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Thursday, December 28, 2017

Nick Hanauer: Three years ago, in these pages, I warned you that the pitchforks were coming. I argued that 30 years of rising and accelerating inequality would inevitably lead to some sort of populist revolt that would disrupt the fantastic lives we elites enjoy. I cautioned that any society which allows itself to become radically and indefensibly unequal eventually faces either an uprising or a police state -- or both. Don't say I didn't warn you. And don't console yourself for a minute that in electing a fellow plutocrat, our side won. President Trump isn't on any side but his own ... After his trickle-down policies -- like ripping away heath care from tens of millions of Americans so plutocrats like us can get giant tax cuts, or just enacting giant tax cuts for us, and calling it tax reform -- inevitably exacerbate the already extreme inequality that helped sweep him into office, those pitchforks will be angrier than ever.

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The pitchforks are coming, my friends, and whether they come in the angry hands of a desperate mob or the tiny hands of an angry dictator, they're coming for us.

You may not want to believe that your great fortune has come, at least in part, at the expense of others, but the American people believe it. And they're righteously pissed.

So, you have a choice: You can either act now to help close the vast economic divide that is tearing our republic apart -- or you can follow Trump's rhetorical lead and start building huge --- walls. The pitchforks are at the gate, and time is running short.

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Damn - I thought I had a cool third video lined up but messed it up -- wish we could edit our posts. Oh well.

I don't believe for a second any of the economic BS that's been vomited by Republicans about the latest round of tax cuts that's supposed to make things better ... it's nothing but free money for corporations already making record profits.

Real tax reform would be redesigning tax laws to incentivize corporations to pay workers more, instead of suppressing worker wages.

People who are not millionaires and billionaires, but who argue on the plutocrats behalf, are pathetically ridiculous.

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 07:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Here's a photo from the sky of Ft. Lauderdale showing how desperate for tax cuts the 1% really are:

www.gettyimages.com

#2 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-28 08:27 AM | Reply

#2

Man Danni that is so sad, look at all those poor folks with just 25' boats. Heck even those big ones have probably been reduced to serving domestic caviar.

#3 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2017-12-28 09:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Heck even those big ones have probably been reduced to serving domestic caviar."

Hardly, if you only knew how many Russian prostitutes work on those boats it would blow your mind. The people who own those yachts spend money like there is no tomorrow because they have more money than they know what to do with it. But hey, I applaud them, they do create well paying jobs here. It's certainly better than the rich who just invest in stocks, etc. I never have a problem with rich folks who want to buy luxurious things, spend, spend, spend and I'll be their friend. Hoard the wealth, then I'm not there for them.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-28 09:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"People who are not millionaires and billionaires, but who argue on the plutocrats behalf, are pathetically ridiculous."

Not as ridiculous as anonymous posters who have to assign that position (argue on the plutocrats behalf) to others in order to avoid just playing with themselves.

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-28 09:14 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not as ridiculous as anonymous posters who have to assign that position (argue on the plutocrats behalf) to others in order to avoid just playing with themselves.

#5 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I don't embarrass easily, and I could care less if I'm the only one who posts these types of threads -- that said, right now I count 5 threads involving the obscene wealth inequality ...

Regular people should be justifiably outraged that tens of trillions of dollars are wasted on things that don't benefit them, but benefit beyond comprehension a very small and select few (billionaires).

Regular people aren't outraged because they've been inculcated and indoctrinated, pacified, and distracted by decades of economic dogma and propaganda, gizmos, and the culture wars.

You don't think any of this is a problem, okay ... I'll assign one more position to you = willful apathy.

#6 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 10:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Keep piling the positions up, fool. You're just being laughed at.

and are you unemployed or something? You're posting around the clock these days.

#7 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-28 10:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Keep piling the positions up, fool. You're just being laughed at.

#7 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Being laughed at by anyone who argues on behalf of douchebag billionaires is a badge of honor.

You're not dense, you're bright -- why you're so stubborn over what is obvious is beyond me.

#8 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 10:33 AM | Reply

Pinch, you believe the pitchforks are coming? In what form?

what represents "pitchforks are coming" to you?

#9 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-28 10:33 AM | Reply

Hanauer writes ...

