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It's Washington versus California on marijuana, climate change, offshore oil drilling and immigration this week as bubbling disagreements between President Donald Trump's administration and California all seemed to spill over at once. The Trump administration picked a notable moment to undo the Obama-era legal guidance that seemed to give states leeway to legalize marijuana: four days after California, the nation's largest by population and most important state economically, officially legalized marijuana for recreational purposes.

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California's isn't just the richest and biggest US state. It's also one of the most regulated, with its own environmental protection agency. [Gov. Jerry] Brown has said the ultimate effect of Trump withdrawing the US from the otherwise worldwide Paris climate accord would be small if states stepped up instead of the federal government.

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Nulli's goin' to hafta move to Mississippi.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-07 05:25 PM | Reply

I'm shufflin' through the Texas sand
But my head's in Mississippi.

--Billy Gibbons

#2 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-07 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

You boys got your thumb in your ass
and your mind in Arkansas.

- our Texas jr high football coach

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-07 06:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

California raised taxes and the States economy took off.

Kansas lowered them and their economy tanked.

What do the troglodytes in charge think of these facts.

On the other hand there is no more difficult place to get a project off the ground. Their independent regulatory agencies move slowly and contradict each other making the building process long and expensive.

Damn this Sessions jam
How I hate to be normal
It hurts my motor to go so slow
Damn this Sessions jam

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-07 06:38 PM | Reply

"Kansas lowered them and their economy tanked."

The economy didn't tank. The cuts didn't drive any growth and it harmed the state's budget.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-07 06:52 PM | Reply

^ so in other words, the economy in Kansas tanked.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-01-07 07:01 PM | Reply

The economy didn't tank. The cuts didn't drive any growth and it harmed the state's budget.

Posted by eberly at 2018-01-07 06:52 PM | Reply

WOW

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-07 07:03 PM | Reply

--if states stepped up instead of the federal government.

Translation. Higher taxes now!

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-07 07:07 PM | Reply

Wow what, Laura?

Are you confusing tax revenue with the "economy"?

The tax cut lowered tax revenue.

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-07 08:04 PM | Reply

Kansas has a population 1.5 times that of Nebraska, which has a similar landscape and economy. Yet Nebraska's job growth was 25% higher than Kansas. Public services suffered the most, especially K-12 schools.

www.forbes.com

Clearly Trump and the Republicans have conned the public AGAIN.

#10 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-08 07:45 AM | Reply

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"Nebraska's job growth was 25% higher than Kansas. "

Good for nebraska. Whats the tax environment in Nebraska?

Oh....you don't know? Of course not.

Keep swinging, viking3north.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-08 09:19 AM | Reply

"The economy didn't tank"

the Kansas economy has been described by people who really know what they are talking about as "a smoking ruin"

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-08 10:11 AM | Reply

The GDP of Kansas, the best measure of their economy, has dropped less than 1% in the last year. It's been growing steadily since 2009.
Perhaps you need to listen to fewer people and more data?

#13 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 11:25 AM | Reply

The link to the article might as well be called "People breathe everyday". When a Rep is in office, every single article coming from California can be called the same thing as this one. When a Dem is in office, every single article coming from California can be "California wants to have sex with the President". How about we just leave it at that and recognize this as just a stated fact.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-08 11:42 AM | Reply

"The GDP of Kansas, the best measure of their economy, has dropped less than 1% in the last year"

So is this a sign of success or failure?

#15 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-08 11:49 AM | Reply

Kansas Tax Experiment

"The experiment with tax policy was such a failure that a Republican controlled legislature not only voted to raise taxes, but did so over the veto of the governor."

www.brookings.edu

Now, also consider that on Pass Through businesses the tax fell to 0%. Pass throughs are often Doctors, Lawyers, etc. and because of those tax cuts they would owe zero in state income tax while workers who worked for them for low wages owed state taxes. Nice huh?

#16 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-08 11:56 AM | Reply

So is this a sign of success or failure? - #15 | Posted by Zed at 2018-01-08 11:49 AM
I'm not arguing that it is a success or a failure. I am disputing people's false claims that it is "a smoking ruin" and "the economy in Kansas tanked."
Clearly any rational peroson would say that a decrease of less than a percent is both a short-term failure, and not what was claimed above.

#17 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-01-08 12:26 PM | Reply

"So is this a sign of success or failure?"

well, neither. There could be many other factors affecting the economy (of course there are) that have nothing to do with income tax rates.

The tax experiment was a failure......that was not in question.

