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The main reason the tax cut is unpopular is that most people are completely uninformed about what it consists of. To cut to the chase, hundreds of millions who are getting a tax cut think they're not. And where did they get that idea? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

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And where did people get the idea that "the middle class is getting a tax hike" when that is objectively and factually false?

I realize the media object to idea that they should parrot "Republican talking points," and I don't want them to do that either. But it's one thing to resist spewing talking points under the guise of news. It's another thing to withhold information about a proposed policy change because some of the information will reflect well on Republicans. It's your job to report the facts without fear or favor, not to worry about who will benefit when you do.

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The main reason the tax cut is unpopular is that most people are completely uninformed about what it consists of. To cut to the chase, hundreds of millions who are getting a tax cut think they're not.

And where did they get that idea?

I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count.

Obama cut taxes on 95% of Americans with his 2009 Stimulus, yet polls showed most people didn't know that Obama cut their taxes -- well, gee, I wonder why Einstein?

I argued FOR YEARS in the Nooner to you and the rest of the Knucklehead Brigade that Obama cut your taxes -- yet you and the rest of the Know-Nothing ----------- Brigade refused to believe the facts.

So you can take your FAKE indignation about The Orange Effing Moron cutting taxes and people not believing it and stick it up your dress.

Thread SUCKS

#1 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 10:33 AM | Reply

1) Headline is misleading, without the word Temporary.

2) Why would it matter if 80% are getting a tax cut, if 82% of that tax cut goes to the top 1%?

#2 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 11:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Headline is misleading, without the word Temporary.

No, it just doesnt project your bias. The liberal media and YOU would never tell everyone that 80+ % of Americans are getting a tax cut.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 11:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"No, it just doesnt project your bias. "

History has no bias; the last tax overhaul lasted 30 years. And clearly YOUR bias is to pretend they're borrowing less than they are, so you ignore everything after the first few years. My statement was correct: the individual cuts are TEMPORARY, whereas the corporate cuts are permanent. Once this bill comes to fruition, 53% will pay more in taxes. But you're going to ignore that fact, aren't you?

Speaking of, 82% of what we're borrowing is going to the top 1%. No bias, just fact. Is that a good deal?

"The liberal media and YOU would never tell everyone that 80+ % of Americans are getting a tax cut."

The gal on the bottom is getting $2.60 a week. The guy at the top is getting $7000 a week. And we're borrowing ALL OF IT to do this.

Good deal, or not?

#4 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"80+ % of Americans are getting a tax cut.""

TEMPORARY tax cut. Then the majority are seeing tax increases.

Truth is important.

#5 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 11:47 AM | Reply

Truth is important.

#5 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Not to about 35% of Americans.

Maybe more.

Belief is way more important.

Did you know that nearly 80% of Americans Believe in Angels?

#6 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-23 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hermancain.com.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yer hilarious, Bozo.

#7 | Posted by Angrydad at 2017-12-23 12:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Hey,

Wherever you have to go to get the truth that the liberal media isnt reporting.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 12:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Wherever you have to go to get the truth that the liberal media isnt reporting."

The truth? You can't handle the truth. Real math says over 80% of this 100%-borrowed tax cut is going to end up in the pockets of the 1%.

What does Republican Math™ tell you?

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 12:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Headline is misleading, without the word Temporary."

Isn't almost everything temporary?

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-23 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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I do NOT support this tax bill. There is no justification for the largest cuts in the bill.

#11 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-23 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Isn't almost everything temporary?"

That's not what this is about. It's about keeping the real cost and effects of this bill hidden.

But I'll go your way, and ask: If it's not temporary, what's the REAL cost of the bill?

#12 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 12:33 PM | Reply

- What does Republican Math™ tell you?

It tells him that math and science both suck so don't pay any attention to them.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2017-12-23 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I do NOT support this tax bill. There is no justification for the largest cuts in the bill."

Not to worry; we're borrowing all of it.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 12:34 PM | Reply

"Isn't almost everything temporary?"

To the point, not the corporate tax cuts.

#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 12:35 PM | Reply

Danforth, I completely agree with you.

It's a lie to sell this bill as something it's not.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-23 12:39 PM | Reply

Wherever you have to go to get the truth that the liberal media isnt reporting.

