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Thursday, January 04, 2018

Supporters of California's newly-minted status as a sanctuary state for illegal aliens have predictably hailed the move as an act of compassion. However, it's time to call this what it truly is: an act of rebellion by a state against the authority of the federal government that will endanger the lives of law enforcement officials and California residents.

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Garbage thread by the usual suspect.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-04 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It is nothing of the kind. It is a state deciding that their responsibility is to enforce state laws, they aren't preventing federal authorities from enforcing federal laws but they just aren't going to do it for them. The hypocrisy of the right about immigration is incredible. I remember back during the housing bubble when the Bush administration did as little as possible to discourage workers from Mexico from entering and working in the United States. I argued with conservatives right here about it all the time. Back then I was incensed about the idea that we were allowing illegal immigrants to displace American workers but then I realized that none of them would have jobs without the cooperation of the contractors who hired them and nothing much has been done to punish them. Build your wall, contractors want cheap labor, they'll pick them up and transport them here by water. Point is, the Republican Party is not opposed to illegal immigration but they pretend to be to please their stupid base while their Dear Leader hires illegal labor at Mara Lago. He's laughing at y'all and so it the entire leadership of the GOP.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-01-04 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

States rights for slavery is good, states rights for leaving brown people alone is bad.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-01-04 09:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

States rights for slavery is good, states rights for leaving brown people alone is bad.

Posted by bored at 2018-01-04 09:52 AM | Reply

Well it's Boaz so......................

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-04 09:57 AM | Reply

Danni,

I work in construction and it's not an issue of contractors hiring illegals over citizens or even legal immigrants it's an issue of contractors trying to hire anyone. The pay scale is getting out of control and the recent drop in immigration is only making the matter worse. In 2017 I got a 15% pay bump and expect about the same in 2018. The median age of construction workers is 41 right now and companies are desperately seeking new applicants.

You can blame greedy contractors all you want but the fact is they are the exception not the rule.

#5 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-04 10:18 AM | Reply

Well, contractors and other businesses will eventually have to raise wages to the point where they attract workers. What's the problem there Tao? Workers wages have been lagging behind gdp and flat since 1979.

#6 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-01-04 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

states rights for leaving brown people alone is bad.

There is a difference between a citizen of the U.S. and a citizen of another country isnt there?

Can we at least agree on that?

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-04 11:41 AM | Reply

There is a difference between a citizen of the U.S. and a citizen of another country isnt there?

Can we at least agree on that?

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-04 11:41 AM | Reply

Not according to the Constitution there is NO difference.

#8 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-04 11:43 AM | Reply

14th Amendment baby

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

#9 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-04 11:45 AM | Reply

That phrase is talking about citizens

I think you need to be more educated on who the constitution was written for.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-04 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

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That phrase is talking about citizens

I think you need to be more educated on who the constitution was written for.

Posted by boaz at 2018-01-04 11:50 AM | Reply

No actually it pertains ANY person not just a US Citizen. You sure don't know squat do you???

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-01-04 11:52 AM | Reply

California can't secede. Though I for one think those of us in California would be a lot better off if we did. We dominate in agriculture. We dominate in high tech. We dominate in military sophistication. We dominate in cheap landscaping and cheap general domestic help around the house. And we are the home of the Los Angeles Rams. All we need to do is figure out another way to continue stealing the water reserves of the rest of the western states and we'll be set.

#12 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-01-04 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dibblda,

Wages in construction right now are only slightly behind nursing wages and for skilled trades can surpass that. Granted I work 70 hours a week 3 months out of the year but my annual income is on par with a civil engineer or operations manager and is 75% of the median of a software developer.

Margins for most contractors are razor thin and wage pressure is already jacking up housing prices.

I know several millennials in crappy jobs and I have offered to train all of them or get them in with another company that would train them. Not a single one has taken me up on it despite that minimum starting salary while training would be 50% more than their current income. It would also include paid vacations and paid holidays something they don't currently get.

So just how much per sq ft. are you willing to pay for your next house?

#13 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-04 12:09 PM | Reply

#13 TAO

Thanks to CA and Seattle and, of course, Portlandia here in PDX our next threshold is $500 per square foot...despite the fact my brother just self contracted a 3,500 sq. ft. (in OK) including a 3 car garage with tons of high end upgrades for $85 per.

