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Tuesday, January 09, 2018

Nearly 200,000 people from El Salvador who have been allowed to live in the United States for more than a decade must leave the country, government officials announced Monday. It is the Trump administration's latest reversal of years of immigration policies and one of the most consequential to date. Homeland security officials said that they were ending a humanitarian program, known as Temporary Protected Status, for Salvadorans who have been allowed to live and work legally in the United States since a pair of devastating earthquakes struck their country in 2001.

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The United States Chamber of Commerce and immigrant advocacy organizations also had urged the administration to extend the protection, noting the Salvadorans' deep connections to America.

According to an analysis by one group, the Center for Migration Studies, Salvadoran beneficiaries have 192,700 American-born children; 88 percent participate in the labor force, compared with 63 percent for the overall United States population; and nearly one-quarter have a mortgage.

Donald M. Kerwin Jr., the center's executive director, called rescinding protection for Salvadorans a "baffling ideological decision that is extraordinarily destructive on all ends. They are deeply vested and embedded in the U.S."

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Representatives Jim McGovern (D-MA) and Randy Hultgren (R-IL), co-chairs of the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission, along with Representatives Norma Torres (D-CA) and Ruben Gallego (D-AZ), led a bipartisan group of 116 lawmakers calling on the Trump Administration to extend temporary protections for Salvadorans and Hondurans living in the United States.

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#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-08 04:49 PM | Reply

--earthquakes struck their country in 2001.

Time to go home.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-08 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

There's plenty of reasons to allow people to remain in the country. 16 years is not temporary protection.

#3 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 06:33 PM | Reply

#2 |

Time to get offa his lawn, brown kids.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-08 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

How about we get rid of the 62MM traitors first?

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-01-08 08:02 PM | Reply

"baffling ideological decision that is extraordinarily destructive on all ends."

Yea, Obama never did that...

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-08 08:46 PM | Reply

Time to get offa his lawn, brown kids.

#4 | Posted by Corky

No, it's time for them to go back and fix their own country..

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-08 08:47 PM | Reply

50k mortgage holders being kicked out? That seems like it might hurt some housing markets. Trump better check with his donors before he goes through with this.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-08 08:53 PM | Reply

yep; How to win friends and influence people.

#9 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-01-09 01:26 AM | Reply

No, it's time for them to go back and fix their own country..

#7 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-01-08 08:47 PM | REPLY

You know precious little about fixing countries and plenty about breaking them. Honestly, Americans run roughshod over half the planet and then have the gall to tell the refugees they help create to fix their own countries.

#10 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-01-09 02:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

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#10

I didn't realize that we had perfected an earthquake bomb in 2001.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#10
I didn't realize that we had perfected an earthquake bomb in 2001.

#11 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-01-09 05:01 PM | FLAG:

You don't realize a lot of things... like the historical and economic context that makes some countries better able to absorb and recover from disasters than others. Convenient how you ignore the history of relations between the US and El Salvador.... like a typical ignorant rightist.

#12 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-01-09 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Chill out Boyd, I know far more about this than you do.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-01-09 05:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Chill out Boyd, I know far more about this than you do.

#13 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2018-01-09 05:25 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, your jokes about earthquake bombs just fill me with confidence about your knowledge. /snark

Get off your high hobby horse before you hurt yourself, troglodyte.

#14 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-01-09 05:37 PM | Reply

- Get off your high hobby horse

It's his only apparent mode of conveyance around here.

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-09 05:50 PM | Reply

"No, it's time for them to go back and fix their own country."

Wouldn't it be better for us if they stay here and fix our country though?

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-09 05:51 PM | Reply

mb all "north americans" should leave south america?
- the right

#17 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-09 11:33 PM | Reply

Has the CBO run the numbers on this yet?
They should.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 01:22 AM | Reply

I think it is time to send the Irish back. That potato thing was fixed long time ago.

#19 | Posted by bigblackie at 2018-01-10 03:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What's the point of having a temporary program if it's not going to be temporary? It's false advertising, bait and switch. They should go home. Otherwise, change the program.

#20 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-01-10 03:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"I think it is time to send the Irish back. That potato thing was fixed long time ago."