I find myself in deep disagreement with almost everyone I talk to about Trump and Trumpism. I firmly believe that Trump, by himself, is not the problem...

The real threat to our republic is an alarming breakdown in social cohesion, and the cause of this breakdown is obvious: radical, rising economic inequality, and the anger and anxiety it engenders.

The truth is that over the span of decades, American lawmakers (at the behest of economic elites like us!) have enacted policies that have depressed wages, stoked economic insecurity and exacerbated cultural angst and social dislocation.

At the same time, a tiny minority of mostly urban elite (again, us!) have benefitted obscenely from our growing economic, political and legal power.


Hanauer's TED talk of him laying out these truths got him banned.

#10 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 10:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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"Being laughed at by anyone who argues on behalf of douchebag billionaires is a badge of honor."

Your problem is that anybody who isn't in 100% lockstep with you on all aspects of this argument is "arguing on behalf of douchebag billionaires".

You need to stop with the douchebag billionaire stuff and stop accusing anybody who proffers a question or any kind of discussion about our economy that you either don't understand or disagree with of being a quisling for the 1%.

You're accusing me of all sorts of things here.

I didn't vote for Trump
I don't support this tax bill

Jesus...is there anybody here you can have a productive conversation with?

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-28 10:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Pinch, you believe the pitchforks are coming? In what form?

what represents "pitchforks are coming" to you?

#9 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Hanauer thinks the pitchforks will come in either the form of Trumpism (police state) or from the workers ... I'm siding with the workers because they're mostly like me, as compared to far right-wing authoritarianism.

If wealth inequality wasn't what it is, if tax cuts weren't dogma, if there were actual sane and rational Republican voices in all areas of government ... I'd probably still be voting Republican while not hearing much of a peep out of me.

#12 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 10:50 AM | Reply

The real threat to our republic is an alarming breakdown in social cohesion, and the cause of this breakdown is obvious ~ Hanauer

True ....

radical, rising economic inequality, and the anger and anxiety it engenders. - Hanauer

False ....

Regular people should be justifiably outraged that tens of trillions of dollars are wasted on things that don't benefit them, but benefit beyond comprehension a very small and select few (billionaires).

Then they have been lied too, 2/3 of US budget is going to "regular" people, that is the Trillions being spent on THEM. When RCade talks about kids and grandkids having to pay it back, its paying back what "regular" people are spending today. Its not the peoples fault the government can't live within its means. Hausers Law.
en.wikipedia.org

The truth is that over the span of decades, American lawmakers (at the behest of economic elites like us!) have enacted policies that have depressed wages, stoked economic insecurity and exacerbated cultural angst and social dislocation.

False ...

The major factor in stagnating wages is the massive immigration we have sustained since the 70s.
teacher.scholastic.com
Wages vs Productivity ....
www.epi.org

Heres the rub,

Economic insecurity "disappeared" as a problem under Obamas media ... its only now returning in the MSM due to a President that is hated by them.

See a pattern? Suppress the bad news under a Democrat, and bring it out under a Republican. You will never solve the problem when foodstamp participation nearly doubles under Liberal watch and its not reported. Only now do we hear about the Homeless "explosion" in LATimes and WaPo.
Extereme Poverty Returns to America
www.washingtonpost.com
www.latimes.com

You have liberals here on the DR claiming the economy was great under Obama, it wasn't we are immigrating at a tremendous rate, yet more citizens were homeless and couldn't get jobs ....

Is it really any wonder why? Keep supporting massive immigration ..... see how this turns out, you can't tax your way to income equality.

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2017-12-28 10:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 4

"Hanauer thinks the pitchforks will come in either the form of Trumpism (police state) or from the workers"

I still don't know what that means.

"I'm siding with the workers.."

what does that mean? what are you going to do differently than what you are doing right now?

and when?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-28 11:04 AM | Reply

Good article.

I saw an interview with Warren Buffet and Bill Gates the other day. They are basically saying the same things.

However, none of them seem to want to touch the reason regular americans are so out of touch. One is the lack of education. The other is the need for people to identify with a political party, even to their own destruction.

#15 | Posted by kudzu at 2017-12-28 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

"You have liberals here on the DR claiming the economy was great under Obama..."

Look at the economy Obama got, vs the one he handed off. Case closed.