I only addressed the use of one specific expression......"economy tanked"

#18 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-08 12:36 PM | Reply

There is a reason why I've have individually slap so many people on this.....they wanted the Kansas economy to tank.

The tax plan was so offensive to them, the only appropriate result was for Kansas to basically collapse. that's what the state deserved, in their opinion.

so......we have deal with story after story affirming the tax experiment was a failure. But it's not good enough to admit it....there have to consequences so dire that we're on the edge of going out and shooting ourselves.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-08 12:40 PM | Reply

"they wanted the Kansas economy to tank"

yup. that's it, pansy man

remember when you couldn't turn around without some asshat here prefacing their glowing approval of this experiment with "you just wait" and "mark my words".
they claimed over and repeatedly that this would silence trickle down critics once and for all.

now all ebeerly wants is for people to stop talking about it and how wrong he, jeffyj and other dingdongs here turned out to be. It trickled down of course. All over them

#20 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-01-08 12:56 PM | Reply

I smell the drunken savage here.

poor bastard......

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-08 01:02 PM | Reply

I smell the drunken savage here.
poor bastard......

#21 | POSTED BY EBERLY

He's a schizoid.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-01-08 01:30 PM | Reply

"Good for nebraska. Whats the tax environment in Nebraska?"

Well, they haven't skipped several billion-dollar payments into their workers' pension funds, they haven't had to take billions from their road funds, and they haven't had to "sweep" any monies from the Early Childhood Development Funds. They also haven't self-created one fiscal crisis after another.

Brownback specifically pretended cutting and eliminating taxes would be an economic windfall. Instead, math ruled, and all Brownback caused was an economic downfall.

And a lot of Koch subsidiaries saved a buttload of cash...you know, the real purpose.

#23 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-08 04:36 PM | Reply

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that didn't answer my question.

#24 | Posted by eberly at 2018-01-08 04:59 PM | Reply

The nation's economy has been in the tank since 2008. The alleged recovery is greatly exaggerated. Wages have been stagnant for 40 years, even as productivity has gone up by a factor of six. All that gain has been reserved for pwners and some managers.

avig is using his best number, GDP, which is a poor measure of economic health from the perspective of ordinary people, the 99%. Why? Because as wages fall, profits for the rich skyrocket, the resulting average number obscures stagnant and falling wages.

#25 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-08 10:42 PM | Reply

The economy of Kansas and what little growth it had reflects the "big picture." I'd say that you could have economic growth that benefits a very select few in the State and it could still be considered a failure.

Measuring the economy in the short term by just using GDP doesn't reflect the real consequences of aggregious tax cuts that benefit corporations over everyday Americans.

Long term affects can't be measured yet. Let's see how Kansas' economy is doing another five or ten years from now when average person is ill prepared to join the workforce.

When your tax policy comes at the expense of basic services and education, the GDP, growth, whatever becomes irrelevant because your quality of life has just dropped significantly in comparison to expected norms.

We could enslave the citizens of Kansas and gut taxes across the board and see "positive economic gains." That doesn't make it a good measurement of policy.

#26 | Posted by handy_man at 2018-01-09 07:29 AM | Reply

The economy of Kansas and what little growth it had reflects the "big picture." I'd say that you could have economic growth that benefits a very select few in the State and it could still be considered a failure.

Measuring the economy in the short term by just using GDP doesn't reflect the real consequences of aggregious tax cuts that benefit corporations over everyday Americans.

Long term affects can't be measured yet. Let's see how Kansas' economy is doing another five or ten years from now when average person is ill prepared to join the workforce.

When your tax policy comes at the expense of basic services and education, the GDP, growth, whatever becomes irrelevant because your quality of life has just dropped significantly in comparison to expected norms.

We could enslave the citizens of Kansas and gut taxes across the board and see "positive economic gains." That doesn't make it a good measurement of policy.

#27 | Posted by handy_man at 2018-01-09 07:30 AM | Reply

"The nation's economy has been in the tank since 2008. The alleged recovery is greatly exaggerated. Wages have been stagnant for 40 years, even as productivity has gone up by a factor of six. All that gain has been reserved for pwners and some managers.

avig is using his best number, GDP, which is a poor measure of economic health from the perspective of ordinary people, the 99%. Why? Because as wages fall, profits for the rich skyrocket, the resulting average number obscures stagnant and falling wages."

Sigh. If you want America to fail, just say so. Just realize that all of the things you enjoy today like buying your favorite foods, products, etc. will all go away very quickly once America fails. It will be a long, hard road of recovery no matter what replaces our current aristocracy but just know that another aristocracy will replace them. They may not be rich in money but the powerful will always have something that others lack that gives them their societal status.