I was honestly thinking the exact same thing and hey, I'm of Irish descent.

"What's the point of having a temporary program if it's not going to be temporary? It's false advertising, bait and switch. They should go home. Otherwise, change the program."

Irrelevant. These people have come here, worked, raised families, bought homes and started businesses. They should have just as much right to be here as you or me. It's called humanity, you ought to get in touch with your own. Their skin isn't bright white but their blood is the same as yours or mine. It takes an inherently evil person to send 200,000 people back to one of the poorest, most gang infested nations on Earth. It is absolutely a fact that returning those people to El Salvador will result in the murder of many of those people, that isn't even a question but a fact.

#21 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-10 07:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's called humanity, you ought to get in touch with your own.

That's a fairly insightful statement which I don't deny. However, rest assured that my sentiment has nothing to do with the color of their skin. There, you are WILDLY offbase.

They should have just as much right to be here as you or me.

Really? What gives them that right? The fact that they are humans that would face hard times and potentially murder if sent back to their country? They aren't unique. There are humans all over this world that deal with hardship and the potential for being murdered every day. In fact, we can look inside our own country and see that people are facing hardship and the potential for being murdered.

When we get our own house in order, we can talk about fixing some body else's.

#22 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-01-10 08:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#22 | POSTED BY FEDUPWITHPOLS

Excellent post. NW.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-10 08:21 AM | Reply

Really? What gives them that right? The fact that they are humans that would face hard times and potentially murder if sent back to their country? They aren't unique. There are humans all over this world that deal with hardship and the potential for being murdered every day. In fact, we can look inside our own country and see that people are facing hardship and the potential for being murdered.

When we get our own house in order, we can talk about fixing some body else's.

Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2018-01-10 08:07 AM | Reply

Because we're Americans. We aren't supposed to send them back to face death.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-10 09:27 AM | Reply

"You don't realize a lot of things... like the historical and economic context that makes some countries better able to absorb and recover from disasters than others. Convenient how you ignore the history of relations between the US and El Salvador.... like a typical ignorant rightist. "

Please, oh educated one, give us the complete list of each country and how long it will take them to recover from a devastating earthquake. If you had just given the world this knowledge 16 years ago, we would have already known what the term limit would be for the protected status. Point is...there has to be a deadline. 16 years seems like a pretty damn good one for any issue. Does it mean their country will be perfect upon return? No. Does it mean that by 16 years they should have a home to go back to and become a social warrior to help rebuild the nation. You're damn right.

#25 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-10 12:08 PM | Reply

These people have come here, worked, raised families, bought homes and started businesses.

Trump is just creating opportunities for vulture capitalists to come in buy up the homes and businesses at fire sale prices. #winning!

#26 | Posted by 726 at 2018-01-10 12:30 PM | Reply

--earthquakes struck their country in 2001.

Time to go home.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

You would think that would be enough time for a country to recover from an earth quake.

#27 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-10 12:30 PM | Reply

50k mortgage holders being kicked out? That seems like it might hurt some housing markets. Trump better check with his donors before he goes through with this.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior

You just make that up? How many do you think bought homes? 10?

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-10 12:32 PM | Reply

You don't realize a lot of things... like the historical and economic context that makes some countries better able to absorb and recover from disasters than others. Convenient how you ignore the history of relations between the US and El Salvador.... like a typical ignorant rightist.

#12 | Posted by DirkStruan

So genus, what would be a proper amount of time to rebuild 1 story houses in the tropics?

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-10 12:34 PM | Reply

mb all "north americans" should leave south america?
- the right

#17 | Posted by ichiro

???????????????????????

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-10 12:35 PM | Reply

So NPR has been pimping the Velazco family.

Maybe someone who supports this action can tell me how America benefits when these two Salvadorean parents of three American children get deported, taking their two youngest children to El Salvador, and leaving the third behind to attend college.

Anyone wanna explain the upside here?
Nulli and JeffJ, show me the money!

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 12:57 PM | Reply

Does it mean that by 16 years they should have a home to go back to and become a social warrior to help rebuild the nation. You're damn right.

