his career, when he testified before the U.S. Congress that, were it up to him what to do with nuclear powered ships, he "would sink them all." At a congressional hearing Rickover testified:

"I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation. Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. I am not proud of the part I played in it. I did it because it was necessary for the safety of this country. That's why I am such a great exponent of stopping this whole nonsense of war.

#27 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-10 04:29 PM | Reply

That's why I am such a great exponent of stopping this whole nonsense of war.

No one who has ever been shot at is a proponent of war, which is why the politicians (and not their children, as so many libs glibly say) should be at the front lines on any conflict.

That being said, there will never be a time where warriors are not needed to keep everyone else safe.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-11 12:18 AM | Reply

"there will never be a time where warriors are not needed to keep everyone else safe."

Can't we make do with good cops?

#29 | Posted by tonytripoli at 2018-01-11 01:23 AM | Reply

#29

Bye "Tony", a ban is hopefully forthcoming soon.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-11 01:49 AM | Reply

I don't understand the hostility. What the hell did I do? This is only my second post. If you don't want me to post any more just say it.

#31 | Posted by tonytripoli at 2018-01-11 02:42 AM | Reply

TONYTRIPOLI

If what you say is true, your timing is terrible.

#32 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-11 05:48 AM | Reply

It gets a little rough and tumble around here but most of us have been here many years and we know each other well. It's really a friendly community in spite of the back and forth political arguments.

The point is we recently had to give a poster, with an un-American attitude and a vile temper, a thrashing which led to his exile. We didn't put it past him to try to come back under another name. Your choice of subject matter made us suspicious.

That's all it amounts to. Really. If we're wrong, you're more than welcome to join in. If we're right, you're in trouble.

#33 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-11 06:47 AM | Reply

#33 Is this Tonytripoli a play on Tonyromo and his constant ruminations on Benghazi reports (or was it Tonyaroma - seriously can't remember)?

#34 | Posted by HeuristicGratis at 2018-01-11 07:01 AM | Reply

HEURISTIC

I appreciate your humor but I really don't know.

I do know that we should hold our venom toward Tremain until we're sure. We shouldn't be chasing a perfectly good poster off the site because of our own paranoia. I'm as guilty as the next person and I will apologize for that if/when the time comes. The fact that Rcade hasn't booted him yet is encouraging. Normally our blog-master is on top of these things. He probably doesn't appreciate our interference.

Let's just trust Rcade and wait and see.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-11 08:41 AM | Reply

Tremain will be back in 3 weeks anyway... doubt he'd bother with a new ID just for 3 weeks.

#36 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-11 08:45 AM | Reply

"That's why I am such a great exponent of stopping this whole nonsense of war."

Lovely thought, put it on a greeting card but please don't pretend it is a real possibility. As much as I hate war I want my country and its allies to be prepared at all times. As much as I whine about our bloated defense budget I do still want to have far superior forces to every other nation on Earth and I'm willing to help pay for it.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-11 09:02 AM | Reply

"Tremain will be back in 3 weeks anyway... doubt he'd bother with a new ID just for 3 weeks."

He'll be back in under 3 weeks under a new name. He can't give up his stipend for that long, he needs it to pay for food, etc.

#38 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-11 09:03 AM | Reply

#28, RoC,

OK, lets assume it is impossible for people like JFK and Khrushchev to make a long lasting peace, which they set out to do. Lets also assume there will always be room for dictators, tyrants and so-called terrorists to incite violence, war and torture.

That is no reason for us to do the same. Nor is it a reason for us to use our military contractors to sell to these dictators, tyrants and so-called terrorists, much less give our stuff away to them. Nor is it a reason for us to respond to any or every threat with a thousand fold overkill in spending on weapons of mass destruction.

Even worse, if you analyze the results of our endless interventions, we have succeeded in depriving those populations of a modern economy we enjoy, without ever breaking their will to live independently of our way of life. Our military industrial complex manufactures an endless supply of terrorists. It needs an enemy to justify its crazed spending spree. Afghanistan is the longest war in US history with no end in sight. Does anyone doubt what will happen if we leave? Yet we are getting nowhere fast in our continued occupation. We are wasting trillions of dollars going in circles.

On top of that the threat our nuclear weapons pose to our alleged enemies force them to submit or join the other nuclear nations. They will not submit, so the threat of a nuclear holocaust continues to rise simply because we are determined to make people adopt our terms and conditions for trade or die and they consistently refuse.

We have every right to defend our own country. But that is not how trillions are being wasted. It is not our job to police the world. Reward works better than punishment. Furthermore, to the extent we depend on the military to impose our way of life on others we are creating an enormous insolvable environmental problem, which has the potential of costing more to solve than even the military costs, which is already way beyond our defense requirements.

Man's history is the history of man's enslavement of man, through war. More recently finance has become another vehicle for enslavement. But, our spending and interference in the lives of people whose names we cannot pronounce is unprecedented in its scale in the history of mankind. More than any other country on the planet earth, we are the reason everyone else feels the need to arm themselves to the teeth. It didn't used to be that way. It used to be Russia filled that role.

#39 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-11 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Before I put my glasses on the headline looked like "Orrin Hatch wrecked the submarine."

#40 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-11 11:44 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

HATTERS

LOL ~ I tried it and you're right. Funny, funny.

#41 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-01-11 04:59 PM | Reply

Open hatch wrecks Indian sub, and Orrin Hatch wrecks Utah state.

#42 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2018-01-11 06:17 PM | Reply

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