"...more citizens were homeless and couldn't get jobs"

Ah, a sop to the math-illiterate. The fact "more" as a raw number occurred was only due to population increases; the rates of homelessness and unemployment decreased.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-28 11:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"I don't embarrass easily, and I could care less if I'm the only one who posts these types of threads -- that said, right now I count 5 threads involving the obscene wealth inequality"

Inequality is not and never has been a problem. In any population, there are rich and poor. Here in the US, most of us are in the 1%.

If there are pitchforks coming...if rich truly don't deserve what they have, what WE have, then it's the starving huddled masses outside of the US that should have first dibs.

Americans quibbling with other Americans about who's richer than who is the global equivalent of some snobbish cocktail party where one spoiled entitled partygoer bleats on about those spoiled partygoers who have even more.

In fact it's a luxury, a sign of success, that you're able to give a ---- about inequality at all. In most parts of the world, people are still concerned primarily with real problems, like adequate food and shelter.

#17 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-28 04:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Front page ... woot, Woot, WOOT!!!

Damn, I wish I didn't flumox this pitchfork oriented video to put after the SpongeBob one ... youtu.be

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 04:13 PM | Reply


"You have liberals here on the DR claiming the economy was great under Obama..."

Fake News.

Never happened.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-28 04:16 PM | Reply

"yet more citizens were homeless and couldn't get jobs .... "

And yet a year after Trump took office it is worse than ever.

www.youtube.com

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-28 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

PINCH

Loss of power and influence hurts worse than any virtual reality pitchfork.

Trump will only feel like he's been stabbed in the groin.

#21 | Posted by Twinpac at 2017-12-28 04:30 PM | Reply

For Democrats, who usually side with farmers they will come with pitchforks.

For Republicans, who usually side with gun nuts they will come with a second amendment solution.

#22 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-28 04:43 PM | Reply

Trump will only feel like he's been stabbed in the groin.

#21 | POSTED BY TWINPAC

Agree -- but I'd also pay to see Ivanka administer the money shot to Trump's cubes.

#23 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-28 04:50 PM | Reply

what represents "pitchforks are coming" to you?

#9 | POSTED BY EBERLY

It means a political revolution ...

"I think what the American people are saying is enough is enough. This country, this great country, belongs to all of us. It cannot continue to be controlled by a handful of billionaires who apparently want it all."

-- Bernie Sanders


I admit that it's a corny quote ... but it's far from being as ridiculous as anyone trying to say that the Koch Brothers are benevolent and altruistic billionaires whose intentions are misunderstood by the little people.

Like I said, I don't embarrass easily, and I'll add that I don't offend easily.

That said, trillions of dollars continually spent on all things that only a very few billionaires benefit from at planet Jupiter-sized disproportionate levels ... that offends me. Why? Because now we're talking about peoples livelihoods and the simple idea of trying to lead a dignified life -- it's even in the Declaration of Independence, remember?

Even if we raised taxes on billionaires to Eisenhower Era levels (90%), they'll still have jillions of dollars and more money than they'll ever be able to spend in a lifetime.

But these same billionaires are obviously offended by the idea of raising taxes, or raising wages, or passing profits on to workers -- and that's why I get to say "douche-bag billionaires" -- eff them.

At least billionaire Nick Hanauer gets it.

#24 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 07:22 AM | Reply

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again, you're just summarizing the problems...not the solution. a quote from Bernie Sanders does not equate to a political revolution. He didn't even win a primary election.

you suggest raising taxes on the highest brackets to 90%? A 100% unrealistic idea?

Face it. There are no pitchforks in the near future. Nick Hanaure hasn't gotten a thing right on this issue.

There are no pitchforks. You said it yourself.."Regular people aren't outraged because they've been inculcated and indoctrinated, pacified, and distracted by decades of economic dogma and propaganda, gizmos, and the culture wars"

#25 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-29 08:20 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

you're just summarizing the problems...not the solution. a quote from Bernie Sanders does not equate to a political revolution. He didn't even win a primary election.

you suggest raising taxes on the highest brackets to 90%? A 100% unrealistic idea?

#25 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Hanauer listed solutions, notably raising the minimum wage and increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit.

As for me, my solutions are VERY simple ... do the opposite of what we've been doing since end of the 1970s.