#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Can you post a picture, please?

I want to know what the quintessential rube looks like.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-23 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I want to know what the quintessential rube looks like.

I dont have a picture of Pinch.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 12:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Pinch is a die hard Trump supporter?

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2017-12-23 01:19 PM | Reply

Isn't almost everything temporary?

Posted by eberly at 2017-12-23 12:23 PM | Reply

Not conservative stupidity.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-23 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not conservative stupidity. POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2017-12-23 01:29 PM |

ROFLMMFAO doo dee doo deee dooo deee. #4 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2017-12-09 12:21 PM

Presented without further comment.

#21 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2017-12-23 02:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I dont have a picture of Pinch.

#18 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Here's a recent picture of me ... 4.bp.blogspot.com

#22 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"The gal on the bottom is getting $2.60 a week. The guy at the top is getting $7000 a week. And we're borrowing ALL OF IT to do this."

That's what has me concerned. I ran one of the tax calculators, and I'm going to get a pretty decent cut. But I'd prefer to keep the same rates if the end result is going to be more borrowing.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-23 06:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Herman Cain is on par with commercial grade toilet paper and just as thin.

#24 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2017-12-23 08:13 PM | Reply

Go ahead and attack the source, but even the Atlantic reluctantly admits that a vast majority of Americans will get a tax cut:

Most Americans will save money under the tax bill that the Senate passed Tuesday night and the House passed Wednesday. The size of that benefit varies, but 80 percent of households will see some benefit in 2018.
It's not just that a plurality of respondents in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll say the cuts are a bad idea (41-24, with 35 percent unsure or holding no opinion), or might have bad long-term effects. It's that only 17 percent actually believe they'll get a break. That result is in line with other polls that have shown similar skepticism about receiving any benefit.

So why is a tax cut that benefits 80% of Americans so misunderstood? Senator McConnell griped at reporters Tuesday night, "Your job is to use the Democrats' talking points. I understand that." Coverage of the bill has been negative -- Fareed Zakaria called it "possibly the worst piece of major legislation in a generation" -- but while that can't help, placing the blame entirely on the press overestimates its influence.

A more likely factor is that many people don't understand the bill very well. Compared to other legislation of similar scope, including previous changes to the tax code, this bill moved through Congress at a breakneck pace. That was a political calculation, in two ways: First, Republicans were eager to notch a legislative victory before the end of the year, after a chaotic and frustrating 2017, and they wanted to meet Trump's deadline for a tax cut before the end of the year. Second, GOP leaders figured that moving the legislation quickly would make it hard for the bill's opponents to rally against the bill.

Though Democrats could not stop the bill, their messaging, much maligned in recent months, won the day. They were successfully able to convince the public that the bill was geared toward giving corporations a huge, permanent tax cut, while giving individuals only a temporary one; and that the benefits of the bill would accrue overwhelmingly to wealthy taxpayers. In the NBC/WSJ poll, respondents were correctly able to say that wealthy Americans and corporations would pay lower taxes, but pluralities believed the Democrats talking points that both their own families and middle-class families in general would actually pay more.

Why Don't Most Americans Realize They're Getting Tax Cuts for Christmas?

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here's a recent picture of me

Why is that dog pooping on your picture?

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 09:31 PM | Reply

Why is that dog pooping on your picture?

#26 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Because everyone here knows I'm a big Trump fan.

Go back to reading Tiger Beat, doofus.

#27 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the NBC/WSJ poll, respondents were correctly able to say that wealthy Americans and corporations would pay lower taxes, but pluralities believed the Democrats talking points that both their own families and middle-class families in general would actually pay more.

Why Don't Most Americans Realize They're Getting Tax Cuts for Christmas?

#25 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Why are you whining about this?

It was the same thing when Obama cut taxes. And I don't remember you ever leading the charge over everyone agreeing thay Obama had indeed cut everyone's taxes.

#28 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 09:42 PM | Reply

It was the same thing when Obama cut taxes.

If you are recycling that old talking point about Obama lowering withholding rates so that people kept an extra $65/mo in their paychecks before the 2010 midterms, then you are right, most economists agree that wasn't really a tax cut, since rates were not altered, just federal collections.