#14 | Posted by gavaster at 2018-01-04 12:20 PM | Reply

#14

Damn 500 per sq ft is nuts. Around here it's shot up but still only running about 150. If wages continue to rise at the current rate though by next year that might hit 165-175 just because of wage pressure. Add in the influx of people we are seeing and I would not be shocked to see 200-250 within 5 years.

Wages through out most of the area are not keeping pace with the home price rise so something will have to give though. Unless a lot of operations managers move into skilled trades instead :)

#15 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-04 12:36 PM | Reply

Tao,

I live in Bermuda Run. Price was out of control when we built here.

Do you do work in Clemmons?

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2018-01-04 12:55 PM | Reply

Tao,

What salary are you offering? Genuinely curious.

And yeah, we will pay a little more, but rising wages across regions and industries should cover the difference. I'm sure margins are razor thin as you say for independent contractors but a lot of other industries are not, as large corps are sitting on mountains of cash that they could have used to pay their employees better.

Ford had it right when he paid his employees enough to purchase one of the cars they built.

#17 | Posted by dibblda at 2018-01-04 02:28 PM | Reply

...only if cannabis is the catalyst.

#18 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-04 02:29 PM | Reply

Don't usually go as far as Clemmons Boaz but in theory I could. Tomorrow I'm going all the way to Boydton Va so my range is pretty big.

My base is west Raleigh so the bulk of my work is Raleigh/Durham but if you drew a circle around Raleigh passing through Oxford, Mebane, Pitsboro, Sanford, and Louisberg you would enclose over 95% of my work area.

Dibblda,

Training wages usually run in the 12 an hour range with an experienced skilled trades person making 16-25 an hour. If you start at 12 you will be at 16 within 2 years or you won't be in the business. In this area 16 an hour is enough to live a decent life. And most of the millennials I know are making well under 10 working crappy service industry jobs. Pretty much everyone in construction I know works 40 hours for some company in the 16-25 range then does side jobs making in the 50-75 range.

large corps are sitting on mountains of cash that they could have used to pay their employees better.

Thing is most builders don't really employ any labor other than supers. So while the big boys might have mountains of cash (I doubt it I'm talking residential building here) none of the companies that actually employ the labor have stacks of cash.

#19 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-01-04 02:59 PM | Reply

Among that population will be those who will commit violent crimes.

Undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than the rest of the population.

The Hill should not be running this commentary from an anti-immigrant bigot who runs an organization to demonize the undocumented.

#20 | Posted by rcade at 2018-01-04 03:47 PM | Reply

#15 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR

I regularly see houses selling for $350-$400 per sq ft but I think we're topping out for now. New construction is over 7k new SFH's a year and no end in sight as yet. We have 6 national builders coming to town in the next year. If you're in PDX and you're in construction with a decent crew...you have more work than you can handle. I've heard of a lot of roofers who are 2-3 months out on installs. Construction monitor shows 7,028 new SFH permits in 2017...I know the company I work for serviced about 4000 of those last year. Add another 25% of money wise for the remodeling sector and you have a booming and construction sector.

#21 | Posted by gavaster at 2018-01-04 05:39 PM | Reply

the rent is too damn high.
price control is due.
ppl get raises and prices go up to take it away. it doesn't HAVE to be such a greedy equation.

#22 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-04 06:34 PM | Reply

#22 ICHIRO

I have clients that are doubling their rent, for no other reason than people will pay it. From $1,100 a month to $2,200 for a 2 bed, 2 bath. Yeah, he put a fresh coat of paint and new carpet in the house. But doubling rent? Ouch.

#23 | Posted by gavaster at 2018-01-04 06:48 PM | Reply

#23 moreover, is "he" not already wealthy?

#24 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-05 05:05 AM | Reply

#24 - ICHIRO

With a rental portfolio his father handed to him that was started over 50 years ago? 75 doors with no mortgages worth about a cool $15M. He's not hurting.

#25 | Posted by gavaster at 2018-01-05 10:40 AM | Reply

If California were to secede, I suspect that first post secession action taken by many of the counties would be to secede from the country of California an rejoin the United States. Leaving a much, much smaller independent california.

#26 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 01:56 PM | Reply

"to secede from the country of California an rejoin the United States. Leaving a much, much smaller independent california."

Do you believe the poorer counties, or wealthier counties would rejoin? The former would simply make NewCal stronger, and the rest of the 49 weaker.