Getting bogged down in details is self-defeating ... in that other thread even RoC and BruceBanner (two conservatives) couldn't agree whether U.S. productivity was increasing or declining ... details are only there to be worked thru on the way to a solution.

And the solution is douchebag billionaires need to pay their fair share.

#26 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 09:29 AM | Reply

Where did Eberly go?

#27 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 12:00 PM | Reply

working...sorry.

I don't disagree with what Hanauer is suggesting but I wouldn't call those "solutions" and I certainly wouldn't call it a "political revolution" as a metaphor to the pitchfork thing.

Christ, you don't have to battle just the billionaire club to increase minimum wage and EITC, you have to battle the middle class for those things.

as long as you are fighting the very people you are trying to help......I wouldn't call it a political revolution.

you're just dreaming....

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-29 12:46 PM | Reply

you're just dreaming....

#28 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Since 2001 we as a country have taken taxpayer money and spent it on the following ...

• Two Bush Tax Cuts = $6.6 trillion (2001, 2003)
• Medicare Part D = $1 trillion (2003)
• Iraq War = $7 trillion (2003 - 2009)
• Wall Street Bank Bailout = $12.8 trillion (2008)
• Obama Stimulus = $1 trillion (2009)
• Trump/GOP Tax Cuts = $1.5 trillion (2017)

Almost $30 trillion.

It's not dreaming to look at that and ask the obvious questions.

The problem is getting this very simple and straightforward list in front of ALL knuckleheaded Americans, so they'll too ask the obvious questions ... do that, and America will have a political revolution.

#29 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 01:06 PM | Reply

29

it's not that simple and straightforward.

If it were, we would have had it already.

Believe what you want, Pinch.

#30 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-29 01:22 PM | Reply

Keep supporting massive immigration ..... see how this turns out, you can't tax your way to income equality.

#13 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2017-12-28 10:58 AM | FLAG: Flag: NEWSWORTHY 3

Three things ...

Unemployment is low, which makes your attempt make immigration a scapegoat a red herring.

Second, by today's standards Eisenhower had high taxes and had policies that strengthened those taxes ... and Ike was a Republican.

Lastly, if you and the 3 others who flagged your post as newsworthy are ever awakened in the middle of the night, the first words out of your guy's mouths, after the chewing tobacco, is "illegals!".

#31 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-29 01:25 PM | Reply

Regular people aren't outraged because they've been inculcated and indoctrinated, pacified, and distracted by decades of economic dogma and propaganda, gizmos, and the culture wars....

#6 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2017-12-28 10:19 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

That's before PINCHALOAF begins the real abuse.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-29 10:40 PM | Reply

America will have a political revolution.

#29 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF AT 2017-12-29 01:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Led by?

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-29 10:41 PM | Reply

Led by?

#33 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

TBA

maybe Jessica Bruder

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-30 08:37 AM | Reply

Interesting choice!

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-30 09:16 AM | Reply

"Even if we raised taxes on billionaires to Eisenhower Era levels (90%), they'll still have jillions of dollars and more money than they'll ever be able to spend in a lifetime."

Coupla things. First, the 90% income tax bracket only kicked in after $4 million-ish (2017$) in earned income.

Second, you're presupposing that the people who would be paying 90% of their income in taxes would continue to engage in those activities, when they're basically doing it for free.

There are a lot of nuances that progressives don't seem to want to grapple with when addressing the high tax rates of the 1950s, maybe most notably the fact that rates for the lowest income earners were more than double what they are today as well. In addition, the 90% rate would have only applied to a very small number of income earners. Progressional athletes, movie stars, people like that.

And in the 1950s, those tax dollars were being used almost exclusively to fend off communism. Today, we don't have that kind of threat. And I don't know if high or low income earners would accept a more than doubling of their taxes.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 11:20 AM | Reply

"Hanauer listed solutions, notably raising the minimum wage and increasing the Earned Income Tax Credit."

Which is going to do nothing more than increase the dependency of the dependent class and make sure that those teenagers who could find jobs would have better cars than their parents.

"As for me, my solutions are VERY simple ... do the opposite of what we've been doing since end of the 1970s."

So...shrink the economy instead of growing it?

"And the solution is douchebag billionaires need to pay their fair share."