If you are talking about Obama making the Bush 2003 tax cuts permanent for everyone but the top earners, then I guess you can say he "cut" taxes, just as President Harris will do in 2026.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 09:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you are recycling that old talking point about Obama lowering withholding rates so that people kept an extra $65/mo in their paychecks before the 2010 midterms, then you are right, most economists agree that wasn't really a tax cut, since rates were not altered, just federal collections.

If you are talking about Obama making the Bush 2003 tax cuts permanent for everyone but the top earners, then I guess you can say he "cut" taxes, just as President Harris will do in 2026.

#29 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

blah, blah, blah

Nothing is permanent. Whatever paper Congress wipes their asses with and legislates into law, can just as easily be changed later by Congress.

You're as dishonest as Andrea Mackris.

#30 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 10:02 PM | Reply

#30

Enjoy your tax cuts

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 10:04 PM | Reply

Regardless,

There is good news about these tax cuts, but because of the media slant, the mainstream liberal media isnt reporting because it would make Trump look good.

And that's the shame.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2017-12-23 10:12 PM | Reply

'the debt' angle, formerly a soundbite of the GOTLP, is not to win it for the Dems. we need a message of 'sea change.' ...like Bernie did. harping on "but the debt," ain't going to cut much mustard.

and dump the electoral college.

#33 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-23 10:15 PM | Reply

#32 i've great [accurate] coverage on the left for a week of what EVERYBODY will get.

Happy Chanukah.

#34 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-23 10:17 PM | Reply

seen, i've seen......

#35 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-23 10:18 PM | Reply

oops, Chanukah's over.

Merry Christmas!

#36 | Posted by ichiro at 2017-12-23 10:21 PM | Reply

#30

Enjoy your tax cuts

#31 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Enjoy your blind partisan ignorance, moron ...

Poll Reveals Most Americans Don't Know They Got a Tax Cut

www.cbsnews.com

CBS NEWS February 12, 2010, 1:18 PM

Here's the poll question: "In general, do you think the Obama Administration has increased taxes for most Americans, decreased taxes for most Americans or have they kept taxes the same for most Americans?"

The answer:
• 24 percent of respondents said they INCREASED taxes.
• 53 percent said they kept taxes the same
• And 12 percent said taxes were decreased.

Of people who support the grassroots, "Tea Party" movement, only 2 percent think taxes have been decreased, 46 percent say taxes are the same, and a whopping 44 percent say they believe taxes have gone up.


I've posted this link on this website, oh, I dunno, about a thousand times.

Go back to what you do best, reading Hollywood gossip in Tiger Beat.

#37 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-23 10:35 PM | Reply

"There is good news about these tax cuts, but because of the media slant, the mainstream liberal media isnt reporting because it would make Trump look good."

It's not "mainstream liberal media", it's math.

Speaking of math, where's yours? You keep suggesting this bill is great, but can't seem to back it up with anything other than your opinion. Meanwhile, every analysis--even Republican ones--say this is going to blow an even larger hole in the deficit, and you're going to get the short end.

If you wouldn't be willing to borrow $24,000 for a family of four, all to get $100 per month, you shouldn't like this bill.

#38 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-23 10:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#38 Good point. Per capita debt is going up bigly in exchange for a pittance. Only the 1% benefit from this bill.

#39 | Posted by bored at 2017-12-23 11:06 PM | Reply

"but pluralities believed the Democrats talking points that both their own families and middle-class families in general would actually pay more."

75k on two W-2s with two kids middle class or 450k salary stock options profit sharing and supplemental business income with two kids middle class?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-23 11:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37

This is what ARRA did on tax cuts and credits, which is what your CBS article is referring to:

ARRA stimulated demand by allocating $260 billion to families. They received the funds through withholding reductions, tax credits and unemployment benefits. Most of the funds were delivered in the first two years.

Lower taxes deducted from paychecks by $400 for individuals and $800 for families through reduction of withholding. That confused many people who expected checks like the Bush Tax Cuts.

A payment of an additional $250 each to recipients of Social Security, veterans pension and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits.