Also, just out of curiosity, please tell us how to measure our country's success/failure in terms of our economy. Since you say we have no recovery (even though one can easily see otherwise), what metrics do we need to be using to provide a true picture of our economy. Please, enlighten us with the results, don't just spout off that you know our economy sucks.

#28 | Posted by humtake at 2018-01-09 12:08 PM | Reply

Just like Wisconsin republican politicians specifically write legislation to penalize liberal Madison so do republican politicians in Congress write legislation in an attempt to penalize California.

Madison, Wisconsin has been controlled by liberals since taft booted the progressives from the republican party and fighting Bob La Follette formed the new Progressive party. Yes we have higher local taxes but we get what we pay for.

Madison Ranked 10th Best City for 20-Somethings August 2016 by Move.org
Madison Ranked 2nd Best City for Parks May 2016 by Livability.com
Madison Ranked U.S. Growth City #4 February 2016 by U-Haul
Madison Ranked #7 Best Metro Area for STEM Professionals January 2016 by WalletHub
Madison Ranked One of the 13 Hottest American Cities for 2016 January 2016 Business Insider
Madison Ranked the 10th Best City for an Active Lifestyle January 2016 by WalletHub
Madison Ranked 5 Stars December 2015 by Yelp.com
Madison Ranked Platinum Level Bicycle Friendly Community November 2015 by The League of American Bicyclists
Madison Ranked One of the Top 50 Swim Cities July 2015by USA Swimming
Madison Ranked the 3rd Healthiest City April 2015 by Livability.com
Madison Ranked One of the Top 10 Happiest Cities January 2015 by National Geographic
Madison Ranked the 9th Best City for People 35 and Younger December 2014 by Livability.com
Madison Ranked One of the Ten Best Cities for Military Retirement December 2014 by USAA Magazine
Madison Ranked #1 for Successful Aging among big cities and small cities November 2014 by Forbes.com
Madison Ranked the #1 Most Livable City in America September 2014 by Livability.com
Madison Ranked #5 in America's Best Cities for Young Professionals August 2014 by Forbes.com
Madison Ranked the 11th Best City for Families June 2014 by WalletHub
Madison Ranked One of the 10 Best Cities for Food Carts May 2014 by USA Today
Madison Ranked the 2nd Best Midwest City for Green Commuting May 2014 by HomeownersInsurance.com
Madison Ranked #5 in Best Places to Live November 2013 by Livability.com
National Planning Accolades for Williamson-Marquette Neighborhood October 2013
Each year during National Community Planning Month, APA's Great Places in America program names 30 exemplary neighborhoods, street and public spaces to highlight the role planning plays in adding value to communities.
Madison wins Best-Tasting Water in Wisconsin September 2013
Madison's tap water was chosen as the best-tasting in the state during the Wisconsin Water Association's annual taste test at the State Fair.
Madison Ranked #8 in Happiest, Healthiest Cities in America September 2013by Prevention Magazine
Madison Maintains Superior Bond Rating September 2013
Moody's Investor Service has continued Madison's Aaa bond rating with a stable outlook.
Madison Ranked Among Top Healthiest Cities September 2013
A national accolade for Madison from Huffington Post for being one of the country's 25 healthiest cities.
Bird City - Madison September 2013
Madison was recognized as a "Bird City" by the Bird City Wisconsin project.

Sure beats Kansas. I'll happily pay my slightly higher property taxes in return for this.

#29 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-09 01:34 PM | Reply

"Since you say we have no recovery (even though one can easily see otherwise), what metrics do we need to be using to provide a true picture of our economy."

How about individual or household debt.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-09 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Its not that there has been no recovery, we are in much better shape than the EU, Russia or Venezuela. But the recovery is greatly exaggerated because it is measured as an average of both workers and leaches. Through the political process, the leaches are recovering more and more while workers are provided less and less. This is difficult to see if your only measure is the GDP, which is an average of active (worker) and passive (leache) income.

#31 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-01-09 02:40 PM | Reply

Its not that there has been no recovery, we are in much better shape than the EU, Russia or Venezuela. But the recovery is greatly exaggerated because it is measured as an average of both workers and leaches. Through the political process, the leaches are recovering more and more while workers are provided less and less. This is difficult to see if your only measure is the GDP, which is an average of active (worker) and passive (leache) income.

#31 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2018-01-09 02:40 PM | REPLY

Then we need to start taxing the leeches on wall street more than the workers.

You know the ones who get unearned income because, you know, they didn't earn it.

#32 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-01-09 02:48 PM | Reply

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