That's a totally subjective statement...given that they are already paying my share and likely yours as well. if we wanted to, I bet we could sit down and figure out how much each of our tax bills would go up if the billionaires disappeared.

#37 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 11:24 AM | Reply

"Led by?"

Who knows. if there is a revolution, I would honestly say it's more likely to be led by right-wing nationalists than progressives.

Remember, the National Socialists in Germany gained power using many of the same economic arguments that Pinch is presenting, adding nationalism to the narrative. And it startled me when Clownshack or Speaksofftly or one of those commented last March on how the US needed a Nationalist Socialist party.

I think we're more at risk to wind up looking like Nazi germany than we are to wind up like the Russians under Bolshevik rule.

#38 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 11:30 AM | Reply

@ MadBomber

I don't mind you disagreeing ...

But the idea that smart people in government, regardless of political party, can't take even some of the $30 trillion dollars spent over time, since 2001, and make what's ailing America better, over that same span of time -- I totally reject that idea.

Thought Experiment -

- I'm not worth a million bucks, but I can get my head wrapped around that sum and if that was a goal of mine I'd have a clear target to shoot at (so to speak).

- And the idea here is not me wanting a million bucks, the idea is what a million bucks means -- and most importantly what it can do in terms of educating children, general lifestyle, personal health and well being, and even material possessions.

- $50 million bucks? Sure, I can get my mind around that sum. That's allot of corned beef sandwiches I get to shove in my pie-hole.

- Hundreds of millions of dollars? Getting harder. One of my two local area hospital/health system's recently spent $140 million dollars in expansion. But I can understand that expansion means hiring more hospital staff.

- a billion dollars? Or even tens of billions of dollars? The NYC school system has a budget of $8.5 billion. I venture to guess that most American school systems don't come anywhere near the NYC school system's budget.

- Hundreds of billions of dollars? I've pointed out dozens of times the the U.S. Healthcare System, which is 1/6 of America's economy, wastes ~ $750 billion annually.

- so now we're talking TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ... I admit that, one a personal basis, I can't get my head wrapped around that sum of money.

All that said, I do fully understand that $30 trillion freaking dollars means that, if spent infrastructure and education and healthcare, there would be more than enough jobs for everyone and that we as a country wouldn't be arguing over wealth inequality.

30 Trillion Mutha-Effing Dollars since 2001 -- almost all of it pissed away on stupid ----. No wonder populist politicians like Trump and Bernie Sanders rose to national prominence.

#39 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-30 12:12 PM | Reply

"Which is going to do nothing more than increase the dependency of the dependent class"

Not everyone is a chief.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2017-12-30 12:15 PM | Reply

- wind up like the Russians under Bolshevik rule.

That's hilarious. Almost as funny as buh-lieving the "National Socialists" were lefties.

They are still around, in this country, btw, and they are still all fervent rwingers.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-30 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"But the idea that smart people in government, regardless of political party, can't take even some of the $30 trillion dollars spent over time, since 2001, and make what's ailing America better, over that same span of time -- I totally reject that idea."

What do you think is ailing America? And the bank bailout was paid back, with interest. I wasn't a fan of TARP...but it does appear to have been a successful program.

#42 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's hilarious. Almost as funny as buh-lieving the "National Socialists" were lefties."

You have absolutely no clue about national socialism if you don't understand that their economic policies were little different from those being espoused by other socialist parties. Both then and now.

#43 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 01:24 PM | Reply

"You have absolutely no clue about national socialism if you don't understand that their economic policies were little different from those being espoused by other socialist parties. Both then and now."

Except for the murdering of millions of people, the invading of other nations, the torture of millions. Blow your idiotic ideas out your posterior. That's disguting. There is no legitimate defense of comparison of National Socialism to any modern democracy.

""But the idea that smart people in government, regardless of political party, can't take even some of the $30 trillion dollars spent over time, since 1980, and make what's ailing America better, over that same span of time -- I totally reject that idea.""

FTFY

#44 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-30 01:28 PM | Reply

How Trump is wrecking the American Dream ... www.drudge.com

#45 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-30 02:47 PM | Reply

"Except for the murdering of millions of people, the invading of other nations, the torture of millions."

Hmm. Sounds a lot like the other Socialist Superpower from the same time period.

#46 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-30 06:15 PM | Reply

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