#25 | Posted by humtake

Why does it mean that?

Who are you to decide? Why do you care? Does it "pick your pockets or break your bones"?

How does them staying here affect you personally?

50k mortgage holders being kicked out? That seems like it might hurt some housing markets. Trump better check with his donors before he goes through with this.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior

You just make that up? How many do you think bought homes? 10?

#28 | Posted by Sniper

I am gonna bet he read the article and used this thing we call "simple math" and made a "word problem" then solved the equation.

200,000 (refugees from El Salvador as stated in the article) divided by the fact that 1/4 have mortgages (as stated in the article) = 50K!

See? Simple Math. Now wasn't that easy?

Now you try it!

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-10 01:08 PM | Reply

@#28 Sniper &
@ #32 Donnerboy
I'm not sure where the NYT came up with their nearly 1/4 have mortgages statement, but the actual study that they used to generate the article (which you can download
here) has this quote:
"About 61,100 (30 percent) of the 205,900 households with TPS recipients have mortgages, including roughly one-third of the Salvadoran households..."
The exact number in the data section says 45,500 El Salvador households have a mortgage.
To be fair, it doesn't claim that the Salvadorans are the holders of those mortgages, but only that they live in households with them.

#33 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-10 01:27 PM | Reply

Refugee status does not mean life long residence. Situations change. Now we need to look at those on refugee status from Nigeria and other states.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2018-01-10 03:25 PM | Reply

"Convenient how you ignore the history of relations between the US and El Salvador.... like a typical ignorant rightist."

You mean like how the US now has Security Cooperation Teams training and conducting FMA missions in support of the SLV government? You mean those relations?

#35 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 04:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So NPR has been pimping the Velazco family."

I agree. In many cases, if you look at immigrants, particularly those from poor areas, they work in low paying jobs. But their kids don't. Their kids tend to be more successful. Contrast that with the poor in the US, who remain that way from generation to generation.

So I'd ask why we can't keep these immigrants and trade them out with some of the more um, non-contributory members of our society. Not that I'd want to deprive SLV of the benefits that will likely come from having these people return home, or to further burden that country by shipping them a bunch of lumpenproletariat to take care of...but I think this will definitely represent a loss to the US.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 04:29 PM | Reply

"So I'd ask why we can't keep these immigrants and trade them out with some of the more um, non-contributory members of our society."

Probably because trading in people is illegal, but if you are prepared to trade your non-contributory daughters, just name your price, I'm sure a buyer can be found.

You know, like in those Taken movies. Non-contibuting rich girl turns out be a valuable commodity in the right market.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 05:00 PM | Reply

"Convenient how you ignore the history of relations between the US and El Salvador..."

"You mean like how the US now has..."

No, he means the history, not the now. That's why he said history.

Did you hear that bit on the BBC about the Salvadorean general who captured the rebel radio transmitter? Oh and slaughtered thousands of civilians too? School of the Americas graduate, doing us proud.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 05:05 PM | Reply

"Probably because trading in people is illegal, but if you are prepared to trade your non-contributory daughters, just name your price, I'm sure a buyer can be found."

I was thinking more along the lines of you.

"No, he means the history, not the now. That's why he said history."

The US has had SCT's in El Sal for a long time, A buddy of mine used to be the Civil Affairs guy down there. He used to laugh a little at the requests from the government (lead by the FMNL) to declare the gangs as terrorist organizations. You probably don't get the humor, but 40 years ago it was a previous government requesting that the US regard the FMNL as terrorists in order to secure foreign military assistance.

"Oh and slaughtered thousands of civilians too? School of the Americas graduate, doing us proud."

Do you think WHINSEC produced more effective killers than those coming out of Cuba or one of the other Socialist training grounds? I'm not sure.

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 06:12 PM | Reply

Most of El Salvador's problems stem exclusively from the war on drugs. That includes the violence resulting from Transnational Organized Crime Syndicates pushing drugs up into North America, as well as the even greater threat from the MS 13 and Barrio 18 gangs that are not indigenous to the country or region, but rather are US exports. The government would like nothing better than to have the US label these as terrorist groups because it would give them a freer hand in dealing with the threat. As it stands, they would likely lose most or all of their FMA/FMS support if they went after the gangs in a manner that was deemed to somehow be violating their civil rights.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 06:16 PM | Reply

"Do you think WHINSEC produced more effective killers than those coming out of Cuba or one of the other Socialist training grounds?"