#27 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-01-05 01:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27
+1

#28 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-01-05 02:13 PM | Reply

"Do you believe the poorer counties, or wealthier counties would rejoin? The former would simply make NewCal stronger, and the rest of the 49 weaker."

I mean the Red counties.

"images.search.yahoo.com"

Whether the new California would be weaker or stronger though, I can't answer that. The new state's urban areas would lose virtually all access to fresh water, although far less would be needed because the state would lose virtually all of it's agricultural areas as well. Additionally, the massive military presence in San Diego would relocate (barring some treaty allowing otherwise), as would the defense contractors currently located in California.

I think that in theory, California could preserve the US a major trading partner and Do pretty well, but it would really be dependent on the relationship between the new country and the US.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 03:34 PM | Reply

Red Congressional Districts, rather.

And the reason California feels this way is the same reason that Texas does, or Idaho does, or parts of the Pacific Northwest...where I grew up. It's politicians completely disconnected from the local realities trying to impose one-size-fits-all legislation across the entire country. I would support the right of california or any state to secede, but I would also state that it wouldn't be necessary if it weren't for the fact that too many people get thier panties in a knot when other people are behaving in a way that they find unacceptable.

#30 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 03:45 PM | Reply

I'll vote for secession. And then move. Jerry Moonbeam and his likely successor, Gavin NewBeam are taxing this state to death with goofy ideas like the Moonbeam Express to nowhere.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-05 03:49 PM | Reply

"It's politicians completely disconnected from the local realities trying to impose one-size-fits-all legislation across the entire country." - #30 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 03:45 PM

One-size-fits-all legislation like the 1964 Civil Rights Act?

Or the 1965 Voting Rights Act?

One-size-fits-all legislation like those?

It is no wonder why you don't like one-size-fits-all legislation.

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-05 03:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll vote for secession. And then move.

What's stopping you?

I'm sure a gay journalist, such as yourself, could thrive in Oklahoma, or Mississippi.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-05 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--What's stopping you?

You're retarded. I can't vote for it until it's on a ballot. What a dummy. lol

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-05 04:11 PM | Reply

No state can secede from the Union.

If California tried, the President would have no choice but to declare martial law, send in the Army to Sacramento and take over the Capitol and arrest everyone responsible. If anyone resisted, they'd be shot.

#35 | Posted by madscientist at 2018-01-05 04:13 PM | Reply

--#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-05 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag: | Newsworthy 1

Without looking, the Great Nulli looks into his crystal ball and divines the flagger: Hans.

Am I right?

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-01-05 04:13 PM | Reply

No state can secede from the Union.

That's kind of what I thought.

#37 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-05 04:22 PM | Reply

You're retarded. I can't vote for it until it's on a ballot. What a dummy. lol

I was referring to you moving out of state, smart guy.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-01-05 04:29 PM | Reply

"One-size-fits-all legislation like those?"

And like the 2nd Amendment. And federal Drug Laws. And in this case, Federally imposed immigration policy.

So yeah...like those.

"I'm sure a gay journalist, such as yourself, could thrive in Oklahoma, or Mississippi."

Why not?

#39 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 04:31 PM | Reply

"That's kind of what I thought."

The whole concept of not being able to seced reminds me of some puritanical notion of marriage, where it's better for two people to stay married, even if they're utterly incompatible, then to go their separate ways where they might be able to not only find hpaiiness, but get along with their former partner.

#40 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 04:33 PM | Reply

The whole concept of not being able to seced reminds me of some puritanical notion of marriage...

Nevertheless, that's the way it is.

#41 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-01-05 04:35 PM | Reply

Nulli is werking on the Send the Brown Kids Back to Mexico! ballot initiative... aka the Get Offa My Lawn! amendment.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2018-01-05 05:31 PM | Reply

"And like the 2nd Amendment." - #39 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-01-05 04:31 PM

The Bill of Rights to the US Constitution is not legislation, one-size-fits-all or otherwise.

It would figure that you wouldn't know that.

#43 | Posted by Hans at 2018-01-05 05:45 PM | Reply

If California tried, the President would have no choice but to declare martial law, send in the Army to Sacramento and take over the Capitol and arrest everyone responsible. If anyone resisted, they'd be shot.

#35 | Posted by madscientist

-----! Now THAT is gonna be a great Episode of the Trumpy Show!

What channel/time does it air? I am gonna set my DVR right now.

#44 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-01-05 07:44 PM | Reply

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