$70 billion to extend the Alternative Minimum Tax shelter. Congress extends it each year.

Greater access to the child tax credit for the working poor and an expanded earned-income tax credit to families with three children.

A $2,500 college tuition tax credit for 2009 and 2010.

An $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers in 2009 only. (It was later extended through April 2010.)

A deduction of sales tax on new car purchases through 2009 only.

Unemployment benefits were extended for another 33 weeks.

A suspension of taxes on the first $2,400 of unemployment benefits through 2009.

The reason that the CBS poll found that people didn't realize that they had gotten a "tax cut" is that it came to $32.50 per paycheck.

Partisan ignorance indeed.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2017-12-23 11:37 PM | Reply

"$32.50 per paycheck"

How much is the Trump one?

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-24 01:13 AM | Reply

"The reason that the CBS poll found that people didn't realize that they had gotten a "tax cut" is that it came to $32.50 per paycheck."

If the average family of four is getting an additional $100 a month, wouldn't that work out to roughly $25 per paycheck?

Two wage earners, paid bi-monthly.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-24 01:20 AM | Reply

47% of Americans don't pay taxes - The GOP

80% of Americans will receive tax cut - Also the GOP.

#44 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-12-24 08:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"herman Cain?"

Puhleeeeeze!

#45 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-24 08:25 AM | Reply

999999999999!

#46 | Posted by danni at 2017-12-24 08:26 AM | Reply

The reason that the CBS poll found that people didn't realize that they had gotten a "tax cut" is that it came to $32.50 per paycheck.

#41 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The reason people didn't know Obama cut their taxes has everything to do with ...

- the tax cut didn't come with a paper check
- right-wing media entertainment complex
- people are generally uninformed and not too bright

Add to the above the always rising costs of everything in America, especially healthcare, and it's no wonder people didn't know Obama cut their taxes.

Obama cut taxes on 95% of all Americans -- in some way, shape, or form, it is irrefutable that Obama cut taxes, so arguing over the detailed minutiae is totally moot.

And now in 2017, Trumpers and Republican partisan hacks are whining that people are not believing that Trump is cutting their taxes -- CHUTZPAH!!!!

GTFOOH -- Cry me a river.

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2017-12-24 08:41 AM | Reply

"Obama cut taxes on 95% of all Americans -- in some way, shape, or form, it is irrefutable that Obama cut taxes, so arguing over the detailed minutiae is totally moot."

Which 5% didn't obama cut taxes for?

#48 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-24 09:59 AM | Reply

"Nothing is permanent."

-pinch

See, Pinch said it too.

#49 | Posted by eberly at 2017-12-24 10:04 AM | Reply

Which 5% didn't obama cut taxes for?

#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Single people who earn more than $200K and couples earning more than $250K
www.politifact.com

#50 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2017-12-24 11:47 AM | Reply

"Nothing is permanent."

My bad, I didn't realize this was a climate change thread.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-24 12:19 PM | Reply

Alexa, which 5% didn't obama cut taxes for?
#48 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2017-12-24 12:27 PM | Reply

47% of Americans don't pay taxes - The GOP
80% of Americans will receive tax cut - Also the GOP.

#44 | POSTED BY JOHNNY_HOTSAUCE

It's the return of fuzzy math!

m.youtube.com

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2017-12-24 12:34 PM | Reply

"Only the 1% benefit from this bill."

Not really. They're more on the hook for new debt than the rest of us are.

#54 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-24 12:42 PM | Reply

"They're more on the hook for new debt than the rest of us are"

Nonsense. There's no way the 1 percent will be paying 82 percent back. Not even close.

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-24 09:11 PM | Reply

"Nonsense. There's no way the 1 percent will be paying 82 percent back. Not even close."

Really?

You think they're going to increase taxes/cut bennies for the the bottom half of taxpayers?

#56 | Posted by madbomber at 2017-12-25 12:18 PM | Reply

"You think they're going to increase taxes/cut bennies for the the bottom half of taxpayers?"

Rubio stated as much.
www.fa-mag.com

Ryan pledged as much.
thehill.com

Haven't you been paying attention?

#57 | Posted by Danforth at 2017-12-25 12:50 PM | Reply

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