Wasn't that the mission all along?
So yeah, I'd say they succeeded.
Our military tends to accomplish what they set out to do.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 06:20 PM | Reply

"I was thinking more along the lines of you."

I'm probably a lot more contributory that your daughters, yet oddly, probably worth a lot less.

They have blue eyes and blonde hair, right? You're sitting on a gold mine, why not take advantage?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 06:24 PM | Reply

So. Rump can now kick people out of America?

And republicans are thrilled...

Republicans would become Nazis so easily, it's ridiculous.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-10 07:31 PM | Reply

"Our military tends to accomplish what they set out to do."

Except in...

#44 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 08:19 PM | Reply

"I'm probably a lot more contributory that your daughters, yet oddly, probably worth a lot less."

Probably a lot less. Especially when you landed and started lecturing El Sal on how they owed you a bunch of free stuff so that you could be a more effective poster on the Drudge Retort.

Maybe you could lecture them on how bad the people in the US have it because of inequality. Explain to them how unfair it is that they have to pay so much for their 2500 square foot houses and SUV's. Maybe you could convince them how lucky they are, being free of the burden of inequality.

#45 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 08:21 PM | Reply

"Especially when you landed and started lecturing El Sal on how they owed you a bunch of free stuff so that you could be a more effective poster on the Drudge Retort."

No, that's not it.
Your daughters could do that and it wouldn't reduce their value one bit.
Well, possibly a small temporary loss
if their pimp daddy got tired of hearing it and smacked them around to shut them up, reducing their attractiveness.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 08:25 PM | Reply

"Your daughters could do that and it wouldn't reduce their value one bit."

No. They're my daughters. They think I owe them something...not the rest of the world. That's the difference between you and them.

But I get your point. My children's cuteness has value, even if nothing else does. And you don't even have that.

Must suck.

#47 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 08:34 PM | Reply

"They think I owe them something"

Do you?
What, and why?

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 08:39 PM | Reply

Are you Roy Moore in real life?

#49 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-10 08:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I wish... wait... wrong answer... Crank call, crank call!

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 09:13 PM | Reply

Q: Why were they allowed to stay so long?

#51 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-01-10 10:47 PM | Reply

A: Because they are valuable, contributing members of American society.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-01-10 10:48 PM | Reply

Q: Why were they allowed to stay so long?

#51 | POSTED BY MSGT

A: Compassion

compassion
[kuh m-pash-uh n]

noun
a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering.

verb (used with object)

Archaic.to compassionate.

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-10 10:51 PM | Reply

Why were they allowed to stay so long?

Why were you?

No one is native to North America.

It's a continent of immigrants.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-10 11:28 PM | Reply

#53

Compassion is a -------- answer...unless you happen to take in every stray animal you cross paths with. Snoofy's right. These people were an asset to our society. Compassion's not really part of the equation.

#55 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-11 09:07 AM | Reply

"unless you happen to take in every stray animal you cross paths with. Snoofy's right."

Are you really equating human beings fleeing a disaster with "stray animals"? Here's your sign. (Stupid!)

I would say we are both right. And there are probably even more good reasons why we help our fellow Man. Stability of neighboring nations would be another good reason.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-11 11:20 AM | Reply

These people were an asset to our society.

#55 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

And that's what whiny Conservatives don't understand.

The United States is not producing enough people to keep itself growing. We NEED immigrants.

#57 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-01-11 11:26 AM | Reply

Did you hear that bit on the BBC about the Salvadorean general who captured the rebel radio transmitter? Oh and slaughtered thousands of civilians too? School of the Americas graduate, doing us proud.

#38 | Posted by snoofy

And why is that our problem related to an earthquake?

#58 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:02 PM | Reply

"Our military tends to accomplish what they set out to do."

Except in...

#44 | Posted by madbomber

Except when the WH takes over every little decision they have to make. Why did they have to call a damn lawyer before they could return fire when being shot at? Why do they have to wait several weeks before they can take out a target? little o had everything screwed up.

#59 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:06 PM | Reply

A: Because they are valuable, contributing members of American society.

#52 | Posted by snoofy

You gotta be kidding me. Very lkow skilled labor that can't even speak English contribute what?

#60 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:09 PM | Reply

Are you really equating human beings fleeing a disaster with "stray animals"? Here's your sign. (Stupid!)

I would say we are both right. And there are probably even more good reasons why we help our fellow Man. Stability of neighboring nations would be another good reason.

#56 | Posted by donnerboy

If you are so compassionate, WTF is the difference? I suppose you just stomp on all stray dogs and cats.

#61 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:11 PM | Reply

The United States is not producing enough people to keep itself growing. We NEED immigrants.

#57 | Posted by Sycophant

We don't need "no skilled" migrants.

#62 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-01-11 12:12 PM | Reply

"These people were an asset to our society. Compassion's not really part of the equation."

Probably not in your mind but most of the rest of us still feel compassion. I feel sorry for you.

#63 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-11 12:16 PM | Reply

If you are so compassionate, WTF is the difference? I suppose you just stomp on all stray dogs and cats.

#61 | Posted by Sniper

Typical response from a republican with a no humanity.

You don't know the difference between a stray dog and a homeless human?

No, I don't treat animals the way you would. And so naturally I would not treat other humans the way you would either.

But, I don't take them home with me either.

If I can I will "rescue" them and take them back to their home if they are tagged and if not and take them to the shelter.

These are such easy answers for someone with compassion.

#64 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-11 01:29 PM | Reply

We don't need "no skilled" migrants.

#62 | Posted by Sniper

What's this "we" stuff white boy? You speaking for The Donald and his wealthy cronies? I think not. I think you are speaking out yer butt as usual.

Without unskilled immigrants how will companies like Donald Trump's game the U.S. H-2B visa system so that he can hire temporary foreign workers at low low wages and then exploit the hell out of them?

Since 2010, nearly 300 U.S. residents applied or were referred for jobs at Mar-A-Lago, but only 17 were hired, the New York Times reported in February. Meanwhile, Mar-A-Lago sought more than 500 visas for foreign workers. (The visas were also sought at some of his other properties.) We don't know how many people actually used the visas and became employees.

To obtain the visas, businesses must prove they were unsuccessful at filling positions with Americans or legal residents.

www.politifact.com

#65 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-11 01:42 PM | Reply

Very lkow skilled labor that can't even speak English contribute what?
#60 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-01-11 12:09 PM | REPLY

Besides the glaring fact that you don't seem to have fully mastered English yourself.

Your comment is based on absolutely nothing but sheer ignorance.

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-11 06:55 PM | Reply

Time for them to go home and fix their own country. if they want to come back, they are more than welcome to get in line.

#67 | Posted by bogey1355 at 2018-01-11 07:11 PM | Reply

"I would say we are both right. And there are probably even more good reasons why we help our fellow Man."

Then you better look for a way to house, feed, and otherwise care for at least a billion more people. Many of whom need more help than these folks.

"little o had everything screwed up."

It goes back further than that. When the first ODA teams arrived in AFG after 9/11, they couldn't call in airstrikes on targets unless they could verify that the structures were free of civilians. And that was under Bush. Politicians ultimately determine the environment the troops fight in. Obama had the misfortune of having to please constituents who had never been to war, and were fully willing to lose if it meant being true to and ideology or vision.

"You gotta be kidding me. Very lkow skilled labor that can't even speak English contribute what?"

They're working. Buying houses. Sending kids off to college. Exactly the things that all poor people in the US should be doing...not just begging for another handout

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-11 07:29 PM | Reply

"Probably not in your mind but most of the rest of us still feel compassion. I feel sorry for you."

How many Sudanese should we put you down for?

#69 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-11 07:30 PM | Reply

How many Sudanese should we put you down for?

#69 | Posted by madbomber

48,763

#70 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-11 07:58 PM | Reply

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